That sounds like a scary consequence for keeping a ring
Well, some of those rings are extremely expensive. They carry the same criminal charges as stealing a car in some instances.
If the ring is very expensive, then in the first case of yours, is the same solution valid?
No idea. I'm not a fan of expensive engagement rings.
Do you think that if the ring is very expensive, the receiver still keeps the right to hold the ring, even if the other one broke things off?
Of course. The cost of the ring is for the buyer to care about, not the receiver, it doesn’t change their entitlement to it in my opinion. Whether it’s a £10 ring from a charity shop or a £5,000 custom made ring, only pay what you’re comfortable losing if you break off the engagement
But people usually don't think of ending things when they're about to propose.
I understand that but I think it’s pretty ridiculous to tell someone you want to end your promise and commitment and then demand the gift you have them to symbolise that promise to be returned. Maybe people don’t want to think about things like that but that’s not really anyone else’s problem than theirs, they should understand what they’re doing.
Okay, thanks for the reply very much :) I agreed with you on the first place, just wanted to see what would your justification be in this case, cause I think it must also depend on the price.
No problem, it was a fun question to think about! 🖤
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Well legally I've never heard of? Laws don't stop Siren Women from anything. By the time court came I'd probably accidentally have lost it. So,? Get a pre-pre nuptial agreement I guess.
In most countries I know about it's actually like that by law, the ring is considered a conditional gift. But if we exclude what the law says, do you think it should be given back in absolutely any case?
Sue me ring will be missing by the time court comes? I don't know in the U. S what the law is but don't care about it either way. No real man would ask for his money (ring) back
@Wowgirl10q "Sue me ring will be missing by the time court comes?" You would get sued... then arrested for obstruction of justice and perjury. Then you'll have something you can't lose: a criminal record. "No real man would ask for his money (ring) back" Personally, I would let her keep the ring. However, your attitude will be picked up by any guy over 25 and they will know to stay away from you. You need a bit if growing up and attitude adjustment. This is why no "real man" will marry you until you fix that.
You can't be arrested for not remembering something.
I think your letters cute thank you. I've been married and divorced to a real man your age actually. I get your middle aged alone overweight and angry. A 60 year old on this website God bless you
Don't want to remarry. Love my settlement been to court already. But thank you Sir if you want sometime you could tell me about Vietnam or Tape players
@Wowgirl10q LOL... I am married... happily... because I am competent at being in a relationship so I never needed divorce. If you woukd like to know about Vietnam or tape players, I'd be happy to teach one so young and ignorant... that is, once you grow up become mature. For a 29-year old, you sure come across like a smart-ass middle schooler.
@Wowgirl10q If you had the ring at the moment of engagement termination, et then, under law, you are obligated to return it ASAP. If you then "lose" it, that would be considered as a suspect crime and an investigation starts. If you know where the ring is but claim it is lost, that is obstruction. Meanwhile, your in court for the ring. If you lie in court or under oath, that's felony perjury. If the ring is ever "found", that will be guilt of obstruction and perjury.But it really doesn't matter because, even without the ring, you will be responsible for its value and paying tje guy who gave it to you that full value if not also with added interest and penalties.
I don't know anything. Just a apple pie girl living in a man's world
Your also from a generation who's women were likely not to divorce. We'll meet the millennials we divorce because we are blessed enough to have the option to do so if desired
Settlements over and yeah no rings involved he wasn't worried not a problem. I wasn't ignorant enough to sign a prenuptial agreement though.
Do you no what a dissolving prenuptial is😁 ?
What if the person that bought the ring was the one to break up?
doesn't change anything. The point is that the engagement ring signifies a "promise" as it were and if the aforementioned promise can not be met and/or kept then whoever bought the ring gets it back. Does that make it okay? absolutely not but that is how it works. People today don't understand the concept of marriage because divorce is an option making it seem like marriage is something to "try" If I am fortunate enough to find the woman I am going to marry if the words "will you marry me" come out of my mouth and the word "Yes" comes out of hers than I am saying that no matter how bad things get or how sick she gets I will be by her side as husband, father (if we have kids) and man until the days we die. And she is saying now matter how bad things get or how sick I become she will be by my side as wife, mother (if we have kids) and woman until the days we die. That is what marriage originally was there was no religion behind it the base is there for those who look.
What if the giver does not follow through and he's the one to break the engagement? Should they still get the ring back?
I would say yes, and why would you want to keep that, if he broke it off? If it is a 'Family Heirloom' it is only Proper, to return the ring.If he just bought something from Jared, and you REALLY HATE him, and he is a D-Bag, maybe it would be ok to keep it, and sell it, and get some money!!Sorry, but some guys can be real A$$holes!!
That's true. But what if the engagement was broken by the person that bought the ring?
Well then that's a different case...Cause the one who proposed might want the ring back but the reciever might want to keep it...
Compensation for the lost time maybe?
I'm a guy, so my perspective on this may be different, but I don't want this Memento because it symbolizes the fact we didn't get married, i. e., the Engagement failed.
It's different from, say, pics from fun trips you took together that will Always be part of your memories.
Keep it girl
I love pissing off men in the morning.
Even if the giver was the one to break up or cheat?
Yes. It's a shitty situation, but still have to give it back.
You are absolutely correct. In my state, it would be called a gift subject to a condition subsequent. It is a gift given in contemplation of marriage and if the marriage does not occur - for any reason - the recipient has an obligation to return the ring. For most rings, the claim could be brought in summary proceedings (small claims court) where attorneys are not necessary and cases proceed very quickly. Word of caution to guys: That ring for which you paid $5,000 . . . when you try to sell it, you may get $1,500-2,000 maximum.
esp if the receiver broke the engagement