For a real relationship guys wouldn't go for the dumb girls but for the smart ones, a girl they can talk to, who can be there for them, you know a girl with whom they can have an interesting conversation. But dumb girls are easy, they can hit on them, sleep with them and tell them to f**k off.. but you can't judge a book from it's cover and some girl that appear to be dumb and so fake are actually really smart, they might just think that lots of make up is nice when it's not.
Girls can be both pretty and smart. and lots of guys go for those. maybe you're just surrounded with guys who just wanna get laid and they give that impression.
define dumb? I see what your talking about in my girlfreinds all the time, girl's who put in an effort tend to look better there for get noticed, but they also seem like more fun to be around. If you wear makeup and laugh because your actually having fun then ofcorse you are going to attract a guy. over a girl, who looks plain sits in the corner and eye's all the " dumb girls" who are getting chatted up because they are having fun wheither or not boy's are paying attention to them is a bonus ! it's as much about looks as it is about how you act would you be attracted to a guy who wasn't having fun at a party and was sitting quietly being arrogant and anti social why even come.
It's a suprise to me that a lot of guys comments that I have just read tends to go for the smart girls. But in reality are they just saying it or not. Lets put it this way I'm 17 finish year 12 I always think young guys go for the dumb girls because at school most of those that were in a relationships were the dumb show off female and male. I'm a female and I like guys that are smart. I'm not expecting them to be perfect but has got the brains to think, talk, and work. It just depends what are you trying to say the difference between dumb and smart girls? some smart girls can be pretty too. Usually I think of the smart people attractive than the dumb ones.
And another thing is I think girls that put a lot of make-up aren't attractive because they're just fake because they look different under neath the cosmetic on their face skin.
1. Common Sense is a must. As far as intellagence goes that can be interpreted very differantly depending on the person. Nobody wants to consider themselvs dumb.
2. Looks. If we are not physical attracted to you then we probably won't make a move. Its not that we aren't trying to be difficult but I would also expect the same thing from women. Obviously a women who is looking for a guy that looks like Johnny Deep would be pretty dissapointed if I approached them lol. But I would say most men aren't looking for a model or anything like that.
3. Personality is the biggest factor with picking someone. Obviously if you don't get along with the person or can't speak to them there is going to be very little interest unless they just enjoy awkward moments.
Just because a girl is smart doesn't mean she has to be a plain or stupid? That's stereotyping I know a lot of girls that are extremely beautiful and do wear make up and dress very stylish whom are extremely intelligent and have bachelor degrees! And not all unattractive girls have to be intellectual! You're obviously very shallow.
Umm, some girls like myself like makeup because I'm feminine, a trait I'm very proud of & just because she "wears makeup like there's no tomorrow" in no way means that she is dumb. I am actually very smart. Haha. You sound a little cocky with your brains. Well, some men are atracted to feminine women who take care of themselves & actually feel special when you get cute for them. A girl with good looks & good brains is the best so I've heard. & I have days I do go more natural by the way, just it really sounds like you're stereotyping & I don't appreciate it. Don't hate on a girl & call her dumb just because she likes to look & feel good. UGGGG.
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Personally, I prefer smart girls, because I hate having conversations with people that don't understand what I'm talking about. Haha! That said, I assume guys go for the "dumb" ones (assuming they aren't just pretending to be dumb: I've seen that before), because they're afraid that a smart girl will "see through them" and realize they aren't that great, after all. No guy wants to worry that his girlfriend is going to wake up one day and realize he's a loser and dump him! So, I assume that the ones who go for "dumb" girls are probably insecure and believe that only "dumb" girls would be interested in them for very long.
You already stated why in your question. "plain janes". Plain is boring. Why would anyone want to settle for plain jane? Just because you're not a model doesn't mean you have to be content that who you are should be enough. Everyone can improve their personality no matter how they look and personality is always the bigger deal breaker for me. The pretty smile only gets you a foot in the door, its your brain that gets you through.
Smart , free spirited, and just naive enough to be cute, and so that I don't have to have a fifteen hour intellectual debate about modernism and women's rights, when I am trying to just be the knight in shining armor and protect her from some of the evils in this world...
I don't know any guy that wants a dumb girl, unless they're trying to trick them into sleeping with them. The guys that say they prefer dumb girls are doing so because they themselves lack many desirable qualities and girls with lower intelligence are less likely to notice this or care. Also, there is no correlation between good looks and intelligence.
Um... They sort of do. People who are highly intelligent tend to literally forget about their looks because they have more important things to think about such as solving a jet propulsion problem or curing cancer. People who are average or slightly above average intelligence tend to care more about their looks than the really smart ones. So, yes, there is a threshold. A woman may use makeup and still be above average in intellegence, but when her IQ hits a certain point, she doesn't care.
the "dumb girls" that you hate on, happen to be pretty which is what guys like. a lot of so-called "smart girls" are boring, don't know how to flirt, and don't present themselves in an attractive and feminine manner which is why they are continually overlooked by guys.
I agree with you 100%. This ? seems like the opposite of the "nice guys finish last" ?'s that flood this site (across all the categories imo). Masculinity is CRITICAL for female attraction, & femininity is CRITICAL for male attraction.
That's not the totally honest truth. You have to remember that some men like dumb women because they don't want a challenge and believe any woman who is so insecure as to wear 5 pounds of make up in order to buy one carton of milk, and who is always provocatively dressed (for instance), is actually "on the prowl". That's the girl who is looking for attention, and so she gets it. Yes, there is some truth to what you've said, but you skipped over a very important part.
it's obvious QA is implying that girls who get male attention are dumb, and that men don't go for smart girls which is a lie. men first go for looks but most women in serious relationships aren't bimbos. QA is just jealous and I'm trying to let her know that putting effort into looking nice and knowing how to talk to guys you're interested in is a lot more important to guys than being super brainy. also one can actually be pretty AND smart! (shocker)
@Answerer... The funny thing is... she never said "pretty" lol. She said "lots of make-up" lol. They're not the same thing. Defensive. Defensive. =-p I wonder why. Make-up is make-up. LOL it's not the same as being pretty.
Your judging all guys with that statement. Those of us with high intelligence actively seek out smart women. Unfortunately, there is not visual way to judge intelligence other than a girl looking like a Daphne. If I could see the intelligence of a woman, then I might chose more 7's instead of 4's. Until a woman forgets to take of her eye goggles after coming from the lab, I can't tell if she's smart of not if she's all tricked out.
Guys do not just go out with girls like that. I think any girl who says "All guys always go out with girls who are dumb and wear a lot of make up" is just using that as an exscuse for why guys aren't going out with her. Don't be jealous of other girls who are more successful when it comes to guys than you are. Is that really their fault?
I get hit on by guys all the time and I don't wear a ton of makeup and I am not dumb at all.
Plain Janes are boring. Nothing about them stands out or looks interesting.
why does smart have to go with plain jane, my girlfriend is the smartest girl that I have ever had the pleasure to date , atlest she is smarter than me (and I'm abit of a nerd) but she still always dresses up nice wears cute dresses with her hair done, her jewlery on, and just a touch of make up to bring out her eyes. Just because a girl cares about how she looks dosnt make her stupis and not all smart girls look like tomboys
I don't think that's right - my girlfriend is witty, funny, has her BA, and is super intellectual. Also she manages to be all of that while being super attractive, so, maybe I just got lucky? But that's the type of girl I'm into - a real Renaissance girl.
Body Language: The "dumb" girl you're referring to is also saying "I'm available!", the smart girl you're referring to tends to be a reclusive type of person in general ( thus the stereotypes ) and seem to be more focused on other things. Because people can't read minds and the brain subconsciously reads these signals you have your phenomenon. You know, you being smart, you should have looked this up as it's not a rare or even unexplained, "difficult" happenstance.
I totally agree with Brandan, even though I find most men really do value a woman's intelligence, the "dumb" girls are putting it out there far more often that they are available.
Agreed- the "dumb" girls are the ones more will to cater to a mans wants and needs. In high school it was always my friends who had boyfriends because they would do what he wanted and just fawn over them
I freaking HATE dumb girls, with a muther effing PASSION. can't hold a DAMN conversation with them, they agree with everything you say because they have nothing in those feeble brains of theirs, and they almost ALWAYS look like they are trying to be the hottest thing in town. GTF over yourself bitch, know what I'm saying?!?!
lol rant done. Smart, intelligent, educated girls for the freaking win.
LOL My boyfriend keeps telling me stories about his exes *I just graduated college with a 3.6 GPA and I'm going back for my Masters, so I'm the smartest he's dated I think* One chick was grocery shopping with him and picked up orange juice which said "no pulp" and she thought the pulp was the sound the OJ made coming out of the carton and into the glass...LOL
Some of us prefer the smart girls. Who don't wear too much makeup.
Just be approachable and friendly. You look very pretty as far as I'm concerned. That's not the problem. Be positive. Body language and attitude mean a lot. I don't want to ask you out if it looks like I'm gonna get shot down.
Maybe some guys feel intimidated by a smart women and would rather their women be dependent on them? But I think most guys would want a girl who shows a good amount of intelligence.
intelligence is very appealing on a girl-but not mandatory. plus I disagree with your statement. I've known a fair amount of very hot girls who were super smart and very unappealing unintelligent girls. so in general though I know what your talkin about. your fine the way you r...and if your smart then use that. seems you have looks and intelligence so your ok--dont be dumb though to get any guy.
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For a real relationship guys wouldn't go for the dumb girls but for the smart ones, a girl they can talk to, who can be there for them, you know a girl with whom they can have an interesting conversation. But dumb girls are easy, they can hit on them, sleep with them and tell them to f**k off.. but you can't judge a book from it's cover and some girl that appear to be dumb and so fake are actually really smart, they might just think that lots of make up is nice when it's not.
Girls can be both pretty and smart. and lots of guys go for those. maybe you're just surrounded with guys who just wanna get laid and they give that impression.
define dumb? I see what your talking about in my girlfreinds all the time, girl's who put in an effort tend to look better there for get noticed, but they also seem like more fun to be around. If you wear makeup and laugh because your actually having fun then ofcorse you are going to attract a guy. over a girl, who looks plain sits in the corner and eye's all the " dumb girls" who are getting chatted up because they are having fun wheither or not boy's are paying attention to them is a bonus ! it's as much about looks as it is about how you act would you be attracted to a guy who wasn't having fun at a party and was sitting quietly being arrogant and anti social why even come.
It's a suprise to me that a lot of guys comments that I have just read tends to go for the smart girls. But in reality are they just saying it or not. Lets put it this way I'm 17 finish year 12 I always think young guys go for the dumb girls because at school most of those that were in a relationships were the dumb show off female and male. I'm a female and I like guys that are smart. I'm not expecting them to be perfect but has got the brains to think, talk, and work. It just depends what are you trying to say the difference between dumb and smart girls? some smart girls can be pretty too. Usually I think of the smart people attractive than the dumb ones.
And another thing is I think girls that put a lot of make-up aren't attractive because they're just fake because they look different under neath the cosmetic on their face skin.
1. Common Sense is a must. As far as intellagence goes that can be interpreted very differantly depending on the person. Nobody wants to consider themselvs dumb.
2. Looks. If we are not physical attracted to you then we probably won't make a move. Its not that we aren't trying to be difficult but I would also expect the same thing from women. Obviously a women who is looking for a guy that looks like Johnny Deep would be pretty dissapointed if I approached them lol. But I would say most men aren't looking for a model or anything like that.
3. Personality is the biggest factor with picking someone. Obviously if you don't get along with the person or can't speak to them there is going to be very little interest unless they just enjoy awkward moments.
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Just because a girl is smart doesn't mean she has to be a plain or stupid? That's stereotyping I know a lot of girls that are extremely beautiful and do wear make up and dress very stylish whom are extremely intelligent and have bachelor degrees! And not all unattractive girls have to be intellectual! You're obviously very shallow.
that's true.
Umm, some girls like myself like makeup because I'm feminine, a trait I'm very proud of & just because she "wears makeup like there's no tomorrow" in no way means that she is dumb. I am actually very smart. Haha. You sound a little cocky with your brains. Well, some men are atracted to feminine women who take care of themselves & actually feel special when you get cute for them. A girl with good looks & good brains is the best so I've heard. & I have days I do go more natural by the way, just it really sounds like you're stereotyping & I don't appreciate it. Don't hate on a girl & call her dumb just because she likes to look & feel good. UGGGG.
Personally, I prefer smart girls, because I hate having conversations with people that don't understand what I'm talking about. Haha! That said, I assume guys go for the "dumb" ones (assuming they aren't just pretending to be dumb: I've seen that before), because they're afraid that a smart girl will "see through them" and realize they aren't that great, after all. No guy wants to worry that his girlfriend is going to wake up one day and realize he's a loser and dump him! So, I assume that the ones who go for "dumb" girls are probably insecure and believe that only "dumb" girls would be interested in them for very long.
You already stated why in your question. "plain janes". Plain is boring. Why would anyone want to settle for plain jane? Just because you're not a model doesn't mean you have to be content that who you are should be enough. Everyone can improve their personality no matter how they look and personality is always the bigger deal breaker for me. The pretty smile only gets you a foot in the door, its your brain that gets you through.
ummm... best answer right here!
ya, I agree! best answer! ha ha :P
Smart , free spirited, and just naive enough to be cute, and so that I don't have to have a fifteen hour intellectual debate about modernism and women's rights, when I am trying to just be the knight in shining armor and protect her from some of the evils in this world...
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I like this.
I don't know any guy that wants a dumb girl, unless they're trying to trick them into sleeping with them. The guys that say they prefer dumb girls are doing so because they themselves lack many desirable qualities and girls with lower intelligence are less likely to notice this or care. Also, there is no correlation between good looks and intelligence.
Um... They sort of do. People who are highly intelligent tend to literally forget about their looks because they have more important things to think about such as solving a jet propulsion problem or curing cancer. People who are average or slightly above average intelligence tend to care more about their looks than the really smart ones. So, yes, there is a threshold. A woman may use makeup and still be above average in intellegence, but when her IQ hits a certain point, she doesn't care.
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the "dumb girls" that you hate on, happen to be pretty which is what guys like. a lot of so-called "smart girls" are boring, don't know how to flirt, and don't present themselves in an attractive and feminine manner which is why they are continually overlooked by guys.
Oh damn...that was some honest truth.
I agree with you 100%. This ? seems like the opposite of the "nice guys finish last" ?'s that flood this site (across all the categories imo). Masculinity is CRITICAL for female attraction, & femininity is CRITICAL for male attraction.
That's not the totally honest truth. You have to remember that some men like dumb women because they don't want a challenge and believe any woman who is so insecure as to wear 5 pounds of make up in order to buy one carton of milk, and who is always provocatively dressed (for instance), is actually "on the prowl". That's the girl who is looking for attention, and so she gets it. Yes, there is some truth to what you've said, but you skipped over a very important part.
I guess someone is "pro-dumb"?
best answer so far
it's obvious QA is implying that girls who get male attention are dumb, and that men don't go for smart girls which is a lie. men first go for looks but most women in serious relationships aren't bimbos. QA is just jealous and I'm trying to let her know that putting effort into looking nice and knowing how to talk to guys you're interested in is a lot more important to guys than being super brainy. also one can actually be pretty AND smart! (shocker)
@Answerer... The funny thing is... she never said "pretty" lol. She said "lots of make-up" lol. They're not the same thing. Defensive. Defensive. =-p I wonder why. Make-up is make-up. LOL it's not the same as being pretty.
look I don't think it matters whether your dumb or smart because beauty comes from who you truly are.
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Your judging all guys with that statement. Those of us with high intelligence actively seek out smart women. Unfortunately, there is not visual way to judge intelligence other than a girl looking like a Daphne. If I could see the intelligence of a woman, then I might chose more 7's instead of 4's. Until a woman forgets to take of her eye goggles after coming from the lab, I can't tell if she's smart of not if she's all tricked out.
Guys do not just go out with girls like that. I think any girl who says "All guys always go out with girls who are dumb and wear a lot of make up" is just using that as an exscuse for why guys aren't going out with her. Don't be jealous of other girls who are more successful when it comes to guys than you are. Is that really their fault?
I get hit on by guys all the time and I don't wear a ton of makeup and I am not dumb at all.
Plain Janes are boring. Nothing about them stands out or looks interesting.
why does smart have to go with plain jane, my girlfriend is the smartest girl that I have ever had the pleasure to date , atlest she is smarter than me (and I'm abit of a nerd) but she still always dresses up nice wears cute dresses with her hair done, her jewlery on, and just a touch of make up to bring out her eyes. Just because a girl cares about how she looks dosnt make her stupis and not all smart girls look like tomboys
I don't think that's right - my girlfriend is witty, funny, has her BA, and is super intellectual. Also she manages to be all of that while being super attractive, so, maybe I just got lucky? But that's the type of girl I'm into - a real Renaissance girl.
Body Language: The "dumb" girl you're referring to is also saying "I'm available!", the smart girl you're referring to tends to be a reclusive type of person in general ( thus the stereotypes ) and seem to be more focused on other things. Because people can't read minds and the brain subconsciously reads these signals you have your phenomenon. You know, you being smart, you should have looked this up as it's not a rare or even unexplained, "difficult" happenstance.
I totally agree with Brandan, even though I find most men really do value a woman's intelligence, the "dumb" girls are putting it out there far more often that they are available.
Agreed- the "dumb" girls are the ones more will to cater to a mans wants and needs. In high school it was always my friends who had boyfriends because they would do what he wanted and just fawn over them
Relying on body language is for simian imbeciles that haven't evolved. Body language can be easily faked, real confidence cannot be faked.
Clearly you're ignorant on the subject. I bet you think that you can easily fake a polygraph too, huh?
it depends what guys want, smart nice girl is for long term.
pretty dumb chick is for fling.
After all, if you truly fall in love with someone, basically you are blinded.
He/she(partner) look pretty, handsome to you regardless of others' opinion.
Then, who would choose dumb over smart
I freaking HATE dumb girls, with a muther effing PASSION. can't hold a DAMN conversation with them, they agree with everything you say because they have nothing in those feeble brains of theirs, and they almost ALWAYS look like they are trying to be the hottest thing in town. GTF over yourself bitch, know what I'm saying?!?!
lol rant done. Smart, intelligent, educated girls for the freaking win.
LOL My boyfriend keeps telling me stories about his exes *I just graduated college with a 3.6 GPA and I'm going back for my Masters, so I'm the smartest he's dated I think* One chick was grocery shopping with him and picked up orange juice which said "no pulp" and she thought the pulp was the sound the OJ made coming out of the carton and into the glass...LOL
Some of us prefer the smart girls. Who don't wear too much makeup.
Just be approachable and friendly. You look very pretty as far as I'm concerned. That's not the problem. Be positive. Body language and attitude mean a lot. I don't want to ask you out if it looks like I'm gonna get shot down.
Maybe some guys feel intimidated by a smart women and would rather their women be dependent on them? But I think most guys would want a girl who shows a good amount of intelligence.
intelligence is very appealing on a girl-but not mandatory. plus I disagree with your statement. I've known a fair amount of very hot girls who were super smart and very unappealing unintelligent girls. so in general though I know what your talkin about. your fine the way you r...and if your smart then use that. seems you have looks and intelligence so your ok--dont be dumb though to get any guy.