Just want to add that although it is viewed as more okay with women, it isn't a trait most people like even in women.
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She might mean exactly that. I had to read her question twice. But I asked her for more context. You and I know the ugly truth on this. At least I got some good news. I’m got a date planned with a younger woman tonight (visiting another state). We hooked up last time I was here. I can use a confidence booster.
If the guys nature is good and if he is poor not that rich I would still go with him. And dudes who r rich r mostly arrogant Nd only few aren’t !
@Mystery11137 Yeah. Sadly not many women see it the same way by looking at the man as he is. It's like when men wanting only models, who are almost anorexic, have a huge behind and not older than 25 🙄Shallow folks ruin it for us and gold diggers accelerate this crap and give women a bad reputation.
Damn these simps. But hey, maybe they help us in filtering out the bad women (who Keep getting attention and donations for half naked masturbation material) from the good women.Basically we may see a woman is good if she's not attention whoring herself to the simps.
This states pretty much my own view, so thanks for saving me a post.
@Ianto Not a problem, its what I'm here for.
I think it is mostly women who call each other desperate. Heard it many times.
Thats quite tragic. There's nothing worse than being condemned for something we all do. Dating is a natural starting point in beginning a relationship. We aren't solitary by nature. How else are you going to find someone of you dont out yourself out there as they say?
Thats why most women don't ask men out. Women are told to act hard to get and men should chase them. If you actually show interest or have sex with a guy, then you are considered as easy and desperate.
Well only to them. Not to the guys. Most guys actually hate that whole chase thing. You like a girl, you build up to talk to her, there are too many variables on top of that fear of open rejection. Would be nice to be approached for once. Endearing even.
Why people always ignore the fact about how men are and always giving women a bad rep?
I think you missing he asking why its acceptable for women to be desperate for a partner but a guy is seen as a simp
@The_unknown_memer actually women know this but just conveniently take this as “well that’s just how it is”’. It’s so deeply ingrained in society that they take it as built in law of nature. It’s something feminism won’t ever willing acknowledge. But she’s right about the “men don’t have the options women do”. When all else is equal a woman does have many more options than men initially in the dating dating scene (as long as she at least semi attractive). She is special just for existing. Men on the other are EXPECTED to be exceptional with something.
It’s not just that men are expected to, they also expect themselves to. Men want to qualify themselves to women. They love it. If a guy is a bum and doesn’t have to lift a finger to get with her, he’ll eventually wonder why she’s so easy. Hell then see her as desperate or low value. Of course, that doesn’t mean she should be a do nothing bum either.
“ Men want to qualify themselves to women. They love it.” ah wrong. Dead wrong. We do NOT enjoy having to prove ourselves and going on “the hunt” for women. In fact I’ve learned over the years it’s way too easy to overpursue a women. The threshold for looking creepy/desperate/too sensitive is much shorter for guys. We can’t get away with half the things women say/do to us without very quickly turning her off. The ones that liked me the most are always the ones I only felt “so so” about. That doesn’t mean I was disrespectful, rude or a jerk to them. But the indifference came of a CHALLENGE to women. Women like challenge.
In my experience or observation, the best men were prepared to move heaven and earth to be with the woman they want. But they don’t like it when women play hard to get as a game. They want women who genuinely are hard to get but still attainable if they work hard enough at it.
And I once wasted a year and half to be that fool only to be ultimately friend zoned and treated like complete shit. Felt completely destroyed, humiliated and lied to. NO. Wrong. Fuck no and fuck you for believing that crap. The real world is not some Hollywood fantasy. Women are naturally a pain in the ass (unless they already have a huge crush on the guy) so don’t shit test above and beyond what you already knowingly do. Don’t CREATE drama just because you see at as romance and you think it makes everything more exciting.
Well yeah, rejection still happens. No one is saying it won’t.
Well when it happens more than once because I did what women “say” they want then we stop listening to you. Every girl who ever fell for me all had one thing in common: I did NOT CARE if they liked me or not. If they did like me great but if they didn’t, well best of luck. Also if you think a man’s chivalry, effort and self esteem is infinite resource think again. We are human. If you cut us we are going to bleed. But unlike women society doesn’t give us leeway to openly complain about it. We just collect scars.
What is your relationship situation now?
I actually got a date tonight with a girl I met and hooked up with 9 months ago (I’m visiting her state). She’s much younger and from a different country. But she’s got a very good attitude and treated me respectfully on our first date. Sex was her idea that evening, not mine. I’m definitely not complaining. It was a confidence booster I needed. But I notice that foreign women usually treat men better. They weren’t raised with the princess syndrome.
I see. Interesting.
The thing is though, you’re only hooking up. This isn’t a monogamous relationship. I suspect given what you’ve already told me that you’re lacking in a few way areas that are essential for maintaining long term relationships. That’s why you go for women who are young, naive, and easier.
I’ve been in long term monogamous relationships. The issue I have is what I wrote above earlier. I’m talking about doing again what women “say” they want. Putting in the effort, time and energy to get to know her for the absolutely most insulting horrible result possible: the friendzone. Lots of you girls “laugh” and mock guys that happens to. You are too conceited to know how horrible that is. I find that I have to get sexual early to show where I stand. I slept with all three of my last long term gfs early. I actually do NOT like that approach. But I refuse to risk another long term friendzone where I get exploited. It’s a deeper insult than most women will ever imagine. I also was wasting my time with those selfish bitches when I could be dating someone who is interested.
It’s not my intention to laugh and mock guys that it happens to. I do want them to understand that treating a woman well still doesn’t entitle you to anything. And leaving the friend zone bitter and cranky about women in general as you certainly are, poses a huge risk to the women you encounter until you get your mentality set right again. Even with this girl you have a date with, you’re predetermined notions are doing her no favors. But you won’t address that of course.
“I do want them to understand that treating a woman well still doesn’t entitle you to anything.”Yes I know that and have known that for many years. I’m not entitled to sex/romance for treating a woman well. But these women usually know how to manipulate men for their own ends. They throw guys a “few bones” and send mixed messages. They are to selfish to straight be honest with him early. They know they are risking losing their one sided “friendship” if that happens. So instead they play games to squeeze as much benefits as they can out of the guy. They play dumb. I had a grown ass woman (year older than me) pull this bs 2 years ago. It was absolutely insane. I think she believes acting immature makes her look younger. It made her look pathetic.
Many women do things in order to protect their own heart. I’m accused of teaching women how to play games and manipulate men all the time when I’m really just helping them not get screwed over by players and narcissists or waste time with bums.
That's ok but here's the thing a lot of women misuse , yes men also misuse advices too But the difference is people back up the woman , they wouldn't do it for men You have every right to teach them how to protect themselves but you consider how some women might use it to harm men It happens you may not believe me
@The_unknown_memer “But the difference is people back up the woman , they wouldn't do it for men” yes 100% true. If a woman gets screwed over she’s a poor victim. If a guy gets screwed over he’s a doormat, chump, sap, etc. @MzAsh this is why guys are usually more cynical. We have hit hard pavement when we fall and are supposed to get up like we didn’t even have a scratch.
Is it okay if I'm hungry and predatory regardless of wimminz? 😀
Doesn't bother me, but then again I'm not a 140 lb female
That's the spirit!