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I'm not sure. It depends on the expense of the date and the outcome.
Let's say a guy treats her to a meal at a good but not too expensive restaurant. I never pretended I was a millionaire, so the price of the date had to be reasonable. And I considered the price of her meal money well spent if we had a good time. I think of it more like the price of entertainment; a fun evening. A meal is chump change, especially if we hit it off and want to continue seeing each other.
On her part, she probably spent a lot more time getting ready than did I. That's worth something. Plus, it costs women more to be properly groomed with hair, nails, skin, makeup, lotions, and other products. And most women spend more money on clothing than do men. Guys can practically wear the same thing all the time. But women need variety to dress for certain activities/occasions. That includes underwear, shoes and accessories.
If she went out of her way to look beautiful for me, I'm honored and I want her to feel appreciated. I want her to relax and have fun so that we can get to know each other.
I'm not going to act like I'm doing her a favor by gracing her with my presence. It's more the other way around. I like the lady-gentleman thing. Men and women both bring something special to the table.
It bugs me that some guys are afraid of being leeched off of. "Boo hoo hoo. I paid $40 for her meal and she didn't even suck my dick." That attitude reveals a low opinion of women. And it also reveals stupidity if the guy can't quickly recognize bad character.
I wouldn't spend my life savings on a woman I didn't even know. But I WOULD act like a man and treat her like a lady. Again, dates are for getting to know each other. They are not a transaction. I don't think she owes me something just because I paid for a date. I'm just hoping that we'll hit it off and that our relationship will grow. She'll decide when she's ready for sex.
@19magic. That would be fine. It wouldn't hurt my ego or anything. I've actually had girlfriends offer to pay the bill on a subsequent date. I thought it was very sweet. Or I pay for the meal and they pay for the movie, or whatever.
It's kinda like having dinner with a male friend and them grabbing the bill and paying the whole thing. I've done the same thing and picked up the tab before, too. It's a nice gesture and nothing to argue about. I mean you might say, "No, you don't have to do that", but you just graciously accept when they insist.
Of course it's men. To be considered a suitable option, I have to invest in myself and become what people call a "real man", someone with a career, place, car, savings and also dedicate myself to be physically attractive, in variable ways. I have to spend time and energy approaching women, either online or in person, carrying the conversation most of the time until we get to the point where we meet in person. I'm still expected to pay for it, even though women might deny it or justify it, and the process might happen again and again. Ultimately, all of the effort I just described might've been for absolutely nothing of the woman feels like it, so I get ghosted and get back to the starting point. The only effort women have in the dating world is filtering who's good enough for them or not in a huge pile of options. It's simply no match compared to what men go through.
Women deflect this stance with stuff like clothes, shoes or whatever, as if we gave a shit about it and as if they wouldn't spend money on that if days weren't a thing, or they outright assume that yeah, men should be the providers and if a man doesn't accept it, another will. Personally, I have no problems with a more traditional way, paying for everything and doing everything, but I consider traditional women the only ones deserving of it, and they're a type that's borderline extinct, specially online.
Men do whine about the expenses of dating but what do they expect? Hmmm...
Evolution is that someone has to provide for the family. Men, particularly on this site, go on & on about wanting a woman who'll have a family, raise the kids, etc.
So if the woman is only supposed to take care of children who is paying for the family? The family dog (mind you some dogs may be more useful)? Welfare? Social services?
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It certainly can't be the man if he's too cheap to pay for a date.
It certainly can't be the man if he's too cheap to pay for a meal.
It certainly can't be the man if he's too cheap to pay for gas even to that date.
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I mean what do you expect dating to be?
It's not just getting to know someone - hell if I simply want to know about someone there's this amazing creation called Facebook or Twitter or Instagram and messaging.
Part of dating is to prove you can actually contribute to a household without whining like a bitch about it. Not begrudge it. Just shows you're not good as a potential spouse.
Many men today don't think this way and it's simply biology of men to provide and protect. I'm with ya.
Not sure how you jumped to marriage based on the question. But yes, you would be correct if the woman was a homemaker. She needs to be compensated for her duties. And rightfully so. And she deserves a husband that not only does so, but satisfies all of her needs; not just the basics.
I'm with you regarding most young men these days. Hell, they can't even look another man in the eye and give respect and courtesy when walking by. They just stare down at the ground, totally anti-social. You have many living at home with mommy and daddy.
Last, most of the bitches I know are dudes. So your points don't fall on deaf ears. Bottom line is women need real men. And vice versa.
@Zeus_66 True man True.
How does using your household finances on a stranger prove that you can contribute to a hypothetical household?
@Vegasrunner Easy because if you can't afford to buy a woman a plate of food to get to know her how in the world would she assume you can take care of a family? If you are worried about gold diggers or wasting your time then just vet them better. No high value woman wants to go on a coffee date. That is for college kids and broke people.
@Vegasrunner Not just what coach said but it proves that you consider others without being, to be extremely blunt, an asshole.
No decent woman wants to be involved with someone who'll begrudge every penny. Who'll whine & cry & huff like the ugly old big-bad wolf about the money spent on food or gifts for children.
And why would she want to be involved with such a person?
It is utterly unfair to the children. She may be able to put some money together herself by crafts or selling goods even if she didn't have a job. But why should the child be afraid of getting yelled at or even beaten simply for asking papa for money for a game or skates for hockey?
@coachTanthony Unfortunately you're equating not wanting to do something w/ not being able to afford to do something. You're also randomly bringing up "gold diggers" from thin air. As for a "high value woman" there's no such thing a womans value lies in her youth and beauty and automatically decreases over time. Also your coffee date advice is terrible in my opinion. If a woman really likes you it doesn't matter where you take her. Dinner dates are actually one of the worst first dates you can go on for a ton of different reasons. You're speaking as if the woman is the prize which is what a lot of 80% guys think. Reality is when you are a high value or a 20% man you're the prize and you need to carry yourself as such. My personal 1st date strategy is coffee, so that the woman can prove to me why I should be spending my time and resources on her. I can get away w/ it because I have a lot of woman. perhaps you can't because you dont and you believe you need some grand plan to validate yourself but I promise you if you keep an abundance mentality and work on improving yourself the women will fall in line and you won't have to try so hard. Good luck.
@ADrifter Unfortunately coach is giving advice from a female perspective. From a male perspective a first date or any date for that matter is nothing more than an opportunity to qualify the woman and a chance to create an opportunity for sex to happen. As I told coach if a woman really likes you she doesn't care where you take her she just wants to be around you. Literally have a women that flew in from another country and rented a penthouse suite just to be around me for 48 hours. You're struggling because you're attempting to put your labels on others. ("No decent woman") While jumping to disney fairytale conclusion. You went from a 1st date to making up imaginary financial struggles for hypothetical children which is a huge red flag. No high value man wants a women that thinks like that so unfortunately that mindset will leave you you're stuck competing for the 80% of basic men who can't get women.
@Vegasrunner Women should be vetted properly with phone calls, video chats and texts before meeting in person. If you can't buy a woman a plate of food in order to get to know her then you didn't do your job. If this low rent coffee nonsense works for you awesome keep doing what your doing. Stop grabbing talking points from the red pill BS community. You sound like a broken Reddit record just vomiting everything they say.
@coachTanthony False. The phone is for setting dates. I like other high value men have to much going on to spend a bunch of time yapping on the phone w/ women thats a female trait. If you feel the need to spend a bunch of money or wine and dine a female just to get her attention then that says more about your lack of value than anything else. Reality is its not that difficult. Many females like to use shaming langue "broken, low rent etc" when they can't get their way are unable to articulate their POV. You probably just haven't experienced women being into you which is why you think the way you do however I promise you if you just improve yourself its wayyyyy easier than you think.
@Vegasrunner Get off Reddit kid and get yourself into the real world. No high value guy in the afternoon is on GAG telling others they need to improve themselves. So again get off Reddit and stop pretending. I get paid to be here. You ain't that guy.
@Vegasrunner "Literally have a women that flew in from another country and rented a penthouse suite just to be around me for 48 hours. " - what do I care if a whore did this?
"No high value man wants a women that thinks like that so unfortunately that mindset will leave you you're stuck competing for the 80% of basic men who can't get women." -- TRASH is NEVER considered high value and the fact you can't use PROPER English is a high indication you ARE NOT.
I have had HIGH-VALUE men show interest - multiple property/business owners, the sort who talk about going on cruises the way YOU would talk about going camping for FREE in a KMart parking lot - that women fight over. Because these men have VALUE. You DO NOT.
@coachTanthony I can't speak to the Redditt comment because I dont know what that is. TY for sharing. I now see where your confusion is you've created a belief that no man can be high value if the are participating in relationship discussions on forums. So does that mean that you aren't of high value either since you litetally spend your time doing exactly that? Also I find it interesting how people are always quick to discredit a man when the provide a male perspective for dating by then claiming that successful men wouldn't provide dating opinions. So are you saying that all the women who post on GAG are low value? I do think its cute that you feel the need to share w/ someone like me that you get paid to provide your opinion on a social media platform, my point is that your opinion comes from a female perspective so I can understand why Alpha male strategies would be so confusing to you.
@ADrifter Whether you "care" or not is irrelevant. The story highlights how women behave when they are really into you, unfortunately it sounds like you haven't yet been able to attract the kind of man that you would be into like that. Your teaction is typical as most women like to use shaming tactics (in this case refferring to women as "whores and trash") in an attempt to discredit anything that makes them feel bad. While that sounds good, they fact that you are pretending to know someone like me, leads me to believe that you haven't really interacted w/ many men of any value in your life mich less been successful keeping one. What does your husband do for a living?
@Vegasrunner Thanks for the comments.
@coachTanthony YW. Glad I could help you learn a different perspective.
@Vegasrunner WHY are you on my post troll? It's obvious you're a douchebag who can only attract dimwitted sluts from your responses. NO respectable woman would do what you wrote, get a hotel for 24-48 hours to be with some douche.
I’m not sure. I’ll break down the cost of what it takes for me to get ready for a first date.
(1) Getting my car washed and detailed on the off chance he walks me to my car - $100
(2) Pro hair blowout - $55 plus tip
(3) nails - $70 plus tip
(4) Clothing/shoes - $30 - $300
(5) makeup - I already own plenty, but it’s not cheap, so every application I deplete the amount I have...:
(6) has to go there and back - $10
(7) also, I might get my teeth bleached if I’m getting back into dating ($400), or maybe a facial for my skin ($150).
men pay for the first date, normally, but it’s not like it’s really “free” for the woman.
Has is gas... my hole changes thighs
Wow! Phone changes things
Number one is gold 🤣🤣🤣
Washing and detailing your car yourself is much cheaper. This whole list are lifestyle choices except #6.
I thought women do those for themselves not for the date
@Aiko_E_Lara I do, normally at the start of the work week, though, so I'd pay AGAIN for a date... which normally happen over the weekends
date or not, what difference does it make when you keep spending on your make up even without it anyways?
by the way, you're not even forced to wear make up on dates. Lots of guys would rather like to see who they really are and not get deceived. It's either they just do it for other girls, themselves or they're just insecure. I get that there are guys who would reject a girl because he thinks she dont look without makeup but it's because she dont look good to him not because she isn't wearing makeup.
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Depends on the individual man or woman... Dating doesn't have to be expensive for anyone, people make it that way
Burger King here we come!
🤣 we going dutch right🤔🤣
Uh I thought you were picking up the check?
So, now the women should pay for the man🤔 so do women now get to expect or demand sex then🤔🤣🤣
You can have a chicken Sammy but it's gonna cost you🤣🤣
If women paid and then demanded sex the men would be insulted for sure ha ha ha ha
Why don't I believe that🤔🤣🤣
Ha Ha Ha
I heard the average rich wife spends $100,000 on beauty products, cosmetics, personal trainers (excluding food and clothes and socks and accessories and events) to attract her husband prior to her marriage such as make up, hair extensions, Botox etc…
Women spend more $ on makeup, clothes, skincare to look good.
Men spend more $ on taking these women on dates, buy them flowers 💐 and 🍫.
I would like to believe that in a normal good date, the things would even out? More or less?
Am I correct in the assumption?
Money spent on a single date.
@The_Shadow_Dweller skincare is not cheap. Let’s say you take her out on a nice restaurant with steaks 🥩 at $40 per plate, plus appetizer and dessert and drinks 🍹, you can assume you paid more than her on her skincare. But women splurge $ on beauty and fashion regardless their status. So not really … I am talking of course for those who actually spend $ on these things
I understand what you are saying. Cosmetics is really expensive if you go for the right and authentic products.
Added on are the procedures and therapies that are done on the skin, hair, nails etc. I heard, they are also expensive ones if you get them done from good salons.
I get it now.
you're not even forced to wear make up on dates. Lots of guys would rather like to see who they really are and not get deceived. It's either they just do it for other girls, themselves or they're just insecure. I get that there are guys who would reject a girl because he thinks she dont look without makeup but it's because she dont look good to him not because she isn't wearing makeup. Also talk about skin care, that's more of a personal thing than a dating thing.
@Aiko_E_Lara yes 🙌 true. But guys won’t dictate if the girl wants to be bare faced on a first date especially. A woman goes to a date in the hopes to find Mr. Right. So they’ll want to put their best face forward….
I said "It's either they just do it for other girls, themselves or they're just insecure." If they're doing it for their dates then that reasoning falls under the "insecure" category trying to deceive a guy by making themselves look different.
And what? Is it a big deal if guys have beauty standards while you can just have standards that guys have no control over like height and dick sizes? It's not different if a guy use an extender for their penises or shoes that will make them inches taller.
I don't now. I'm a man and I've never been a woman.
Let me preface this by saying that I am traditional and have no problem paying for dates.
More expensive for men. For women, they do not have to buy extra makeup. They can use what they already have. Same with outfits. So I do not count the cost of makeup or clothing when deciding how expensive dating is. Men, however, typically do not use anything besides their daily wash routine so if we want to spice things up we have to buy whatever we do not already have. Again I am not counting this factor when deciding expensiveness of dating.
First factor is gas to get there. This cost is equal if they both drive to the date. If the man picks the woman up, then he is the one eating the cost of gas.
Second factor is the meal itself. This one can vary depending on if he is footing the entire bill or if the bill is being split. If he is footing the bill (which is the most likely outcome), then he absorbs ALL the cost. If the bill is split, then it is whoever orders the more expensive food/alcohol that pays more. When I take a woman on a first date, I cover everything except alcohol. I do not drink anymore so there is no point in paying for that.
The final factor is the activity picked. Kinda like with the food. It comes down to who is paying for what, but this is typically where the man is heavily expected to fund the entire deal.
If it is a traditional dating scenario, the man is paying for everything so there is no cost to the woman except her own gas if she meets him, which I recommend for safety reasons. If it is a split-bill scenario, then it comes down to whoever orders more.
None of the women here have factored in the cost of having a great vagina for the date on the off chance you'll have oral sex or penetrative vaginal intercourse. Women go to extra lengths to ensure they have no bacterial or yeast infections. Many women will get waxed so their date can enjoy hairless oral sex for a long time. Women will pay for birth control pills or an IUD. Women who have unprotected sex will pay for the cost of the abortifascient (the morning after pill to prevent pregnancy for women who didn't use birth control). Women who have herpes ( anywhere from 8 to 20% of women depending on age ranging from 20 to 50) will need to pay for valtrex to prevent herpes outbreaks. Women who have had multiple pregnancies and are post menopausal have little muscle tightness in their vagina so they often need a vaginal rejuvination surgery (to tighten the vagina and retract sagging labia). So having a great vagina can really add up. Guys, you may want to thank your date when she spreads her legs and asks you to go down on her next time.
Dating is only expensive if you want it to be. It’s not a gendered thing. I personally don’t understand why a date would be expensive. I’m happy just spending time with someone, first date should be getting coffee or meeting at a cafe (which isn’t expensive and establishes whether effort for a second date is worthwhile) then maybe watching a movie at their place and cooking a nice dinner as a second date.
So you go on one coffee date with someone then decide to go on a second date. Sooner or later you will want to do something with this person and that costs money. This isn't about whether or not one date is expensive but dating overall.
Well then it doesn’t apply to me. I only do 3 dates before deciding whether I want a relationship with someone or whether I don’t want to see them anymore. And it’s only really the first date that costs something as you’re buying a coffee or a drink, but that’s $10 at most. Not expensive at all. My 2nd and 3rd dates are never expensive. My dating experience overall has never been expensive.
Greatly comes down to the couple and the individuals.
Poor people date, I managed to grow up in a really poor area, most of us dated and managed without making money a major thing.
i dated a girl who’s father gave her pocket money that was more than my then annual wage.
She saw nothing wrong with spending a few hundred on a night out.
These days if going on a date, then I am likely for some of dates to spend cash, as I can, equally can go on a picnic with food from local supermarket.
Time is money, and so far as time invested in a date- or any activity, it is clearly women.
[example] The SO were relaxing at the pool in the late afternoon when I suggested that we leave and go out of for dinner.
"Are you crazy (cray-cray is what she calls it)? I'll need at hour to shower and an hour to do my hair. Then I'll have to put on makeup, pick an outfit and dress..."
"Okay, I get it."
I need ten minutes to shower, shave and comb my hair, plus five minutes to grab a shirt from the closet and put on a pair of pants.
I heard a Miss Brasil say something to the effect of “women, we invest a lot into looking good…nails, hair, make up. The least guys can do is pay for dinner at a date”, I thought that comment doesn’t apply to me but it might be the way most women these days see dating. I don’t think it should be like that because the guy didn’t ask for it in the first place.
The guy didn't ask for what?
For the girl to spend her money on make up, nails, hair cut… 🤦🏻♀️ is just irrational to spend so much money on unnecessary stuff.
But women insist they do all that for themselves. Lmfao
@bamesjond0069 women do it for themselves but also do it for you when you take them on a date. Men get so caught up in the toxic feminism that they lump all women into that group.
Women want to make a good first impression by looking and smelling nice. I wouldn't want to go on a date with someone who doesn't have themselves put together. Women understand it's in a man's nature to provide and protect so they know they will pay for the date at least they can do is look and smell nice and provide a great atmosphere in doing so.
@coachTanthony i agree and disagree. One use of even expensive makeup is pennies. Also you know as well as i, from the numerous polls, men prefer less makeup. So its not even possible for a woman to use more than $3 of beauty supplies and have it be for mens benefit. So technically a small amount could be but its so negligible.
Women say they wear it for themselves and men say they dont like it so im inclined to believe they wear it just because they are highly insecure. This would not make it applicable as a cost for a date. Just as if a mans insecure about his height when he was already 6ft 2in the cost of risers is ridiculous to tally on as a cost of dating.
@bamesjond0069 I date high value women who wear expensive clothes, perfume and jewelry. It definitely makes a huge difference especially when we are at a nice place over looking the city and not at some coffee shop where we both would be out of place. Look... you do you. Everyone has to go on their own journey. There is no right or wrong way. Do men spend more money on dating? I know I do but the women I date are not far behind.
@coachTanthony but like im saying do they buy a $500 dress and wear it once only for you? Do they buy $70 makeup that is single use? Any price makeup and clothes for a single date is actually almost nothing. Plus if you count items that are essentially necessary hygiene and just "being an alive adult" do you consider the rolex you wear? Your bmw? Your million dollar house if y'all go home together. Just seems silly for a man to count those things and a woman as well. I dont count the cost of a business meeting a $2000 suit. I own the suit for myself whether i go to a business meeting or not. Now all a sudden there's a meeting and i bill them "hey fyi i had a $2000 suit from 2 years ago but i wore it as part of our business deal... line item suit" lmfao.
@bamesjond0069 You obviously haven’t dated high value women with this question. Yes there are many single item uses for dates. The woman might get a blow out just for you or pick up some perfume that they know you like. Or get a spray tan session so they radiate. Not sure where your going with this …men spend more in dating I think we agree so not sure why your trying to convince me that men spend more when I agree with you.
I think those things are the rare exception. Personally i wouldn't want to date a woman who did those things for a date for more than a special occasion after we had been in a serious relationship. Huge turn off otherwise.
And yes we agree men spend more. But im just saying i dont even buy the womens argument. Getting dressed is not the cost of a date and its nonsense argument to even entertain that.
Look, even if you take into account the dresses, makeup, birth control, etc. (which we use ANYWAY) I'm pretty sure guys spend more on gas, food, and everything freaking else!
On the other hand, if we're discussing opportunity cost... I don't know.
It's definitely men, traditionally speaking men pay for all of women's expensenes when going out, food and gas to drive them around, and buying them jewelry, and women can't count makeup and clothes because they always say it's not for men, it's for themselves right?
who in the world is buying women jewelry on a date?
Oh okay gotcha
Men are expected to pay during the date, though they really shouldn't be since it is supposed to be a kind gesture and show of financial stability.
But, due to men being expected to pay, many women exploit that by only doing dates for free stuff & food, then kicking the guy to the curb to go to the next one. It's why i do coffee dates.
I have never had a woman exploit me and kick me to the curb because I properly vet them accordingly. Coffee dates to me feel like job interviews. No reason for them if the person is properly vetted.
I do coffee dates because it is a safe environment for both of us who have never met to meet up in a public place with little to no chance of each of us worrying about being used. Plus the gamer cafes have board games
On another note, i live near a city that has a human trafficking issue and a good amount of toxic entitled women that use men for free stuff. So a safe environment for a date is a great place to meet for dates
Women spend much more on personal appearance but men spend much more on dating. The average man spends about $140 per date. Obviously there are cheapskates but we are talking averages. Two dates per week and your out $1,120 per month. The average women spends around $300 per month on hair and makeup. It definitely depends on the person and circumstances but in general It’s more expensive for men. Personally I really don’t care. I look at dating as taking someone out you have an interest in getting to know better. If it were a friend or family member I would offer to pay just as an act of kindness not because I expected anything in return.
I think honestly the expense has to be distinguished in monetary or in mentally terms.
Monetarily, I can say easily it’s man sustaining the most expenses, due to the high number of men that offer dinner or care for transportation of the partner.
Otherwise, mentally it’s equal, for both man and woman, since both employ high mental energies for dating. The amount of energy depends on the grade of interest in that dating experience.
Psh definitely guys do. All the comments I see on here about women spending money on beauty stuff is their choice and it's their lifestyle anyways. Going on a date it's usually always put on the guy to ask her out and pay for the date. Not to mention picking her up, taking her on the date, and going to other places afterwards as well, and he pays for those places too. I've been there, done that many times. A good woman though that isn't a gold digger will offer to pay half or pay every other time like it should be.
If you just consider the date itself, men.
If you also consider the prep work for the date, women.
Makeup and wigs are not expensive
@Lickmymeet Sure if you buy it from walgreens.
You think most women are paying top dollar for the best make up and wigs 😑 no they can’t afford it
@Lickmymeet The women I date can so to each their own man.
Then the women you date aren’t very bright because the difference in the cheap stuff and expensive is nonexistent like people who buy organic eggs when they have the exact same nutritional value as regular eggs
Women can’t say it’s expensive for them because they choose to buy the most expensive brand that’s going to do the exact same thing as the regular priced ones
@Lickmymeet U got that wrong. The only Walgreens brand that is ok is Roc and Maybelline Great Lash. I'm sorry if u cannot afford nice brands, but some day u should try Estee Lauder, Dior, Clinique is ok, Too Faced is good, and some Chanel. U r young yet. U can preserve wut u have w/at least Estee Lauder Daywear. It's only $50 but it's worth it!
@Lickmymeet super naive my man. Many high end brands don’t do the same or feel the same as cheaper brands and you simply can’t put a price on confidence. I wear Gucci because I admire the brand and makes me feel confident that I am wearing something of quality. You’ll get there! Or not. Lol
@TransAm85 I didn’t follow any of that 😂 you realize I’m a dude right but from what I’ve seen it’s the exact same sht some of it just cost more for I guess status
See what I mean it’s a choice because I personally think Gucci is tacky I wear like Levi Strauss and Uniqlo you don’t need the most expensive thing to have confidence you just need what you’re comfortable in
@Lickmymeet They still make skincare for guys. It's not just for status. I've used Estee Lauder since I was like 12. My Grandma used to give me her seasonal sample bags. Of course I was too young to understand, but I still used the stuff. Then after high school my friend started going to beauty school. U think that shit they put in drug store brand stuff is not animal tested and "organic"? It's all chemicals. Or even just go on Etsy and buy some homemade skincare stuff. I buy some serum from this lady on a farm in West Virginia! lol I mean, if udc bout ur skin or hair or w/e.. then fuck it. I tried to help u out cuz ur so young still!
@TransAm85 I do and take very good care of my skin it’s called soap , water and sunlight diet plays a part in your skin too skin needs nutrients too nobody needs any of that artificial crap or chemicals on their body you people would rub cat shit on your face if a company told you it’ll make you look 20 years younger stop believing everything these people say cosmetic industry didn’t become so lucrative without corrupt leadership all of that stuff is chemicals and yes you will be more attractive with it but the damage it does to your actual skin is horrendous and you know what you’ll need to fix it? MORE OF THEIR PRODUCTS! You want good clear skin? then wash it , eat vegetables, drink water ONLY water
@TransAm85 that’s a waste of money when you can just not be lazy and take better care of yourself
@Lickmymeet Yes Vitamin D is very important.. Since u know so much, y don't u be a cosmetologist?
@TransAm85 I actually wanna be a nutritionist
@Lickmymeet That's cool.. u sound like u know a lot about the stuff. Go for it!
@Lickmymeet Gucci is not even close to being the most expensive thing... it's what I like and wear just as you said so I agree.
@coachTanthony well yeah I was just saying like if someone gave you 40 dollars to spend at Walmart you definitely could come out of there with an outfit something nice, comfortable, and made you feel confident
@Lickmymeet How in the world would you feel confident wearing anything from Walmart? If you are poor or make poverty wages okay then have at it. The quality just isn't there.
@coachTanthony well I assume you have some type of style the man makes the fit the fit doesn’t make the man
Well if women are associated thing they spend on them selves for the date than men should two.
We have to look good so that gym membership ain’t cheap
Not to mention have a decent vehicle that’s a month payment
Hair cut
Clothing
Not to mention that college degree for a higher salary that makes us more appealing.
Then there’s the gas for the date not to mention driving to work every day so we can afford the date to begin with.
Razors toothpaste toothbrush etc.
Hygiene is important right?
Personally I don’t see a difference in the cost of “dating” however the first date is usually coming out of the man’s pocket
Let’s define the cost of dating what you spend on the other person not your self
And for that I think it’s very arbitrary.
Well, Id say for men, although women wear fancy clothes and perfume, and makeup and such, men wear cologne and fancy clothes too, and if he's a gentlemen he'll pay for the dinner. But that's straight dating, obviously for gay men, it's men, and for lesbian women, it's women.
Clearly it costs girls a substantial amount to get pretty but in most case the depreciation and applied Value ends in a wash…
Guys spend more cash in real-time but it is a responsibility that comes with initiating relationship. And if relationship flourishes the cost changes as it becomes a joy. Don’t know about you but a lit up face, an intimate partial embrace, and a happy girl is worth expense “outside of Channel” 🙃
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