What feminist agenda is specifically being pushed?
@SketchForger I'm confused. She-Ra was by DEFINITION a feminist hero. She was LITERALLY created to complement He-Man, to hook little girls. Or are you asking about the other cartoons?
Yes, but they did not change the gender of He-Man himself. They created a female interpretation of him. It's not like the Ghostbusters movie where they just changed the whole cast to female. Why would a girl given a magical sword be a "feminist" agenda, and why would the next step be making He- Man feminine?
@SketchForger 1) If you can't see that there is a feminisr agenda in the cartoons I listed, I suggear watching them symultaneously with '90s and early 2000s cartoons - there was a lot less "you go girl"-ism going on most of the time. As for why taking a male character, genderswapping him, and renaming him is considered clearly a result of an agenda - do I really have to explain you this? And it aligns with feminist ideology. Eh, I don't care enought to. debate with people. like you - you're incapable of critical thinking when it. comes to your favourite ideology, and I don't have the patience to debate religious extremists.
I asked you a question, I never stated that anything was or wasn't a result of an agenda. Because plenty of cartoons have agendas shoved in them.Why do you assume I'm incapable of critical thought? This is especially odd considering I only asked a few specific questions about your reasoning regarding feminine and masculine characters.
@SketchForger "I asked you a question, I never stated that anything was or wasn't a result of an agenda. Because plenty of cartoons have agendas shoved in them."See, that's what I am talking about. Mental gymnastics. You people can't just take a stand - always moving the goalpost so long as it's not nailed down. You questioned me when I said it has agenda, you don't need to say it - it's implicity in your question. "Why do you assume I'm incapable of critical thought? This is especially odd considering I only asked a few specific questions about your reasoning regarding feminine and masculine characters."No, you asked what kind of feminist agenda does it have. Genderswapping is one aspect of feminism in entertainment. And it's blatantly obvious the show has feminist agenda. While we are here, can you name kid's shows that have political messagery other than feminism? I'm really curious.
"See, that's what I am talking about. Mental gymnastics. You people can't just take a stand - always moving the goalpost so long as it's not nailed down. You questioned me when I said it has agenda, you don't need to say it - it's implicity in your question."" Eh, I don't care enought to. debate with people. like you - you're incapable of critical thinking when it. comes to your favourite ideology, and I don't have the patience to debate religious extremists."So another question I have is why do you keep naming logical fallacies without actually applying them to the conversation?You claimed I was" moving goal posts" when that's not an appropriate application to what I asked. Specifically because I asked the same question, and you gave me a vague answer. I left the goal post directly where it is, you just keep kicking the ball around it by telling me the answer to my question is obvious, and repeating that applying female gender to a Warrior archetype is a feminist agenda.
And to answer your question, plenty of children's cartoons were filled with anti drug messages, anti bullying messages, global warming. From Sugar bear, Sonic, Power Puff girls, Dexter's Lab, even Batman has discussed these topics.
Let me rephrase my question, What does a feminist agenda cause by applying a Warrior archetype to a female character?
@SketchForger You really want this debate, don't you? Too bad I don't have patience for your stupidity. Just be glad I don't wash the floor with you intellectually. But I'll give you a taste: "Specifically because I asked the same question"No you didn't:"What feminist agenda is specifically being pushed?"After this you asked: "Why would a girl given a magical sword be a "feminist" agenda"That's not nearly the same question. You assumed I meant it is a feminist character because she's a woman. Which was apt in the '80s. In 2018, you need a hellova lot more reason to call a character the result of feminist agenda. Don't try to lock me in your little box. I call it a feminist propaganda for very different reasons. In the 80s, 80s version of She-Ra was a feminist character. In 2018, the current version of She-Ra is a third wave feminist character. Different characters, different problems. I have problem with the current interpretation.
@SketchForger Then you claimed you never took sides in this debate, trying to be obtuse, and waiting for me to hang myself by the rope, expecting me not to be able to produce a realistic evidence to there being feminist agenda in She-Ra. The fact is that I made it clear to you that I do not WISH to provide evidence to something that’s fairly obvious. It’s clear to me that you want to win a debate that was never to happen, because I didn’t want it. This was clear from the getgo. If you want proof of WHY the She-Ra reboot is a feminist propaganda piece, you literally have to google it.This debate will never happen. If you want to waste someone’s time so dearly, look elsewhere. And if you are so concerned reading about She-Ra being an androgynous monsterchild of some 3rd wave feminist writing staff, here’s a bit of a clue:
@SketchForger www.stuff.co.nz/.../an-allfemale-writing-team-gives-shera-a-modern-makeover-for-a-new-netflix-reboot„All female writing group for She-Ra”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWeEYY8IZvo
You're debating semantics, they were essentially the same question just worded differently.
@SketchForger Aaaand you're awfully silent now, that you understood my point. "muh semantics" fuck off.
I'm mostly silent because most of your rant mostly involved picking apart an argument I never made. If I'm trying to put you into a box, like you claim I am, then your rational and straight thought shouldn't be affected in a box now would it?My question was rephrased, and yet now you claim my question is designed to make you waste your time. You act as if this is a debate, when didn't really defend myself until you started picking apart my use of language... Yet you put my claims in quotes and still manage to falsely categorize my questions as fallacies. It's very perplexing. I still want to know what She Ra as a feminist agenda actually affect children who watch it. I have not seen the current show, I don't really intend to, but I want to know what makes her third wave, because explaining that seems to be "trying to make me hang myself by a rope"or maybe by inquiring about what affects it has.
Women for President!Well, if a woman had the right platform, I'd vote for her for President.I think you are toxic masculine, because you hate women.
funny how the "older" version is dressed more slutty though. kind of counter intuitive.
@genericname85 hey its what I grew up on. I never looked past it. but that.. yum!
dude they are my childhood as well. i had a big crush on Gabrielle back then xD but there has been a trend to more sluty female roles generally so i was kind of surprised that modern she-ra is more modest than the "original".
@genericname85 I think it has been toned down, but I can't look at reboots. Like they rebooted 90210 sometime back and Melrose Place. I want Donna, Kelly, and Brenda in my head as I remember them..
i don't watch them either. but i do realize that this is what our children grow up with xD
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