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I make 114k usd playing football (soccer) thats more than average right? I hear the wage gap everywhere and i dont know what to think about it. For the same job position and same working hours etc i agree people should be payed the same..
I think people should just negotiate higher pay if they are willing to work for it. Your earnings are highly personal and its possible to negotiate with your boss for getting higher pay for higher performance.
thanks for the mho.
These surveys are crap, and they don't take into account a number of factors.It's not enough to compare "similar work" - you also have to compare similar PERFORMANCE.I bet if you look at the NBA, black men make more than white men doing "similar work" (playing in the NBA). Why? Because you aren't taking performance into account. The majority of the best NBA players are black. Does anyone believe that these top players should be paid less to equal the white players who don't perform as well?I had a buddy that sold cars for a couple of years. The best salesperson was a woman - she outsold the guys 2- or 3-to-1. She was attractive, but not amazingly so, but she studied hard, could answer almost any question (not just about cars, but also credit and financing), and was really good at fitting cars to people's needs. Should she have been paid what the men were making?The facts are that women make less overall because they choose less demanding or dangerous jobs and work fewer hours. Minorities make less because (on average) they have lower grades in school and have less education.Asians are the highest paid minorities because they get good grades, go to college, and participate in high-quality electives - because those things are important in their culture. Asians also support each other tremendously - far more than blacks or Latinos, helping each other start businesses, win contracts, or whatever. They understand the game and invest heavily in playing it well.So blaming racism and sexism is mostly crap. Culture is the biggest factor by far.
We need to look into the causation. I don't think we'll get any real consensus on what that is though. For me, I know education is important and so is the access to higher education. Blacks typically are uneducated or undereducated because of a plurality of reasons that include poor social assistance from government in schools, poverty among their parents (which creates a cycle) and the refusal to learn the "the white man's English". This is something I know for a fact exists in the south because I've heard it my whole life. Many black folk choose to speak and write incorrectly as it's perceived to be something that belongs to them whereas traditional vernacular is seen as "white people talk". But a big issue is underfunding in a lot of largely black areas. Of course underfunding exists largely everywhere but they specifically take a hit. However, it's also true that amount of black people considered wealthy when compared to their overall population is also high. The amount of athletes and music artists balance it out to where we see a decent proportion of black people arr insanely wealthy in a short amount of time and make more money than white musicians on an average basis.
You know this wage gap thing has been debunked a while ago, right? Many of the top earners in the country are Asian who also graduate high school and universities in higher numbers and consequently get into high salary fields such as tech. They're not being paid less because of their race, it's because of the choices they make. I'm latino, was an illegal immigrant until I was 19, went to school, studied hard, got into a job that pays 99k a year. How'd that happen? Choices. Men get into high salary fields, take less time off, negotiate for their salary more often, often take more dangerous jobs that pay more.
well shit, this is a death trap, but fuck it. Just to let everybody know, I am not sexist or racist and I believe all sexes and genders deserve the equality of opportunity. One of the problems with the gender pay gap, and I assume the race pay gap even though I have not looked into it yet, the numbers tend to be taken into account without different variables. Variables that heavily impact the numbers and are natural are the different genders; variables like childbirth, agreeability, how some people are raised, etc.
The "gender pay gap" is a myth that has been debunked. There was a time in the past when it was highly likely that women might be paid less for doing the exact same work as a man at the same performance level. But today, to the extent women earn less than men it's because of the autonomous choices they freely make about what fields of work they go into and what jobs they seek. Generally speaking, as a demographic cohort women prioritize certain things more than men when it comes to career and work choices.
There is still a very small gender pay gap which could be eliminated by giving women wage negotiation courses. When it comes to being paid, women are more likely to settle for a lower wage and avoid the confrontation and negotiation. However it's everyone's choice to maximize their income. If one settles for less, we can't force them to take courses on how to successfully to demand more.
This is debunked. People are not paid significantly different for the same work and same hours worked. The numbers given are not consistent on either of those. They basically compare different classes of jobs like doctor and teacher and ask why they aren't paid the same.
Neither. Both are bullshit and based solely on what careers you choose, how much effort you put in and how good you are at making the best with what life gives you. Racial and gender pay discrimination has long been outlawed. Instead of whining, make an effort to increase your education and marketable skills.
The problem with making the best with what life gives you is that life doesn’t give equally to everyone. Some racial groups get less on average than other groups. Just because a law is repealed doesn't mean that the effects of that law are magically nullified. Clearly someone whose grandparents were legally discriminated against will on average have a tougher life than someone whose grandparents were treated as normal citizens. Saying otherwise is either ignorant or disingenuous.
The only reason someone gets paid differently is if they are doing different work/ less work. Statistically there is only a wage gap between men and women because women have longer maturity leave which means they go longer without getting paid. Its illegal to pay someone differently based off of gender or race.
Well read the statistics (not above)... usa doing a lot of illegal shit
I dont really look at USA stats because I'm Canadian and it doesn't effect me. but maybe I'll check them out
The racial pay gap is more indicative of societal inequality. The gender pay gap can happen for many reasons, some of which are not discriminatory. (But I'm not saying that females getting paid less than men is never discriminatory, because a lot of times it is.)
The racial gap is more disturbing. Just because someone is of another race doesn't make them more qualified for the job. I work with some lazy people who aren't black and dont deserve a higher wage. Gender doesn't bother me because the man should be the bread winner because the man is the provider.
There is no gender pay gap. But there is a racial pay gap.
So if a white guy was a nurse ans a white girl was a nurse, he doesn't make more than her although theyre the same race?
Nope. The reason feminists say there's a pay gap is because they don't understand what it's based on. It has to do with career choices men and women make. Men tend to go for jobs that are tougher thus have higher wages. Women prefer lightweight jobs that pay less. There could be a tiny gap which is caused by men being more willing to negotiate by asking for a higher salary. Women often go with the original offer.
Thats not what the pay gap is about. If both were working the same job... say nurse or business job... if theybboth had same degree and years of experience, he still gets paid more
A male or female business person earns more than a male or female nurse because business tends to be a higher wage career field.
I knew u wouldn't get that right. i said OR not AND. In other words, a male nurse with same degree/experience as a female nurse still makes more than her
I don't like these kinds of studies because they promote racial profiling, conflict and are cherry picked without context like education level, years of experience etc.
I agree bt its everywhere on the internet and irks me when im trying to find where i want to move to because its listed in the demographics
I'm a middle class white guy so whilst I get offended by every piece of injustice I see and want to come across as a nice guy and right a wrong, I worry that I may come across as a privileged patronising ****, but my heartfelt perspective is always with the underdog and wanting equality regardless of gender, race, sexuality or anything else.
I think i understand
Given that the gender pay Gap has already been debunked, I am skeptical about the racial pay Gap. But assuming both of them exist, the racial pay Gap would bother me more
They def exist. People can have the same position/degree/experience and still make $10-30k diff. It usually stands as Asians making the most then white people then black then hispanic
The degrees/position are the same but the genetics aren't. The asians/whites get paid more because they do better and they do better because their DNA makes them more intelligent than the other races.The pay is a measure of intelligence.
What grinds my gears the most is they compare salaries but don't compare job positions and the salaries between those. Like of course an engineer is gonna make more than a receptionist.Whenever I've worked jobs usually get paid the same amount regardless of gender or race. It's the fact it's a decent job lol.
No i get thre differences in career. But a lot of stuff is based off the race. Go look. there's a minimum set
I just looked it up and there was a study by payscale, white collar workers, controlled study, same job and everything. They made 99% compared to white guy 100%. That's 99k vs 100k, Asians made 102%. So 102k. Honestly that's not that large of a gap, unless I'm missing something.
Why does it have to be a gap at all? Its messed up
Yeah I understand, they said white people are 25% more likely to ask for a raise though. They are also More likely to take seniority positions. A lot of the pay gap isn't really race, it's just years of experience. The old white guy who's been working their 10 years is gonna make more than the new black guy who's been working there 2 years. So in that sense yes there's a wage gap.That's what I've been getting out of reading up on it. Like I don't wanna come out as an asshole lol but yeah. I think it might phase out in the future.
But I've seen where a guy and girl couldHave the sameDegree/position/experience and still the guy would make more if a diff gender or race
ya they had that controller set up where all variables are the same and it was 99% to 100%, it was a male only study however so I can't comment on women, but that's not that far of a gap.
there is no gap. You can't compare that shit lmao 😂 women and men are very different and make different life choices etc less likely to work overtime, pregnancy, less likely to ask for a raise its for one illegal to pay someone less for the exact same labour but the world isn't that simple a whole fuck ton of reasons contribute to people esrning different amounts. That has nothing to do with racism or sexism
I think A, probably because (as your poll confirms) it's also what the public opinion sees as the largest of both issues.Both are delicate and I'd rather see them disappear :o :-(
Neither. Greedy businessmen will hire the best people they can for the lowest price they can. If women or POC produce the same or better results for less than white males, white males would not be hired.
They are equally troubling. I can't choose one or the other because both affect me.
I dont know what the "gender pay gay" is but its probably that 100%
*slowly walks away in disappointment because gender pay gay is not 100% it*
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Neither. You reap what you sow. If your economical value is less you get paid less. And yes, economic value involves being able to bargain for your own worth.
The input versus output gap. If I have more responsibility and do more, I get paid more.
Neither considering any form of the wage gap ultimately is the choice of the individual not some systematic form of oppression. In other words... Its not real. Its been debunked so many times that it has made feminists look like the frauds they are.
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MYTH 5: Women earn 77 cents for every dollar a man earns—for doing the same work.FACTS: No matter how many times this wage gap claim is decisively refuted by economists, it always comes back. The bottom line: the 23-cent gender pay gap is simply the difference between the average earnings of all men and women working full-time. It does not account for differences in occupations, positions, education, job tenure or hours worked per week. When such relevant factors are considered, the wage gap narrows to the point of vanishing.Wage gap activists say women with identical backgrounds and jobs as men still earn less. But they always fail to take into account critical variables. Activist groups like the National Organization for Women have a fallback position: that women’s education and career choices are not truly free—they are driven by powerful sexist stereotypes. In this view, women’s tendency to retreat from the workplace to raise children or to enter fields like early childhood education and psychology, rather than better paying professions like petroleum engineering, is evidence of continued social coercion. Here is the problem: American women are among the best informed and most self-determining human beings in the world. To say that they are manipulated into their life choices by forces beyond their control is divorced from reality and demeaning, to boot.time.com/3222543/wage-pay-gap-myth-feminism/
both, equally... as equality should be the focus of life in this world, shouldn't matter whether you are male or female, or what culture or colour you are... we are all human so deserve the same rights as each other
I read it as gap which is odd cos now i read it and see what you put lol
None because these gaps are not actual problems. People make a big deal about these things because they don't know how to interpret statistics properly.
What bothers me is the gap between what corporate CEOs make versus the people who actually bust their ass to make the company successful.
I agree. I used to wanna be the exec assistant cause i didn't wanna be in the spotlight but i wanted to do the work for the ceo lol
How about you bust your ass and become a corporate CEO yourself?
Honestly none of those, cause none of them are caused by some structural inequality. It's habitus and live choices. Nobody can change that but the people who suffer from it.
Less educated people earning less does not really bother me.
If companies were actually able to pay women and minorities less for the same work, why wouldn’t they only hire women and minorities? 🤔
Lmao u sayin they could be savin money
I’m saying if they could actually get away with paying them less for the same work then they would, your paid what ur worth if people earn less there’s a reason
Racial because pay for equal work gap is wider like you said but both are unfair.
Both. Inequality on all fronts is a problem. One is not bigger than the other in the same fight
There are no pay gaps. Where is the scientific research that proves men women blacks and whites doing the same job and being paid differently? Lefty propaganda anti fa bullshit.
Wow! I never even knew that exist I guess coming from where I'm from things really are different
Bothers me that people still believe the BS "studies" that were performed for these topics.
Racism bothers me before sexism. Should it surprise you that white women are given an advantage even in that? The world can't break it's mental hold of worshipping them so they will always appeal to white women before anyone else.
I reallyyyyy tried to keep scrolling past this and mind my business, but old habits die hard. Don't forget to include yourself in that worshipping part there mate.
@CHARismatic110 Nah, that's okay. I'm not much interested in white women these days. I think I'm learning to see the truth about things.
If that's true, then I just hope it didn't take something bad for it to happen.
@CHARismatic110 It didn't, no. Although I did have a few bad experiences with white women on my old job, but none of that was the reason. What happened is that I got a lot more exposure to them over the last some years and I've found that I don't like the kind of thinking and attitudes a lot of them have. I began to see that deep down many white women are not really real or honest, especially priveleged ones. And many of them act like arrogant, stuck up bitches because they know the world glorifies them, and they know they can get away with a lot of shit for being a white woman. So I came to a place of realizing that I can't be apart of that anymore. All that unfairness and glorification began to sicken me.Of course "not ALL" white women are like that but there are enough who are, and that's enough to make me take a step back and be careful.Not sure if you did, but you might want to read an old Take I wrote months back called 7 Things I Honestly Dislike About White Women.
Ahh, gotcha. I'm not sure if I did or not. I'll see.
Neither bothers me because i know those aren't a form of discrimination but rather a choice.
Definitely the racial wage gap, as my sister is currently dealing with that shit right now with her job.
Yea like i was kinda excited about moving to NC but that gap makin it look like i should just stay here
I believe the whole gender wage gap thing has already been debunked.
How about there is no wage gap? At least not in the west. There’s a difference between wages and fortune, every economist knows this.
That the planet is dying and we too busy with ourselves to do something about it on a global level
Race gap. I hate that.
Neither exist for reasons of bias, so neither bother me.
Actually it is both. Hopefully they are on the road to fixing the shortfalls in the pay gap.
Neither because both are bullshit.
I think both are horrible
Is there any proof this is legit?
That pic was an example. But yes. Just look up statistics in cities youd consider moving too
None of those are real.
There’s no such thing as a gender or race pay gap.
This is completely fake
Those exists for other reasons
racial wage gap
Oh I thought you meant the women wage gap myth.There are reasons for this though.Men get less high paying degrees, or got to college less than women altogether now.I would say some black, and most Hispanics are too poverty stricken to attend the college to get the degree to get the job.I would say Hispanics are misfortuned to be here illegally will not for the majority of them enjoy stable employment or education. This is part their fault but more the u. s goverments fault.
I've seen people of diff races wirh same degree and same experience but they all still got paid a couple thousands apart
And iv seen white men and in some cases just men period sidlined to fit a diverse quota at a job. All in the name of ,, equality,, which has its own evil.
We love you either way, we just ignored the error. 😎
both bother me
Did you edit the question? Cuz I could've sworn it said pay gay before lol
I guess GAG did
Ah, they should've left it alone, would've been funnier
All of the inequity
Both are a myth.
Neither. Fake news!
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