"Nice guys" are players too. That's right. I said it. Want me to elaborate? I knew you would...
In case you haven't looked around, there are a hell of a lot of self-professed "nice guys" whining and complaining about their unsuccessful history with girls. Maybe they're blaming it on the fact that all girls go for "bad boys." Maybe they're blaming it on their looks, or their lack of money. Whatever their justification is, you've heard it all a million times before from more guys than you can shake a stick at. Surely, if there truly were this many "nice guys" running around for girls to pick from, you'd be hearing a lot less girls complaining about their jerk boyfriends. Doesn't make sense at all, does it? The reason, as you've probably figured out, is that these "nice guys" aren't what they seem.
See, they play a game too. They resort to dirty, sneaky, dishonest, underhanded tricks to try to get the girl just like the players your mother warned you about. The difference is that the way they go about it usually ends up blowing up in their faces, which is why they turn into the whiners they are. They do it because they can't get up the guts to be direct about getting the girl they want.
The purpose of this article is to warn all of the girls out there about this sneaky, underhanded technique that these so-called "nice guys" use. It's called the "On Deck" position, and they do it because they're insecure, shy, and for whatever other reason just can't get up the balls to actually be up front with a girl. Here's how it works:
It all starts when Mr. Nice Guy (who we will call MNG from here on out) meets a girl he likes. But because he is who he is, he can't be straight up with her about it. It was probably for the best though because, guess what. She's already taken! But she doesn't seem happy. She never has anything good to say about her boyfriend. In fact, everything she says makes him out to be the Antichrist. In fact, we'll refer to him as AC from here on out. To MNG, however, this is actually a good thing because it says to him that she's easy pickings, since, in theory, all he needs to do to eventually win her over is just be patient. He figures that by playing the "best friend" card for a while and doing things such as being there for her when she needs a shoulder to cry on or an ear to listen to her, and well, doing things any decent human being would do, he's putting himself in a prime position to replace AC when he inevitably leaves the picture. Then he becomes the hero of the story and everyone lives happily ever after, right? WRONG!
First of all, playing the "On Deck" game just doesn't work because the theory behind it assumes a lot of things. It assumes that the relationship she's in is about to end. It assumes that everything she says is true and that AC is in fact the jerk she claims him to be, paying no mind to the fact that there's two sides to every story. It assumes you're not stuck in the "friend zone." The bottom line is that there are just too many variables at work here to consider that never pan out in reality.
Secondly, MNG is being dishonest. He's using a dirty, sneaky trick to try and capitalize on her weakness for his own benefit. He's pretending to be something he's not (her friend) in an attempt to use her weakness to end up as more. But in his mind he justifies it by his supposedly noble intentions. He sees it as rescuing her from a threatening situation. What he's blind to is that by taking advantage of her in this rough time for her, he's becoming something even worse. He thinks that the end justifies the means when it doesn't.
In the end, though, the flawed theory behind it means that it will always backfire on him. Usually, he ends up so deep in the "friend zone" that there's no hope of ever returning. And he finally realizes it when she utters one specific line to him: "I wish my boyfriend was more like you." I'm willing to bet every single guy who's guilty of trying this underhanded technique has had the girl use this line on him. It's the kiss of death. If read it wrong, it can give false hope that MNG is making progress in his goal. But this isn't what it really means. What it really means is that MNG is now stuck, forever and always, in the friend zone, and rightfully so. He's pretended to be her friend so long that now he has to accept that he must be one for real. In a way, it's his punishment for trying this form of dishonest trickery to win a girl over. He must become that which he has been pretending to be all along, and constantly be reminded of his failure. Either that or he can just bail, but he never does. Because then he wouldn't be able to delude himself anymore about what he really is. He wouldn't be able to go on living the lie about being a "nice guy."
This is the reason of all the whining "nice guys" you hear. At some point they've all tried this trickery, and it's failed them. And it made them jaded, all because they couldn't man up and be direct. This is why they whine to you about how girls don't want "nice guys" when the truth of the matter is they wouldn't know a nice guy from a stop sign.
Ladies, pay closer attention to your male "friends," especially the ones you confide in about your relationship troubles. They just might be MNG playing his game all over again. And guys, you need to learn that you'll never get anywhere when you're just on deck, waiting for the guy at the plate to end his turn. You need to step up to the plate yourselves, and for god's sake, stop targeting girls you think are "easy pickings" like the girl used in this scenario. It's what lands you in these situations in the first place.
Discuss.
I agree with you that guys like this do exist out there, but thankfully I have never had this kind of experience with a guy who is a great friend. All of my guy friends have been there for me as a shoulder to cry on, to talk about relationships, and to have fun. Never have I ever had a guy that got into the "friend zone" with me and tried to become my boyfriend. And yes, I have been a very very selfish girl and I definitely am going to thank my guy friends for not being the "nice guy" this weekend.
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Some of the people critiquing this article have completely misread it. The author is not saying that the GENUINE nice guys of the world pull this deceitful game, but that guys PRETENDING to be genuine are doing this (hence the term "nice guys" in quotation marks). There's nothing wrong with offering another perspective, but make sure you comprehend where the author is coming from before becoming self-righteous keyboard warriors with pitchforks and torches at the ready.
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What is this voodoo lol?
Your example was my exact situation.
Had a crush on a girl.
She was having relationship troubles.
I was nice and there for her.
Did lot of weird shit to make her happy.
Heck, I became a fan of kpop and even watched some gay p*rn to please her.
She even made me learn a dance routine to kpop song -_-
She eventually gave me the "I wish my bf was more like you" line.
At that point I still didn't realize I was friendzoned lol.
I eventually admitted my crush and she rejected me, but insisted we remained friends.
Nothing was the same after that.
I felt no compulsion to contact her.
I stopped giving a shit about all the stuff she likes
and I would get immensely annoyed when she wanted to talk about kpop all along.
Oh well I learned my lesson. Never getting in my feels that deep anymore lol.I like the article, I even know some guys like this, but it kind of bugs me that you tell us women once again to be suspicious about our male friends. I have a lot of guy friends and I don't think any of them fall into the MNG category- of course I've had most of them for years and they've gone through relationships along the way, just as I have.
Number 4, though he lacks confidence, is still a genuinely nice guy. Since he's not interested, his friendship isn't deceitful.
So then, a guy without confidence can still be a truly nice guy (and a great friend) - they're not all liars. However, more importantly, a guy with confidence is even better, whether or not he's interested, and he'll never be the one whining online. Why? Because he's the one girls go for.
Hopefully this clears things up.1. Interested romantically, and lacks confidence. (The one discussed in the article.)
2. Interested romantically, and doesn't lack confidence.
3. Not interested romantically, but doesn't lack confidence.
4. Not interested romantically, and lacks confidence.
Number 1 is the "fake" nice guy, as described. Number 2 is often described as the "bad boy", but he can be just as caring as any other guy. Number 3 is the ideal nice guy. He's a great guy all around, and a great friend.
(Continued)Although this article is true, it's also a little confusing, because there are some genuinely nice guys out there, as well. Here's the thing: this article discusses guys who 1)are interested in the girl romantically and 2)lack the confidence to take any initiative in pursuing her. However, based on these two points, we can describe four "types" of guys:
(Continued)I'll go a step farther "a nice guy" and a "bad boy" are both fake... We are human beings who possess good and bad in us at all times. If you place a label on anyone, if you tear away the exterior you will find both are there, the circumstance is what draws out what label you adhere to.
Have I seen "nice guys" do this absolutely... However as you deal in extreme's you will find there are true exceptions. Great read thoughI find this incredibly offensive.
i genuinely am a nice guy
i've never tried to get a taken girl, in fact the number of TAKEN girls I've turned down is quite high. (whether it be for sex or a relationship)
Me being MNG did stem from being spineless, but since becoming confident, I have kept the best traits.
i get offered sex often, but I don't take it because I'm waiting for a girl I have feelings for.
the people you talk about are not nice guys.
people like me are nice guys.willing to help her up and then let her make her choice. A girl you like is not something to take. It's something for you to help protect comfort and just be supportive of In the end this gives you pleasure but whether or not she sees it that way is beside the point It's not about you ever Never ever It's about HER My love doesn't have to be returned at all to be acted on Severus Snape is the prime example of this
It is often the braver man who chooses not to fight in order to save lives.I disagree. Cause of a simple fact. A nice guy like you describe is often mature enough to know that they may never get what they what. I.e. the girl they like. If you are willing to watch a the girl enter a serious relationship and not do anything about it you are more worthy then anyone of that girl. You are there not to be a fake friend but a real one who's ready to pick up the pieces of a broken relationship.
And even then you (and if you haven't noticed you means I in this comment) amAs someone I think would generally be considered a nice guy I'd just like to say that whether I want to get with a girl isn't necessarily related to me wanting to help her with her boyfriend problems. I want to help anyone that isn't an asshole with their problems if I can. I know that you pointed out in the comments that there are genuine nice guys out there, I just thought I should reiterate that a guy taking an interest in what a girl claims is a bad relationship doesn't mean he's your MNG.
Now I bet if a MNG comes and read this they will be like, you are just a player trying to turn the tides on the nice guys. Great article man. I don't understand why can't people just be straight forward, I don't have a problem with being friends with girls I would like to date, but the first thing I do is I tell them I like them. Before we even become friends who talk day to day. If she says no, then okay, but at least I now have a new friend. If yes I can now start a great relationship!
How does this article show that a nice guy is a player? He like a chick who has a bf, he tries to get to her to be his girlfriend and fails because she still likes her bf. He then gets p*ssed because he failed. If anything that just shows how nice guys suck at getting women. Here's an idea why don't they hit on a chick who doesn't have a bf.
But they don't work. They don't work because the phrase "nothing ventured, nothing gained," is never more true than it is in the dating world. Everyone who ever found happiness in a relationship did it because they put some effort forth or took a risk. Nobody ever got something for nothing. And nobody ever will.
The main reason guys do this is because it's easy. It doesn't require any real effort, and they're not really taking any risks when they attempt this. All it takes is patience. The bottom line, really, is that when it comes to dating/romance, you don't get something for nothing. Lots of people from both genders are always trying to land a guy/girl using methods that don't require any real effort or risk on their part. This just happens to be the technique most used by guys.
I like this article. I agree with you on mostly everything. But if nice guys aren't really nice, how are they supposed to act? If a guy really does have genuine feelings and affinity for a girl who already has a boyfriend, what is he to do? He can't just ignore her, because then he'll get nowhere. And as long as she is taken and hopefully faithful, he'll still get nowhere - and in the friend zone. It's kind of hopeless in essence.
This is beautiful. I'm so sick of how they treat your friendship like some horrible, crappy consolation prize after they've been denied a relationship, too! Thanks for making me feel like nothing but a vagina to you! It's amazing how misogynistic some people can be...
So true. I was once this guy. It wasn't that I meant to do it, I genuinly thought I was being a good guy. I was afraid of rejection, so I played the best friend and waited. I then got so p*ssed off when girls would tell me "a girl would be crazy to turn you down, you're a great guy!", yet they would never get with me. I asked a girl why this was, and she told me exactly what you just said in your article, that it was because I never showed my intentions. Ever since then I've always been upfront.
I'm a self-proclaimed nice guy but I don't play mind games with girls.
To label every nice guy as a sneaky jerk is uncalled for.
I'm not a perfect human being but I think girls are amazing and whenever I go into a relationship with one I want make sure that it's built on honesty, not douchery.
I got a few girls in bed acting like an a**hole, but I didn't enjoy it.Hmm I agree with some of this indeed but I do think there are some honest nice guys out there. I feel like I'm one now nice guys are not always cowards- I have asked girls out and had some wins and defeats. I mean these people you described and their tactics seem to be more scavenger than nice guy. I don't know but whatever the case there are nice guys that are straight forward and truly nice.
Great article! It's ridiculous to hear people complaining about girls overlooking them when most times they never make their intentions clear. If you say want to be friends we're going to be friends and nothing more.
P.S. Sorry to all the genuine nice guys out there who are upfront and not underhanded in the way they approach women. :)
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