Have an opinion?
Well there is case law that the ring belongs to the giver. So if the engagement breaks up, they would be the rightful owner. If they took the receiver to court, the receiver would be order to return the ring. Failure to do so while in possession of it would constitute contempt of court. If the receiver where to sell the ring or something, it would constitute either theft, or grand theft, depending on the price of the ring. Which would permit the giver to sue for the full cost of the ring, and the state could file charges resulting in between 2-15 years in prison. Depending on which charge is filed, and what state it occurs.You could try your luck, but you know the risks now. 🤷♂️
That sounds like a scary consequence for keeping a ring
Well, some of those rings are extremely expensive. They carry the same criminal charges as stealing a car in some instances.
The engagement ring is sort of a deposit paid to the woman to take her off the market -- it's like earnest money on a house. If the man reneges on his promise then she keeps the ring as compensation for her lost time.If the woman breaks the engagement, behaves badly, or if it's a mutual no-fault breakup, then she should return the ring.
If the ring is very expensive, then in the first case of yours, is the same solution valid?
No idea. I'm not a fan of expensive engagement rings.
I think the ring should be given back. A lot of engagement rings are very expensive and would not be right if a guy was still paying for one long after the relationship has ended. Though I think if it's a fairly long engagement like ten years plus she should be allowed to keep it as a lot of people now live for years together and even have kids and are really all but married in name and the ring is as good as a wedding ring.But if the ring is a family heirloom passed down from his family she should absolutely give it back.
I guess to me it depends on who breaks up the engagement maybe? If the person who bought it does, the other should be able to keep the ring, like a sort of compensation 😂 if the person who receives it breaks it off, they should give the ring back. I guess I consider it as exchanging the ring is like a contract and whoever reneges on the contract - I. e, the relationship or promise to marry - forfeits the ring
Do you think that if the ring is very expensive, the receiver still keeps the right to hold the ring, even if the other one broke things off?
Of course. The cost of the ring is for the buyer to care about, not the receiver, it doesn’t change their entitlement to it in my opinion. Whether it’s a £10 ring from a charity shop or a £5,000 custom made ring, only pay what you’re comfortable losing if you break off the engagement
But people usually don't think of ending things when they're about to propose.
I understand that but I think it’s pretty ridiculous to tell someone you want to end your promise and commitment and then demand the gift you have them to symbolise that promise to be returned. Maybe people don’t want to think about things like that but that’s not really anyone else’s problem than theirs, they should understand what they’re doing.
Okay, thanks for the reply very much :) I agreed with you on the first place, just wanted to see what would your justification be in this case, cause I think it must also depend on the price.
No problem, it was a fun question to think about! 🖤
Why would someone want to keep it anyway? You're wearing the engagement ring your ex gave you, how are you going to explain that to someone new? Also, if you sell it that's a dick move. The owner needs to have it back.
The ring is a symbol of the engagement. It’s saying I take and wear this ring to represent my intent to marry. If the engagement is broken then the engagement ring has lost its purpose. Wanting to keep the ring is just wanting jewelry. You could argue for it’s symbolic meaning as a reason to keep the ring but I find that to be a silly excuse. Keeping the ring as memorabilia (which is the root of nearly all excuses to keep it) isn’t necessary at all. There are a billion and one ways to remember a person. Just give it back it’s not that hard of a decision and it’s nothing you honestly need to keep. You just want to. Just like you probably wanted to get married but sometimes you don’t need to get everything that you want. And keeping it is either just going to pick at the wound every time you look at it or you’ll grow unattached to it completely erasing the reason you kept it in the first place. In my opinion there’s no honorable reason to keep it and as long as you can admit and live with the fact that you honestly just want the jewelry because you like the jewelry and the giver is cool with letting you keep it then whatever. If it was me I’d always give it back.
By tradition, the ring represents a promise to marry, person breaking the engagement gives up their interest in the ring, and the rejected party gets to keep it if they want. This means that if the woman breaks the engagement she returns the ring, and if the man breaks the engagement the woman may keep or sell the ring if she wishes.In more recent times the rule seems to be that the ring should be given back, unless the giver broke the engagement with cruelty, abuse, dishonesty, or infidelity. If the ring is a family heirloom, it should be given back in all cases.
I think it’d be more than fair to return the ring back to the giver... it wasn’t exactly a gift to just be given away; there was a reason for it before giving it to the receiver.. imagine how hard that person must have worked for it and/or if it was possibly an heirloom passed down.. either way, there was a special reason and meaning as to why they were presenting it. If the engagement is canceled, it’s best to return what gave the special meaning as well in the first place.. it’s selfish otherwise to keep it for yourself and loses the special meaning it had..
If engagement rings are given as part of an agreement to marry then the law is quite clear that there is a presumption that this will be a gift. It will not have to be returned if the parties decide not to go through with the wedding.The exception to this is if there is a condition, when the ring is handed over, that it will be returned in the event that the marriage does not go ahead. Such a condition can be expressly stated or implied through conduct. Clear evidence will be needed to rebut the presumption and a judge will not be concerned about the reasons for the engagement failing.
Legally, it has to be given back unless the giver refuses to take it back.This is because an engagement ring is part of, what lawyers call, a "quid pro quo" which is Latin for "this for that". He gave you the ring with the expectation of marriage. If the marriage is off, then the quid pro quo is broken and the ring should be returned.
Well legally I've never heard of? Laws don't stop Siren Women from anything. By the time court came I'd probably accidentally have lost it. So,? Get a pre-pre nuptial agreement I guess.
In most countries I know about it's actually like that by law, the ring is considered a conditional gift. But if we exclude what the law says, do you think it should be given back in absolutely any case?
Sue me ring will be missing by the time court comes? I don't know in the U. S what the law is but don't care about it either way. No real man would ask for his money (ring) back
@Wowgirl10q "Sue me ring will be missing by the time court comes?" You would get sued... then arrested for obstruction of justice and perjury. Then you'll have something you can't lose: a criminal record. "No real man would ask for his money (ring) back" Personally, I would let her keep the ring. However, your attitude will be picked up by any guy over 25 and they will know to stay away from you. You need a bit if growing up and attitude adjustment. This is why no "real man" will marry you until you fix that.
You can't be arrested for not remembering something.
I think your letters cute thank you. I've been married and divorced to a real man your age actually. I get your middle aged alone overweight and angry. A 60 year old on this website God bless you
Don't want to remarry. Love my settlement been to court already. But thank you Sir if you want sometime you could tell me about Vietnam or Tape players
@Wowgirl10q LOL... I am married... happily... because I am competent at being in a relationship so I never needed divorce. If you woukd like to know about Vietnam or tape players, I'd be happy to teach one so young and ignorant... that is, once you grow up become mature. For a 29-year old, you sure come across like a smart-ass middle schooler.
@Wowgirl10q If you had the ring at the moment of engagement termination, et then, under law, you are obligated to return it ASAP. If you then "lose" it, that would be considered as a suspect crime and an investigation starts. If you know where the ring is but claim it is lost, that is obstruction. Meanwhile, your in court for the ring. If you lie in court or under oath, that's felony perjury. If the ring is ever "found", that will be guilt of obstruction and perjury.But it really doesn't matter because, even without the ring, you will be responsible for its value and paying tje guy who gave it to you that full value if not also with added interest and penalties.
I don't know anything. Just a apple pie girl living in a man's world
Your also from a generation who's women were likely not to divorce. We'll meet the millennials we divorce because we are blessed enough to have the option to do so if desired
Settlements over and yeah no rings involved he wasn't worried not a problem. I wasn't ignorant enough to sign a prenuptial agreement though.
Do you no what a dissolving prenuptial is😁 ?
The tradition behind an engagement ring is a bit messed up so lets not go into that. However an engagement ring was a way of saying yes I am committed to so and so. Logically if they become no longer committed then the ring which signifies that is returned to whomever bought it. Simple, effective, emotionless just as it should be when things fall through like that.
What if the person that bought the ring was the one to break up?
doesn't change anything. The point is that the engagement ring signifies a "promise" as it were and if the aforementioned promise can not be met and/or kept then whoever bought the ring gets it back. Does that make it okay? absolutely not but that is how it works. People today don't understand the concept of marriage because divorce is an option making it seem like marriage is something to "try" If I am fortunate enough to find the woman I am going to marry if the words "will you marry me" come out of my mouth and the word "Yes" comes out of hers than I am saying that no matter how bad things get or how sick she gets I will be by her side as husband, father (if we have kids) and man until the days we die. And she is saying now matter how bad things get or how sick I become she will be by my side as wife, mother (if we have kids) and woman until the days we die. That is what marriage originally was there was no religion behind it the base is there for those who look.
In my country there's no such thing as the engagement ring. Not that much protocole. But I feel that I would have no reason to keep a ring of someone I'm not going to marry. I would give back the ring, so that person can use it the next engagement, and I wish them more luck for that time.
Depends how the ring is valued, and how much you need that bank or ring. If you aren't engaged with that person, that ring would be a constant pain in the ass to look at it. So instead of keeping it or trowing it away, bank it or give it back, and let the other part figure it out what to do with it, and sting them a bit by doing so xD.
Yes, it should be given back. It's only right in my opinion since they are no longer getting married and rings can potentially cost a LOT of money. Even if the relationship ended on bad terms, it's still not okay for the receiver to keep the ring or do anything else with it. The person who bought it should get to decide what they want to do with it. If the giver happens to be okay with the receiver keeping it, then that's fine but it should be their choice.
The rule I follow is if the giver called off the engagement or cheated, the receiver gets to keep it.If the receiver calls off the engagement or cheats, they should give the ring back.The courts may see it differently if the ring is valuable and the giver sues to have it returned.
If the ring is a family heirloom absolutely no matter what the circumstances. If the reciever broke off the engagement for whatever reason absolutely.If the giver broke off the engagement, (and this is where it gets tricky) it depends. It is a gift so generally I would say the receiver should keep it but it depends on how the receiver feels, some might feel the process is easier to deal with if the symbolic gesture of giving the ring back finalizes their relationship. If the giver cheated or committed some other grievous act than the receiver should absolutely keep it.
I think it should. The guy spent a lot of money on the ring, and if the engagement is broken then what would you be keeping it for other than for the money? You wouldn't want to keep it as a reminder of the heartbreak, and keeping it to profit from it would be wrong.
The reciever should return the ring. For what ever the reason the enguuagement ended. It didn't end because the two of you were still madly in love wi th each other. So giving the ring back lessens the menories of what once was when your digging through your jewerly box in 20 years looking for something else
The ring, usually either quite expensive, or a family heirloom, is given by him to her to symbolize a promise.If the promise is broken, she has no right to it.It is not a gift in the strict sense. It is the symbol of a binding commitment, that is hers to have and keep conditional to that commitment.Any woman who keeps the ring, ESPECIALLY if she ends the engagement and violates the promise, is a thief.
Oh it depends. I see this a lot and as far as I know it still is this way at least where I live. If the giver breaks the engagement it’s the receivers to keep. If the one receiving it breaks the engagement it’s goes back to the giver. It’s a promise, whoever broke the promise loses out on the ring. Now, it gets tricky here. If you give it on Christmas or their birthday it’s a gift. That’s it, not yours anymore no matter what. I think the birthday/holiday thing kind of sucks for guys/or the giver However, I do agree with the whoever breaks the promise loses their claim on the ring. I think that’s fair.
Ignoring the law, I think the receiver should give it to back to the giver. It's just too mean spirited to not give it back.For the law itself, the ring usually (but not always) is considered a conditional gift. If the condition is not met (getting married), then the ring returns to the giver.
I laugh at how most woman say that you can kept it, and most men say that you have to return it. I have been in this situation. Legally, and morally, it should be given back to the giver. In my case, it was my parents who paid for the ring. I had to fight the guy to give it back to my parents, but it was the right thing to do.
She 100 per cent has to give the ring back. Those things are a small investment and are intended to symbolize a bond and a promise. Once that's broken, it's totally inappropriate to continue wearing the ring. Would you wear your exes engagement ring while you have another man? I'd hope not.Give it back and let him get his money back.
Um, yes... I think legally you have to give it back because an engagement ring is technically a gift with a condition. The condition is marriage. If the condition is not fulfilled, then you have to give it back. I'm pretty sure that's the law actually.
ALWAYS give the ring back, as a symbol of not wanting to pursue the engagement!! SUPER Important, if it is a Family Heirloom Ring, passed down. That ring was offered and accepted for a union. If you choose not to follow through, you must give the ring back!
What if the giver does not follow through and he's the one to break the engagement? Should they still get the ring back?
I would say yes, and why would you want to keep that, if he broke it off? If it is a 'Family Heirloom' it is only Proper, to return the ring.If he just bought something from Jared, and you REALLY HATE him, and he is a D-Bag, maybe it would be ok to keep it, and sell it, and get some money!!Sorry, but some guys can be real A$$holes!!
I hate giving back gifts and I wouldn’t want to give it back but if it belonged to his family in the past then I would return it. A ring passed on for generations or it was his mother’s or grandma’s ring should be returned. I would return it if he makes a huge deal out of it
They should only get to keep it if their partner cheated or betrayed them in an obvious way. But they should always get it back if it was a family heirloom or paid for by someone other than their partner.
If the receiver was the reason behind the engagement ending then they should give it back. If not, the giver should not expect to receive it. If they’re going to mess up everything and expect to get the ring back, they should be ashamed.
I would fucking hope so I spent over 3 grand on this thing, that's almost 2 months of my salary.Granted I have yet to actually pick it up but it's paid for. I keep fucking putting it off I'm too god damn nervous.
It's not about the rings value. First off some people give family heirlooms as engagement rings. These could have emotional value. Second it's like planning to go to a concert for a date, breaking up but keeping the ticket. You don't want the promise but you want the symbol of the promise?
Depends on who ended it. If the giver ended it then no, I don’t feel like the receiver should give it back if they do not want to. If the receiver ended it, then absolutely they should give it back, no question about it.
Technically and legally it is a present and in law you can keep it but common and moral sense is to give it back lol. I have. My wedding/engagement ring I gave it back to my ex. And it was worth a lot $$$$
If you dont give the ring back you're a real piece of workI feel like even if the other person did something wrong it would almost be payback to just leave the ring on their door stepKinda like how rich people get mad if another rich person picks up their bill
Why keep it, it's no good to you. Give it back and let him hock it. No need to be a bitch about it. It's good to split up on good terms if possible … unless the heartless creep cheated on you.
If it was the givers fault (like affairs) then the receiver can keep it and sell it I guess. But if it is mutual or the receiver did something wrong then they should give back the ring.
Depends. If it's a family ring then definitely yes in that case, no matter what. How long have y'all been together? Did he cheat?Because I'm not returning the ring to someone who did me wrong. He can go whore himself and make that money back.
Lol. Why would she keep it? It was a promise to be together and for a future date for them to spend their lives together. Since it's not going to happen, I would return the ring.
well when they take it to court, the judge always says "so it was a gift based on the expectation of marriage. When that didn't take place, the ring should be returned." Greedy ass women have a hard time letting go though. It's effing hilarious. Yeah they're not gold diggers. ;)
It sort of depends but generally yes.If it was an heirloom or a surprise (aka you didn’t pick the ring yourself) always give it back.If you picked it offer it to him.But, if you paid for it, regardless, keep it. It’s yours.
The woman should give it back, or the man, whatever, I mean the engagement is broken, what is the use of keeping it when its owner can benefit of the money?
I wouldn't want a constant reminder of him by keeping the ring. Also he paid for that ring with his hard earned money, I have no reason to keep it.
If it's a symbol of your engagement and it's now broken, it should be returned to the one who bought it.
Obviously you would give it back. Why would a person want to keep it in the first place? Would be a non stop reminder.
There honestly no point of causing trouble with your ex fiancee just give back the ring and move on with your damn life before they take it to court. People if they really want to can go and sue you soooo.
When my ex and I broke up, I gave everything back to him. He didn't want me to but I did it anyways. I explained to him that it felt weird to keep gifts from a guy who claimed to love me but he showed he couldn't give less of a shit about me.
Definitely, why would you anyhow want to keep an engagemen ring from someone you're no longer with and are obviously not going to get married to?
Compensation for the lost time maybe?
I'm a guy, so my perspective on this may be different, but I don't want this Memento because it symbolizes the fact we didn't get married, i. e., the Engagement failed.
It's different from, say, pics from fun trips you took together that will Always be part of your memories.
Keep it girl
I love pissing off men in the morning.
It's not fair to person who gave the ring... You can't break off the engagement and then still keep the ring.
That's true. But what if the engagement was broken by the person that bought the ring?
Well then that's a different case...Cause the one who proposed might want the ring back but the reciever might want to keep it...
DependsIf the receiver want to break up they should give the ring back but if the giver want to break up then Fuck them they shouldn't get their ring back
Depending on how serious the giver is they could take you to court.Engagement rings are a "Promissory/Conditional" gift. If the Promise or condition (marriage) is not met the Giver has every legal right to reclaim it.BUT! The legal fees may not be worth it to the Giver.
You are absolutely correct. In my state, it would be called a gift subject to a condition subsequent. It is a gift given in contemplation of marriage and if the marriage does not occur - for any reason - the recipient has an obligation to return the ring. For most rings, the claim could be brought in summary proceedings (small claims court) where attorneys are not necessary and cases proceed very quickly. Word of caution to guys: That ring for which you paid $5,000 . . . when you try to sell it, you may get $1,500-2,000 maximum.
The ring should always be given back to the person who bought it. Always.If you aren't going to marry a guy, why keep his ring? Just seems tacky and materialistic.
I'm going to be one of the minority here but I don't think the receiver should give back the ring, if the receiver instigated The Break-Up then yes, but if it wasn't her / his fault then I'd promptly tell them no.
The rules have never changed. If the woman breaks it off, she gives the ring back. If the guy breaks it off, she keeps it. The exception is if it is a family heirloom that has been passed down from generation to generation.
Always a must to give back the ring if they did not get married. Especially if it's a family heirloom.
Even if the giver was the one to break up or cheat?
Yes. It's a shitty situation, but still have to give it back.
definitely give the ring back. Its a gift bit the right thing to do is give it back. I have met several women that kind of get engaged and then sell off the ring.
Oh, I dunno... I mean, sure, you can give the ring back and all. But can you give back all the months and years that they took from you? How about that? LMAO
Exactly that's why I'm asking that question, maybe some would count it as compensation for their lost time
Ted my man...
Yes I would counted it as compensation and I still lost I feel. Only way I wouldn't keep it is if it had sentimental value to the person
In most cases I think it should be given back.If you know for fact it wasn't a family heirloom, then I see no problem with keeping it to sell, if the ring giver is the one who broke the engagement.
I was always taught if the giver breaks off the engagement, the receiver can keep (or sell) the ring to help pay for costs incrued (often wedding dresses, etc). However, if the receiver broke it off, they should return the ring.
It should've been given back when you broke it off. Please tell me you talk face to face when breaking off an engagement.
I'd give it back or give back its worth but if he tells me to keep it then I would give all of its money to charity.
Legally they'd probably count it as a gift and not force her to give it back vmbut honestly I believe since she's not interested she should have to give it back
Legally there we are
It is actually law in many US states that an engagement ring is a contract not a jewelry gift. If you break the engagement you void the contract. People can and do sue to get the ring back if it's not given.
If you finance it yes
I don't know about engagements but my grandmother offered some land when he called for a divorce to my mother, he did however declined as he felt that was wrong or at least that is what I am told.
I suppose the ring itself is a gift, and therefore you're technically allowed to keep it, but still, I'd hate that ring and would return it to the giver.
the receiver should definitely offer to give it back.
esp if the receiver broke the engagement
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