so your a lesbian feminist i take it
I think you've taken the "going" too seriously here. It's not about physically going somewhere, it's about an emotional and mental journey. Agreed that they shouldn't basically use it to act aggressively towards women like how #notallwomen are doing these days to men, because then who is the better person?
@Names93 I get ya. But if the point is to get away from women because you believe women are awful, why keep popping up where women are online? We're a lost cause right? So why aren't you just leaving us alone? And I think it's because MGTOW really aren't truthful about who they are.I think a lot of them truly long for a deep and meaningful connection with a woman, but they are just so angry and hurt inside, they really aren't very suitable partners. So I am sure many of them have had legitimately bad experiences with women that have made them bitter. (I have had my OWN bad experiences that made me loudly proclaim my disgust with women.) They get very twisted in on themselves, and a lot of the MGTOW banter even contracts itself.I think they are reacting to real pain they feel.But there's still really nothing defensible about sexism. And that's what it comes down to for me.
I think it can be used as a method for self discovery and really finding yourself, but those who are aggressive aren't quite ready to move on from the dating scene. I do get it to an extent, I've been hurt in the past and I've not wanted to date again at points. It's not an unusual desire to want to see someone feel how you feel, particularly heartbreak and loneliness, but it's not acceptable to act aggressively to another person. I do think in some cases its a reaction to extreme feminists too, only they're not being the bigger people.
@Names93 I find it more often a reaction to what other people have told them about radfems, and mainstream feminism, than anything they have actually experienced.They think that they are getting attacked for being men, but if they are attacked at all it's for being a sexist, or maybe just being a dick. Which is not synonymous with man.The thing is, these aren't just guys who find themselves single and decide to fill their time with personal interests (career, spiritual, emotional, recreation, art, etc.) and then just never get back to dating. These are men with a malignant and dangerous attitude about women, and even our right not to be raped or forced into prostitution (I've heard from those MGTOWs) is not respected. Let alone any of our other hard won rights.I'm a feminist, but I love men, and I don't think that they should have shittier lives because they are men, or have reasonable rights taken away. I just want my rights respected as well. This isn't us vs. them.
There is no "them". On this big blue marble we are all "us". And if everyone does well, then everyone does well. I have no interest in tearing men out of any place they have rightfully ascended. And most feminists I have ever met in all my years basically share this opinion, no matter how much biased news coverage we get that says we all hate men and want you to die.You're our sons, and our husbands, brothers, friends, fathers, family. We really don't hate you all. We really don't even hate many of you as individuals, so much as we just wish you'd stop the catcalls and consent violations and stuff. We don't think men are a lost cause, or unable to reach reasonable decisions with us. Most of you have demonstrated being pretty great in a lot of ways.But if it's ok, we'd like our places at the table too, the giant infinite table that can feed all. I don't know why we keep having to rehash this.
I'm with you but you don't speak for everyone.
As in #notallwomen think the same way you do. Not all men are bad, not all women are bad blah blah blah and both do bad things. That's how I see it.
@Names93 I speak for a lot more feminists that an MGTOW does though.
Right, but there are always exceptions to the rule.
"Yet when they speak up they're told they have it so well that they should sit down and be quiet. This is a huge issue that shouldn't be ignored or shoved under the rug."👍🏼
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You may have met a MGTOW who wasn't vocal about it, or they may not have exhibited any of these negative tropes you list and so therefore did not think of them as a MGTOW.
Lol. That's *Exactly* the same thing i say about the dodos on the other side. Someone asked me what i thought of xyz-ism and i was like.. I love it. It empowered dodos to proudly show off that label. So i get to happily avoid them and keep my sanity.
I don't see how it's their loss if they do it through spite. I'm not trying to say it's right/wrong, but how does it make it their loss?
@Names93 because they are choosing to let their negative emotions fuel their lifestyle
When actually used to focus on themselves and do things for themselves without the stress of dating, I don't see how it's their loss.
@Names93 lmfao of really? Not the ones I've met in here, gone case
I don't think anyone you've met on here will for the description of how I just said.
Who will fit the description*
@Names93 sure thing
“Men Going Their Own Way”
thank youit makes me angry for both sides
blame third wave feminism and todays society that only benifets women with jobs, schools teach the way only women learn. men on the other hand are loosing all the male jobs out there to be what a male nurse? or take a woman perferd job, f uck no! we dont want that bs! women need to pull the monkey out of their a ss and realize feminisim and this whole equality thing is bs
what is bsi'm from turkey and do not understand all words