You are correct women want men to change but they won't change themselves they blame men constantly thats what irritates me
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The vast majority of women don't deserve a real man, and couldn't handle being around one in the first place. They say they want a real man, but then try to dictate what he should do, say, or think.
If you're a human being, you will be emotional whether you show it or not is up to you. I don't compare one boyfriend to the other nor do I base my feelings on societal expectations.
Most men do not but most women do not act like women either by celebrating the immoral practice of pants wearing, make-up wearing and thinking abortion is cool.
I completely agree with the notion that the weakest thing a man can do is change himself to please other people so they can perceive him as being more manly.
Hey pouty lips... Sluts are great for sucking dick when a guy is in a rush to get his rocks off. Nothing more. The funniest part is when a stud foolishly fucks a slut and she catches feelings. You girls lie to yourselves when you go out and say "I just wanna have fun".
I meant you don't see anything wrong with dating a slut. Why suddenly do you think sluts are not dating material? Or to you a slut is a woman who fucks 100 men. But a woman who has had 99 partners is still a good girl? Having had 5 men still makes a woman a slut to me.
I personally don't go out of my way to date actual Sluts - as in those girls that fuck a 100 men as you say. If by "slut" you mean just a freak in bed then I fucking love that 👌.
I can agree, I don't like women who've slept around much, women aren't meant to. Even if you was joking, it seemed like you was justifying slutty behaviour.
Huh? Hold on I'm genuinely confused here, are you saying your a more traditional girl, or like to sleep around?
I said I don't like women who sleep around. But I do like loyal girlfriends who know how to have a good time in bed, that's all. That's what I meant by "freak" 👌.
I get that but 5 is just extremist. So if someone fell in love and was loyal and faithful to 5 boyfriends over say 35 years, they're a slut? Come on now.
I agree. With you in general. I dont have a strict number. It has more to do with specifics. Ie at age 35 and only 5 guys thats pretty good. At 16 and 5 guys thats a huge slut. Also if its 3 guys in one weekend thats a slut. 6 guys but each dated you for a whole year before you had sex, not a slut.
@bamesjond0069 exactly, amount of time and really the quality of the relationships. Not sure about the no sex rule for a year though, lol, that would lose most guys interest, though can't say I blame them intimacy is important.
@MollyTheOriginal wrong. That would lose most guys looking for easy sex interest. Men who are looking for a wife would be all over a girl like that. I only was into two girls my whole life. Both were virgins and one made me wait 7 months the other about 14 months. Sex was something really important to them and i respect the hell out of that. If youve fucked around though that ship has sailed. Personally id walk if a girl made me wait longer than the shortest time it ever took her to fuck someone. Like if you hookedup once id expect sex immediately. If you made your last boyfriend wait a year. I expect to not wait more than a year or id walk.
@bamesjond0069 don't think it's that simple. I was a virgin for ages, but I wanted to see what it was like, regretted it but there you go lol. Doesn't mean I had any interest in them long term however, so when it comes to a relationship I'd definitely want to wait because I'd want it to last, plus as you said too early and it's likely he's not in it for the right reasons, but almost a year is a bit much in my opinion, and I highly HIGHLY doubt a guy willing to wait that long is being faithful.
@MollyTheOriginal Lol I love how this string blew up a little.
To a certain extent, it's absolutely pointless to put numbers on your life like a scorecard. If a woman or man has gone from genuine relationship to genuine relationship before getting a properly stable one going, it doesn't make them cheap.
I should know because although I don't date actual sluts,. young as I still am I've been through a fair few girls already... Just finding out what works for me and what doesn't I suppose. I don't get how some chick with some pouty looking duck lips, in a somewhat provocative (or at least suggestive) photo has the cheek to yo-yo from apparently defending sluts, to then becoming a virginal puritan 😂😂😂
@MollyTheOriginal i mean you seem better than most girls but you have to admit thats not the ideal record. Nor am i here saying everyone needs to be perfect but for example i dated a girl and she Told me she was with one guy and that they got engaged and only had sex once they were engag'd. But with me she said she was waiting for marriage and to be honest I just didn't feel respected like why would she bend the rules for him but not for me obviously she liked him better so I broke up with her. There is no instance I would wait for marriage with somebody who wasn't a Virgin that's just crazy.
@bamesjond0069 People change and grow with different people. Why would you get so insecure about what your girl did with someone in her past? If your gonna have any negative thoughts at all, then use them to give your current girl a better relationship than the last.
And to answer your question which wasn't posed to me but OP, but I'm gonna go for it anyway, lol: I'd say the kind of traditional man I would want is someone who is handy around the house, yard, cars, etc, who has facial hair and other but well trimmed and hygienic, is polite, respectful, but down to earth and stands for what he believes in. Confident and assertive, dominant even, but never arrogant and throwing his weight around to compensate. Knows when to take charge but willing to listen and be attentive and loving, not seeing being vulnerable as a weakness. Honest, loyal, kind, protective. Obviously other things in an ideal partner but that's just for what I view as a real man.
@MollyTheOriginal its not but sadly i still have to date girls like around 18. I know you exist and i met a virgin who was 22. But seriously a lot of girls get up to 10+ before leaving high school now. Id love to date older girls but after a bunch of dates and not one having a decent history i realized im wasting my time. With young girls its only like 50/50 they aren't completely slutty already. Last girl i met her the day she turned 18 at the pet store. We started dating and she already been with 6 guys. Wtf. But its so bad out here for us dudes i was going to try and make it work.
I like. your definition, it tells you know the difference between a (soy) boy and a man. Always refreshing to hear a girl appreciate the beard too - say what you like but I'm ZZ top level these days, no complaints yet mwaha! It's what I try to encourage in other guys (our generation is lacking so much in masculinity), in my circles we tend to sum it all up as the four main virtues of manhood:
Strength, courage, mastery and honour.
I've always found that you gals respond much better to a well grounded sense of masculinity. The reason a lot of relationships fall apart is just that simply, the guy was weak and she lost all attraction.
@bamesjond0069 Yeah people are having sex ridiculously young nowadays, long before they're emotionally mature enough. And usually because they're more impulsive they're more likely to contract std's... I think though that there's a lot that goes into wanting to date someone, and keeping score like that is not going to get you far. There is a middle ground, so I wouldn't get discouraged.
@MollyTheOriginal yeah i mean like i said there's no specific number but when a 19 year old says she slept with 40 guys there is no consideration necessary. Im shocked. I've been dating actively for 3 years and i only met 5 girls worth dating. One wasn't a good match, two denied me, two i dated and they just didn't work out for various reasons. Literally everyone else was a ho trying to sleep with me right away or slept with a ton of dudes or i caught them lying about it and so i have to assume they are a ho.
@FreshOutaIdeas Oh yeah, beards are so sexy. As I've gotten older I've started liking guys like ten years older than me oddly enough, and that to me is quintessential aspect of masculinity. There's a reason so many women like lumberjacks! haha. Don't know how you feel about tattoos, but they can be really hot too!
I like those four qualities you listed, I think it's forgotten nowadays too with a all the online dating and ghosting and whatnot. I think there's nothing wrong with a well dressed man, whatever his tastes, but it there should be some effort exerted. I agree men lacking can result in the end of a relationship, but I also think that men can lose interest in women just as easily too.
@bamesjond0069 Well, yes, there is a number, which you just said, haha, but I meant that you shouldn't make such a big deal about a woman needing to be absolutely pure, or like OP's cut off, at 5, lol.
@MollyTheOriginal Well I would have allowed you to give my mane a stroke if we were in person haha 😉 I can definitely understand lumberjacks, but definitely not those "lumbersexuals" haha! I can honestly understand why, even as a man there are times where I have more in common with older men due to a general lack of testosterone and *energy* in our generation. The amount of feline cattiness and general emasculated jealousy I've dealt with in guys my age is just... Tragic... Lol.
Funny you should ask, I've got a few tattoos myself, and by tattoos I mean real symbolism, not a drawing of the apple logo on my 8inch biceps 😂😂. I'm a bit of a biker you see, well into my hard Rock and what not.
Those four qualities are the very things that are vitally missing in our generation! That's why you get all the ghosting and reliance on online dating sites and stuff. Communication is also a lost art - I always get a jolted surprise when I start chatting to random people... Have had great encounters like that never the less.
@FreshOutaIdeas Don't say that! lol, and the tattoos and biker too, damn... Well, lucky it's only virtual haha.
Interesting you say you relate to older men more for that reason. I find I relate to older people in general, men or women, not so much for the reasons you're saying, but because I've enjoyed conversation more with them, there's more maturity, and yeah, more respect and basic manners. I think people in our generation just aren't good at keeping in touch, at carrying a good conversation, and maybe that's because there's some social anxiety, which I get, but I don't let that get in the way of forming meaningful connections.
I'm in New York now so stinking up conversation with someone random either leads to no interest or too much :P
@MollyTheOriginal I could be saying a lot worse to be fair!! 😜 Nothing wrong with a little online exchange haha!
Yeah that's exactly it, I find that its only really older men that I can relate to in a world-wise sense, I find that where I've not only always looked older, but have had to live fast (grow up fast) that people my age sometimes struggle to understand why I'm that bit ahead of them intellectually/maturity-wise. Even in the last year alone I've been through things which, for lack of better words, have been the test for the marker of a man, that very few others my age would ever cope with. Doesn't help I'm not afraid to get my knuckles a little bloody either!
Lol maybe you could become a trend setter - "how to get people off their smartphones for more than 5 minutes"! True though, a lot of social anxiety around these days! And waaaiiiittttt... If I pique too much interest here, I won't mind if he hunt me down and pounce on me
@FreshOutaIdeas I feel bad that this opinion has been taken over so much lol, ah well. And you're right nothing wrong with that :P
I hear you so much on going through experiences and having to grow up faster as a result, for several years now. I will say it's helped me appreciate life more though. It also has made me aware more of who I am, what I'm capable of, and what I want out of life. It's been a big question mark for a while before that. However, I always was more mature before those experiences probably because I moved around a lot and was closer with to my parents at some points than friends my age, and there were a lot of dinner parties and things which most of the guests weren't my age lol, so I had to adjust.
@MollyTheOriginal Well at 18 19 20 hell yeah 5 is quite a lot. How could you have 5 meaningful healthy relationships by 20? It would mean you were monkey branching going from dude to dude to dude. OR they didn't last more than a week. Neither of those is someone who I would take seriously.
@MollyTheOriginal Mwahaha what can I say, we *came*, got sore, and conquered each other... And this thread ofc 😇.
I can definitely relate to that as well, I grew up with a decent family (minus their many, many faults lol), but in real rough parts. So whilst I still had a lot of friends in and out of school, more often than not they weren't the sort of people I wanted in my personal life. By the time I got to my teens much older girls would hit on me thinking I was their age (say 18 as opposed to 14), I started going to bars real early compared to others my age... Just generally experiencing life much harder and faster than my peers. And like you have been around my family a lot too, which has rubbed off some of my social skills. Speaking of dinner parties I've got some very interesting stories on that myself!
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Most don't... I know I do though.
I don't let women play their shit games. I expect them to act like adults not children.
There is a difference between being an alpha douchebag and a man though.
You are correct women want men to change but they won't change themselves they blame men constantly thats what irritates me
The vast majority of women don't deserve a real man, and couldn't handle being around one in the first place. They say they want a real man, but then try to dictate what he should do, say, or think.
I guess so... I dug a 120 ft trench last Saturday morning.
If you're a human being, you will be emotional whether you show it or not is up to you. I don't compare one boyfriend to the other nor do I base my feelings on societal expectations.
Most men do not but most women do not act like women either by celebrating the immoral practice of pants wearing, make-up wearing and thinking abortion is cool.
I completely agree with the notion that the weakest thing a man can do is change himself to please other people so they can perceive him as being more manly.
Yeah I have to agree. Women are always wanting men to change just for them but won't do a damn thing to change themselves.
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Thats well put.
Many women won't even consider of changing even after reading this.
beautifully said
" So many women I’ve dated expect so much, yet don’t put out what they should in return"
fucking amen to that!
I only feel manly when doing traditional guy stuff like splitting fire wood and hunting
Some are but there definitely is a lot of pussys out there.
Guns and Knives turned men into pussies i guess.
Always wondered why the top in a lesbian couple always looked like a dude.
I was in support of the original speaker before, but bro... You got me
What's wrong with being a slut?
Hey pouty lips... Sluts are great for sucking dick when a guy is in a rush to get his rocks off. Nothing more. The funniest part is when a stud foolishly fucks a slut and she catches feelings. You girls lie to yourselves when you go out and say "I just wanna have fun".
Meant to say that most women, Sluts or not, can't resist a *real man*.
@FreshOutaIdeas She's the opposite of the slut and is just making a joke.
I meant you don't see anything wrong with dating a slut. Why suddenly do you think sluts are not dating material?
Or to you a slut is a woman who fucks 100 men. But a woman who has had 99 partners is still a good girl?
Having had 5 men still makes a woman a slut to me.
I personally don't go out of my way to date actual Sluts - as in those girls that fuck a 100 men as you say. If by "slut" you mean just a freak in bed then I fucking love that 👌.
I can agree, I don't like women who've slept around much, women aren't meant to. Even if you was joking, it seemed like you was justifying slutty behaviour.
@FreshOutaIdeas did I say freak in bed?
No.
Huh? Hold on I'm genuinely confused here, are you saying your a more traditional girl, or like to sleep around?
I said I don't like women who sleep around. But I do like loyal girlfriends who know how to have a good time in bed, that's all. That's what I meant by "freak" 👌.
So what are your views then?
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@FreshOutaIdeas i said to me women who had 5 sex partners are still a slut. doesn't this tell you that Im a traditional gir?
Alright then sweet cheeks, I hear you loud and clear now. It's just your initial post would make people think you meant that Sluts were good.
Tell me what you think makes a traditional man? I'm curious to hear a girls perspective.
It's confusing because OP seems to keep changing opinions, lol. And how exactly is sleeping with 5 people making someone a slut?
@MollyTheOriginal to me it does. Im very traditional.
I get that but 5 is just extremist. So if someone fell in love and was loyal and faithful to 5 boyfriends over say 35 years, they're a slut? Come on now.
@MollyTheOriginal they are not as slutty as those who dleep around but they are sluts.
5 bfs in 35 years is still too many.
That kind of shame complex is problematic, but you do you I guess. Good luck with any future relationships with that outlook, lol.
I agree. With you in general. I dont have a strict number. It has more to do with specifics. Ie at age 35 and only 5 guys thats pretty good. At 16 and 5 guys thats a huge slut. Also if its 3 guys in one weekend thats a slut. 6 guys but each dated you for a whole year before you had sex, not a slut.
@bamesjond0069 exactly, amount of time and really the quality of the relationships. Not sure about the no sex rule for a year though, lol, that would lose most guys interest, though can't say I blame them intimacy is important.
@MollyTheOriginal wrong. That would lose most guys looking for easy sex interest. Men who are looking for a wife would be all over a girl like that. I only was into two girls my whole life. Both were virgins and one made me wait 7 months the other about 14 months. Sex was something really important to them and i respect the hell out of that. If youve fucked around though that ship has sailed. Personally id walk if a girl made me wait longer than the shortest time it ever took her to fuck someone. Like if you hookedup once id expect sex immediately. If you made your last boyfriend wait a year. I expect to not wait more than a year or id walk.
If someone was waiting for marriage id be all about that. Omg.
@bamesjond0069 don't think it's that simple. I was a virgin for ages, but I wanted to see what it was like, regretted it but there you go lol. Doesn't mean I had any interest in them long term however, so when it comes to a relationship I'd definitely want to wait because I'd want it to last, plus as you said too early and it's likely he's not in it for the right reasons, but almost a year is a bit much in my opinion, and I highly HIGHLY doubt a guy willing to wait that long is being faithful.
@MollyTheOriginal
Lol I love how this string blew up a little.
To a certain extent, it's absolutely pointless to put numbers on your life like a scorecard. If a woman or man has gone from genuine relationship to genuine relationship before getting a properly stable one going, it doesn't make them cheap.
I should know because although I don't date actual sluts,. young as I still am I've been through a fair few girls already... Just finding out what works for me and what doesn't I suppose. I don't get how some chick with some pouty looking duck lips, in a somewhat provocative (or at least suggestive) photo has the cheek to yo-yo from apparently defending sluts, to then becoming a virginal puritan 😂😂😂
@FreshOutaIdeas right? I was wanting to say that but then I was like... nah, don't be petty. XD so glad you did that for me. Haha.
@MollyTheOriginal i mean you seem better than most girls but you have to admit thats not the ideal record. Nor am i here saying everyone needs to be perfect but for example i dated a girl and she Told me she was with one guy and that they got engaged and only had sex once they were engag'd. But with me she said she was waiting for marriage and to be honest I just didn't feel respected like why would she bend the rules for him but not for me obviously she liked him better so I broke up with her. There is no instance I would wait for marriage with somebody who wasn't a Virgin that's just crazy.
@MollyTheOriginal
Haha trust me to throw a little "blunt trauma" 👊👊 into discourse 😉.
@bamesjond0069
People change and grow with different people. Why would you get so insecure about what your girl did with someone in her past? If your gonna have any negative thoughts at all, then use them to give your current girl a better relationship than the last.
@bamesjond0069 fair enough, but tbh if you're ideal is a virgin at our age and older, you'll be waiting a long ass time lol.
@FreshOutaIdeas love it.
And to answer your question which wasn't posed to me but OP, but I'm gonna go for it anyway, lol: I'd say the kind of traditional man I would want is someone who is handy around the house, yard, cars, etc, who has facial hair and other but well trimmed and hygienic, is polite, respectful, but down to earth and stands for what he believes in. Confident and assertive, dominant even, but never arrogant and throwing his weight around to compensate. Knows when to take charge but willing to listen and be attentive and loving, not seeing being vulnerable as a weakness. Honest, loyal, kind, protective. Obviously other things in an ideal partner but that's just for what I view as a real man.
@MollyTheOriginal its not but sadly i still have to date girls like around 18. I know you exist and i met a virgin who was 22. But seriously a lot of girls get up to 10+ before leaving high school now. Id love to date older girls but after a bunch of dates and not one having a decent history i realized im wasting my time. With young girls its only like 50/50 they aren't completely slutty already. Last girl i met her the day she turned 18 at the pet store. We started dating and she already been with 6 guys. Wtf. But its so bad out here for us dudes i was going to try and make it work.
@MollyTheOriginal
I am to please haha.
I like. your definition, it tells you know the difference between a (soy) boy and a man. Always refreshing to hear a girl appreciate the beard too - say what you like but I'm ZZ top level these days, no complaints yet mwaha! It's what I try to encourage in other guys (our generation is lacking so much in masculinity), in my circles we tend to sum it all up as the four main virtues of manhood:
Strength, courage, mastery and honour.
I've always found that you gals respond much better to a well grounded sense of masculinity. The reason a lot of relationships fall apart is just that simply, the guy was weak and she lost all attraction.
@bamesjond0069 Yeah people are having sex ridiculously young nowadays, long before they're emotionally mature enough. And usually because they're more impulsive they're more likely to contract std's...
I think though that there's a lot that goes into wanting to date someone, and keeping score like that is not going to get you far. There is a middle ground, so I wouldn't get discouraged.
@MollyTheOriginal yeah i mean like i said there's no specific number but when a 19 year old says she slept with 40 guys there is no consideration necessary. Im shocked. I've been dating actively for 3 years and i only met 5 girls worth dating. One wasn't a good match, two denied me, two i dated and they just didn't work out for various reasons. Literally everyone else was a ho trying to sleep with me right away or slept with a ton of dudes or i caught them lying about it and so i have to assume they are a ho.
@FreshOutaIdeas Oh yeah, beards are so sexy. As I've gotten older I've started liking guys like ten years older than me oddly enough, and that to me is quintessential aspect of masculinity. There's a reason so many women like lumberjacks! haha. Don't know how you feel about tattoos, but they can be really hot too!
I like those four qualities you listed, I think it's forgotten nowadays too with a all the online dating and ghosting and whatnot. I think there's nothing wrong with a well dressed man, whatever his tastes, but it there should be some effort exerted. I agree men lacking can result in the end of a relationship, but I also think that men can lose interest in women just as easily too.
@bamesjond0069 Well, yes, there is a number, which you just said, haha, but I meant that you shouldn't make such a big deal about a woman needing to be absolutely pure, or like OP's cut off, at 5, lol.
@MollyTheOriginal
Well I would have allowed you to give my mane a stroke if we were in person haha 😉 I can definitely understand lumberjacks, but definitely not those "lumbersexuals" haha! I can honestly understand why, even as a man there are times where I have more in common with older men due to a general lack of testosterone and *energy* in our generation. The amount of feline cattiness and general emasculated jealousy I've dealt with in guys my age is just... Tragic... Lol.
Funny you should ask, I've got a few tattoos myself, and by tattoos I mean real symbolism, not a drawing of the apple logo on my 8inch biceps 😂😂. I'm a bit of a biker you see, well into my hard Rock and what not.
Those four qualities are the very things that are vitally missing in our generation! That's why you get all the ghosting and reliance on online dating sites and stuff. Communication is also a lost art - I always get a jolted surprise when I start chatting to random people... Have had great encounters like that never the less.
@FreshOutaIdeas Don't say that! lol, and the tattoos and biker too, damn... Well, lucky it's only virtual haha.
Interesting you say you relate to older men more for that reason. I find I relate to older people in general, men or women, not so much for the reasons you're saying, but because I've enjoyed conversation more with them, there's more maturity, and yeah, more respect and basic manners. I think people in our generation just aren't good at keeping in touch, at carrying a good conversation, and maybe that's because there's some social anxiety, which I get, but I don't let that get in the way of forming meaningful connections.
I'm in New York now so stinking up conversation with someone random either leads to no interest or too much :P
5 ? A woman that has slept with more than 2 men is a slut to me
@Muhammad1999 Sounds like you're made for OP then.
@MollyTheOriginal
I could be saying a lot worse to be fair!! 😜 Nothing wrong with a little online exchange haha!
Yeah that's exactly it, I find that its only really older men that I can relate to in a world-wise sense, I find that where I've not only always looked older, but have had to live fast (grow up fast) that people my age sometimes struggle to understand why I'm that bit ahead of them intellectually/maturity-wise. Even in the last year alone I've been through things which, for lack of better words, have been the test for the marker of a man, that very few others my age would ever cope with. Doesn't help I'm not afraid to get my knuckles a little bloody either!
Lol maybe you could become a trend setter - "how to get people off their smartphones for more than 5 minutes"! True though, a lot of social anxiety around these days! And waaaiiiittttt... If I pique too much interest here, I won't mind if he hunt me down and pounce on me
@FreshOutaIdeas I feel bad that this opinion has been taken over so much lol, ah well. And you're right nothing wrong with that :P
I hear you so much on going through experiences and having to grow up faster as a result, for several years now. I will say it's helped me appreciate life more though. It also has made me aware more of who I am, what I'm capable of, and what I want out of life. It's been a big question mark for a while before that. However, I always was more mature before those experiences probably because I moved around a lot and was closer with to my parents at some points than friends my age, and there were a lot of dinner parties and things which most of the guests weren't my age lol, so I had to adjust.
And pouncing? All for that lol ;)
@MollyTheOriginal Well at 18 19 20 hell yeah 5 is quite a lot. How could you have 5 meaningful healthy relationships by 20? It would mean you were monkey branching going from dude to dude to dude. OR they didn't last more than a week. Neither of those is someone who I would take seriously.
@MollyTheOriginal
Mwahaha what can I say, we *came*, got sore, and conquered each other... And this thread ofc 😇.
I can definitely relate to that as well, I grew up with a decent family (minus their many, many faults lol), but in real rough parts. So whilst I still had a lot of friends in and out of school, more often than not they weren't the sort of people I wanted in my personal life. By the time I got to my teens much older girls would hit on me thinking I was their age (say 18 as opposed to 14), I started going to bars real early compared to others my age... Just generally experiencing life much harder and faster than my peers. And like you have been around my family a lot too, which has rubbed off some of my social skills. Speaking of dinner parties I've got some very interesting stories on that myself!
I love a good wrestle, and I know you'd eventually submit 😜
@FreshOutaIdeas wrestling now and wild dinner parties? Too spicy for main chat now moving to DM ;)
@MollyTheOriginal
"Good luck with thay outlook"
I am married.
I lost my virginity to my husband.
So. Don't worry. My outlook doesn't harm me.
That's wonderful for you but not everyone is as lucky to find "the one" that early on, so I wouldn't be judgmental about it if I were you.
this discussion about guys having become feminized, right?
Respect!
No further needed
I'm doing my best... but TBH, it looks bad
Most men today are fags.
Feel sorry for those of us in my generation who aren't soyboys old timer!
Yeah I agree.