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So we all agree that its true.
Is this picture of multiculturalism in the E. U. offensive or true?
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Xper 6 Age: 27 , mho 44%+1 yI don't know. I couldn't tell you much about. Multiculturalism in the European Union as I'm not too up to date about it. I wonder how many of the people who post here are actually educated about multiculturalism in the European Union, and not just going off of how it's depicted in the states.
From what I can remember, there were oppressed communities in England. Oppressed Muslim communities who then turned everything to shit. For instance, some would throw bricks at cars who weren't driven by muslims if they drove through their area. If anything, some cannot be controlled and it just subjugates races as a whole based on certain terror groups. I'm not certain whether it's true or offensive. Perhaps it's both?11 Reply- +1 y
Then there's the Rotherham rape scandals and all the others too
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766 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Because it can't be truthful and offensive at the same time?
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647 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. This is propaganda. And ukip propaganda at that smh.
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Was the Rotherham gang rapes and the other rape scandals in Britain UKIP propaganda. The picture is pretty accurate to what happened.
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Not in the disproportionate numbers
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That's a disproportionate amount and if you consider the Rotherham rapists and others were ignored for years...
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The Muslim population of the uk is only 4% and yet you say 12% are arrested every year.
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Yes the liberal politicians
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You're a special kind of stupid aren't you? Let me spell it out for you. Out of all the men arrested for sex crimes (that's 100% of men arrested... ok? Got that? That is 100% of men currently in prison - nothing to do with anyone outside of prison) ONLY 12% of those men arrested for sex crimes identify as Muslim. (Which is not a race). If you're going to argue about disproportionate numbers why don't you actually read the information first?
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What's race got to do with it. It's a cultural thing.
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88%of those caught and convicted
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Wait you said 12% are muslims and the other 88% are white men. Obviously your making these figures up as you don't take into account other groups and races. Also how many of those white men are muslims.
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Yes, nobody commits rape except those evil, evil muslims!
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In gangs of 10+ . Gang rape?
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You didn't learn your Newspeak! BAD! VERY BAD.
Evil Muslims rape, white Christians do surprise sex or force a girl for her own good because she says no but in their reality she wants to have sex nevertheless.
www.theguardian.com/.../oral-sex-rape-ruling-tulsa-oklahoma-alcohol-consent
When a white girl accuses a Muslim (or a N~~~~) of rape, it's ALWAYS TRUE.
When a white girl accuses a white guy of rape, it's ALWAYS a LIE.
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@jacquesvol 2 witnesses literally had to pull a half naked guy off an inconscious girl? Well, we can't lock him up for too long, that would hurt his future!
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Yeah in England hundreds of young underage girls were ignored for years as hundreds muslim men were allowed to roam free and continue to gang rape. I can't think of any other religion or culture where it's normal for gangs of men who are fathers, sons, brothers, cousins, uncles, nephews to go out together and rape young girls. As usual liberals believe a woman should always be believed as long as the perpetrator isn't muslim in which case she must be lying.
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In western culture, we encourage rape more subtly. You just have to look at your nearest rom-com.
It's considered hilarious to see a man stalk and aggressively invade a woman's space. - +1 y
As Mr T said "Just grab 'm by the pussy!"
In colorado too they understood the message: www.nydailynews.com/.../...-time-article-1.2747224
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@jacquesvol yep I'm a Muslim country after seeing a woman getting raped those witnesses would join in
Rom coms really condition groups of men to pray on women - +1 y
Not exactly sure of what you're saying, try writing better.
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Of which only 4 suspects were actually found guilty of anything, and only 68 were identified.
To say all of them were muslim is confirmation bias. - +1 y
I'm am only biased about the facts.
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Pinning 2000 crimes on 68 people is not very logical, now is it?
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68 that were caught. Just look at the Rotherham sex rings in England by muslims that had been born there mostly. You can't tell me it's normal in any society for groups of men to go on gang raping sprees? Germany is probably the most liberal country in Europe and yet time and again German women are reporting sexual harassments and rapes and the German government does their best to cover it up.
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Yes, and because only 68 were caught we can't tell anything about the others. Saying they're muslims is a baseless acusation.
In western society it's pretty common for men to yell obscenities at women, at very young girls even. You think that's not encouraging rape? - +1 y
It's pretty common in Britain for Muslim men to yell obscenities at women they see walking in the street or to follow them around.
Most weren't caught but we're identified as middle eastern or North African. Your political correctness makes you biased against the truth - +1 y
No, it's your racism that makes you biased against the truth. Again, "most" were identified. "Most" in this case means nothing, because we don't know how many perpetrators could have been. We don't know if the witnesses themselves were racists like you. They could have lied.
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Not true women in the West are free to do as they will. In the middle east I'd a woman steps outside her home unescorted by a male relative she is likely to get gang raped before she makes it back home. Is Islam a race?
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The problem you have is not with Islam, you have a problem with people with a different color of skin. Cause if one of your white neighbors is a muslim, you're going to assume they're christian.
Women in the west are free to do as they will? Yeah, like, get abortions... oh wait, they don't get to do that, or have the same wages as men... oh right, they don't, or to walk around without being violently harassed... oh right, they do get violently harassed. - +1 y
Actually they get to do all that in fact we have laws that guarantee a woman working the same job as a man gets paid the same of course if she takes a job that pays less or doesn’t work the same hours or overtime she will be paid less. In most countries except Ireland she can have an abortion though in most countries she has to pay for it herself. The only countries at the moment we're women are violently harassed and sexually assaulted in the street are countries with considerable muslim populations that cannot or will not assimilate or respect the laws of culture of that country. A favourite muslim tactic in the West is to single out a female in the street, in a nightclub or in a swimming pool and surround her and close in on her friendly and playful at first but then they start grouping and shoving their fingers into the vagina and anus. Women are speaking out about this all over Europe in some of the most liberals countries in the world but authorities are too pc to do anything.
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Rape may be part of their culture but we shouldn't accept it in ours.
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https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca6_1375246828
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www.dailykos.com/.../-Military-child-sexual-abuse-and-rape-what-the-Pentagon-does-not-want-you-to-know
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www.washingtonpost.com/.../outrage-in-japan-as-american-arrested-in-connection-with-death-of-woman-on-okinawa
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The firest is a unproven allegation made by Americas enemies. Having been there is can tell you we were told to ignore muslim men raping young orphan boys as it's a normal part of their culture and both the foreign fighters and Iraqi and afganistani security services saw nothing wrong in raping a woman who was left alone in her home.
pamelageller.com/.../
www.google.co.uk/.../?client=ms-android-samsung
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...gian-asylum-centre.html
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All that with jolly American participation
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@jacquesvol nah just the Political correctness of appeasement when it comes to muslims raping and blowing shit up. Brussels is the terrorism Capital of Europe.
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@Iraqveteran666 I know Muslims and I know Brussels, I meet them daily. We're not afraid.
The Terrorism Capital of the World is the Pentagon, in Arlington:
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@jacquesvol funny because that's not what other Europeans tell me in France, Germany, Italy. They tell me they will make their voices heard in the upcoming elections.
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Of course, if you only know only the extreme right...
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@jacquesvol actually these people are socialists mostly especially in Italy, Greece and Germany. Yes national front in France is on the right, then there is UKIP in Britain. Left and right wing parties united in their hatred of the EU and wanting to prevent the tidal wave of muslims coming.
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You just keep describing things western men do all the time and ascribing them to muslims.
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You mean gang raping women in the streets?
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No, we just go to bars, assault drunk women and pretend it's their fault.
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And judges then say "Booh , you're a bad boy but because you're good at sports it was her fault!"
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@jacquesvol Not to mention all those times when "It's not really rape if your boyfriend/husband" did it.
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Yeah that's the same as a woman being raped in broad daylight by 20 different men. I can't believe you guys are so Politically correct you sweep muslim gang rape under the carpet as part of their culture.
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Rape is only terrible if it happens in broad daylight. If it happens indoor, without multiple men involved, and the rapist is someone the victim knows, then I guess it's not that bad right?
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I see your pov: "Christian rape is a misunderstanding, Muslim rape is a crime"? - +1 y
A woman violently raped by a hundred different men will need medical treatment and stitches as we saw during the Arab spring. Only muslims in European countries can get away with rape.
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Christians in the US too get away with rape Brock Turner and Wilkerson are just examples
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@jacquesvol Thone rapes were doubtful. Choosing to ignorant on the matter of muslim gang rapes is what will leave Belgium as the last country in the EU.
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Fortunately the immigrants from muslim countries in America have been able to assimilate but then we only take in the best.
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hundreds of young underage boys were ignored for years as hundreds Roman catholic priests were allowed to roam free and continue to rape. The worst the got was becoming missionaries so they could rape boys in other continents.
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Doubtful? Two people had to pull Brock Turner off his victim.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o21fXqguD7U
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@Iraqveteran666 THis happened in America:
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q2294599-why-did-he-force-me-to-have-sex - +1 y
@jacquesvol it was hundreds of Catholic priests it was thousands and the same can be said about any organisation or religion that has dealings with children from the boyscouts, brownies, schools, mental homes everywhere. I'm sure there instances in your country of such things but that is the past and currently there is a massive problem within the Muslim community.
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In my country a bishop confessed it on television and had to retire.
www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...11apr14-story.html
NO, he is not Muslim, he's Roman Catholic. - +1 y
Rape and pedophilia are BIG problems but call out all those who do/did it, don't single out Muslims.
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@Iraqveteran666
Yeah, that's the point genius.
I'm not saying they're better than us. I'm saying, we're not better than them. - +1 y
@jacquesvol i am calling them out. I'm calling those out who are currently doing it in large numbers disproportionate to their demographics.
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Why are you not calling out the rape culture that is highly pervasive in the west then?
Or does it only count as rape if a brown person does it? - +1 y
Because it's disappeared. Can you not stand with muslim women?
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Hardly. As I mentioned earlier, harassment is considered hilarious, or "just a compliment".
The victim is blamed most of the time, directly or indirectly. And most people accused of rape don't spend a single day in jail.
All of these things and more I can mention happen in western culture. Every day.
I don't have to stand with muslim women, because muslim women stand perfectly well for themselves. I'm willing to bet you don't know anything about feminist activists in the middle east, because you only use muslim women as a vehicle for your racist views and stop caring about them as soon as they don't serve your agenda. - +1 y
Muslim feminists speak our for themselves in the middle east despite the attacks and gang rapes. Also Islam is a religion not a race.
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@Irqveteran666 *alleged* crimes of which 95% pulled out of their ass by anonymous readers on anti Islam or tabloid sites.
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@jacquesvol www.BBC.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13777308
You mean the BBC? - +1 y
A 6 yr old story, about a crime whose perpetrators were caught and executed. A bit stale, isn't it?
That Belgian RC bishop who confessed on television is still free and in Belgium. - +1 y
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In Tulsa (OK) the Court doesn't complicate it with old idea like ethics. "Oklahoma court: oral sex is not rape if victim is unconscious from drinking": www.theguardian.com/.../oral-sex-rape-ruling-tulsa-oklahoma-alcohol-consent
You're gonna say that judge must be a Muslim, I suppose? - +1 y
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Except your problem clearly isn't with islam, it's with race. You would never assume your white neighbor is muslim. You'd assume they're christian. - +1 y
@jacquesvol well I'm not shocked about Belgium bishop being free after all Brussels is the 2nd city for paedophiles in Europe.
Anyhow I will just say that holding rapists and peadophilles up to different standards due to race due to political correctness is racist. - +1 y
Is Brussels? I'd rather say Charleroi. And the country Czechia
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And don't forget Thailand and the Latin American countries 'caring' for American pedophiles.
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@jacquesvol also caring for Belgium paedophiles and Eurocrats
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Are you an expert on pedophilia or do you only pretend to be one?
I admit that I only know what I read in the medias but I have a good memory for facts. - +1 y
@jacquesvol look on the left hand side of the picture and you see two politicians one a liberal Democrat and the other labor telling nicely not to be racist.
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what's the reality value of a cartoon?
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@jacquesvol Rotherham.
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You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. - +1 y
It's what inspired the cartoon
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@Iraqveteran666 My wife and I went to Turkey , Palestine, Egypt, Tunisia , Morocco. She often went out alone, without being annoyed. Some of these trips happened 30 years ago, others only 10 years ago. Different moments, countries and ages thus.
But we weren't there during moments of civil unrest. - +1 y
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What inspired this cartoon was a 6 year old case that's already done in every sense of the word? - +1 y
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"The first is a unproven allegation made by Americas enemies."
This one got caught:
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The case is still on going. There are hundreds of muslim men still awaiting prosecution
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@jacquesvol if that had been Iraqi soldier what would have happened is that it would have swept under the rug and either the soldier married her or she would have been beaten to death for dishonoring her family.
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Yeah, hundreds of men, most of which will certainly will be found not guilty. - +1 y
Or guilty. Why do you approve of gang rape?
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If they could only even identify 68 out of 2000, what makes you think they're going to be able to get hundreds in jail?
Why do you approve of rape culture and continue to blame it all on brown people? - +1 y
Now your just being racist.
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"No, you're the real racist for calling out racist behaviour in others!"
That's some pretty good goebbelian rhetoric you got there. - +1 y
Treating rapists different due to the color of their skin is racism.
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Which is exactly what you're doing. Muslims are all rapists, no questions asked. American soldiers are all perfectly fine though, no questions asked either. - +1 y
Sexual abuse in Pakistan is rife. An estimated four million children in the country are forced into work from an early age due to poverty and of those, more than a million live on the streets where they are easy prey for men like Ijaz.
A recent survey of 1,800 men found that a third believe that not only is raping little boys not a crime, it's not even a bad thing to do.
As a result, an estimated 90 per cent of street children have been victims of sexual abuse at some point in their lives.
Shall you speak up now?
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Sexual abuse is rife worldwide. - +1 y
@jacquesvol but more prevalent in the muslim world as they are where we were in the 1900's
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@Iraqveteran666 How about American colleges? Or the US Army?
Or some US states?
media.vocativ.com/.../MaritalRapeMap106241284.gif
www.vocativ.com/.../
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@jacquesvol how about those women being free to report those rapes without fear of retribution from their families or intimidation from police. A woman reports rape in a Muslim country and her family may disown or kill her. Are women in muslim countries free to report rapes and sexual harassment the answer is no. In muslim communitit's Sharia law is enforced even if nothe legal by the law of the land.
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Victim blaming happens in the west too. First at home, then by cops, then by the rapist 's lawyer, sometimes even by the judge: www.independent.co.uk/.../...ogether-a7122176.html
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@jacquesvol which results in acid being thrown in the victims face because they reported it?
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@Iraqveran Acid throwing happens in the 'civilized' west too: abcnews.go.com/.../story?id=11564181
www.breitbart.com/.../
If you understand French (I guess you don't) I can get you more. - +1 y
@jacquesvol for being raped or for leaving your husband?
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@Iraqveteran666 You're the one generalizing about Muslims on hearsay, without bringing elements.
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@jacquesvol women's rights groups in muslim countries report away but you ignore their plight because political correctness tells you only white men can be bad.
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I highly respect all feminist groups, but thinking rape is only an issue in the middle east is racist, classist and sexist. - +1 y
@Iraqveteran666 Read these, if you think rape is a problem tied to Muslims and Islam :
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www.huffingtonpost.com/.../...study_n_6445510.html
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Europe.newsweek.com/campus-rapists-and-semantics-297463
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www.hrw.org/.../witness-raped-us-military-retaliated-against-life
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https://www.arlingtonwestsantamonica.org/MST.html
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@jacquesvol how do you get a statistic in countries where women aren't free to report rape?
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You think women are free to report rape in the US? - +1 y
Well they don't get stoned to death or thrown out into the street.
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@Iraqveteran666
They get thrown out into the street plenty of times. If your boss assaults you and you report him, you think he's going to let you keep your job? - +1 y
fivethirtyeight.com/.../
Would it be different in some corp? I know of one case where the victim was fired , just for contacting HRD about it. - +1 y
Are you kidding bosses are walking on egg shells in case of a sexual harassment lawsuit. My last firm settled straight away a sexual harassment suit against a manager and gave the woman a promotion in a different department even though her case was flimsy. Sexual harassment cases are what lawyers here live for and it's always easy to paint some middle aged white guys as a rapist.
It was the same situation when I was at college, if you see a passed out chick who drank too much you walked passed her and if your dating a girl or hooking up be sure to keep all messages and social media messages as you may need to produce them in a court of law in case of false rape claims. - +1 y
@Iraqveteran666
Your experiences are anectoditcal evidence at best.
Statistically, the vast majority of rape accusations end nowhere because the accused doesn't even spend a day in jail. - +1 y
*anecdotical
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@Iraqveteran666
"Yes national front in France is on the right, then there is UKIP in Britain. "
You just proved you don't know the difference between rightists and rightist extremists. - +1 y
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What are you trying to say with that? That women have it tough in the middle east? That's true, they lead very dangerous lives.
You know who else does that? Women. All. Over. The. World. - +1 y
See now your just being ignorant to the plight of muslim women probably because your racist.
@jacquesvol because they reject the E. U they must be right wing extremists
https://youtu.be/SJzRa7HWVqs - +1 y
@Iraqveteran666 It's NOT about being against the E. U. They show they're right wing extremists by their hate of foreigners, their xenophobia.
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@jacquesvol in your opinion. I don't see what's wrong in political parties wanting to put their own citizens first.
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@Iraqveteran666
Sure, like Trump , shouting "America First", but exporting jobs to Mexico and China.
Here's his theory:
https://i.imgur.com/JUr01eO.png
And he applies it:
https://i.imgur.com/s4TqMVl.jpg
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I am not minimizing their struggle. It's certainly great.
You, however, are minimizing the struggle of western feminists. - +1 y
You are underestimating how far we've come and disregarding the fact that the muslim countries in the middle east treat women and homosexuals in a medieval fashion for the sake of political correctness which is racist, sexist, homophobic and islamaphobic.
@jacquesvol imagine that a buisness man outsourcing so he can compete in a competitive industry, not everyone lives at the centre of the gravy train EU where when funds are short rather than economise in a recession you bill citizens more. - +1 y
Iraqveteran666 I don't think you read the endless anti women rants on GaG
I don't think you know what some conservatives would like to do with LGTBQ people.
Just read: "A California Lawyer Wants to Put Gays to Death. Why Isn't the Attorney General Ignoring Him?"
newrepublic.com/.../california-sodomite-suppression-act-proposes-death-penalty-gays
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@jacquesvol 1 California lawyer wants to put gays to death but 1 Florida muslim resident decided to put 50 to death not to mention all the out gay men that throw out gay men off rooftops while 1in3 pakistani muslims believe there's nothing wrong with sodomising young homeless boys.
Endless sexist ranting is different from preventing your wife from leaving the home and beating her. I don't see why you as a liberal can't see a difference between a hundred years of progress in the West and the medevil regressive muslim world. - +1 y
The dreamworld adepts of patriarchy describe is close to the life in 3d. World families.
Most Muslims live in the 3d. World.
Your attacks on Muslims are attacks on 3. World way of life. Think about it.
You could write the same about RC Africans or RC South Americans.
But because the west started wars in Muslim countries decades ago, you'll find more propaganda against Muslims.
Some Americans have a bad memory. Read this: "Why Do So Many Americans Fear Muslims? Decades of Denial About America’s Role in the World.": theintercept.com/.../ - +1 y
@jacquesvol you mean our attacks, if what we are doing is wrong you must accept responsibility for your countries part, responsibility as a voter and responsibility for enjoying the fruits of what you imagine to be the exploitation of the Middle East and the third world (your coffee, your car, your heating, your sneakers etc).
Actually the British, French and Belgian started war in the middle east by arming the Arabs to overthrow the Turks and then after the first world drawing up boarders for new countries regardless of history and tribal identity. Most third world countries problems can be traced right back to Europe and their colonial days Britain, Spain, Portugal, France, Germany, Italy, Holland, Denmark. Even the Belgians were in on it and the effects are still felt in the Congo and Rwanda.
www.BBC.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25299553
Perhaps the EU needs to start making reparation payments. - +1 y
Iraqveteran666
Belgium wasn't involved in the British inspired 1915 Arab rebellion against the Grande Porte, nor was it involved in the EBritish-French Pykes-Sicot agreement, which messed up the Near East. - +1 y
That doesn't diminish the fact that the US started harassing militarily Muslim countries under Carter and Reagan.
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@jacquesvol so Belgium was part of the central powers in ww1?
Russia and America we're fighting proxy wars on nearly every continent. You should be great full it was the communist regime that collapsed. - +1 y
Those mean Communists stayed in Russia without invading (or trying to) Europe since 1919.
The western countries found it necessary to send armies deep into Russia when their October revolution started.
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@jacquesvol well in 1919 they were to busy oppressing any other socialist group with differing political beliefs and starving and killing their own people.
The 1919 intervention worked out well for Finland, Poland, Lithuania, Estonia who gained their independence until the communists launched a surprise invasion in 1939 after a deal with Hitler.
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@Iraqveteran666
I was about to argue with you about the Soviet Union, but then I realized I have no power against your Hollywood statistics and "facts" taken from Nazi propaganda.
//sarcasm. - +1 y
Russian Communists were only taking back what Russia had lost. Anyhow, concerning Poland, it was invaded by Germans *before* the red Army entered to stop the German advance. Didn't you read about the false flag Gleiwitz incident? Really?
Later the US propaganda told the same about Afghanistan: they told the world Afghanistan was invaded by the USSR while the USSR had been asked by the Afghan govt to help it against the US armed mujahedeen. Brzezinski boasted about it. - +1 y
Lol I don't think any Nazi or communist wants to admit that Hitler got into bed with Stalin.
The Russian civil war wasn't just fought between the reds vs whites, there was the social democrats in Georgia, the Greens in central Russia, the anarchists (blacks) in the Ukraine and all the various socialists in eastern territories. All crushed by the reds (Russian communists). - +1 y
@Iraqveteran666
Yeah, Stalin had an agreement with Hitler. That's politics, sometimes you have to temporarily side with someone you hate to get somewhere. And as soon as Hitler showed his true colors when he attacked Poland, the deal was off.
Anarchists are too naive. They think revolutions uphold themselves magically, while in truth revolutions have to be uphold by the force of arms. - +1 y
That was the excuse for the allied invasion.
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The German invasion of the USSR was unavoidable.
The USSR had difficult years behind it and the Red Army wasn't 100% ready to fight, thus Stalin bought time. Until Hitler launched his Barbarossa. - +1 y
@jacquesvol and Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and Finland those countries that Russia invaded? "Russia was only taking back what she lost" are you in favour of imperialism?
Again Afghanistan was one battlefield in which the cold war was being fought and we interfered as the communists did in Vietnam when the democratic government of south Vietnam asked us to intervene.
Say what you want it won't change the fact that Russia sold out Poland and western Europe to the Nazis for territory. Without Stalin's help the invasion of Poland, Norway, Denmark, France, Holland and Belgium would not have been possible and Germany would not have gained the resources needed for barbarossa. - +1 y
@jacquesvol The fact that Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania remained free justified the invasion yes. It's a shame Georgia and others could not be saved.
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Finland and the Baltic states sided with Germany and controlled the Baltic Sea and could easily block Russias St Petersburg port, making it land locked in case Germany attacked. On a map it's clear why Stalin invaded Germany's allies:
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Knowing Finland and the Baltic states sided openly with Germany, what would you have done?
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Don't Forget that Finland was a fairly recent creation, after being Swedish, then Russian.
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@Iraqveteran666
Capitalism invades countries to steal their resources, kill their people and appease corporate greed.
We invade countries to set them free from their masters, to end slavery. - +1 y
@Iraqveteran666
"Afghanistan was one battlefield in which the cold war was being fought"
That sentence is a beauty! :D :D - +1 y
@jacquesvol The soviets made a deal with Hitler for Finland and those Baltic countries. The Soviet alliance with the Nazis made barrabrossa possible. Finland did what it had to do after being attacked by an aggressor and being cut off from British aid with the fall of Norway caught between the ambitions of 2 of the biggest mass murders of the 20th century. The soviets had imperial dreams of recapturing all lost.
That's true just look at what Obama and Clinton did in syria. - +1 y
@Iraqveteran666
Yes, Stalin was such a terrible mass murderer that during his government the population of the Soviet Union went from 90 million to 120 million. - +1 y
And yet he killed millions
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@Iraqveteran666
I'm sure you're one of those that thinks that he sent 100 million people to gulags. However, the statistics prove that's impossible. In the early stages of his Government, the USSR didn't even have 100 million people. And in the later stages, 100 million people would be 80% of the population.
So, this means that either:
A) Not that many people were sent to the gulag, in fact much less.
B) People went into the gulag like you would into a regular prison, served their time and then left.
C) Stalin sent 80% of the population of his country to an inescapable death trap, constituting the most stupid act in human history. - +1 y
He killed 20 million people. You got to take into how many people were starved to death in Ukraine and during the collective farming failure.
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@Iraqveteran666
You mean how many people starved to death because of bad weather+wealthy farmers burning their crops instead of collectivizing+World War II?
And the ukrainians had a libertarian uprising, they were enemies of the Soviet Union, of course they were attacked. - +1 y
An uprising in their own country under the Anarchist black banner. You basically are saying that anyone that wasn't communist was their enemy including other socialists.
The immediate effects of forced collectivization were reduced grain output and almost halved livestock numbers, thus creating major famines throughout the USSR during 1932 and 1933. In 1932–1933, an estimated 11 million people, 3–7 million in Ukraine alone,[9] died from famine after Stalin forced the peasants into collectives (Ukrainians call this famine Holodomor). and thousands eyewitness accounts made by the survivors. - +1 y
Anarchists are not socialists. Jeez, how ignorant can you get?
Did you not read my previous response at all?
The petit bourgeouis farmers of Russia, called kulaks, refused to collectivize and instead chose to burn their crops. You think that had no effect? - +1 y
Anarchism is a political philosophy that advocates stateless societies based on non-hierarchical free associations. Anarchism holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, or harmful. While anti-statism is central, some argue that anarchism entails opposing authority or hierarchical organization in the conduct of human relations, including, but not limited to, the state system.[Anarchism as a social movement has regularly endured fluctuations in popularity. Its classical period, which scholars demarcate as from 1860 to 1939, is associated with the working-class movements of the 19th century and the Spanish Civil War-era struggles against fascism.
You keep using the word socialist but don't know the history of socialism or anything about it. Communism is just another form of totalitarian government with the powerful on top enriching themselves while standing on the backs of the people. - +1 y
Main difference between anarchists and communists is, communists believe a period of socialism, where the state exists to equally redistribute resources and protect the country from outsiders is necessary, while anarchists want to go straight to the classless society.
Communism is a classless society where everyone produces according to their skill and receives according to their need. So, in communism, there is nobody to stand on top of anyone.
Do you mean socialism? If so, you are wrong. Socialist countries have consistently fared much better than capitalist ones. Russia was a feudal country with 60% of its population living off agrarian farming. In less than 40 years, it had become a world power who put the first man, woman and animal into space. Cuba was a tiny colony of the US whose only production was sugar and diseases. And today, after 60 years of embargo, Cuba has no infant mortality, 100% literacy rates and 1 college graduate every 30 inhabitants. - +1 y
So anarchists are socialists now? Most countries are socialist especially in Europe and there are many forms of socialism which has its roots among Christian groups in the 1800's
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Iraqveteran666 Finland had been a Russian province until 1919, when Poland, the UK and France decided to tear it off Russia and create an independent country. Germany took part in that deal. It was part of the Brest-Litowsk forced agreement imposed by Germany on Russia.
Remember that Germany lost WW1. It was thus imposed by one of the losers.
(A way to make Germany accept the Versailles Treaty)
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@Iraqveteran666
Anarchists are NOT socialists. Socialism is a form of *government*. Anarchists are against ALL governments.
Good thing I'm the ignorant one on the history of socialism smh.
Socialism as a system was first proposed by Karl Marx in his book Das Kapital, written in the late 19th century. He proposed it as a gateway to communism. Nothing to do with christianity. In fact, Marx called religion the opiate of the people.
Sweden, Norway and the like ARE NOT SOCIALISTS. Socialism is when the workers of a specific type gather together in collectivized factories and such, to produce their craft without a manager or a supervisor to rob them of their work through surplus value. They are social-democratic at best. - +1 y
@Noxifer656
I fear @Iraqveteran666 doesn't want to know the differences. He just fires pot shots at everything that's less rightist than Breitbart and the Tea party. - +1 y
@jacquesvol
Also known as "Mr. Buzzword".
"You damn gynocentric, race-polluting, tree-hugging, communistic, gay, feminazist, cuckolding, gender betraying, leftist, jew pieces of shit!" - +1 y
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_socialism The Finnish people did not want to be ruled by dictators in a totalitarian government and had been part of Sweden before Russia existed, the Finns did not want to remain part of the Russian empire even if it was communist just like a bunch of other Russian held territories that were glad to be free when the communism experiment failed. Why did the Soviet Union collapse because the people did not want it.
You guys are actually in favour of a totalitarian one party state led by a dictator.
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"You damn gynocentric, race-polluting, tree-hugging, communistic, gay, feminazist, cuckolding, gender betraying, leftist, jew pieces of shit!" Please dude I know your racist already because of the way you refuse to treat non-white races equally, I know your antisemitic because of your views on Israel, I already know your homophobic because of how you approve of how gays are thrown off buildings in the middle east, I know you hate women because of how you approve of gang rape of muslim and western women, I know your antisemitic cuckold because you think it's OK for your girlfriend to have sex with other men.
Socialism predates Karl Marx who is responsible more for Marxism and it's branches of socialism (communism). Seriously read up on socialism don't just drink the cool aid of some teacher who's indoctrinating you. If communism was so great Russia and eastern Europe would still be communist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Fourier - +1 y
@Iraqveteran666
So not only are you ignorant, you're also incapable of understand sarcasm. - +1 y
Like a lot of liberals you mask your bigotry with political correctness.
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That's why leftist authorities did nothing about the gang rapes in Rotherham
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Those who did it were arrested and convicted.
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After years of sweeping it under the carpet. Thank God for the papers
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If the cops are slow at doing their job , it's the fault of 'leftists'? Since when are cops 'leftists'?
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Nothing to do with cops but the leftist prosecuters and politicians.
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@Iraqveteran666 that's what tabloids made of it. If you get your information from tabloids I'm no longer wondering.
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