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Everyone thinks it's a playground and it's their turn on the swings. As a veteran of the 101st Airborne I say say pack a unit with these women, send them to the hot zones and when the body bags start rolling in we can await the cries of how it wasn't fair.
Can someone please tell me how that little blond girl is supposed to carry me to a safe zone? I'm 6'1" and weigh 216lbs/98kg... Side note, ambulance paramedics are mostly male because of this reason, same goes for firefighters.. I'm for equal opportunity but not when it jeopardizes safety..
I think that any PERSON capable of doing any job should be able to get the job. It's really that simple. If they can do the minimum the men can do, then they get the job. Many women can, and many women cannot.
And if there's a job a woman is better suited for in the military should she not be put in the position where she can be of the most help? Or should we hold others back on account of her? By that I refer to how the military has been lowering minimum requirements for different services because women CAN'T meet the minimum. The British special forces lowered their requirements because a woman had never met the minimum. If a woman could have done the minimum... so be it. I wouldn't be in favor of it, but so be it, I can't stop her. But there are virtually no women who CAN do it. The result is that people are trying to be politically correct and make it easier for women to BE on the front line. That's more so the issue I think than anything else.
@EpicDweeb If she's doing the same work as a man, then she should get the same job as the men with those abilities. There are plenty of women who deserve the right to work on the front line. There are plenty of men on the front line who should not be. Get real. It's not all politics. Most women joining the military never see action, same as most men joining. Different jobs after they join have different requirements before they are assigned. Men get kicked out every day for not meeting the male requirements as well. Perhaps they are a bit ridiculous.
Again if that is what happens then okay... but the issue is that people are changing the requirements so that women can meet the minimum. It's not a matter of women being able to do the same job, and a lot of the point is that most women CAN'T do the same job. They can meet a minimum, but they cannot match the men. If they could it would be a different issue, but they can't. Well... maybe they can in Scotland. Scottish women might be able to match up against American marines.
Look if a woman reaches all the physical requirements And wants to I don’t see why not.
We've already got a system that works and there is no need for the additional costs associated with allowing women in the infantry.
there shouldn’t realistically be any massive additional costs. Use the same bath rooms. I don’t know about army sleeping arrangements but I’m assuming it’s multiple different rooms already so just fill them up same sex like a dorm room.
I don't think it's a great environment to have 1 or 2 women sleeping among 15-20 or so men. If I was a women I'd feel quite vulnerable in that situation. It can be quite a hostile environment sometimes.
Stop pretending you care about women. This whole Take amply demonstrates that you see them as second-class citizens.
@1derfulguy I suppose the women who agree with my position, the women who know far more about the topic than you, they must not care about themselves, because they're women? Well I think you'll find it's quite the opposite, they have this view because they DO care about themselves and their fellow women.
@1derfulguy you're from denmard, we get it you're all pussies there, muslims are literally fucking your women before you without you even daring to talk to them , now pealese stfu
So here’s a pro tip integrated squads with women in frontline squads do not perform as well as an all male unit; the USMC conducted a study on it.
Come on show some boob and war is over
Front line is for women!
As someone who has been in the front lines, fighting alongside a special operations unit, I slightly agree with you.
Not all women have been created/born to be in the front lines.
Some female only paramilitary organizations around the world work and have been effective against ISIS but a paramilitary is not the same as a military. Without going into details women can be useful in combat but not in the military.
this is the dumbest shit i've heard all day... then again, it's gag. if a chick is fit enough to serve and wants to do it, then let her. most of this is asshat logic that's bitching for the sake of bitching that has nothing to do with the ability to serve other than you finding a reason to complain.
Not as simple as that.
it pretty much is... a lot of your reasons are simply flat out stupid. increasing unnecessary costs? fuck, we just had tax cuts and federal programs, but raised the budget less than a month ago $700 billion. the military spends more on air conditioning alone than the entire nasa budget and the president wants a military parade using goddamn tanks for no actual reason. air force 1 refrigeration just ran up a 24 million tab on taxpayer money... get the fuck outta here with that weak shit
Ok, so you've now mentioned one point I've made. It's an additional cost for NO benefit. If you think choosing not to spend money on something because it offers no improvement to capability is stupid, you've got some serious issues.
Now, onto the other 5 points.
lol! that's so adorable that you think that's the only point i've got... don't flatter yourself that you think you made other good points; you didn't :|
Great, it should be easy for you to counter them then. I'll be waiting.
no, cause i'm not indulging your stupidity, especially when others have already explained them... not 1, not 2, but 3 people who've served in the military and told you your opinion is objectively full of shit, which it shouldn't take to realize that.
Ok, if you don't have the mental capacity to debate, if you don't have the mental capacity to have an objective discussion... Everything you say is baseless, there's literally no point in commenting.
My 'opinion' and the reasons I've given are common reasons heard within the military among members of infantry and not one person has countered any one of these points.
You made a feeble attempt to talk about cost which I showed to be completely ridiculous, you then just went quiet and didn't mention it again. Good job.
don't give yourself too much credit. and there's a reason you went anon, cause you know you're embarrassing yourself with stupid opinions
Every take I write is anonymous, because it's not about me, it's about what I write. You're just trying to change the subject because you're unable to engage in a proper debate.
uh, huh... i do like your mental gymnastics for going anon. and don't confuse being unable and wanting to engage in a proper debate. but usually, when i engage in a debate with someone, it generally requires the other person to not say something even half as stupid as the shit you spewed in this mytake. like i said earlier, i'm not indulging in stupid shit.
Yeah, you're not indulging in it of course. Yet you still manage to continually comment, it's just you continually comment nonsense. I mean I could maybe understand if you had other things to do and didn't comment, but that's not true is it? You want to comment, just you lack the ability to say anything relevant or intelligent. Nice try.
well, 1 cause i'm not doing anything else right now beyond watching tv and making dinner, and 2, this is somehow more competent than the crap you managed to write a mytake about. lol, the 1st response i did, i addressed your take, which you said was bullshit despite giving facts and figures, so if that's the case, i'm not going to waste time talking to someone who's just going to back up dumb shit. please don't give yourself that much credit.
You've acknowledge one point, which I countered with pretty much stuff I've already said and then you stopped saying anything about it. You say you've got time, time to comment nonsense and that's it? You're not proving anything other than you're hear to talk nonsense. You're clearly not a lawyer.
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yeah, that's pretty much it, actually. congrats. you figured out what i explicitly stated. wanna cookie, detective phelps?
Your immaturity is astounding. Lesson for you, don't expect anyone to respect you when you make statements that you don't even the ability or the intelligence to back up.
trust me, you are towards the bottom of the totem pole whom i'm seeking respect from. let's get that straight. but i'm glad you hold yourself in that high esteem. let's put it in a way that maybe you can understand. i'm not going to respect or attempt to have a semi intelligent conversation who wants to debate whether putting your head in fire will hurt your face
I'm not talking about myself, I'm talking about people in general. Anyways, on the basis that you're incapable of putting 2 brain cells together and bringing forth an intelligent and objective argument and instead resort to 'your points are st00pid', your opinion is therefore invalid and there is no point in continuing this conversation. Good day.
trust me, i can handle myself. don't you worry. and that's ironic considering the person saying i can't put 2 braincells together is dumb enough to think that women, regardless of if they're qualified physically and mentally are incapable of serving front line because it's feminist propaganda... you really can't make this shit up :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Wrong.
Women can last though more than men. Our bodies store fat in a different way than men, so we can last longer without food. We can survive through more. Men might be stronger than women on average but women are tougher.
Along with that, many women ARE just as capable as men. We have EVERY right to fight alongside men
And you're a woman serving in the military are you? What's your experience? What do you have to say to the overwhelming amount of women who have failed to complete infantry training, what do you have to say the the women who have had to endure serious injuries and disabilities as a result of being forced to undertake the same training as men?
And war isn't about rights. It's about capability and completing the mission and objectives. If adding women to infantry does not improve infantry, there is no point in doing so. Particularly when considering the cost associated in doing so.
Lol you know he doesn't have much of an argument when he refuses to debate with anyone who isn't actually IN the military.
@1derfulguy Where did I say I was refusing to debate with anyone who isn't in the military? Quote it.
If I was refusing to debate with anyone who wasn't in the military, I wouldn't be responding to anyone here.
I simply ask the question to see what experience people have. To see if they're talking from a position of knowledge or a position of ignorance.
Right above my comment, dude.
@1derfulguy I said quote it.
Lol you're down to pretending you didn't say something you said a few comments ago. Weak.
@1derfulguy You again, got that quote yet?
@1derfulguy That's the biggest problem with woman,
Lying won't get you anywhere and I would like to see your evidence pointing to the "Fat theory" and I am telling you in advance "I am student of Medical science"(3rd year of MD), so don't try to lie to me.
Who the hell in the world said, Woman are tougher than man?
If I through a spider or cockroach in your closet, you won't even enter the room. Woman are weak, mentally and physically accept it or if you like I can provide you with scientific evidence regarding it.
Feminism uses the government to make sure ladies are respected but,
Government is providing it, you don't own it and of-course don't earn it either. So good-luck with anyone respecting you in future cuz
Try to own, rather than ask for it like a beggar.
"Man own it and you should do the same" and if you took scientific approach to it. NAhh evolution is not going to take new step here and you will end up like every female gender in animal kingdom===Below man
Please for GoD sake read your High school course again,
Fat only provide energy by glyconeogenesis but a solider also need protein, fatty acid, vitamins and minerals to survive.
High school use to teach these things but I am not sure, now after reading your response.
You need protein or amino acid to repair the dmg due to physical injury and woman can' even hold a pee properly and menstruates to waste the Nutrients and you were talking about the toughness !
"Women can last though more than men. Our bodies store fat in a different way than men, so we can last longer without food. We can survive through more. Men might be stronger than women on average but women are tougher."
Must Be A Troll
1 let's not forget that the British military had to lower its standards a lot to let women in the special forces.
2 most women lost their shit when it was proposed that the draft would include women.
3 they preach feminism and equality, but when it gets ugly like #2 they want to back the fuck out
On the front line= cannon fodder
Nobody should be used as cannon fodder
I agree.
Lol what a silly Take. If war is such a burden on men, how come so many volunteer? Super condescending to not think women capable of making that choice for themselves.
Besides. it's not like you don't have weedy little guys in the military. Women are more conscientious on average, hence likely to stay more fit. Modern warfare is hardly physical. It's more technical. Pretty much anyone can do the basic stuff. Norway even has an elite female unit. They're better shots than men.
I did my national service which was firefighting, rescue and environmental cleanup. We were about 100 guys and 1 (attractive) girl. She was MORE than capable, and she had CHOSEN to do it. She was more disciplined and competent than many of us guys. Some guys tried to sneak into her room, but she dealt with that pretty calmly. She was cool.
Like I've said, additional costs for no benefit. Therefore it's not necessary. 'Weedy little guys' don't get pass infantry selection, unless they're more than capable.
What costs? Might women bring other advantages? I guess you don't believe that. Stuff like not doing dumb shit, which we all know young men excell at.
Costs associated with medical considerations, costs associated with separate accommodation, separate bathrooms. You've already seen me answer this as you're commenting on everyone's opinions.
Lol such a dumb argument. But convenient if your agenda is no women in the military. The military overspends like mad on things like new fighterplanes. We are talking billions of dollars down the toilet. And you're talking about a few extra bathrooms and dorms for women. Smh. Israel seems to think it's worth it to have women do military service.
"But convenient if your agenda is no women in the military" What does that have to do with anything? I fully support women in many roles of the military? Did you even read the take?
Yes, because new fighter aircraft are designed to improve capability. If it doesn't improve capability, it doesn't happen.
Lol they're also designed to line the military-industrial complex's pockets. And they were planned before drones became widespread. A mind-boggling sum has been spent on the F-22 (which is such a cool machine that I kinda don't mind), as well as the F-35. But I guess your argument is similar to Trump's about why he didn't want transgender people in the military: because of the health costs. Which turned out to be laughably small.
The F-22 and F-35 are upgrades on the F-18, the F-16, the F-15 etc and therefore worth the expenditure. You'd know what my arguments are if you read my take. All 6 reasons.
Lol great logic "upgrades" = worth the expenditure. Smh.
Yes, generally that's why you would spend money. There's no point in spending money if it provides no benefit. Pretty basic logic..
Basic sounds about right...
... And you've got no rebuttal. Thank you.
Some pretty women are just to precious to risk their lives at war.
Fuck you, fuck you, and in the name of these united states that I love FUCK YOU. Marines aren't men or women, they're goddamn MARINES! Hoo-ah!!
''Do women compete against men in sports like football, boxing etc''
Says it all really... if you can't compete don't try and sign up. The safety and quality of our troops is much more important than 'inclusion' for the sake of stupidity.
The man who beat up the lady in video is gay, that's all I gotta tell yah.
I mean, this is a fight that the woman asked for she claimed to be able to beat any man and she couldnt even beat one of her friends let alone an enemy , this is not a day to day situation at the grocery store in the military she is expected to be beaten like men if she can't do that she doesn't belong there, you think the enemy will spare you for being a woman? ... on second thought they might, but will rape you for days afterwards
If a woman wants to serve her country with a rifle, I'll buy her an optic.
Women being on the front lines is only to women's detriment. They'll be the first ones killed or captured, and they won't like being captured.
So you're saying men should be in the infantry and women should be with infants?
Try again.
" I fully support women being in the military, many women have contributed a great deal for their country and they should be proud. However not all roles are fit for women and it's important that this is understood."
I just couldn't resist the word play.