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It's actually pretty sad how much effort you've put into putting this little argument together if you think about it...
@princessfromjupiter You can think whatever you like. Doesn't change that I get a lot of pussy, because I know how women work. Did you have an argument, or did you wanna just attack me a bit? Either way is fine.
If 80% of women go for 20% of men or however many (you imagined it to be again), that implies that at any point in time only 20% of people to exist in whatever society you based yourself on for this strange little analogy, will be in a genuine relationship. This figure makes absolutely 0 sense in the real world however, no matter what society you look at. Your theory also makes 0 sense biologically AND psychologically though. Everyone is subconsciously looking for someone with superior genes, to produce superior offspring - it’s simply a survival instinct. Everyone also always acts in their own best interest. Therefore everyone will at any point aspire to „date up“. It’s a social fact. Any argument that men are less picky therefore inherently applies that they are idiots who would voluntarily fall victim to natural selection.
@princessfromjupiter I'd totally agree, on most of that. The thing is, availability and desirability dictates *how far* one can date up. What those stats showed was that females perceived males on dating apps as significantly less valuable than they actually were. 80% cannot be below average, but women rated them that way. It's not what they wanted, but *how they perceived*. IRL diffThis is the state of human courtship. The male demonstrates his value; the female decides. That's how we are, as mammals. The male must prove he is worth risking an egg and potential death. It makes easy sense that females would have higher standards, given the inherent risks involved with sex, no? Maternal death rates are *still* astoundingly high in the U. S. But instinctually, women *need* to know the male is high value. Men do not have that risk, so they are able to be less picky. Sperm is most efficiently used by using as much as possible. Eggs are best used when you *know* they will be high quality.
@princessfromjupiter Oh, you're from the Netherlands. And you're hot. I'm of largely Dutch descent. What's it like over there?So, since women are more picky, and they control sex [by determining which males reproduce and which don't], that means females--on average--have many more choices ['cept for the top 20% of males who have all the choices]. Hence the graph.Simply put. Women are more desired. Because female value is innate, due to male un-pickiness; while male value must be proven via action. That 80/20 study showed that only very few males have *default* value to women. Basically: women have to be romanced and/or convinced, where males are *already* convinced based primarily on appearance [though, she must prove her long-term value].Anyways, I'm not using this as, "Woe are we males--curses to female advantages". I'm looking at it objectively and saying, "This is how it is, so we must adapt and grow, while understanding what our respective challenges are."
I agree with this. True for the most part. I can break it down simply, men are more physical and women are more emotional.
Men always go for more attractive women because there is really an endless supply of "more attractive" women, whatever that means exactly. Dating up or down has nothing to do with looks, it has to do with class. Class is rare, the top 10% of earners in the US, well I am just guestimating here but maybe 70% are men, and 75% of them are married. So that leaves about 1% of them eligible. Now on the looks side, every year, a ton of 17 year old single women turn 18. LOL. So its really all about the income.
@Ayer93 The up and down is a rich man dating a younger attractive girl. That is what dating up and down means.
@Ayer93 I dont agree with that really. Men are incredibly emotional, they're also emotionally attached to the idea that theyre not emotional, which has never been supported by any psychological or neurological evidence. It's cultural myth without sound logic to support it, which requires evidence. In fact, many, including myself, would say men may actually be more emotional across the board. Women are understood to be more in touch with (aware of, less afraid of, and not socially discouraged away from) their emotions. Nothing scientific has ever found men to be less emotional. Men are encouraged to diminish women down to looks. A lot of this is far more social and psychological than biologically inherent. You can usually count on anything you've been taught to be biologically inherent to be false. Society does a great job at lying to gullible, uneducated people, which is most people. Social conditioning and environment mean a lot in how we view and treat others.
@bamesjond0069 I believe I addressed class in my answer, for those who may be thinking of that, so... Some people also imply looks as well so I included that. And most men are not anything close to wealthy, so across the board the posited statement in the question couldnt be said to be a general rule at all. Its a reality on realized on the margins of society and has nothing to do with most women. Even most wealthy men end up with women who either have acquired wealth or come from wealth as well. Either that or they date up in terms of looks. And a lot of this also goes back to my previous point about how we are socialized. There are a lot of different salaries before the top 10%. Many men still believe they should be the provider and have inferiority complexes when dating women who make more money. Thats changing somewhat, but the insecurity is real. I've even experienced that and I'm not even making that much money yet. I weep for my future as a doctor, Oy.
The wealthier a man is the more likely he is to date someone "below" him in terms of education, class, income. Think of it like this, everyone has 100 points. You can spread them over intelligence, looks, formal education, income, personality. So some people will have lots of points in one category but at the expense of another. So if you are a higher income man, you can specifically look to women who have little to nothing in the income and education buckets to find girls who are higher in physical attractiveness and personality. So obviously if you make a good income, looks are way more important than money. If you are a broke dude, you aren't going to be making that trade off so easily.Now when you say average joes. They are actually not the low man on the totem pole. Women mostly are like 99% end up in normal society. Men though have the bottom I don't know guessing 15% of the population of men are in jail, dead early, basement dwelling incels. So no the average joe is actually a step up.
@Anon you’re a god. Thank you for posting that (and ur comments). I really want to make people aware of this but they end up getting defensive because they’re too emotionally attached to their own ideas. Especially men. They end up calling me an angry feminist. LOL
Girlfriend you watch too much tv
@John_Bouff i could just go through my yearbook class of 600 and it would prove my point.
What's wrong with being bald anyway
@John_Bouff it is considered less attractive then say, leonardo dicaprio's hair. but better then a comb over. i date a bald guy. how many bald women have you dated? just citing stardard measures of beauty.
I only date bald women
@John_Bouff lucky you
listen to the joe jackson song "is she really going out with him". says it all.
I just became homo cause women are weird
@John_Bouff EVERYTHING IS WRONG WITH BEING BALD
@Volvagia Elephants are bald too
@John_Bouff elephants are wrong
@Volvagia They are majestic animals
@John_Bouff then go have sex with one. report back
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But being old or young doesn’t equal ugly or beautiful automatically?
It just the experience that I only attractive to younger men.
Dating up or down has nothing to do with intellectual abilities or looks or anything like that. It is strictly wealth. Younger girls date wealthy men. That is what it means.
@bamesjond0069 "has nothing to do with intellectual abilities"It has a lot to do with intelligence.Class is more than wealth. It is primarily education. Education, intelligence, and income are all correlated with each other.
Nobody calls an average girl dating an intelligent but poor man "dating up". The sole factor is financial status.
@bamesjond0069 If he were intelligent, he wouldn't be poor.
Um, there are tons of poor intelligent people. And there are some dumb wealthy people.
Attractive guys focus on the wrong thing: A lot of these guys get the muscles and fail a lot with women, then fat and ugly pays attention to him and he settles. He doesn't hold onto his courage.Beautiful women tend to focus on the wrong thing: A partner with 6 figures would do, a partner who is ambitious would do, but why do that when you can get an ugly rich dude who can provide it NOW? Worse comes to worse, you can always divorce him. As a result, a lot of women are ending up single: Hypergamy is working against her.
@Wammu Some attractive people get cocky and in the end it work for them.What you said, sound really logic. I didn't thought of that, I just thought they didn't cared much about their partner attractivness.
dang haha, what's up with all the hate. It's true XD
@vishna Something I've noticed about women. . . . A lot of y'all have this ego problem. . . . Well, not YOU of course, you find it funny and I find that admirable. But, a lot of girls will just cross their arms, petulantly glare and say : "fuck you."They know the reality, they know that part of themselves exist, they just don't want to accept it.
@Wammuor... it’s not true, but you keep acting like it is. Ever thought of that possibility?
@silverqueen No, because here you are.
@Wammu lmao. Guys, it's really not that deep. For reference-I'm from a low income family and have always dated up in terms of wealth but mostly down in looks or intelligence until I got older and initiated more.
@Wammu Oh yeah absolutely. Because men are little humble doves. zero ego. @vishna Yeah I know. I’ve never dated up or down, I tend to date across. In the sense that I always date within my age group and looks. And wealth is quite irrelevant to me.
@silverqueen Oh, it's definitely irrelevant to me too. I'm putting it out there though because it's a fact. As soon as I went off to college-most of the men were from wealthy families or gearing towards high paying jobs.
@silverqueen funny thing. Our egos stem from our accomplishments, your ego stems from having a pussy and breathing.
@Wammu dude stop...
I do what I want.
It's funny, because I've got a six-pack, I'm 6"2 mountain of muscle, a nice face, got some game and I get rejected a LOT. . . I don't think y'all really care about a guys looks, and those of you who do only really bring them up to make yourselves sound better than you really are.
Women who are gorgeous also get rejected if they present your clearly egotistical attitude. No one wants a narcissistic person as their date. Not even men.
@silverqueen You think I'm egotistical? Because what? I listed my good traits? Oh, maybe I should lead with :"I'm a nice guy!".Yep, leave it to a woman to call a guy a narcissist for knowing what he's worth.
@silverqueen Also, silverqueen? Really? "queen" after Nikki Minaj and every Instagram girl turns it into a cliché? And you think I'm egotistical?
Not only egotistical but also extremely defensive...
@silverqueen A passing grade in psych 101 means you can translate annoyed by your completely uncalled for comment to defensive?
I’m currently getting my Master’s in Psych actually. You’d be right to say you know more if you had a PhD
“I don’t think y’all really care about a guys looks”THAT comment was uncalled for. Because if we didn’t we wouldn’t be heterosexual and we wouldn’t fuck you.
@Wammu Actually we care a lot about looks, at least most women I know. But perhaps there's something else going on why you're being rejected. I can't say what because I don't see you in action trying to meet girls. I'm also trying to figure out why I get ignored a lot when I try to talk to guys. I've been told I'm attractive, but I've been ignored and brushed off by guys when I'm just trying to make conversation, not even trying to pick up on them or anything. I wonder if I'm doing something wrong. I heard one good looking, super rich guy kept getting rejected because he was giving women the creeps the way he held his gaze too long. It might be something you're doing or it might be the women you're pursuing. Hard to say.
@silverqueen I've dated a lot of women and had a lot of arguments and I've learned one simple rule. . . I will NEVER trust any of you on your word, especially in situations like this.
@silverqueen your masters in psych? Congrats, spending 100k+ on a degree with little to no work available for the inception of your career.
@Travelingmouse That's honestly a very relatable and real answer and I feel very good that you shared that with me.
@Wammu Yeah... except when you get a scholarship. A full scholarship. Little to no work available? You live under a rock don’t you?
@silverqueen yep. Thats exactly it. I've been living under a rock and haven't done logistics myself and conferred with a group on the rate of employment per major relative to time of graduation.
Your attempt at ridiculing my comment through sarcasm is quite pathetic. But it’s true, you have zero clue as to what you’re talking about, yet you act like you know everything about MY career. Funny 😅
@Wammu you're being called a narcissist because of narcissistic traits, I was just gonna say that you're probably an asshole, super boring, or both
@EsketitJack does it always have to be internet psychology with you people? Shouldn't a person who has worked hard for his good points just say them without being called a narcissist? And does every response to trash talk and name calling always have to be seen as a calling card for some psychological weakness when in reality: nobody likes trash talk?
www.court-records.net/.../bratworth-normal(c).gifSorry but can you please elaborate further? Who is "They"?
@UnknownXYZ guys who date down
www.court-records.net/.../...rth-determined(c).gifBecause guys who date down don't want to give the hope of getting laid? Is this what you mean?
Ur 52 get off this app
@JimmyGithens go play with your trucks and cars
Thing is - guys who have something going on are already on the top, so they can barely date up.
@Benedek38 lol. That's true. They're up 😆
lol my sympathies :(( are you hot
are you an eight?
@howlyz probably a 7
do we know each other? :P lol
@howlyz Nigga, get out and meet people. . . .
@Wammu no man, this is important
I am just joking mostly, with her and other girls here too, it's mostly just fun but yeah, you are right, everyone should get out and meet people, I do that too