Well what if he got the vaccine that supposedly you are against... does he still need to get a Covid Test on top of that?
can i ask what your reason is for not getting the vaccine? i'm not in the medcial field so i'd be curious.
@coachTanthony Well that's fine; I would respect his decision; it's not a dealbreaker! But yeah he's still getting a covid test! As to why? That brings me to @genericname85 's question-Because I don't trust the vaccine; not yet. Me and my coworkers have been discussing this vaccine since it was brought up and the majority of us are against it or refuse to take it.Think of it like the flu vaccination: yes, it's can protect against the flu, BUT it's not guaranteed that you won't get it. In addition, there are different strains of the flu, which can change overtime or affect people differently. I've gotten the flu, and honestly, I think I even got covid earlier this year (before we knew what it was or it became an epidemic). Not to mention the potential side effects from said shot- In addition, you can have covid and be asymptomatic (you don't show symptoms, yet you carry it in your body). That's why some people that haven taken the test came back positive yet weren't sick... interesting huh?Heck you can be a carrier, yet you don't get sick! That's why I would want him to get tested: for my sake and his. Let me give you a scenario: I go on a date with a random guy. He's got a great immune system, never been had covid, or shown symptoms- good for him right? Turns out he's asymptomatic. So if I... let's say kiss him at the end of a date. The droplets from his saliva are exchanged with mine. Now there's a chance I'm going to get sick and contract it-That's worse case scenario, but you see where I'm going. I know people are scared of this epidemic, but a vaccine isn't going to cure it, at least not right now. People need to just practice common sense, good hygiene, and take care of their bodies as best as they can.
thanks... this is pretty much exactly how i see it. and people always tell me i'm stupid cause i'm not so scared of covid...
Fair enough! I hear ya !
Im not touching that damn vaccine. Who knows wtf is in it. Take a shot and you might come out looking like Frankenstein. People are too quick to jump on any and everything out there. Ill wait a year to see how the first wave of peeps pan out from thr vaccine.
@Uptowngirl88 Exactly! People are rushing to get it thinking they're going to be immune or not catch it? ... yeah, let them be the guinea pigs. I promise you I'm not taking it until it's -proven- to work, or my job forces me to- the fact that my job is not mandating it, nor are they encouraging us to take it should say something right there for you people downvoting me, lol
@genericname85 Haha, you are not stupid sir. You're just doing what we should all be doing: living our lives. I'm not saying don't be scared of it; it's definitely real. But if you practice simple steps like washing your hands, good hygiene, and taking care of yourself, even if you do get it, you have a higher chance of recovering from it. I've been saying since this started that eventually ALL of us are going to get it. It's going to be like the cold or flu. If you have a good immune system and health, yes, you will recover from it, possibly even not show severe symptoms! But those that are older, sickly, or have weak systems? Obviously, they're more at risk- again, just like any illness. That's why I'm doing my best to stay fit and healthy so if/when I get it, I will be okay.
yeah i'm not saying it's "not real". i don't wanna have it, just like i'm not gonna go out of my way to get the flu xD common sense. if someone has the sniffles, i'm not going near them. but i disagree with changing the entire society just for this corona thing. and i cerrtainly disagree with coerced vaccination in the case of flu and corona... while i do think in cases of polio, rabies and tetanus for example, getting a vaccine is smart, simply out of risk/benefit calculations, i think flu vaccines are more of a risk to most people, cause if you get the vaccine and shortly after you actually get infected, your chances of having a very severe case of pneumonia and actually dying are drasticly incread BECAUSE of the vaccine... in my opinion, that's why so many people in italy died. cause they have compulsory flu vaccinations.
@Cynicaldreamer if the new covid vaccine will be 100% secure would you take it?
@username1580 the thing is you CAN NOT know that. because it takes 5-7 years at the very least to be "somewhat" sure that there's no delayed adverse effects.it's funny that people get so irrationally scared of covids late adverse effects but they don't care about the same thing when it comes to the vaccine, even though the vaccine is way more experimental and "new" than covid19. did you know that RNA vaccines have actually never been tried on humans? this is an entirely new kind of medicine and we're litterally only taking one year to develop it and check for adverse effects. don't know about you, but to me, that's highly concerning.the cure shouldn't be more dangerous and uncharted than the actual disease...
@genericname85 so basically we just need a lot of time to make sure , like other vaccine.
@username1580 well yeah. in order to know it won't have adverse effects within 5 years, you gotta test it for 5 years, cause otherwise you don't know. you can't skip time. we already know corona viruses and what they do. we do not know how RNA vaccines perform on humans. we have only tested them on lab rats before.
@Cynicaldreamer That is so interesting! Thank you so much for sharing!!
@username1580 Only if I'm forced to! I don't want to scare anyone on here into taking or not taking the vaccine, but I don't think it's necessary. Look at the people that have contracted covid, and lived! And of course people who have not gotten it yet. You know why? They're careful and take care of their bodies! Now if you have underlying health issues, and a stable vaccine eventually comes out would I suggest you take it? YES. But only if your physician advises you to- not because everyone else got it or it's available. Do you research first, read the side effects associated with the shot, and then if you still want it? Go for it! Now my job DOES require me to take a flu vaccination, and this year they're really pushing us to take it. Failure to take it will result in us not being able to clock in- which of course will result in us getting fired : I'm putting my off until the last minute because I'm just stubborn, haha. But I am getting the flu shot. The only people that are exempt from taking it are those that are allergic to the ingredients in it (egg), or it's against their religion.
@navyrobin You are very welcome! :) I didn't mean to turn Coach's question into a lecture series on vaccinations, but I also want people to make educated, smart decisions, rather than being scared or doing something that may not benefit your health.
So, what you’re saying is that you’re clueless and ignorant, huh? 🤔
@CrazyRay43 No, I'm expressing my opinion- which you are entitled not to agree with. Just like I'm not entitled to agree with you or your thoughts. Also, there is no need to call people names or insults; it serves no purpose and it makes it hard for me to take you seriously. But thanks for your input nonetheless! Have a great day :)
@CrazyRay43 You are clueless and ignorant. You need to listen to people who know more about a topic than yourself.
y'all still going at it💀💀
Hi @Cynicaldreamer, can I ask what role you’re employed as in the hospital?
@Cynicaldreamer how come you trust the PCR tests but not the vaccine (by the way I don’t want the vaccine either but I also don’t want a PCR test because of it’s unreliability).
Do you have a medical/healthcare degree or are you in a helper role. There’s differing ideas amongst professionals anyway, and not all are as informed.
@NorthShoreCalling I am a Special Services Coordinator :) And while I do not directly treat patients, I have a Bachelors in Health Studies. Also, keep in mind I do work with physicians and nurses- who I interact with on a daily basis. I might not have a doctrine in medicine, or be an Infection Control specialist, but I consider myself well rounded enough to read and educate myself, along with listen to my colleagues.
@Catlover1999 Hey there!As to why I trust the test over the vaccine? The test is somewhat accurate and reliable- Note how I said "somewhat." I don't fully trust it, but it's better than nothing at the moment. If you have symptoms, or have covid in your system, the test will show up as positive. As for the vaccine? I don't trust it... YET. If you do research on vaccines, it takes years until they're proven to be stable and work. Plus they have to observe you for side effects, if any. This vaccine just came out, and was rushed may I add. And while it appears to be safe, who knows how it might affect the body months, years down the road. To put it bluntly, I don't want to be a guinea pig. Until it's been out for a while, there's no proven side effects, and the CDC tells us it's safe and efficiently works? I'm not going near it. Now I'm not a medical expert, so no, it's not my place to tell y'all what to do. I'm just going by common sense and being careful. Obviously others on here disagree with me: that's fine. I just urge everyone to be careful and do some research before "jumping on the bandwagon."
@Uptowngirl88 Girl... I did not expect my comment to blow up like this! LOL. I feel like this is a Q&A session, LOLI'm just going to blame @coachTanthony for this...
@Cynicaldreamer I didn't either. I said about the exact same thing as you yet no-one said a thing about it
@Uptowngirl88 You did (and I completely agree with you by the way). I guess my reply just fired up certain people for whatever reason 😂I'm on my way to work now: I cannot wait to tell my coworkers about this question and discussion, LOL
@Cynicaldreamer I agree. I’m very concerned about the vaccine myself for the reasons you mentioned. It has been rushed to market faster than any other vaccine and what annoys me the most is that if anyone like us are concerned about it that makes us anti-vaxxers apparently.
@Catlover1999 Oh I will tell y'all right now, I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'm anti-stupidity!!! If being concerned about a new vaccine's effect on my body makes us anti-vax, so be it.
Totally support that, should not be required... but they will push it. what's the side effects. Guarantee you can't show up at work unless you get it, so time to look for another job. How much wanna bet the side effect is that certain BLM and Antifa minded enraged people turn into man eating Zombies? Not too far a stretch. I'll bet.35 cents.
@Cynicaldreamer Ha Ha Ha Just like the good ol days!
Good to know. As do I, including hands onclinical training. It's so interesting how this is being perceived differently in different countries!
All good points!
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Just because you believe in science doesn't mean you have to blindly trust in science. Humans are fallible and their own drives and motivations get conflated with supposedly 'objective' evidence. If you want a thorough exposition about this, you can read about it in Dr Campbell's book, Whole. By the same token, I would suggest that those vaccinated with Pandemrix were also told that the vaccine is safe? Or are things different now? Were we ignorant in 2009 or 10 or whenever it was, and now is our scientific advancement so marked a mere 10 years later that we should listen to the same spiel about it being safe. I found it funny that a commentator described narcolepsy, in their anti- 'anti-vaxx' diatribe, as a 'sleep disorder'. Sure, tell that to the people who committed suicide and had their lives ruined.On the news today (with no hint of irony):https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54420174Fifth article down if you search Essure on the BBC news website:"UK regulators are reassuring women the permanent birth control implant Essure is safe despite concerns in the US. "
@Levin actually my WHOLE STUDY is about not to trust science blindly, therefore my own investigation into the vaccine is not done yet, however, vaccines are one of the most safe drugs that exist. Especially if you look at this vaccine in particular, which is made out of mRNA of the spike protein and not the virus itself, it looks very promising.Also sometimes you have to think about the weight of the general public and those of the individual. A few people might develop some side effects, which is extremely sad and we hope to prevent that at all costs, but we're also in a global pandemic where millions of people are dying everyday, not counting the effects on the economy, mental health etc.Also for the vaccine you described. Many studies have already found no correlation between narcolepsy and the vaccine.Tbh I don't know how the Essure thing is related to vaccines. Drugs and vaccines are quite different.
@MamhattanMan1212 sure waddup
Would you dump or cheat on a guy if he didn’t have a big penis
Thank you! I am amazed by how selfish everyone is. It is not just about you, but everyone around you. And it is not only about getting sick and infecting everyone, it is also about lockdown which makes world economy suffer.
@Dreamy2020 Agreed on all counts. It's amazing to me in a "humanity has really lost itself" way to see so many people be willfully ignorant and happy to endanger the lives of others.It's amazing to me as well how many people seem so confident in their own personal abilities to be a badass, and yet when asked to wear a mask or get a little poke from a tiny needle get so afraid that they begin inventing conspiracies or clamouring about freedom.If it weren't for the thousands dying every day in their own country, it'd be entertaining and hilarious. Instead, it's just pathetic and cowardly.
Yes hence the word "Future" in my question smarty pants!
Well, can anyone really tell the future? Maybe Covid-19 will become seasonal like the flu. In this case, a vaccine won't be necessary. Do you date people that haven't had the flu shot for H1N1?
People aren't being put on ventilators at an alarming rate from the seasonal FLU. Much less dangerous in my opinion. So nobody in the news has said the lethality of this virus will minimize. Appreciate the comments!
You know that a vaccine is made from the same microbe and/or its toxins? Covid-19 survivors report concentration problems, memory loss, neurological symptoms and other problems months after the recovery. www.google.com/.../covid-survivors.amp.htmlWe don't know much about the virus yet
If they say they got vaccinated would you still require them to get tested?
Id want some proof or she’d have to get tested too. We need to be careful, and it t shows I take it seriously.
I guess the question is... if she did show you proof then you would be good to go as in you believe in the vaccine?
Well, yes, assuming it had been approved and was effective. I mean, nothing yet is 100% effective other than the type of social distancing that’s not possible on a date.
Me as well
But I'm from the UK. We (most of us) don't fall for as much political spin that other countries seem to as our scientific validity tools are pretty solid and common sense thankfully is still alive.
I understand caution, that's essential. But being able to weigh up all evidence sensibly is also essential.
Imagine thinking you have the answer to complex questions solved all by yourself when experts are still solving them. 😂 Sane? I think not!