Is racial favorablility racist? The social understanding of racism is as you suggested, but the actual definition covered prejudice which can be negative or positive
Like "you're a good person becuase you're that race" is racist as well, maybe less destructive but still racist
"Is racial favorablility racist?" Like I said, it's only racism if it's a malicious intent against people. Preferences are usually positive, while discrimination is usually negative.What you described in the second one is a positive prejudice (or, "preference"), so its' not racism. You also asked if racial preferences racist in job hiring. No, not necessarily. Like if you're hiring an actor to play Michael Jordan or Martin Luther King, you wouldn't go with a white man for that role. (Though Hollywood has double standards when it comes to "whitewashing = bad, raceswapping whites = okay," which I don't condone due to the hypocrisy).
Is racial preferrences racist in job hiring?
@Asker Dude that isn't equivalent. Think of racial preferences like gender preferences.It's not sexist for a gay man to not want to date women. He can't help what he's attracted to. Yet it's sexist for a man to not want to hire women.
@mistixs Thank you! I couldn't have said it better myself. Racial preferences in dating is completely different!Now if you're showing racial preferences towards job hiring? That's another issue I'm not going to discuss.
So is saying "you're ugly cuz you're a specific race" racist?
Yes that's racist. It would also be sexist if a gay man said "you're ugly because you're a woman". But not being sexually/romantically attracted to someone isn't the same as viewing them as ugly.
But is racism binary, or a spectrum
Oh so you're a troll. Thanks for letting us know
I'm sorry? I personally think racism is a spectrum, having silent biases based on personal experiences with people of a certain race makes you racist to a degree, advocating agaisnt certain races or pushing racial superiority is a higher degree.Can you please explain how that a troll take?
Binary racism is you are or you aren't with no in-between, I don't think it's that simple.
this is how it should befirst, are you a citizen are you born herenextqulaity after that if then it comes toare you a refuge from a war or northkorea type inverment and after then immigreant that just wanted to move to our country.if its arefuge, i would a litte be generus and allow you to be hired, but. i want you to show me, proof that you truly and souly loyal to the country. i do not want to hire some muslim person that disrespect my country my home, and my people that i live withalsothings i would not hire people that wear masks, all the time, but that pointless now next its people who can't handle pork. with out bitching about their religoni bee like, due, you can tuch pork, ok, your relgion state you can't eat it. but their stupied, thus i would say they be haired but i rather hhire a person that can do that jobthus you see my mind set. i also would not hire sjws, and leftist people that art well nuts, sorry i want true normal old fashioned people, old school pre milinal mind set, not this crappy shit we live in,i need adultsi need good workers,i want to hire a citizen before i hire a immigranti rather hire a refuge, that is respecting my home, then a imigrentsi want quailty not quantity. if i want quantity i could just go out and hire bumbs all day and have a crappy work envermentif you can't get along, the their is the exit, simple as that. thinking about skin and shit is stupied, but hey lets diversify instead of haveing a great work inverment
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I'm not using a nuanced version of the word, prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
And preferrences are inheritly a form of prejudicepreconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.
If racial preferences are based on attraction or lack of attraction, that is not a matter of attitude or stereotypical characterization, so such preferences would not be racist. If preferences are based on ideas such as, "I'm not dating any damned hook," then that would be racist. (by the way, I dated a Vietnamese woman this past summer and have previously dated an Indian woman, so I have no bias against Asian women.)
So is fetishization not racist?
Again, not necessarily. You can have a foot fetish and like all feet, or just little Asian tiny feet.I think it comes down to: are you valuing the characterist in that person? Or objectifying her?Those are two VERY different things.I will give you an example. I loved my last girlfriend (it's been over and well resolved for a long time). She was black, I loved her body and her mind. That does not make me racist.Hypothetical "me" suddenly deciding they need black women to get off? Certainly fetishist, most definitely unhealthy, probably racist.You see the difference?
If the context was changed to job hiring, would that not be racist as well?
Of course they are.. But datin is a bit different as it is more personal, and work is based on who can get the job done no matter the skin color.. Like I mentioned in certain cases it can be racist, but in other circumstances it's just simply comfort and choice.
So in more personal circumstances, it's fine to judge on race, am I understanding that right?
Thanks for a thoughtful take.
@hbg84 We won't know until we go to heaven (which I believe), but yup, possibly.
Do you think what we find physically attractive is influenced by social conditions? Like media, family, freinds, etc.
To a point, probably. But in my mind saying someone's subconsciously racist because he thinks Asian women look more beautiful than back women, makes about as much sense as saying he's racist against blondes because he thinks redheads are hot.
Well. Thinking about this again.It could be racist when you don't want to date an other race because you think you are better than them or because you think that they are bad people or something.
The definition of racism is: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.In preferences I'm focusing mainly on the predjudice part. I don't think prefering a race is as bad as racial superiority but I think both are on the spectrum. Not equal tho.
Yeah it's also on the spectrum. But I could live with it if you still treat people with respect.In a perfect world skin tone wouldn't matter at all but some people are just stupid. They don't look further than somebody's skintone and they don't appreciate people enough for their unique beauty in looks, style or personalities.
I agree, I think it's on the spectrum of racism, but it's not as severe, bit I do think it and lead to to facilitate existing rascim min society
And it also just on the reason why you don't want to date a race and how severe you are against dating that race.I mean I do prefer dark eyes on guys, the reason is that I just enjoy how they look, but that doesn't mean that I won't date someone with blue eyes. If you don't want to date black guys because you think you are better than them and you absolutely won't date them, yes that is very racist.But if you prefer the look of pale skin on a guy, but still would date a black guy I think it isn't really racist, right?
I think it is still, because you prefer it if he had lighter skin.You in the example, not you personally
So? I prefer a guy with darker eyes as well, am a hater towards blue eyes? No.I also prefer dating guys over girls, does that make me sexist? No.
Doesn't it out you on the spectrum. of sexism where you limit peoples bonds with you based on gender?
Would you say social racism has an impact on racial preferrences?
As is, because i am a whiteboy the shade of the sun i would be inclined to only date a white because my parents said so? I would say i can. I remember my parents trying to keep me away from the colored folk on the block... but i was a kid, i didn't see color as an issue. I just want to play... same as me being an adult... i wanna play with the hottie over there regardless of her flavor.
Wouldn't it be racist to assume all black women are like that?
Nope, depending on how common it is and which Black woman you met.
So what's a good sample size to make that generalization and prejudge all black woman?
Most Black women are fat, masculine, and are the least attractive, and most of them are bitches.
So you are limiting your dating pool with race as a filter, right?
No, I am very picky when it comes to guys. Even if I wasn’t into white guys out of 80 guys from different races I will like only one.
Does social upbringing a d normalized stereotyping play a role in forming our preferences?
Not necessarily because I know I grew up in the south stereotypically racist but tbh most of us are not I have some buddies who I’d say their parents or grandparents may be racist because the way they talk sometimes mostly grandparents and they lived around them their whole lives but prefer black women I mean no one should be denied basic rights because of skin color but not everyone is attracted to white people or black people or any other race it’s really just a preference but like I said they should all still be treated kindly
Things can be racist without hatred, things like fetishization abd stereotyping can be racist as well.
You must not understand what racism means, fetishizing them and stereotyping them isn't racism, that's just wrong regardless. Racism literally means the thought that someones/their race is superior and the rest are inferior to their own. Those are the people you can are infact racist because they think their race is better than the rest.
What's an example of non racist racial preferrences?
If you’ve grown up in a certain country or around certain people and you admire and respect the people and their culture.
That's culture though
Culture and ethnic group are usually related
They're not mutually exclusive.
I’d say 9/10 times they are. In my experience at least. That’s my opinion, so there you have it. Have a good day
Thanks for the take, I wish it was better thought out
You seem to be arguing with everyone who replies and I’m just not gonna sit here and do that. You clearly have your own opinion about it and if you won’t be receptive to differing opinions then you shouldn’t have asked.
I'm am but the reasoning you and most others present are sublte forms of racism which you guys are all claiming , isn't racism.
If we don’t think it’s racist and you do, who cares? You won’t change anyone’s mind by arguing with them and only pointing out how they’re wrong. You aren’t even trying to find middle ground dude you’re just being a dick
I'm not even arguing I'm asking questions to understand that why you think it's racist.
I see you resorted to personal insults, take care, sorry you can't handle tough topics.
You asked one question and then responded twice to tell me I’m wrong. You’ve made your point, you can hush now.
Trump supporters are really dismissive
Or it can be, at least. I mean if the preference is just based on generally being attracted to one skin color over another, that's not racist.
Even if it's because of stereotyping?
Not not dating someone? Are you saying not being attracted to certain races is racist?
Well if you consider racist as a binary identifier, then yes. If you consider a spectrum where there's are different degrees of racism, I'd say it's an extremely low and neglegible degree of racism that almost every human posseses
If you determine anything about a group of people based in race it's a degree of racism I think.
No you aren't a racist. Your attraction is out of your control. You didn't decide certain races aren't good enough, you just feel the same attraction for them.
Is racism binary or a spectrum?
What about a race would you not want?
I dont care about race
What would be an example of something that you don't like about an entire race of people that isn't predjudice?
People in one race aren't all the same.
I'm confused then, what's a racial preferrence in your understanding?
You prefer a race over another. I'm just saying not everyone in once race looks or acts all the same.
Right, but isn't that racist as you're pre judging a while race as better or worse than another for your purposes? Your as in the subject not you specifically
Its racist if you say this race is better than another race. Its not racist if you say you prefer this one race to date over others
Is someone says they prefer to hangout with white people instead of in ethnic areas, is that not even in the spectrum of racism?
Basically if neo Nazis chnage to "we prefer having whites only in the country so minorities should leave" would be acceptable rheatortic?
If you're bad mouthing a race. Its racist. When you date, you can say you prefer white people. You shouldn't say I like to date white people, I dont like Latinos because they blah blah.
Right but racial preferrence in other facets of society are considered racist, but is dating just a sphere were it's allowed?
It all depends on the intent. If I had an Asian club that helps you become more aware of your Asian culture and we practice Asian stuff. We could possibly prefer only Asians to be there.
Do allow people in based in their looks or have them prove some sort of lineage?
Probably lineage but all hypothetical lol. Anyways you're making it overcomplicated
I don't see how racial preferrences aren't racist.
Okay then, I given my case. If you think its still racist, your freedom to do so then.