The last article you wrote did a pretty good job of describing women going their own way and why women don't need men anymore. MGTOW is a natural reaction to the destructive words and behavior that men have had to listen to from women going back to the late 1960's. So guess what? We don't need women either!
No, from my understanding, MGTOW is supposed to be about a man putting himself first. That's how I saw it. I am not MGTOW. I do go my own way, but I have a lady to go with me. Lots of other dudes used it to bash women in the same way that women use feminism to bash men. It's all sad.
"... it's not going to make any significant difference."
Check your facts. Marriage and childbirth rates are at their lowest levels in decades, record lows in some countries. This due in large part to men removing themselves from the grossly inequitable equations of heterosexual relationships and marriage. It's already made a big difference, and there's no indication the trend will slow down, let alone stop.
Marriage drop is because of men realising how bad marriage is for us. I agree with mtgow on marriage and child birth is a result of that ( as most people want marriage before children)
Dating however hasn't gone down and is actually rising as one night stands are more common.
I think the MGTOW movement is dumb for the most part. A lot of them seem to be whiners. Some of them have sense tho. But honestly... they have no affect on my life at all. So I don’t really care.
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I used to be all against it when it first appeared. I figured it was stupid to give up on women, I called these guys losers, even though I was a virgin myself, I didn't have such a quitter mentality. Years went by, I got rejected by tons and tons of women more on top of the billion rejections I already had, and in the end I became the very thing I laughed at. I don't officially identify with MGTOW or participate in any groups and meetings, but I have given up on women and accepted the fact that I will never know what it feels like to kiss someone on the lips. So for some guys, this kind of life is almost inevitable...
Personally i can relate to MGTOW. Much of what is discussed hits home on a personal level. I must also say that, unfortunately, some guys that identify with MGTOW have serious (and perhaps extreme) woman issues.
Me... I am probably more of a purple pill that a red pill. DEFINITELY NOT a blue pill.
Get used to it. Times are changing. So often now if you ask a single guy if they want a woman the response is hell no! Guys still crave sex but are no longer interested in the drama and BS associated with being in a serious relationship. MGTOW was born out of men being fucked over in divorce court and till the laws are changed it will continue to grow.
Get used to it?😂🤣 men dont have many options. us women do. do I care about these mgtow? No, I dont date pussys. they sound like pussys to me. what are they gonna do butt fuck each other? lol they'll always need a woman😂😂😂🤣
Together with feminism it is the strongest force in the western world that tries to convince men and women not to procreate. It only makes material arguments like feminism does, it only cares about immediate financial well being and assets. It cares not about community building. It is terribly accelerationist and reactionary.
Feminism in my opinion is way different from mgtow. women have never had right like men have. weve always been encouraged to get married, have kids, dont get an education, and be housewives. Men have never experienced what we have. mgtow doesn't compare
I disagree. In Europe the vast majority of women AND men were peasants. Only few noble families had access to education for the majority of the 3000 years that European civilization exists. Men were always encouraged to get married, have kids, dont get an education and go die in war for the gain of some noble.
Women have rights in America, I don't know about other countries. They can work, and have all the problems that come with working, like bills, taxes, blah, blah.
Do they have shit that happens to them that doesn't to men, and vice versa. Those are the things that have to be addressed.
@SouthernGirl23 so your saying men where never encouraged to get married and have kids? Thats absurd, that is completely absurd, they where always pushed towards it. They never had more rights then women, but they sure as hell had more responsibilities. Women couldn't vote? Neither could men. The only reason why you can claim that women didn't have the right to vote is because men got it a whole 67 years before women did and even then it was only because they where forced against their will to go into the military and form bucket brigades and posses etc. Women actively fought AGAINST their right to vote because they didn't want the responsibilities that men had. Women where able to do what ever they want and had fewer restriction then men had.
So they took a vow of celibacy and choose to avoid women in the romantic sense? I personally don’t mind, more for me.
Feminism pretty much means equality for everyone but this really seems to go over the heads of people or they willingly choose to ignore it on some trolling purpose.
So if men feel “threatened “ by women and choose not to accept them is perfectly fine with me and everyone else
Sounds like self-preservation to me. No penalties for anything you do, men eating out of the palm of your hand simply because you exist and limitless government money? Sheeeiiit why wouldn't MGTOW develop? THEN you mock the men who walk away from a bad deal? Fuck outta here.
What leverage do men have over women in the modern world? Deals are made with people who have leverage. I have money you have stuff, I want that stuff WAY more than I need this money. YOU have leverage in this instance and can name your price. Men have no leverage women have the ultimate alpha male, the government, they can whup your ass with the police, destroy your finances with child support and alimony, ruin your reputation with the media, and take your freedom with the #BelieveWomen court system.
Collectively men have leverage because they ARE the police, the courts, the media, the politicians etc but... women are the majority of voters, and consumers of garbage media.
Again MGTOW is a perfectly reasonable response. Nobody is getting beheaded... yet.
I don't know what kind of deals you've been trying to make, you've kind of lost me. I'm just not worried about any of that because it's all bullshit. People aren't out to get you like that unless you're going out of your way to make enemies out of them.
And the #BelieveWomen thing I've never heard of. Maybe because I'm in the UK, we still have the "so he did this? Cool, prove it." system.
But yeah, you do you. Doesn't affect me so I don't know why I care. I just think it's mad 😂
@demonics you, are honestly crazy. i don't think you realise how crazy you sound. " they can whup your ass with the police, destroy your finances with child support and alimony, ruin your reputation with the media, and take your freedom with the #BelieveWomen court system" - You know, unless you are responsible enough with your own actions and the boundaries you set, then these types of women will come into your life. Yes, gold diggers/users exist, but to join mgtow in rebellion of women from the mistakes of others is childish. i survived an abusive relationship and i haven't woke up one morning and gone OH.. men are this, that the other, i'll join a man hating group. everyone has pain, truth is feminism and mgtow are just a cry for attention/help that will never end because nobody ever seems to see eye to eye. but i'm guessing i sound stupid to you, as is the usual response of an mgtow.
Regardless of political feelings, when boy meets girl it's all thrown aside. I think both extreme feminism and mgtow are silly. Humans are driven by hormones to make babies. Not much you can do about that.
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I agree with most of MGTOW and you women kinda put yourself in a bad spot now we don't like you anymore
yeah we will fuck a girl but actually like you women NOPE!!!
you women are stupid you women like evil and you look to take advantage so yeah
what's the point of keeping you around? there is no reason cause the sex is not worth it or good enough
If I do go ''my own way'' - I'd certainly not need a ''movement'' for this. It's a ridiculous and pathetic way to respond to ''social pressures''. Girlish, if you ask me.
mgtow is the male version of 21st century feminism. they hate women and don't want to admit it, they try to be the good people. i understand some of what they go after, but for the most part they generalize women across the board doing stupid things
When I first heard about MGTOW I thought it's exactly what's in the name: men that go their own way. I was disappointed to learn it primarly consists of bitter, let's call them, men, for lack of a better word.
I feel bad for them. I wrote a MyTake about MGTOW kind of making fun of them but honestly I think they’re victims of the echo chamber effect and propaganda. They think women are practically evil.
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The last article you wrote did a pretty good job of describing women going their own way and why women don't need men anymore. MGTOW is a natural reaction to the destructive words and behavior that men have had to listen to from women going back to the late 1960's. So guess what? We don't need women either!
Men can't live without sex. unless you guys screw each other in the butt.
there is also, sex robot companions, call girls, fleshlites, tossing one off. And yes, men can actually live while out sex.
No, from my understanding, MGTOW is supposed to be about a man putting himself first. That's how I saw it.
I am not MGTOW. I do go my own way, but I have a lady to go with me.
Lots of other dudes used it to bash women in the same way that women use feminism to bash men.
It's all sad.
Men have always put themselves first. there's nothing new about that
I see their points but they go about it incorrectly.
Women have so much choice in dating they have gotten ridiculously picky.
Removing themselves from dating does reduce the amount of choice women have but it's not going to make any significant difference.
Having more men's movements is always a good thing as well.
"... it's not going to make any significant difference."
Check your facts. Marriage and childbirth rates are at their lowest levels in decades, record lows in some countries. This due in large part to men removing themselves from the grossly inequitable equations of heterosexual relationships and marriage. It's already made a big difference, and there's no indication the trend will slow down, let alone stop.
Marriage drop is because of men realising how bad marriage is for us.
I agree with mtgow on marriage and child birth is a result of that ( as most people want marriage before children)
Dating however hasn't gone down and is actually rising as one night stands are more common.
@Chaz269
It will stop when other groups such as the Muslims who have high birthrates outbreed Westerners and it becomes Muslim.
I think the MGTOW movement is dumb for the most part. A lot of them seem to be whiners. Some of them have sense tho.
But honestly... they have no affect on my life at all. So I don’t really care.
I used to be all against it when it first appeared. I figured it was stupid to give up on women, I called these guys losers, even though I was a virgin myself, I didn't have such a quitter mentality. Years went by, I got rejected by tons and tons of women more on top of the billion rejections I already had, and in the end I became the very thing I laughed at. I don't officially identify with MGTOW or participate in any groups and meetings, but I have given up on women and accepted the fact that I will never know what it feels like to kiss someone on the lips. So for some guys, this kind of life is almost inevitable...
Personally i can relate to MGTOW. Much of what is discussed hits home on a personal level. I must also say that, unfortunately, some guys that identify with MGTOW have serious (and perhaps extreme) woman issues.
Me... I am probably more of a purple pill that a red pill. DEFINITELY NOT a blue pill.
Get used to it. Times are changing. So often now if you ask a single guy if they want a woman the response is hell no! Guys still crave sex but are no longer interested in the drama and BS associated with being in a serious relationship. MGTOW was born out of men being fucked over in divorce court and till the laws are changed it will continue to grow.
Get used to it?😂🤣 men dont have many options. us women do. do I care about these mgtow? No, I dont date pussys. they sound like pussys to me. what are they gonna do butt fuck each other? lol they'll always need a woman😂😂😂🤣
Lol they'll always need women.
😂😂🤣🤣
Well I am not going to give up because of what the MGTOW people say. The way I see it just leaves more women for me to choose from. lol...
Together with feminism it is the strongest force in the western world that tries to convince men and women not to procreate. It only makes material arguments like feminism does, it only cares about immediate financial well being and assets. It cares not about community building. It is terribly accelerationist and reactionary.
Feminism in my opinion is way different from mgtow. women have never had right like men have. weve always been encouraged to get married, have kids, dont get an education, and be housewives. Men have never experienced what we have. mgtow doesn't compare
" women have never had right like men have.
Women have rights!! Whoever said they don't is lying to you!!
Damn!!
I disagree. In Europe the vast majority of women AND men were peasants. Only few noble families had access to education for the majority of the 3000 years that European civilization exists. Men were always encouraged to get married, have kids, dont get an education and go die in war for the gain of some noble.
@GreatnessBack you have no experience with women do you? lol it shows. talk less please
@esoteric that's Europe
True, In other parts of the world it went differently, world history is not tied together.
Women have rights in America, I don't know about other countries. They can work, and have all the problems that come with working, like bills, taxes, blah, blah.
Do they have shit that happens to them that doesn't to men, and vice versa.
Those are the things that have to be addressed.
Honestly, there is NO law that says women can't do anything.
If so, name one.
@SouthernGirl23 so your saying men where never encouraged to get married and have kids? Thats absurd, that is completely absurd, they where always pushed towards it. They never had more rights then women, but they sure as hell had more responsibilities. Women couldn't vote? Neither could men. The only reason why you can claim that women didn't have the right to vote is because men got it a whole 67 years before women did and even then it was only because they where forced against their will to go into the military and form bucket brigades and posses etc. Women actively fought AGAINST their right to vote because they didn't want the responsibilities that men had. Women where able to do what ever they want and had fewer restriction then men had.
So they took a vow of celibacy and choose to avoid women in the romantic sense? I personally don’t mind, more for me.
Feminism pretty much means equality for everyone but this really seems to go over the heads of people or they willingly choose to ignore it on some trolling purpose.
So if men feel “threatened “ by women and choose not to accept them is perfectly fine with me and everyone else
I think the whole movement is just a massive overreaction caused by frustration with modern feminism.
I'm not happy with the way feminism operates at present but this to me seems like a childish and frankly, insane response to it.
Sounds like self-preservation to me. No penalties for anything you do, men eating out of the palm of your hand simply because you exist and limitless government money? Sheeeiiit why wouldn't MGTOW develop? THEN you mock the men who walk away from a bad deal? Fuck outta here.
I mean, I can see what you're saying but it's a very cynical world view. It's only a bad deal if YOU are bad at making deals.
What leverage do men have over women in the modern world? Deals are made with people who have leverage. I have money you have stuff, I want that stuff WAY more than I need this money. YOU have leverage in this instance and can name your price. Men have no leverage women have the ultimate alpha male, the government, they can whup your ass with the police, destroy your finances with child support and alimony, ruin your reputation with the media, and take your freedom with the #BelieveWomen court system.
Collectively men have leverage because they ARE the police, the courts, the media, the politicians etc but... women are the majority of voters, and consumers of garbage media.
Again MGTOW is a perfectly reasonable response. Nobody is getting beheaded... yet.
I don't know what kind of deals you've been trying to make, you've kind of lost me.
I'm just not worried about any of that because it's all bullshit. People aren't out to get you like that unless you're going out of your way to make enemies out of them.
And the #BelieveWomen thing I've never heard of. Maybe because I'm in the UK, we still have the "so he did this? Cool, prove it." system.
But yeah, you do you. Doesn't affect me so I don't know why I care. I just think it's mad 😂
@demonics you, are honestly crazy. i don't think you realise how crazy you sound.
" they can whup your ass with the police, destroy your finances with child support and alimony, ruin your reputation with the media, and take your freedom with the #BelieveWomen court system" - You know, unless you are responsible enough with your own actions and the boundaries you set, then these types of women will come into your life. Yes, gold diggers/users exist, but to join mgtow in rebellion of women from the mistakes of others is childish.
i survived an abusive relationship and i haven't woke up one morning and gone OH.. men are this, that the other, i'll join a man hating group. everyone has pain, truth is feminism and mgtow are just a cry for attention/help that will never end because nobody ever seems to see eye to eye.
but i'm guessing i sound stupid to you, as is the usual response of an mgtow.
Regardless of political feelings, when boy meets girl it's all thrown aside. I think both extreme feminism and mgtow are silly. Humans are driven by hormones to make babies. Not much you can do about that.
I agree with most of MGTOW and
you women kinda put yourself in a bad spot now
we don't like you anymore
yeah we will fuck a girl
but actually like you women
NOPE!!!
you women are stupid
you women like evil
and you look to take advantage so
yeah
what's the point of keeping you around?
there is no reason
cause the sex is not worth it
or good enough
Idgaf what spot I'm in. i dont want y'all.😂🤣 I want money.
you do that
and then answer to my GOD above the dome
and please do not say im crazy
when you believe in the core of the earth lol
what a joke lol
physical evidence is the best evidence
If I do go ''my own way'' - I'd certainly not need a ''movement'' for this. It's a ridiculous and pathetic way to respond to ''social pressures''. Girlish, if you ask me.
Ms. you talk about women not needing a man and then call it stupid when men say they don't need a woman.
I don't care too much for MGTOW, but I think you are being a bit hypocritical.
mgtow is the male version of 21st century feminism. they hate women and don't want to admit it, they try to be the good people. i understand some of what they go after, but for the most part they generalize women across the board doing stupid things
I was 100% with you until "don't settle".
Considering how many men the average (and below) woman rejects in a given week, the thought of them settling is laughable.
Now if you're talking about women who have hit middle age and now are desperate and THEN settle for a man not in the top 10%, then I agree.
oh, that's a bunch of nonsense. reminds me of "NO MA'AM" from "Married With Children". Complete Balderdash.
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣
When I first heard about MGTOW I thought it's exactly what's in the name: men that go their own way. I was disappointed to learn it primarly consists of bitter, let's call them, men, for lack of a better word.
Sad people who are afraid of the world in a way that hurts them.
Yaaaaas! <3
I feel bad for them. I wrote a MyTake about MGTOW kind of making fun of them but honestly I think they’re victims of the echo chamber effect and propaganda. They think women are practically evil.
I'm indifferent to it, if those people want to follow such an agenda, so be it, so long as they don't break any laws.