A very philosophical point of view. 👍
deregulation, doesn't need to happen in order to get more education. stopping how much money we put in to the military, does
that's why military intelligence, is an oxymoron
Thats not even close to what i said.
But you're right. We don't need to spend so much on military.
If we didn't spend so much on military, not only could we pay for people's college. We could also pay for other forms of education. Such as trade skills and shit like that that we desperately need.
also, trump deregulated a bunch of shit... and yet, college, is still NOT free
deregulation does not make college free. Only government action makes college free.
by the way, republicucks will tell you, "it's too expensive to do that", no. it's not. it literally would not be. the only reason republicucks don't want people going to college, is because they know the stupidest people in the country, vote for them
Education doesn't equal intelligence. There are a lot of idiots out there who have four year degrees.
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Great response. I would also add that these schools be restructured as in getting rid of some of these useless degrees that don't do anyone any good.
Just read that back. I went from college tuitions being too high to a rant about Obamacare
Do you have any idea how many people go to college because mommy and daddy want them to and are paying their way, but they just party and don't take college seriously? If college was free there would be a lot of lame ass flakes taking up seats in a class. There were some classes I couldn't get into because they were full. I can only wonder how many were not there to graduate but to party at mom and dad's expense. Free college is a bad idea.
@Daniela1982 thats on them but not the taxpayer. Imagine charging the ordinary tax payer working maybe at a checkout extra taxes so somebody could go to college and make more money than them
You are preaching to the choir and I agree with you. I paid to go to college. If people get to go to college free do I get a refund then?
You want everything for free so you voted for Biden too. Nothing is free. Someone is paying for it in the long run.
I disagree. Where the money comes from regardless of whether it's the person attending class, or their tax dollars at work won't defund the value of a higher education. In fact I believe more people would attend and graduate with degrees and continue on to obtain gainful employment and contribute more to society if there was more government funding for higher education. Grants and scholarships are all well and good but unless you're the one guy that made valedictorian in your class you're probably not going to qualify.
Even right now, with massive tuition, universities BARELY have any value to them. Even less when you considering the absolute radical left trash they're literally asking people to pay for in them, nowadays. I also doubt most people would waste four years of their life for something that literally has no real world value to it ("education" aside). That's kinda why no one asks for your GPA on your resume and why even the world's worst doctors are still doctors. Lastly, I have a Master's Degree I just got last year and I STILL think (outside of STEM, medical, and law) college is mostly a waste of money.
Yeah, that's if you have enough good credit to afford a loan in the first place. Plus on top of that responsible adults usually have to juggle family, bills, work, sleep, and study. More times than not family and bills usually went out over student loans. That's why the baby boomer generation isn't seen their retirement because it's currently going to pay off their student loans. Let's make a difference for generations to come and not incur more debt that we have to pay off.
Well I got a small scholarship that helped with books and supplies, but missed the main one in my state by like 0.1 on my GPA because they changed it the year I graduated. As a White male I pretty much didn’t qualify for any other assistance. So I worked while I went to school and took only federal subsidized student loans. I was able to pay off all of my student loans in just about 6 months. It’s very easy if you are a responsible person. If you just take as much money as they will give you and you don’t work at all then you will sink yourself. That’s called being irresponsible.
Sounds like you could benefit from this as well.
Nope. I’ve completed my education for the moment and easily managed to pay off my student loans quickly. I guess you missed that entire part because you failed to read what was in front of you.
It's amazing how you ask Asclowns keep bitching about cost. what is it cost to not have college paid for what is it Cost not to have health care. Or would it cost if we didn't have public roads what would it cost if we didn't have public fire and police protection what would it cost if we didn't have the military would you still be a free person would you have liberty and would you be happy
Imagine how many people would go out and be self employed if they didn't have to worry about costs like college or health insurance
Education and healthcare are investments into your future as well has your friends neighbors family
@michael1469 But those things, like police and fire, roads, and government / city services are needed by all people and benefits everyone. They are paid for by taxes. College does not benefit everyone and should not be paid for by taxes. Not everyone needs college educations as a necessity.
@Daniela1982 College actually does benefit the public. Because educated people are able to find fulfilling careers and stay off of welfare.
It doesn't benefits everyone? Well as an employer, i would have better employees, customer, would recieve better service, since the employees are more efficient, my bottom line is better so they get a better raise, which means more spending, more jobs, more tax base, taxes could be cut. Thus benefiting everyone. Stop thinking 2 dimensionally. It not all about you.
He got hundreds of millions of dollars in tax cuts but you don't have hundreds of million dollars for insurance or school
@michael1469 I think they are thinking more of how to deal with the National Debt and not increasing it to the point of horrific inflation. Just keep printing more money is not an answer like they have been doing.
No not just the national debt. Look schools, roads, public safety is public health. More people working means more peeps paying... it is circular. We dont need 700M in defense spending- ridiculous.
@michael1469 No you have better employees if you pay them more than minimum wage. Treat employees like they make a difference and they will.
Oh bullshit. My average hrly wage is 20$. They are only here for a paycheck. No one thinks past their shift. Always needing to be told what to do. Piss and moan they are broke, but dont show up for work or piss ansd moan about having to work OT.When i was an employee, i told my boss what was needed for the job- i didn't wait for him tell me. A good employee will come to thier employer with a solution, not a problem.I have 2 employees out of 15 like that.I offered to help a foreman buy the company- he was more worried about hunting and fishing then providing for his family.
I'm sure that there would be a few cases where people who already hold degrees would find themselves and more competition for the same line of work. That being said taxpayers and government funding would be used to propel this program and we would be stuck with the bill regardless of whether people graduate or not. That being said this is a joint effort that everyone benefits from. it's not like they're literally going to send you a bill for someone else's education in the mail. This would also affect you should you choose to go back to college and get another degree, your family, your friends, your children's children, and the future of our society as we know it. Admittedly you are correct in a sense that college is not the only path to a successful career. However the other advantages of obtaining a college education with or without a degree is a more educated general public, and ideally more entrepreneurs that would also offset the competition for people that already have degrees. I think it's wonderful that we live in a country where citizens like ourselves have the ability to speculate and make decisions for their government to follow. I also know that we will not get any clear answers until after we put in the effort and try. I believe that in long run this could be highly beneficial to our society.
WHo do you think the taxpayers are? You and me... so yes, I would be stuck with the bill. Along with everyone else who had to pay for their own college.
The taxpayers are literally everyone that pays taxes, so no it doesn't work like that. Bill is not going to get mailed to your house. ROTFL
No one thinks that's what I meant, dingus.
I like that response. The US has been importing labor from other countries for years, skilled labor in fields that we drastically need such as medicine, engineering, and technology.
Yes, thank you. Someone does understand our situation.
We all have to pay taxes anyway and this would benefit you, your family, your friends, and your children's children just as much as it would benefit everyone else. It's not like you single-handedly are funding the entire country. This is a joint effort that helps everyone. As far as slacking off and partying go you have to keep in mind that mindset is usually only present within a certain age range. If free higher education became a thing in the United States it would affect people outside that age rage as well. Don't worry, your tax money isn't going in someone else's beer. Lol.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean I want to pay even more taxes. Hell if I had the option I would opt out of paying the taxes I currently pay.I've already finished college and so have most people my age. I don't think I want kids but if I had them I would rather pay for their college myself if it meant I didn't have to indirectly pay for other people's college.
"We all have to pay taxes anyway and this would benefit you, your family, your friends, and your children's children just as much as it would benefit everyone else."No, it wouldn't. It would benefit families with several children more than those with fewer. It would not benefit those of us who have already paid for our own education, but it would penalize those of us who do not have children by saddling us with even higher taxes to pay for the education of the children of others, which should really be the responsibility of the parents. It basically helps people have even more kids whom they cannot afford to support without fleecing others.
So just because two people don't want to pay taxes the general public should remain ignorant? I guess I can understand your mentality a little bit. As long as you're okay nothing else matters right? Taxes are always going to be circumstantial and based on percentage. I'm sorry that you don't feel like you make enough money to afford to pay your taxes even after getting a college education. Maybe things would be different for you if we had free higher education sooner. However it's never too late to correct the mistakes that we've made in the past. If you ever decided to go back and get another degree you would still benefit from this just as much as everyone else. So yes, this is beneficial for our society.
@Liam_Hayden That is a really good point. I didn't think about it from that angle.
It's not like it's just us two who are against it. I would guess that half or at least close to half the country would be against it if they knew meant higher taxes for them.
And I'm sure that that same half would turn around and agree with it once they figured out that it would actually generate revenue for this country as well.
That's assuming you're able to get it implemented in the first place. If you ask everyone how they feel about free college sure a bunch will say that sounds great but when if ask everyone if they are willing to pay x% higher in taxes to pay for it then the number of people in favor of it is smaller. I'd much rather see it made more affordable rather than free. It doesn't need to be as expensive as it currently is and things like online classes should make it more affordable. If the main thing is education we shouldn't need fancy dorms, huge stadiums and all the other stuff that comes with the "college experience' that jacks the prices up.And if its so great to make it free why not trial it in a state like California or NY before scaling to the federal level. If it's as great as you say it is then other states will be bound to follow.
If you don't get pregnant first.
I can level with you on that.
Should college actually be considered a luxury though? College is a lot of hard work, and oftentimes it's next to impossible to balance work family and education. It's not like if you graduate from college you simply get to sit on your butt in the recliner for the rest of your life. The idea behind higher education is that you're able to contribute more to society. Which usually means even more hard work. As it stands the US has been importing skilled labor from other countries for years. On top of that most of the other countries in the world have free or reduced cost higher education. That's just a standard. The simple fact is that America has fallen behind when it comes to skilled labor and economic trade. I think what we should be doing is instead of pointing fingers and saying oh that won't work let's take a step back look at ourselves and the situation that we're in and try to come up with ideas of things that will work. We should be asking ourselves questions like, Why are we behind? Why can't we employ skilled labor within our own country? Why do we have to import labor from other countries? What is wrong with our educational system? And what can we do better?
I am 100% in agreement with everything but I think it's that payment that's stopping people from throwing it away sadly.I'd love for college to be free but people attitudes change when money's involved
With better education people will make more, pay more tax and buy more taxable shit.
@J2ohhhhh no sorry that’s not how it works here. People are educated but getting ripped off by places like Navient. That damage alone will take time to repair.
Okay well so where is the government going to pull the funding from?
Define easy. You still have to put in the work.
Very true it's hard work
@JKingOff Work? Not like in the 1990s, when I was in college! These Online degrees are just fancy paper, and you can use it, when there is another lockdown, and no toilet paper!I've taken some online classes from some of these "schools" and you could get the same thing, for FREE, if you just know how to search Google and use MOOC, FREE, online classes!!
@JackSmy so true
@JackSmy We're talking about community colleges and state universities. In other words legitimate schools. Anyone can create a website and publish a bunch of material and charge people for a piece of paper showing that they read it. It is still a lot of work to study and get into college even if you do have the money for it.
@JKingOff Really? Hard to get into a community colleges and state colleges? In what state?I went to a community college in California, and the admission requirement was showing up, filling out a form, and paying a fee! No tests, just High School graduation certification.Then, moving on to CA state, they accepted the Junior/community college transcript, and my money, and I was in! I didn't even need to take the ACT, or SAT, in High School! They never asked for those scores. I've heard that a lot of states are like that, and now, with COVID, so many online, and the requirements being waived, or reduced!
@Rina_colada High school education is free yet who applies them self there? Kids are more interested in partying and having sex. how many actually graduate with the ability to get anything more than a job at Walmart? So if they can't get good grades in high school how do you think they are going to get through college. In fact how many go to college and drop out or major in useless studies for jobs that are not available.
@Daniela1982 What should someone apply themselves in high school if they know that, no matter how hard they try, they won't be able to go to college because they don't have the money and scholarships aren't enough?
@Jamie05rhs At least if they have a scholarship they can work their way through college. That is the way millions of kids got through college, by waiting tables or pumping gas or thousands of other ways when their parents couldn't send them. At my high school it seems like everyone drove a car instead of taking the school bus. So lost of parents seemed to have money for sending their kids to college. If a person really wants to get to college they will find a way.
@Daniela1982 No, they can't necessarily "work their way through" college. Do you know how hard college is? Do you know how thick those textbooks are? To be truly successful in college, you have to sit at your desk reading and/or writing at least 10 hours a day, every day of the week. And the rest of the time you would be in class.So when would you have time for a job? Let alone the energy.(Plus, keep in mind that college is even harder for people who have a learning disability.)
"If a person really wants to get to college they will find a way.". Yeah, it's called a loan. AKA Debt.
@Daniela1982 speak for yourself. If people don’t want to utilize their right. Guess what it’s their right. People have the right to vote, but many choose not to.
@Daniela1982 I have multiple scholarships and grants, and I still owe roughly $40K worth of student loans by the time I graduate. Many people cannot simply “work their way through school”. Being a full-time student takes so much of your time.
@Jamie05rhs Well if they have time for Social Media, dating, sex, and hanging out on Instagram, Tinder, and GaG they got time to work a job and go to school. Guess which ones of these they can best do away with?
And how much time do you spend on Social Media?
@Daniela1982 ummm... do you go to school in the 21st century? Because it’s a lot if time you spend between class, labs, research, clubs/sororities/fraternities, honors clubs, etc. And a minimum wage part-time job isn’t gonna pay $40K-$100K+ worth of student loans. @JKingOff
But at least if you are paying for it you are serious and not playing dard ass!
@Daniela1982 no one should be paying large sums of money for an education. Especially if more and more jobs are requiring them because they are too lazy to train their employees.
Your ability to succeed and go places in life is your incentive to pass. Colleges don't administer people who left the ability or willingness to learn. Even if everything was government subsidized you would still have to pass the entrance exams and prove that you have the capability to learn what they have to teach.
True! Ho's don't need school as they get their experience from doing, just as a lot of people in trades do. They don't teach black smithing or having sex in school. www.bing.com/.../search
Well I'm glad you were able to afford a college education. I wish we could all be so fortunate.
It can be done. Two years of community college and transfer. Grants are available. Or do what our parents' and grandparents' generations did. Enlist for a few years. A solution that forces others to pay for what you want is really just theft. Taking what others earned or were freely given by threat of violence does not magically become moral because it is done via politicians than it is if you yourself were holding the gun.
You would be right. The term free is in reference to government funding.
I'm pretty sure you'll still have to pay back your student loans as per the original agreement, but I see no reason why future higher education wouldn't be free for you as it would be for everyone else.
Even rn people with bachelors can only get loans. They can't get grants and stuff
Exactly. Sounds like you could benefit from this as well.