If a guy doesn’t pay on the first date, you should ghost him. Agree or disagree?

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"Guys should pay for the first date. It might seem sexist, it might seem anti-feminist, but I don't give a fuck. Guys should pay for the first date because it's the least they can do. For starters, women make, on average, 79 cents for every dollar a man makes.

That's about $10,800 less than a man a year. That's a serious chunk of change so already we're off to a bad start with this date. Next, society tells men to be men. And part of that bullshit narrative is that women are weaker than men and more helpless and men should be the providers. So you want to be part of the patriarchy and go with society? Fine. But you're buying my martinis.

On average women spend more money on clothes, makeup, hair products, perfume, shoes, lingerie, etc. We may not buy these items exclusively for the date but we spent money on them, definitely more than Sean spent on the graphic T he wore to the date, and the least he could do is compensate by buying me a few drinks. It costs more to be a woman and the emotional toll getting ready for a date takes on us is monetarily equivalent to the $12 you will spend on a cocktail. We're not asking for anything outrageous. We just want to, for once, feel a little special.

So yes, I expect him to pay for the first date. Ultimately, do what you want. I'm just saying that if a guy is too cheap to buy one night of drinks for you then he's also probably cheap in the bedroom. And that's something I want no part of.

If he doesn't pay on the first date ghost his ass and find someone who will."
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  • Lol, everything she is listing as to why being a women is expensive is due to choices. If someone wants to be that petty, then fine, but I completely disagree.

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    • Some women say they also have extra expenses like tampons lol and birth control

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    • @Shutupman what about asking. Some say the one who asks should pay because they are asking her and she didn't choose where to do. So if he takes her to some expensive place. He should pay

      ? Lol

    • @TripleAce never take someone to an expensive place for a first date. That's something you do for a one year anniversary with your lover. And no because most women do not ask men out, they feel like the man should do that. Besides a girl is not forced to agree to go on a date, she knows what she is agreeing to.

  • I'd assume he didn't fancy me or like me, but i don't ghost people, if i'm unhappy with someone or i'm going to cut contact i let the person know.

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  • 1. The pay discrepancy argument is bullshit.

    2. The reverse argument could be made. "You want to be the independent, liberated, competent woman who doesn't NEED a man. Prove it!"

    3. Ghosting someone is rude unless they were physically threatening on the first date. Star using other people's behavior as an excuse for your shitty behavior and you've proved that you have no morals, ethics, or standards - but you do have excuses.

    4. Any chick that has this attitude. . . please do not even agree to the first date with me.

    5. I'm a traditional guy and I expect to pay for everything, etc. Last night, my lady wanted to pay for dinner. She has much more money than I do (hint: she drives a 2018 Mercedes-Benz CLS 550 and lives in a very nice condo at the beach) but I think she just wanted to feel like she was not being taken care of. We talked about it for a minute, told her it wasn't necessary, but she could do that if it made her feel more comfortable. . . so she did.

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    • But most women do prove they are independent. Men are the ones begging for attention, dates, & access to a woman's body. Which men expect in return (no matter how old or broke he is) because that's the reason he asked her on a date.

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    • That you are not trolling.

    • Thanks for MHO!

  • yeah, if she keeps that attitude, she's gonna stay single for her whole life, and then complain, that there are no good guys anymore, lol

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  • I don’t like a guy paying for me because I feel like I owe him something later. Plus if I didn’t enjoy the date we have a clean break and I won’t feel guilty. I can’t be a moocher like most women who expect guys to pay. I just can’t have that on my conscious.

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    • Thank you for being thoughtful. If you want to take that up a notch, offer to pay the whole thing, insist even, sometimes. That's what we men do. It's just courtesy. And when you do that it sets up a frame that your relationship needs to be completely equal. Some men will run of you do that, but all you're doing is getting rid of the guys who can't handle equality. I earn good money and regularly offer to pay, and a girl who offered to pay, no, even insisted, would make me want to pay the next 20 times and would earn a massive amount of respect.

      All the best :)

    • "I don’t like a guy paying for me because I feel like I owe him something later." Is a very telling statement about heteronormative relationships.

    • ^. you shouldn’t feel that you owe him something. it’s just a date. especially if he’s offering to pay it’s because he wants to. maybe some men may expect some action later on in the date but you do not owe him anything. do whatever you’re comfortable with. you should let a man pay for you if he wants to. you shouldn’t feel bad. that is very sweet and kind of sad though.

  • Fucking female privilege. If he buys you steak out of obligation then what are YOU obligated to do in return?

    Nooo if he expects anything from you he's a filthy, sexist pig, but you can expect him to fork money over to you - likely a total stranger he is trying to get to know - because you have a cunt between your legs.

    Fuck off.

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    • I'd buy your dinner. The feisty attitude is awesome haha.
      Can we have more people with this mindset please?

    • Well it's cool that you acknowledge that this exists, but why does it make you so angry? ^^

  • I disagree.

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    • I don't understand why so many people *liked* this comment. I mean it's common sense. It's freaking 2018. If you cannot afford to go on a date, then stay at home. You can't be expecting the other person to pay for you. I agree, it's nice to taking turns in order to pay for each other, but in the beginning no one knows if the dating phase will continue. In that case, it would be totally unfair for the guy if the girl didn't feel like going to a second date to compensate for the money he spent on her (by paying for the second date)

    • it's nice taking turns*

  • I'm a feminist and I believe the guy isn't obligated to pay on the first date, just like how a girl isn't obligated to buy lots of clothes, makeup, shoes and expensive beauty treatments all the time (even if the society does pressure women to have an interest in these things). And since it's not mandatory, I don't think it's fair to expect a man to pay for the date just because you went and got your nails done or something.
    I identify as a woman in a pretty traditional sense. I like dresses, jewelry, pretty clothes and the occasional high heel (but in retrospect I also like jeans, sneakers and hoodies, heEeEyYyy will you look at that, versatile interests). But I'd never expect a man to pay for my shit just because these are my interests and it's what I spend my money on. Nobody is forcing me to buy clothes, makeup and nail polishes regularly.
    And I feel like a guy can make me feel special without dropping 12 bucks on a cocktail (and I don't even drink). I'd rather focus on how he makes me feel, over how much he wants to spend on me.

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  • "Emotional toll of getting ready"? Bitch you always pile that shit on your face, don't pull that fuckin' card. And it's certainly not like guys experience anxiety about dates, nooooope.
    I mean, once someone adds the word "patriarchy" to something, they've automatically lost my respect for their writing. You wanna see a patriarchal society, go to a fucking predominantly Muslim country and you'll see some fucking patriarchy. Go to one and then come back here and try to whine about the female treatment in a first-world country.
    These are the same fuckers that go on about privilege while toting their expensive cell phones, freedom to wear whatever the fuck they want, go where they want, date who they want. Ugh.
    This TRIGGERED my rage.

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    • Hugs until you calm down, but I 100% agree with you, some people just feel "a little" entitled lol they can't help riding such a high horse. One day they'll either bang their head on the top of the door frame or fall off, that's when they'll finally realise their mistake 😉

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    • @CheekyPaws Someone asked what she looks like

  • Nah. I never agreed with a man being expected to pay for a date especially if it’s a first date and you’re just trying to get to know eachother. Bring your own money and if you can’t afford it, suggest a place that doesn’t require spending a lot of money. Men aren’t here to be our personal piggy banks

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  • I don't know about this, but I for one offer to pay my own bill. And I think who's paying should be discussed before the date so there aren't any surprised discrepancy about it and we dont end up causing a scene in the establishment. Proper communication is key here in understanding the others beliefs on matters, so one can take the right steps to make the event together pleasurable for both individuals.

    In the end, I feel splitting the bill is the right step. Seeing as it provided both parties leeway in the direction of the date. It gives each other equal ground in that it serves so no side is felt the need to "compensate" the other one for paying. If you get what I mean. As well as if the date goes poorly, one isn't subjected to paying for a whole bad day.

    That's not to say one can't offer to pay, I've been in relationships where we've taken turns paying for things. Like if we went to the movies, he'd buy the tickets, and I'd pay for the snacks. Its fun knowing we both did something for the benefit of the other one. There should be a balance in things, you know. Because in all honesty, if the man feels like he's obligated or forced to pay, that sorta kills the whole "romantic gesture" of it all, don't you think? Things should be done out of good intention to WANT to do something for the person their with. If its forced there's no real sentiment rather than it is a strictured list one is doing.

    Times are different now, women aren't some stranded puppy looking for a man to support them. We have careers, paychecks, 401ks , etc. We can afford to pay for our man's steak once and a while. Same with him. Dates should be fun and compassionate, not judged and superiorized.

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  • Disagree. I dont know why there's an entitled attitude from women that a man should always pay on the first date, it's the polite thing to offer BUT if there's no chemistry and no potential second date then I think the fairest thing to do is split the cost straight down the middle. I'd never go in to a first date without money to cover costs, it's nice to feel spoiled and taken out but I'm not going to expect him to pay without at least offering to cover some of the cost.

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  • What a spoiled, pretentious, bratty, snot!

    She chose to spend money on hair, make-up, jewelry, and clothes, just to impress men. It's deceptive if she wasn't doing for herself because she wanted to! That would imply that she's going to let herself go once that ring is on her finger.

    "The emotional toll it takes on me getting ready to find out if a man is going to wine and dine me, or if I might actually have to pay for myself (shock!), is just so hard!"

    And she threatens to ignore you if you fuck up, denying you the chance to learn from what she considers a mistake? Childish!!

    Its women like this fueling the MGTOW movement.

    You men should thanks this woman for outing herself, enabling you to dodge the bullet.

    Why I feel first dates should be 50/50: if you have a horrible time, you risk the one paying sending a signal that all's well, and the one being treated will feel held ransom out of politeness or respect. By paying for yourself, you can duck out at any time of you're not feeling it, and the cost of the date won't be a factor of clouded judgments.

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    • MGTOW isn't a movement. But im glad its growing.

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    • @TheUglyMan I'm a sapiophile myself, and a sigma type female. Most of the men I've dated are "unattractive" or "ugly" by society's standard. I really truly couldn't care less about looks. A pretty face will mask an ugly heart. I'm so disgusted with most modern women in America, and with our youth, that I don't even try to go out and make friends, because I don't want to risk befriending any of those people. But I do completely understand why you would choose that path. I'm a fat chick, I'm used to being overlooked. But you know what? I'm me, and I love myself. I don't give a fuck what others think of me, and I'm perfectly happy with myself and my life.

    • That sounds awesome im a straight white male. Funny enough evry fat girl I've approached just flakes on me. I guess there's a lot of luck to it too

  • there's a reason she's single.. honestly reading this made me sad i can't believe there are girls this entitled , petty and stuck up

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    • She is also very materialistic... relationships shouldn't be about money me and my boyfriend do everything half and half we r both college students

    • And you wonder why men are growing more distant with women every day?

    • Not really its just sad that there are so many girls out there that care about superficial things rather then a true connection @Malik00

  • Recently my friend said she thinks it's gross if the man doesn't pay on the first date. I can't begin to understand her logic.. I feel the need to pay myself just to balance out honestly. Not just offering to pay or actually expecting him to pay, no. I want to prove I'm not about that. Men don't deserve to be treated like living purses

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  • having a guy pay for me, when i know he lives in an apartment, pays university and has no job besides during summer makes me feel really bad actually. On the other hand, I have a part time job and live with my parents. I don't want to pay for him either***
    but sometime i just tell the guy I ''pay for you you pay for me?'' lol

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  • Disagree. I believe in equality in time, effort, and finances in a relationship. But it also comes down to the WAY he delivers it. Like shouting very loudly at the beginning of the 1st date that he's not going to pay for your $3.25 coffee... I didn't want you to to start off with but now I'm starting to think that you have money issues?

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  • I agree a Guy should Pay on the First One, hun. However, One should see How the next One will be, As far as Dates go.
    Maybe if he Doesn't bring out his Wallet on the First date, Suggest on the Second date, That perhaps it is his Turn next or go Dutch.
    However, This is really Beside the Point. How is in General as a Date or even as a Mate? xx

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  • Too many rules as to what to do and when to do it while dating. I don't care if he pays. If we have a great time and want to see each other again, what does it matter. If you start your relationship off with how much he/she can do for you, where does it end?

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  • What she said & the fact that he's expecting or highly hoping for some sexual release as well & he is more than likely quantifying his politeness, how much he spent, etc. The chances of him ghosting her afterward is very high & normalized. Men want escort services without actually paying for one.

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  • No. She's making excuses. I would love to pay, or split the check. Either way, he's not paying for the full meal. That woman can go piss up a rope

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  • Whoever asks the person out on a date is the person who pays for the date.

    And whoever this girl is she needs to realize every reason she listed as to why women are expensive are choices. No one is making her buy makeup, hair products, perfume, shoes, lingerie, etc. She chooses to buy them.

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    • I especially like how she says “lingerie” as if that’s something you NEED. I mean you don’t need makeup, hair products, perfume or shoes either but lingerie is so ridiculous to be on that list as well. Why does she need lingerie for a first date? Jesus Christ.

    • Actually I guess she’s just saying she needs lingerie in general which is also ridiculous. Apparently she forgot that there’s people out here who don’t even have homes but.. she needs lingerie, ya know?

  • I don't know if it would be good to ghost him, but I'd definitely let him know that it wasn't very gentleman-like to not pay for the date. I wouldn't totally ghost him right away. But then again, that's just me. :)

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  • What happened to splitting the bill? and what if he's this amazing guy who's just going through a temporary rough patch? I'm a feminist I wouldn't ghost any guy because of it

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  • I don't write off people that easily, so even though I'm male and would pay on the first date, I'd advise a woman in this situation to take a 360 degree view of the date and what interested her in this guy in the first place. If she otherwise enjoyed the date and likes the guy, I'd urge her to go on an second date with him if he asks her on one. Although I normally advise a woman to ask a guy out on a second date if he doesn't ask her out pretty quickly, the fact that he didn't pay means he needs to do more to move things along and she shouldn't be the driving force for a second date.

    If she wasn't happy with the date beyond the issue of him not paying and doesn't want to see him again, then i think she should provide some feedback to him explaining why, but unemotionally and matter-of-fact. As a guy, I like to have feedback even if it's negative so that I can think about what went wrong and what I need to do better or different the next time. There's no need to ghost in this particular situation.

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  • So... everyone should pay my way. I went to an expensive college, but can't find a decent job. I will most likely earn less than a woman my whole life, because most of the women I would meet are probably in better paying jobs. So she should always pay my way. NOPE!

    Of course, I would probably ask a woman out, and probably pay (I figure the person who asks offers to treat the other, unless they offer to "go Dutch.") but if this was that much of a "second date deal breaker," I don't think we would agree with much on principle and would not be a second date match anyway.

    Also: Why would someone ghost a guy (or a guy ghost a girl) over something like that? If I was that ticked off about something, I wouldn't "ghost" over it.

    A woman who has this sort of thing in her head is looking for me to make a mistake so she can shut me down. I'm not interested in someone who's ready to pounce on me for anything I could do or couldn't do and have a reason behind everything. I just want to enjoy the date without feeling like a trained seal.

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  • Disagree for three reasons

    1) Women make *on average* 79c on the dollar that a man makes because women also opt for lower paying jobs, work less hours, are more likely to take years of hiatus from their jobs for maternity leave etc. When you account for all variables (equal hours, job selection, years of experience etc.), and look at it from an even perspective, women make equal to what a man makes. This doesn't mean women deal with 0 workplace related sexism, but the wage gap has been widely disproven, over and over again.

    2) Women spend all that money on makeup, clothes etc. for themselves. They know damn well men don't really care too much about that stuff, nor do we even notice a lot of it, they just like to get done up and look pretty for themselves. Men's formal wear is expensive, too. If she's spending hours getting ready for the date and wearing a 600$ dress, this guy is not showing up in a salvation army shirt and some 10$ jeans. Choosing to do something for yourself and telling others they should pay you for it is beyond lazy.

    3) Men are often used by women for their money. How ridiculous would a man who said "I work more hours than you do to make more money than you do and spent it on you, therefore you have to have sex with me otherwise I'm not taking you on a second date" sound? Most women would be up in arms about a man saying something like that. Women have many reasons to not want to have sex with somebody on the first date, he may only want that, he could be trying to use her for sex, she doesn't owe him her body simply because they went on a date etc. Every single one of those rules applies in reverse when talking about a man spending money on a women whom he does not know very well. The logic that a woman has, not only the right to, but, the expectation to make a man prove that he is a worthy partner prior to having sex with him in case he is trying to use her, but men don't have the right to attempt to take a women out on a few dates to judge her character prior to deciding whether they would like to spend their money on her is ridiculous.

    Men use women for certain things, women use men for certain things. When it comes to dating, women are allowed to vet a man to make sure he isn't trying to use her, meanwhile a man is supposed to spend all his money on a girl who has his number saved in her phone as "Free Meal" in hopes that she isn't using him? It's completely illogical. She just sounds cheap.

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  • For Christ sakes, did she copy and paste that argument from feminism 101. The wage gap is the median income between men and women irrespective of their job. Men tend to go into fields that are more demanding and thus higher paying, and tend to work longer, harder, and take less time off than women. Does sexism play a role in the gap, maybe, but probably like.5 a cent or smaller.

    Maybe some men are taught to view women as weak and must be protected and provided for, but most guys are taught to respect and cherish women. Because women are the one who will bring new life into the world. So maybe it's just a kind gesture of our gratitude when we pay for the first date.

    No one is making women buy expensive shoes, jewelry, clothes, and makeup. No one is also making you put that stuff on, for just regular everyday activities.

    Lastly, women and men are not entitled to be dated. You don't owe anyone your time and effort and neither do they. You earn it.

    Should men pay for the first date, yeah, because I'm grateful for women. But don't use oppressed victim ideology bullshit to justify it, because no one owes you a thing in life.

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  • You are the one misinformed, the wage gap has been busted A BILLION TIMES. But no you just won't accept when you've lost will you? This is what I mean with feminists and their bullshit statistics, but once again let ME inform YOU about it: men and women do not earn the same, this is correct, but do they earn the same wage for the same job: yes they do. Women however choose for a family far more quickly than a man, therefore a man focuses on his job, and guess what, he works longer hours on a higher end job, therefore he earns more. So yeah misses feminist, I do know your movement better than you do, but you seem to not accept that, and that is entirely your own fault. I mean godsake, do you really think that a business (hint, they're built around the most profit and the least expenses) would hire men over women if men were way more expensive than women? I mean its literally forbidden by law to pay a person less than another person doing the exact same job at the same level with the same capacities and work hours, but yeah no every company ever breaks the law all the time and no one gets punished (hint, you're delusional if you actually think this)

    But whatever, call me mysogynistic, and i'll let you off with a movie quote in response: "frankly dear, I don't give a damn"

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    • Oh if only my replies wouldn't post as separate comments

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    • her" sorry typo.

    • Ah alright, well I suppose you are right, but I can't stand people who deny the truth when the proof is lying in front of them, so I had to vent

  • First off, the wage gap is not accurate. It does not take into account the percentage of women working in different sectors before working out the amount paid to women is less than to men. I mean , duh. If there's less women in an office than men, the men collectively paid more. It must also be considered that some careers are chosen by men more than women , and vice versa. So the wage gap thingy isn't based on good evidence.
    Next, i personally dont expect a girl to doll up much for a date. For me, simple and neat is what i like. True that the makeup is expensive. However, no one says you need to wear new clothes to a date. Just wear something nice and decent.
    Emotionally speaking, it takes a toll on both women and men, in different ways. Men are worried that they dont cater to their date's needs enough. Similarly for women who ask men out. And those being asked out also feel stressed to be conservative so as to not cost too much. Also, emotional toll cannot be repaid with cold, hard cash.
    I personally like to pay for others (not just my date , even for friends). I find that i like putting smiles on their faces like that. Its just my nature. But it will be nice if someone offers to treat me once in awhile.

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    • I would never expect her to pay though. Cuz like i said i like treating people. Not because i wanna guilt trick them into giving me something in return (eg sex, a second date, etc...), but because , i just like treating people and watching them enjoy. If you really feel guilty that i paid for the date, just get me a coffee in the morning. Or tip the waiter, if culture applies.
      If the girl asks me out, however, i would still offer to pay. If she insists, i would go dutch. I dont want her to feel useless or that she is guilty of making me come to the date and having me pay all expenses. Worse come to worse, if she really wants , she can pay for my bus ride home. Nothing more. I am not a freeloader who doesn't pay for his share.

  • Split the bill tf. Money doesn't grow on trees for men. You shouldn't pay the bill unless it's a full on relationship. But even then. Sometimes the man can pay sometimes the female can pay. It should be like a turn thing. One shouldn't pay for other more times.

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  • That's funny. I definitively pay for the first date (but just cause i'm usually the one inviting the girl) but i don't think i should. Also cause i know girls capable of spending 100+$ in alchool, puke on your dress/car and expect you to go bed with them the same night. No, definitively not good. As a PERSON, you should HAVE THE MONEY and TRY TO PAY your half of the date. Then, as a MAN, i MUST stop you and tell "it's on me"

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  • 1. Even if as a woman you earn about 79% of what a man in the same position would earn, this is actually not even true for all countries. This is only how it works in the US.
    2. Even if you earn less percentually, it's possible that the guy has a job that pays him less to begin with. In that position it would be unfair to force the guy with a lower income to pay for everything.
    3. Emotional toll that dating takes on you? Nobody forced you to go out and date with the guy. That was your decision. Either date or don't date, or date someone who you really like. Don't pick something against your will to complain about it later.
    4. If she's against the patriarchy, why be in favour for it when it's handy for her? Either be fully against it, or not. There's no inbetweens.
    5. If she berates someone that is too cheap to pay for a round, I understand that. But don't berate someone for doing something that she herself would never even do.

    Tl;dr
    Too many logical fallacies in this piece of text to take it seriously. Sure, guys should pay for the woman they're on a date with from time to time. But if you want equality, you need to be prepared to follow through on your own morals and pay for him from time to time as well.

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  • I actually say to a prospective first date BEFOREHAND: "Hey, on this first date, let's pay for our own food / drinks, that way if the date doesn't go well, we can smile, nod, and walk away without any regret or obligations."

    Just me personally.

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  • "We just want to, for once, feel a little special." lmao yes Princess. First of all women are definitely more fragile physically than men and are more helpless in a physical test or job such as the minimum requirements of the army physically and mining. While men are more weaker on the mental state. If a guy does not offer to split the bill he is an asshole. My opinion is Dutch. The girl is a asshole for not offering as well. Chivalry is dead and you girls killed it. If she does offer and he accepts it he is most likely not going to get that second date anyways and men pay all the time why shouldn't they pay to make us special? we don't want to feel special. Because only men should make girls special, Right? And really the wage gap again... Have you ever wondered why girls "statisticly". Make less than men? Because when they graduate they usually work for a guy, they don't want to make a business, they don't want to work overtime and they could get paid for 9 months for being pregnant.(nothing wrong with this but is to the detriment of the business and is seen as a loan) generally girls don't work for a impressive house or car and so on... Most of them still depend on men. At the end of the day women usually cause a lot of trouble in their lives (divorce, financial, break ups etc.) and end up making the men pay for it. Step up women! and show us who can wear the pants in a relationship.

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  • I have kind of a weird position with this because, yes, I do like to pay for shit on dates.

    But you know what will pretty much guarantee that I'm not spending a cent on your ass?
    An attitude like this.

    When I pay for dates, I do it because it's something I want to do, not because it's "in the deal."

    If there's anything I can't stand, it's the whole business-arrangement approach to relationships. If I sense that same attitude in a girl, she becomes an instant castaway.

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  • I do believe men should pay (or make a good faith effort to pay) for first dates. I guess I'm a little traditional that way.

    At the same time, I wouldn't date a women who felt entitled and victimized like that girl. That's just a waste of my time.

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  • Anyone who expects me to pay all on the first date, will be the last time I see her. Doesn't matter if I earn more.

    I mean, seriously - you don't know me yet and you're no longer willing to help? What if we get together? What then? I pay for all?
    First dates are about setting impressions. If the impression you're setting is that you rely on me, then I'm sorry. I would want to date someone who is independent and mature.

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  • Jesus Christ. Dump that sexist, man hating resentful girl immediately and run for the hills !!! She has a chip on her shoulder the size of Colorado! Ruuuuuunnnnn and never look back !!! Run buddy, run!

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  • I think if a girl asks you to go to a restaurant there she probably just wants to be friends so you would split the check I'm more traditional so personally I think the guy should ask the girl out and pay for the meal but if you're just going out as friends then you split the check

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  • Honestly if you still believe the wage gap your part of the problem, that doesn't take into account hours worked, types of jobs and skill level required... I think if you ignore them, simply because they want to split the bill which is mostly yours by the sounds of it your the dilusional one

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  • First off her using the womens pay rate excuse is a load of big cow doodoo. If you look behind the statistics a lot of women dont go for high paying jobs yes sometimes its the case they dont earn as much but give it time. I know more men investors then women for example. Just take it woth a third persons position. Fuck paying for a girl when she wouldn't do the same for you. #standards in equality is still mega messed up. Think about it.

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  • I totally disagree and am asexual.
    You're mad at him because he's showing a non stereotypical sexist behavior?

    Have any idea of his financial situation and if not is it the most important thing you're looking for?

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  • If you're mad about the gender pay gap I probably shouldn't tell you there's a lot more skipped math in that statement than you realise, by that logic Asian men make 25 cents more on every dollar. What I'm saying is there's a forest to investigate and you're on a single tree

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