This I can agree with for a change, except for the last paragraph. If there is a guy YOUR eye draws itself to then stop being an entitled princess and go after him instead, women expecting everything served to them on the silver platter who go around thinking they get to define "real men" are very unattractive too.
Also I find it very weird for women in groups of 3 to be the most approachable. I would never approach a woman if she wasn't alone.
Well then just ignore the last paragraph so we can agree on something for once. LOL
Yes women have the option to approach men if they want to, but it's unrealistic to expect women as a whole to start asking men out when men are biologically designed to take more risks and seek out mates more than women. Personally I don't have to do that because I receive plenty of male attention even from the few guys I've been interested in
Every woman gets to define what a real man is to her the same way every man gets to define what a real woman is to him. As long as you aren't insulting or causing harm to anyone with your definition, it's fine to have your own even if other people don't agree with it
Do you approach women for relationships or sex? Groups of 3 is in a club or bar setting, not everyday life such as walking through a mall or at the grocery store. Women who go to clubs alone receive mainly sexual attention, not men looking for serious relationships
The thing with groups, I find it weird to intrude on someone who is already having a good time, what would the other people do while we talk? Sit around being annoyed? To me being with other people falls into the line of the previous thing you mentioned "looking unavailable", I'd be much more likely to approach someone who is alone simply because I'd assume I'm not intruding on anything important that they are doing. But then again I don't really approach, so maybe I have a different mindset.
As for definitions lol, the thing is they are always going to insult people because by "defining" you make them feel inadequate. Nobody gets to define their "real self" but themselves, you CAN choose to not like their self but I'd state it as a preference. In the grand scheme of things it shouldn't matter who you insult but you can shoot yourself in the foot if you end up insulting their friends and start looking shallow, especially if your definitions are seemingly self-serving.
Hmmmmm... I'd be willing to bet that you just have a different mindset here. When I am with a group of people (I usually go out with 1-3 friends) I am ready to relax, have fun, and meet new people. When I go to a club to dance with my friends, I am most open to guys approaching me because I'm not focused on work, grocery shopping, or wishing I was at home sleeping in my bed. As for the "What are her friends supposed to do?" question, that's why most guys bring a wingman, but my friends and I will either continue with each other or talk to someone else, granted he doesn't just talk to all of us (because when you date a girl, you have to meet her friend group eventually)
I agree that people feel inadequate by definitions, yet people try to define themselves all the time (LGBTQ, demisexual...) This is their insecurity as I have no intention of offense. If the truth hurts, you have a problem. Self-esteem comes from within, not taking offense to someone else's definitions
My intimidation by women is more of a trust issue for me. I don't trust people in general unless they are my family or close friends.
When I decide to start looking for a girlfriend I'm not going to flirt with a woman just because she's "pretty", she has to show interest in me first before I even consider flirting.
"Most women who claim they're too "intimidating" for men to approach them are full of BS and don't want to accept they're just not attractive to men."
So true. No woman is so intimidating that men won't approach her. It's far more likely that either the wrong man approaches her (so she doesn't even count him, and she maintains "no men" have approached her) or men do approach but she's too closed off to notice and unable to flirt or see that a guy has approached her and flirted with her.
I should've added something about women not counting lewd behavior such as cat-calling and ass-grabbing as being hit on because that certainly does count as male-initiated attention
I just fill like I want be good enough for her if she a smart collage girl that look good. and sometime I think maybe if she help me I be what she want. also girl never stay to long so I dont get to know them I want to have something more to ask them out than just because they look good.
That's not uncommon at your age. People mature with age, learn what they want in life and out of a relationship, and are more likely to commit and settle down. Wait a couple of years, improve yourself in the meantime, and you'll see more women thinking you're good enough and be willing to stick around longer
I don't find strong, successful, independent women intimidating, like I don't find most strong, successful, independent men intimidating--what I do find intimidating is when people are rude for no apparent reason. That's more of an individual's problem though.
Exactly what I'm talking about here. Most strong, successful, independent people aren't intimidating because they don't actively cause people to fear for their lives or physical well-being. (But the contrary of slackers, criminals, and addicts can be quite intimidating)
Good take. You omitted one kind: girls showing wealth (jewels, expensive clothes and car , hobbies) will turn away guys who aren't in the same 'financial league'. It's also another way of being emotionally unavailable to guys who aren't in the same league. "Don't try if you can't pay the same golf club I pay". (and it's normal: rich parents don't want their daughter to come home with a 'poor' guy.
While I could see a portion of men not hitting on women who appear to be in a higher financial league, it's also less likely that two people in such drastic financial leagues would habit the same bars, clubs, places of work, cafes... That may be an issue for some men and women, but I'd clump that into the "presentation" aspect of expressing yourself visually to attract the type of guy you're interested in
@IKdonthaveausername they can attend the same university or work in the same company. Some rich girls have a career. (luxuries paid by dad or sugar daddy? How to know it?)
'' This is not your flaw but rather his insecurity and fear of rejection. A real man will make his intentions known if he truly cares about you or wants to be a part of your life.''
I am a real man, I have a xy chromosome. I have severe anxiety, and adhd. Im not less of a man due to me not being able to confine to your brave hero with shiny Armour image. This is the problem with a lot of you people. you either see men as some rock hard solid hero with no fear in his heart but the truth is, we are human just like everyone else. If I had a dollar for every girl who is to scared to approach their crush I would be rich. In this logic, I can say they are not ''real women'' since they dont go after someone that they like nor do they care to let that person know that they like them. Get real.
You're the one who needs to "get real." If you have such bad anxiety and ADHD that you can't function in life and go after the things you want, then you need to go to a psychiatrist and get some medication or go to a therapist and treat your underlying issue. I have never said a real man needs to be a hero or have shiny armor, but a real man will go after what he wants because he isn't afraid. Don't go around saying there's a problem with me because you can't deal with your anxiety. I used to have anxiety, but I went to therapy, dealt with it like an adult, and got over it
you are in no position to tell me what a ''real man'' is. there are a wide variety of men and just because they dont fit your broad definition of ''going after they want'' doesn't make them a ''fake man'' who are you? cool you have an influence title, but you are not someone who decides what makes a man or not. I already got real, and am getting help but you have no say in what makes a ''real man'' and yes, it DEFINITELY is a problem when somebody tries to pull that ''real man'' crap, we are all human and none of us are perfect. You dont understand the half of it
I am more of a real woman than you will ever be a real man. I know more than than half of it and you can't convince me I don't just because you're obsessed with self-pity
You've also made the mistake in assuming I don't go after what I want. I personally can't be attracted to a man until he makes an effort to grab my attention first. I don't have time or emotions to waste on losers, cheaters or guys I'm incompatible with. When I meet someone I want to be in a relationship with, I tell him he can either be my boyfriend and commit to me or get lost, and when they prove they can't live up to my standards, I dump them. So yes, by the definition of "getting what you want," I am a real woman
I never said humans are perfect. I believe true love is loving someone for their flaws, not despite them. But you base yourself on your flaws and show no strengths, you have a terribly negative attitude, and don't respect women or initiate enough to start a relationship
''I am more of a real woman than you will ever be a real man. ''
I said in your logic, which is basically being on a self righteous high horse where you cast judgement on us ''real'' and ''fake'' men. Cut the crap, men are a wide variety of people, with individualistic mindsets, feelings and opinions like any other women. Men are not collective, and you are in no position to cast judgement on what makes a man. you are mad because I called you out on this and it clearly hit a nerve with you.
''You've also made the mistake in assuming I don't go after what I want. ''
you said the man has to make the first move, and if he doesn't, you simply ''arent attracted to him'' I didn't say that, but you clearly aren't even aware of the hole you are digging with your contradictions. if the man does not come up to you for whatever reason such as not noticing you for example, if you two are in a big crowd, you will just stand there like a damsel in distress. Thats not going after what you want
and I only state the hardships I have going on because it applies to the situation. I Never listed my other traits which by the way, aren't all bad.
''and don't respect women or initiate enough to start a relationship''
so because I have problems prohibiting me, which I am working on by the way, I dont respect women? you are a self centered moron who is clearly inconsiderate to the fact that everybody is not going to confine with you regressive traits of ''not being attracted until he approaches'' which is by the way, a bunch of scrabble unless you are some kind of aromatic and do not rely on physical attribute
I can decide what a real man is by my definition and what I need from a man to be attracted to him. There's no "crap" in my definition, so I don't need to "cut" anything. It's clear you're the offended one here because you don't stack up to my definition of a real man. That is on you, not me
I've told you before I'm not attracted to strangers. I don't care about looks. My ex had a lot of scarring on his face and couldn't open his right eye all the way because of an explosion, but I liked him for his personality. I in no way have ever wanted to be with someone who hasn't approached me. If someone wants to approach me, I reject him until he proves that he's someone respectable and I have potential compatibility with. Once my ex proved that, I gave him the option to either take me out and be my boyfriend or to leave me alone and move on
Men have to make the first move because I don't want to be with strangers, especially not in big crowds
there is nothing to prove here on your stance other than your subjective meanings but trying to pass them off as a fact. You can have your preference, but you asserting statements like a real man does this and that pretty much exceeds the ladder of opinions. I know I am a man, and your opinion isn't some god sent gift of humanity. you are in no position to tell someone what a real man is. you may like THAT type of man, but you are getting ahead of yourself but to stubborn to admit it.
Yes it is my opinion and I have a right to my opinion. Also have the right to express my opinion whether you disagree with me or not
If you want to act like you're not taking offense, then don't turn it around to try and offend or discredit others. My opinion apparently mattered enough for you to keep commenting, so don't act like a hypocrite here in claiming otherwise
''Yes it is my opinion and I have a right to my opinion. Also have the right to express ''
your opinion was written as a fact. when people share their opinions, they usually let people know that its just that. also, I never said anything to suggest I didn't take offense, you are right, I am offended by people telling me what a real man is as if they lived a day in my shoes. bye
This goes men and women. Beauty objectively is seen as a valuable commodity by society, when a girl or guy is very, very attractive, they are very, very intimidating, because if I get rejected by someone with high value, those with low self-esteem or value, will see this as dictation of how valuable they are to the other sex, lessen one's self-image, and his or her belief in their ability to attain life's joys and pleasures we all want.
If you don't look approachable, you aren't going to get approached... It's not a question of whether a girl has confidence, whether she's successful, or seems to have high standards...
It truly is all about whether she look like she's friendly, fun to be around, and fun to talk to.
There is one oversight to this whole thing. Basically the argument is that men are intimidated by women who are Strong, Independent, masculine, Intelligent and successful. Here's the thing though, If a woman is all that, why would they ever wanna get approached by men in the first place?
They Likely have all the money they could ever want, and to that end I'm sure they could find a male escort to cart around. And before you start harping on about pure companionship, I'm sure they have plenty of female friends to call on. Any sort of relationship with a male would likely be a hindrance to her anyway, and would slowly fall apart due to the man being COMPLETELY unnecessary, so why even bother starting one in the first place?
My argument is that men are not intimidated by strong, independent, masculine, intelligent, and successful women. Men find strong, intelligent women attractive, so those aren't qualities that prevent men from approaching women. Men find masculine women unattractive, so it's the lack of sexual appeal and not intimidation that prevents men from approaching these women. Men like independent and successful women, but not women who are too independent to depend on men they care about and not women who are too unavailable due to spending too much time at work
True women with all that don't need men, but some still want one. Especially women who want to have children and raise them properly with good mother and father role-models. But I wasn't assuming women are all that. I was simply pointing out a few reasons as to why an attractive woman may not receive the expected male attention
Unnecessary=/=gets in the way. Successful women like love, family, and sex too
That's also another point I made in MyTake if you bother to read it. Both men and women need to be available for relationships if they want a successful one
Men who don't make themselves available aren't worth marrying anyway and it's better to not pass on those genes anyway. It's better to have a lower birthrate with mentally sane people than to have a bunch of useless people being born
The sanity and mental serenity is staying single. Being married to a bitch an ungrateful kids in this hostile world, is not healthy whatsoever and leads to alcholism and an early death. I respect myself more than than that. No sale, the pain an't worth the pleasure.
Nobody is forcing you to marry a bitch and children are ungrateful when their parents raise them that way
Married men live longer than unmarried men, have better mental health, better physical health, live longer, and especially have much less depression and much better hearts. There is. no serenity or sanity in the way you demonize women who haven't done anything to you
Hmmmm, I am see your point, all women are pure of heart and men are the problem. We will live longer if we submit. Thank you for telling me no one is forcing me into it. My and milliions of other young men will opt out, respectfully.
well that was a pretty loose use of the word "intimidation" XD i´m not "intimidated" by overly muscular hulk girls. it´m disgusted. i´m not "intimidated" by girls with huge attitudes. i´m pissed off by them. intimidation is a whole other level.
That's exactly my point. Women aren't really intimidating to men, they just aren't attractive because the qualities they consider to be intimidating are too masculine
after all however you are there will still be guys that like you xD it´s not worth it to bend your personality just so guys won´t be intimindated. however you should avoid having only male friends as a girl. that´s the one thing that actively keeps interested guys off of you XD
While I wouldn't change myself to attract someone, I would be open to improving myself to make a relationship work if I really loved the guy. It is up to every individual whether it is worth it or not to change themselves for romance. For or some women who are nearing their 30s without success and still want to have children, it may be worth it
My problem with having female friends is I hate the drama and jealousy that girls bring with them. I've tried having female friends for a little over a year now, and they're starting to get on my nerves with their trashy behavior. I've started hanging out more with my new male coworker because they're just less dramatic and more interested in actually having fun. When I was dating my ex, I tried to hang out with my female friends more, but then he tried to hookup with one because everyone knows she's a hoe... So I either need a guy who has a new friend group for me or is ok with me only spending time with him...
Hmmmm... I came up with most of it by myself, but I started thinking about the subject in-depth about 6 months ago from a comment I read on GAG (but I can't remember what that original comment was...)
I attract men who only interested in having sex, not getting to know me. What could I possibly be doing to attract that?
Guys also tend to make me their "second" or "backup" options, i. e. keeping me in the fence while they decide if they want me or not, or keeping me around until they get the girl they want. Currently going through this right now with a friend;it didn't work out with one girl after he decided to date her and not me and now wants me. No thank you. What could I be doing wrong there?
@azzntittiz I used to think something was wrong with them! And perhaps there is. But if it's the same thing over and over, maybe I'm doing something wrong.
If you want to think that way, well cool. But I used to think through my problems and blame myself too. Then when I tired everything and end up getting confessions of why I realized I wasn't in the wrong. Maybe you pick a type, I wish you the best though.
Omg... I can't tell if this is meant to be serious or satire because it's too long and I just skimmed it, but I admire your perseverance in writing it.
Lol thank you. I do intend everything I write to be serious, but yes there is a hint of satire for those people who can read between the lines enough to get it
When I hear about a woman being "intimidating", I don't think about some insanely attractive woman I don't have a chance with.
What I think about "intimidating", what I think about is a woman with body language that says "don't bother me". I will pass this woman up with no problem, I'm not into seeking a challenge, instead I will simply find another woman that is more open in her body language.
like women have no fear and insecurities. all the pressure is on man cause no matter how we sugarcoat it we choose in the end. and also men have to pleasure women at 80% and us only 20 to them. (in all levels, confidence, charisma, mentally, flirting, bedroom etc). the percentage changes as we get to more alpha couples and gets closer to 50-50.
Well yeah, but you can't have the dude wasting his time if he doesn't know that the woman actually likes him when she doesn't let him know in any way. I know it's scary to be rejected sometimes, but you just have to try lol
❌I've got a 10million trust fund, and I should grow this and become very rich one day. I don't find really attractive girls at all intimidating. I want one for sure ✅. ⚠️⚠️⚠️But I wouldn't like a girl who is so smart. She man end up manipulating you and using you.
Dumb people use and manipulate each other. Smart people should be smart enough to know not to use people and to know how to treat someone properly. But that is not always the case as individuals vary. Unfortunately manipulation is a character issue and has nothing to do with how smart you are. So don't immediately reject smart girls, because not all smart girls are manipulative
Yes it will because men have more testosterone that causes them to take more risks, desire sex more often, and there will always be men ballsy, drunk, or brave enough to ask out even the most beautiful women. Guys who never ask women out will remain alone because they will lose women to men who are willing to risk it
Idonthaveausername its obvious you are ignorant of game. i happen to hve 4 brothers and know my stuff quite well. being ballsy is just 10% of it. a man has to have much more. we have as well. just sitting there looking pretty won't make the cut.
@levantine99 I'm not ignorant of game at all. I see it all the time in many different forms because I get approached constantly. I understand what goes into game. My point in this MyTake is that there will always be someone ballsy enough to ask a hot girl out, so there's no such thing as a woman being too intimidating with her looks. This isn't about insecure guys, game, or even men at all
Idonthaveausername yeah its fun. if you know a couple of things about it, you can understand today all the things men throw at us to "seduce" us. lol. but if we like the guy we make it work anyway haha.
That makes sense, black guys have 20% more testosterone coursing through their veins than white guys. This is generally why black guys are more muscular, better athletes and lovers.
Hmmmm. I didn't know black men had more testosterone than white men. That's a very interesting fact and probably has something to do with black men being more vocal about sexual interest in women and approaching women more than other ethnicities
Absolutely not. My father was an alcoholic, so alcoholics disgust me. Drinking should be done in moderation once you get over the initial excitement phase. I'm not interested in alcoholics. As a female, testosterone is attractive to me, but I don't jump on guys just because they have testosterone. And as a virgin, no I don't sleep around, especially not with drunks
yes I often think that women talk about guys beeing intimidatd a lot because it makes them feel better and it's easier than changing something about themselves. This applies to guys too of course but that's a different topic :P
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This I can agree with for a change, except for the last paragraph.
If there is a guy YOUR eye draws itself to then stop being an entitled princess and go after him instead, women expecting everything served to them on the silver platter who go around thinking they get to define "real men" are very unattractive too.
Also I find it very weird for women in groups of 3 to be the most approachable.
I would never approach a woman if she wasn't alone.
Well then just ignore the last paragraph so we can agree on something for once. LOL
Yes women have the option to approach men if they want to, but it's unrealistic to expect women as a whole to start asking men out when men are biologically designed to take more risks and seek out mates more than women. Personally I don't have to do that because I receive plenty of male attention even from the few guys I've been interested in
Every woman gets to define what a real man is to her the same way every man gets to define what a real woman is to him. As long as you aren't insulting or causing harm to anyone with your definition, it's fine to have your own even if other people don't agree with it
Do you approach women for relationships or sex? Groups of 3 is in a club or bar setting, not everyday life such as walking through a mall or at the grocery store. Women who go to clubs alone receive mainly sexual attention, not men looking for serious relationships
The thing with groups, I find it weird to intrude on someone who is already having a good time, what would the other people do while we talk? Sit around being annoyed?
To me being with other people falls into the line of the previous thing you mentioned "looking unavailable", I'd be much more likely to approach someone who is alone simply because I'd assume I'm not intruding on anything important that they are doing.
But then again I don't really approach, so maybe I have a different mindset.
As for definitions lol, the thing is they are always going to insult people because by "defining" you make them feel inadequate.
Nobody gets to define their "real self" but themselves, you CAN choose to not like their self but I'd state it as a preference.
In the grand scheme of things it shouldn't matter who you insult but you can shoot yourself in the foot if you end up insulting their friends and start looking shallow, especially if your definitions are seemingly self-serving.
Hmmmmm... I'd be willing to bet that you just have a different mindset here. When I am with a group of people (I usually go out with 1-3 friends) I am ready to relax, have fun, and meet new people. When I go to a club to dance with my friends, I am most open to guys approaching me because I'm not focused on work, grocery shopping, or wishing I was at home sleeping in my bed. As for the "What are her friends supposed to do?" question, that's why most guys bring a wingman, but my friends and I will either continue with each other or talk to someone else, granted he doesn't just talk to all of us (because when you date a girl, you have to meet her friend group eventually)
I agree that people feel inadequate by definitions, yet people try to define themselves all the time (LGBTQ, demisexual...) This is their insecurity as I have no intention of offense. If the truth hurts, you have a problem. Self-esteem comes from within, not taking offense to someone else's definitions
My intimidation by women is more of a trust issue for me. I don't trust people in general unless they are my family or close friends.
When I decide to start looking for a girlfriend I'm not going to flirt with a woman just because she's "pretty", she has to show interest in me first before I even consider flirting.
That's the way to be!
"Most women who claim they're too "intimidating" for men to approach them are full of BS and don't want to accept they're just not attractive to men."
So true. No woman is so intimidating that men won't approach her. It's far more likely that either the wrong man approaches her (so she doesn't even count him, and she maintains "no men" have approached her) or men do approach but she's too closed off to notice and unable to flirt or see that a guy has approached her and flirted with her.
Thank you for sharing your viewpoint
I should've added something about women not counting lewd behavior such as cat-calling and ass-grabbing as being hit on because that certainly does count as male-initiated attention
I just fill like I want be good enough for her if she a smart collage girl that look good. and sometime I think maybe if she help me I be what she want. also girl never stay to long so I dont get to know them I want to have something more to ask them out than just because they look good.
That's not uncommon at your age. People mature with age, learn what they want in life and out of a relationship, and are more likely to commit and settle down. Wait a couple of years, improve yourself in the meantime, and you'll see more women thinking you're good enough and be willing to stick around longer
ok
I try
I don't find strong, successful, independent women intimidating, like I don't find most strong, successful, independent men intimidating--what I do find intimidating is when people are rude for no apparent reason. That's more of an individual's problem though.
Exactly what I'm talking about here. Most strong, successful, independent people aren't intimidating because they don't actively cause people to fear for their lives or physical well-being. (But the contrary of slackers, criminals, and addicts can be quite intimidating)
Yeah exactly, success doesn't equal intimidating, rudeness does
Good take.
You omitted one kind: girls showing wealth (jewels, expensive clothes and car , hobbies) will turn away guys who aren't in the same 'financial league'.
It's also another way of being emotionally unavailable to guys who aren't in the same league. "Don't try if you can't pay the same golf club I pay".
(and it's normal: rich parents don't want their daughter to come home with a 'poor' guy.
While I could see a portion of men not hitting on women who appear to be in a higher financial league, it's also less likely that two people in such drastic financial leagues would habit the same bars, clubs, places of work, cafes... That may be an issue for some men and women, but I'd clump that into the "presentation" aspect of expressing yourself visually to attract the type of guy you're interested in
Or maybe I'm just too poor for that to ever have been an issue for me LOL
I financially support myself, so I expect a man to financially support himself as well, but I don't expect him to be rich
@IKdonthaveausername they can attend the same university or work in the same company.
Some rich girls have a career. (luxuries paid by dad or sugar daddy? How to know it?)
'' This is not your flaw but rather his insecurity and fear of rejection. A real man will make his intentions known if he truly cares about you or wants to be a part of your life.''
I am a real man, I have a xy chromosome. I have severe anxiety, and adhd. Im not less of a man due to me not being able to confine to your brave hero with shiny Armour image. This is the problem with a lot of you people. you either see men as some rock hard solid hero with no fear in his heart but the truth is, we are human just like everyone else. If I had a dollar for every girl who is to scared to approach their crush I would be rich. In this logic, I can say they are not ''real women'' since they dont go after someone that they like nor do they care to let that person know that they like them. Get real.
I like you. You've got a good stance ;)
You're the one who needs to "get real." If you have such bad anxiety and ADHD that you can't function in life and go after the things you want, then you need to go to a psychiatrist and get some medication or go to a therapist and treat your underlying issue. I have never said a real man needs to be a hero or have shiny armor, but a real man will go after what he wants because he isn't afraid. Don't go around saying there's a problem with me because you can't deal with your anxiety. I used to have anxiety, but I went to therapy, dealt with it like an adult, and got over it
you are in no position to tell me what a ''real man'' is. there are a wide variety of men and just because they dont fit your broad definition of ''going after they want'' doesn't make them a ''fake man'' who are you? cool you have an influence title, but you are not someone who decides what makes a man or not. I already got real, and am getting help but you have no say in what makes a ''real man'' and yes, it DEFINITELY is a problem when somebody tries to pull that ''real man'' crap, we are all human and none of us are perfect. You dont understand the half of it
@foodtv thanks lol
and why can't you go after what you want and expect a man too? in that logic (like I said before) you are not a real women
I am more of a real woman than you will ever be a real man. I know more than than half of it and you can't convince me I don't just because you're obsessed with self-pity
You've also made the mistake in assuming I don't go after what I want. I personally can't be attracted to a man until he makes an effort to grab my attention first. I don't have time or emotions to waste on losers, cheaters or guys I'm incompatible with. When I meet someone I want to be in a relationship with, I tell him he can either be my boyfriend and commit to me or get lost, and when they prove they can't live up to my standards, I dump them. So yes, by the definition of "getting what you want," I am a real woman
I never said humans are perfect. I believe true love is loving someone for their flaws, not despite them. But you base yourself on your flaws and show no strengths, you have a terribly negative attitude, and don't respect women or initiate enough to start a relationship
''I am more of a real woman than you will ever be a real man. ''
I said in your logic, which is basically being on a self righteous high horse where you cast judgement on us ''real'' and ''fake'' men. Cut the crap, men are a wide variety of people, with individualistic mindsets, feelings and opinions like any other women. Men are not collective, and you are in no position to cast judgement on what makes a man. you are mad because I called you out on this and it clearly hit a nerve with you.
''You've also made the mistake in assuming I don't go after what I want. ''
you said the man has to make the first move, and if he doesn't, you simply ''arent attracted to him'' I didn't say that, but you clearly aren't even aware of the hole you are digging with your contradictions. if the man does not come up to you for whatever reason such as not noticing you for example, if you two are in a big crowd, you will just stand there like a damsel in distress. Thats not going after what you want
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and I only state the hardships I have going on because it applies to the situation. I Never listed my other traits which by the way, aren't all bad.
''and don't respect women or initiate enough to start a relationship''
so because I have problems prohibiting me, which I am working on by the way, I dont respect women? you are a self centered moron who is clearly inconsiderate to the fact that everybody is not going to confine with you regressive traits of ''not being attracted until he approaches'' which is by the way, a bunch of scrabble unless you are some kind of aromatic and do not rely on physical attribute
You're only further proving my point here
I can decide what a real man is by my definition and what I need from a man to be attracted to him. There's no "crap" in my definition, so I don't need to "cut" anything. It's clear you're the offended one here because you don't stack up to my definition of a real man. That is on you, not me
I've told you before I'm not attracted to strangers. I don't care about looks. My ex had a lot of scarring on his face and couldn't open his right eye all the way because of an explosion, but I liked him for his personality. I in no way have ever wanted to be with someone who hasn't approached me. If someone wants to approach me, I reject him until he proves that he's someone respectable and I have potential compatibility with. Once my ex proved that, I gave him the option to either take me out and be my boyfriend or to leave me alone and move on
Men have to make the first move because I don't want to be with strangers, especially not in big crowds
there is nothing to prove here on your stance other than your subjective meanings but trying to pass them off as a fact. You can have your preference, but you asserting statements like a real man does this and that pretty much exceeds the ladder of opinions. I know I am a man, and your opinion isn't some god sent gift of humanity. you are in no position to tell someone what a real man is. you may like THAT type of man, but you are getting ahead of yourself but to stubborn to admit it.
Yes it is my opinion and I have a right to my opinion. Also have the right to express my opinion whether you disagree with me or not
If you want to act like you're not taking offense, then don't turn it around to try and offend or discredit others. My opinion apparently mattered enough for you to keep commenting, so don't act like a hypocrite here in claiming otherwise
''Yes it is my opinion and I have a right to my opinion. Also have the right to express ''
your opinion was written as a fact. when people share their opinions, they usually let people know that its just that. also, I never said anything to suggest I didn't take offense, you are right, I am offended by people telling me what a real man is as if they lived a day in my shoes. bye
also, nothing in my post was condescending, that made no sense..
This goes men and women. Beauty objectively is seen as a valuable commodity by society, when a girl or guy is very, very attractive, they are very, very intimidating, because if I get rejected by someone with high value, those with low self-esteem or value, will see this as dictation of how valuable they are to the other sex, lessen one's self-image, and his or her belief in their ability to attain life's joys and pleasures we all want.
If you don't look approachable, you aren't going to get approached... It's not a question of whether a girl has confidence, whether she's successful, or seems to have high standards...
It truly is all about whether she look like she's friendly, fun to be around, and fun to talk to.
There is one oversight to this whole thing. Basically the argument is that men are intimidated by women who are Strong, Independent, masculine, Intelligent and successful. Here's the thing though, If a woman is all that, why would they ever wanna get approached by men in the first place?
They Likely have all the money they could ever want, and to that end I'm sure they could find a male escort to cart around. And before you start harping on about pure companionship, I'm sure they have plenty of female friends to call on.
Any sort of relationship with a male would likely be a hindrance to her anyway, and would slowly fall apart due to the man being COMPLETELY unnecessary, so why even bother starting one in the first place?
Um... No, not at all
My argument is that men are not intimidated by strong, independent, masculine, intelligent, and successful women. Men find strong, intelligent women attractive, so those aren't qualities that prevent men from approaching women. Men find masculine women unattractive, so it's the lack of sexual appeal and not intimidation that prevents men from approaching these women. Men like independent and successful women, but not women who are too independent to depend on men they care about and not women who are too unavailable due to spending too much time at work
True women with all that don't need men, but some still want one. Especially women who want to have children and raise them properly with good mother and father role-models. But I wasn't assuming women are all that. I was simply pointing out a few reasons as to why an attractive woman may not receive the expected male attention
Unnecessary=/=gets in the way. Successful women like love, family, and sex too
But do they have really have time for a family or does she just pay someone else to mind the kids and the husband... cat's away, the mice will play.
@Margillard
That's also another point I made in MyTake if you bother to read it. Both men and women need to be available for relationships if they want a successful one
Men are not making themselves available, the birth rate is plummeting as a result.
www.avoiceformen.com/.../
@Margillard
Men who don't make themselves available aren't worth marrying anyway and it's better to not pass on those genes anyway. It's better to have a lower birthrate with mentally sane people than to have a bunch of useless people being born
The sanity and mental serenity is staying single. Being married to a bitch an ungrateful kids in this hostile world, is not healthy whatsoever and leads to alcholism and an early death. I respect myself more than than that.
No sale, the pain an't worth the pleasure.
@Margillard
Nobody is forcing you to marry a bitch and children are ungrateful when their parents raise them that way
Married men live longer than unmarried men, have better mental health, better physical health, live longer, and especially have much less depression and much better hearts. There is. no serenity or sanity in the way you demonize women who haven't done anything to you
Hmmmm, I am see your point, all women are pure of heart and men are the problem.
We will live longer if we submit.
Thank you for telling me no one is forcing me into it. My and milliions of other young men will opt out, respectfully.
well that was a pretty loose use of the word "intimidation" XD i´m not "intimidated" by overly muscular hulk girls. it´m disgusted. i´m not "intimidated" by girls with huge attitudes. i´m pissed off by them. intimidation is a whole other level.
That's exactly my point. Women aren't really intimidating to men, they just aren't attractive because the qualities they consider to be intimidating are too masculine
after all however you are there will still be guys that like you xD it´s not worth it to bend your personality just so guys won´t be intimindated. however you should avoid having only male friends as a girl. that´s the one thing that actively keeps interested guys off of you XD
While I wouldn't change myself to attract someone, I would be open to improving myself to make a relationship work if I really loved the guy. It is up to every individual whether it is worth it or not to change themselves for romance. For or some women who are nearing their 30s without success and still want to have children, it may be worth it
My problem with having female friends is I hate the drama and jealousy that girls bring with them. I've tried having female friends for a little over a year now, and they're starting to get on my nerves with their trashy behavior. I've started hanging out more with my new male coworker because they're just less dramatic and more interested in actually having fun. When I was dating my ex, I tried to hang out with my female friends more, but then he tried to hookup with one because everyone knows she's a hoe... So I either need a guy who has a new friend group for me or is ok with me only spending time with him...
TLDR. Seems on browse it's not too far off the mark.
But seriously, you really came up with all that yourself? LOL
I always say men really aren't intimidated by any woman unless she's actually threatening to kick his ass. :)
Hmmmm... I came up with most of it by myself, but I started thinking about the subject in-depth about 6 months ago from a comment I read on GAG (but I can't remember what that original comment was...)
Agreed
I attract men who only interested in having sex, not getting to know me. What could I possibly be doing to attract that?
Guys also tend to make me their "second" or "backup" options, i. e. keeping me in the fence while they decide if they want me or not, or keeping me around until they get the girl they want. Currently going through this right now with a friend;it didn't work out with one girl after he decided to date her and not me and now wants me. No thank you. What could I be doing wrong there?
Your problem is you're assuming something is wrong with you when men are using you, why isn't something wrong with them?
@azzntittiz I used to think something was wrong with them! And perhaps there is. But if it's the same thing over and over, maybe I'm doing something wrong.
If you want to think that way, well cool. But I used to think through my problems and blame myself too. Then when I tired everything and end up getting confessions of why I realized I wasn't in the wrong.
Maybe you pick a type, I wish you the best though.
Omg... I can't tell if this is meant to be serious or satire because it's too long and I just skimmed it, but I admire your perseverance in writing it.
Lol thank you. I do intend everything I write to be serious, but yes there is a hint of satire for those people who can read between the lines enough to get it
When I hear about a woman being "intimidating", I don't think about some insanely attractive woman I don't have a chance with.
What I think about "intimidating", what I think about is a woman with body language that says "don't bother me". I will pass this woman up with no problem, I'm not into seeking a challenge, instead I will simply find another woman that is more open in her body language.
Agreed. This really all boils down to the fear of rejection here.
Finally something we agree on! LOL
Women who want to be approached more often need to present themselves in a more approachable way that doesn't say they'll automatically reject men
like women have no fear and insecurities. all the pressure is on man cause no matter how we sugarcoat it we choose in the end. and also men have to pleasure women at 80% and us only 20 to them. (in all levels, confidence, charisma, mentally, flirting, bedroom etc). the percentage changes as we get to more alpha couples and gets closer to 50-50.
Well yeah, but you can't have the dude wasting his time if he doesn't know that the woman actually likes him when she doesn't let him know in any way. I know it's scary to be rejected sometimes, but you just have to try lol
❌I've got a 10million trust fund, and I should grow this and become very rich one day. I don't find really attractive girls at all intimidating. I want one for sure ✅.
⚠️⚠️⚠️But I wouldn't like a girl who is so smart. She man end up manipulating you and using you.
She can't be "too smart" and not manipulate you.
Dumb people use and manipulate each other. Smart people should be smart enough to know not to use people and to know how to treat someone properly. But that is not always the case as individuals vary. Unfortunately manipulation is a character issue and has nothing to do with how smart you are. So don't immediately reject smart girls, because not all smart girls are manipulative
i bet men approaching women will probably remain the norm until our sun expires, when our Sun runs out of hydrogen and incinerates the Earth.
Yes it will because men have more testosterone that causes them to take more risks, desire sex more often, and there will always be men ballsy, drunk, or brave enough to ask out even the most beautiful women. Guys who never ask women out will remain alone because they will lose women to men who are willing to risk it
Idonthaveausername its obvious you are ignorant of game. i happen to hve 4 brothers and know my stuff quite well. being ballsy is just 10% of it. a man has to have much more. we have as well. just sitting there looking pretty won't make the cut.
ya I was just sarcastically speaking on my strong hatred and resentment towards this gender role I've long hated, detested, loathed, etc.
@levantine99
I'm not ignorant of game at all. I see it all the time in many different forms because I get approached constantly. I understand what goes into game. My point in this MyTake is that there will always be someone ballsy enough to ask a hot girl out, so there's no such thing as a woman being too intimidating with her looks. This isn't about insecure guys, game, or even men at all
Idonthaveausername yeah its fun. if you know a couple of things about it, you can understand today all the things men throw at us to "seduce" us. lol. but if we like the guy we make it work anyway haha.
@levantine99 ya we have to live with it
That makes sense, black guys have 20% more testosterone coursing through their veins than white guys. This is generally why black guys are more muscular, better athletes and lovers.
@Margillard
Hmmmm. I didn't know black men had more testosterone than white men. That's a very interesting fact and probably has something to do with black men being more vocal about sexual interest in women and approaching women more than other ethnicities
Black men also have a higher percentage of prostate cancer, which is due to higher testosterone levels.
prostatecanceruk.org/.../prostate-cancer-and-your-risk
It is actually 21% higher than white men.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3455741
@Margillard
That's really interesting. I knew about the issues with hypertension. I wonder if that's related as well
Yes that is probably true:
http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/57/3/379
Women do love testosterone laden drunks alwrighty, is that the kind of guy that really gets your panties wet?
@Margillard
Absolutely not. My father was an alcoholic, so alcoholics disgust me. Drinking should be done in moderation once you get over the initial excitement phase. I'm not interested in alcoholics. As a female, testosterone is attractive to me, but I don't jump on guys just because they have testosterone. And as a virgin, no I don't sleep around, especially not with drunks
yes I often think that women talk about guys beeing intimidatd a lot because it makes them feel better and it's easier than changing something about themselves. This applies to guys too of course but that's a different topic :P
Uhmmm online I get like approached on proper sites close to 15 times a day and I don't use dating apps. Only difference is I'm usually just friendly
Yeah... online!
@bekkesmash well I don't go outside but when I do i get approached. Prob cos I look friendly
Being friendly is the best way to get approached. People are naturally drawn to happy, friendly people