Thanks for the well thought out comment! I am impressed!
This is a very well explained opinion
Should there be no secrets? All people have had some fucked up thoughts or ideas which they know are Fucked Up. Should the partner know this? For example: I would not like to describe the intrusive thoughts I had a while back because they were very off-putting. It was not possible for me to close my eyes without seeing something. So I'd open my eyes and quickly look around so then the only image I see is the space around me, not what my brain continuously projected.
Mho... Nice, thanks!
You're the only guy on here who seems to have experience and knows what he's talking about
@nella965 thanks. I thought your comment was going to be an angry objection but it’s surprisingly not. People over simply the nice guy vs asshole dynamic with women. Girls don’t like being treated bad but it’s turns them off if they know they “have” a guy. And that’s the problem with nice guys approaching women. She knows she has him. Challenge is gone. Mystery is gone. It’s very possible for a gentlemen (nice guy who has boundaries) to outperform an asshole with women. That is of course all else equal. But being this perfect mix is so hard to be. Very hard to be.
You actually give me faith that there are men out there who know what they are saying about women. All these other guys on here just believe in stereotypes or what the media wants them to believe. The arrogance for such ignorance.
@nella965 it’s one thing knowing what girls want but quite another putting into practice lol. Just two weeks ago I went to a Halloween party where I met an attractive 34 yr old woman I liked. But she kept chasing around this fuckboy the whole night who was flirting with all the other girls. I on the other hand didn’t play the game, was just myself and I only talked with her and one other girl who I kept it friendly with. I was friendly to the other guys, the fuckboy was smug and arrogant. I got the girls number I liked and left early. She talked about meeting up again I also had a gut feeling she was using me to play him back (I’m taller, more athletic). But I thought I give her a shot because I she should be smarter being older. Well I texted her a few days later a simple hello. She read my message (both got iPhones). No response, nothing. I even spelled her name right in the message and kept it joking if she liked my Indiana Jones hat (she wore it that night). Nah blow that off. Too nice is what she was thinking. Two weeks later I saw the fuckboy again yesterday at a ultimate frisbee game. He’s the shortest least athletic guy there. I overheard him saying how he took her home and didn’t even know her name. I actually remembered her name carefully. Point being my kindness was seen as weakness that night. Even by a grown ass 34 yr woman. I didn’t plan not wanted to play the game, I’m 38 for Pete’s sake. Women do NOT value “kindness” very much when it comes to romance.
I don't think its the kindness thing that turned her off. There was nothing kind or unkind on the part of you regarding the situation. I think its just that she had her eye on the fuckboy the entire time. She probably wasn't ever interested in you at all.
But from what I've been seeing is that girls tend to cheat on the nicest guys. I've seen it over and over again. Personally I don't feel the need to cheat on nice guys but I've had lotta guy friends who got cheated on. Kindness is not the top quality that most women in general seek in a guy initially. Humor and personality is what we look for. But ultimately it is character which prevents women from breaking up.
@nella965 I’ve never been knowingly cheated on, but I’m suspicious one of my exes did it a week before we broke up. Yeah I what you said about the fuckboy was what the truth was. I knew that within 15 mins of interacting with them. I knew exactly what was going on at a guy level. I just wanted it to be NOT true for once. I was really hoping she was better than that. But she wasn’t. And that the depressing, horrible truth (that I already understand). She could even acknowledge my f*cking text message. I didn’t like that guy but I got to hand it to him. His game was tight. He came prepared and I didn’t. I haven’t been in the scenario in a long time and I hoped it would be different being that we were all in our 30s. It didn’t change.
But my question is this. Will women EVER change? Men have changed in our new “modern” society. We are less violent and more caring towards women in general. But will women ever change towards men or will they continue to cave to their primal assbackward self destructive desires? Will that always been hard programmed?
Not all women reject nice guys. I've had some girls go for guys because they were very sweet. But you gotta realize that love is fate. Your partner is supposed to accept you for who you are without requiring either party to pretend to be someone they aren't. That woman simply wasn't the one for you. You can't expect stranger women to cram themselves into what you should expect them to be. But I think there are many things that are wrong with both genders when it comes to selecting mates. There are lots of things that women complain about men.
You've also got to realize that kindness is not everything. Just because you're kind, it doesn't mean that everyone will fall in love with you. Different people look for different qualities in partners. Some may like kindness while others may prefer sassiness or someone with a bit of a temper. It all varies.
@nella965 oh I know kindness isn’t everything. I’ve met plenty of good hearted, kind women that liked me but I just wasn’t attracted to them. I’ve also gotten hook ups, FWBs, flings and long term gfs being kind. But that wasn’t the only thing that made me get her. But the shitty part are the scenarios that women like everything about me but the “nice” guy part. It gets them in the friend zone mindset. And women are worse about this than vice versa. Men don’t friend zone attractive women who are too nice. They might take advantage of them in other ways (which is wrong) but it’s not a quick dealbreaker. But nice guy has much more of handicap. She will test him more. And if he caves in she will reject.
Like I said, love is fate. Either she's right for you or she's not. Forget the woman who rejected you, she obviously wasn't fit to become your wife. You just need to start talking to a variety of women. Don't only go for hot women, go for all kinds of women. Doesn't mean you should go for women you're not attracted to at all. But just because she's not the hottest girl in the room, it doesn't mean she can't become the love of your life. I know a lot of men don't' go for women that they have things in common with but rather they go for who they find most physically appealing. Yea, you might get sex but would it get you love? NO.
@nella965 my last girlfriend was very compatible but she was only semi attractive (she needs dental work and to exercise more, not fat but “skinny fat”). I really tried my hardest to love her for who she was. I told her I need “time” for intimacy and at one point we went without sex for 2 months... my decision. I even gave up porn and SSRIs to help restore my natural sex drive. That made no impact at all. I still didn’t look at her that way. So I ended up breaking up with her. I can’t get married to a girl I don’t want to sleep with. That’s unfair to her and myself. That would lead up to huge problems down the road. I had to cut it off before it got worse. She was devastated and I felt horrible. But I was honest and it face to face... gently. So looks do matter. I have to find a woman that I want to consistently sleep with. But when I find women like that I have to be careful “to play the game” because my brain is acting differently. If she senses that she “has me” 9 out 10 times she will reject unless she really likes me too (attraction is at least 8 out 10). But anyway thanks for hearing me out. It’s just the ugly truth.
Your wife will not look the same forever. One day, she won't look the same so would you be sleeping around with other women in order to fill the gap? If that's the case, it doesn't sound like marriage is for you. You need to love the person that you married for who she is.
But like I said before, I wasn't saying that you should go for someone you have absolutely no attraction to. But just because she's not a 9 out of 10, it doesn't mean you can't fall for her. And you also need to keep in mind that if you're nearing 40, your looks are fading too. If marriage is a priority, I don't think being extremely picky is the best way to go.
@nella965 alright easy with comment about me getting older. I fucking know that. Being single right now the last thing I need is that insecurity impacting my confidence and behavior towards women. They can intuitively pick up on that loneliness/desperation very easily and you know it. Also most of my friends and all my siblings are married. Do you realize how many fucking times often I get reminded of that? It makes me not want to attend family gatherings or social events with my friends. I’ve already cut some of them off for their earlier disrespect. Above everybody my mother is was the absolute worst about this. She was born a beautiful women and has zero idea how it works because she never had to put any effort into anything. With that said the attraction issue with my ex was obviously a major issue. But there were other problems as well. She came from a extremely abusive family and she saw me as “her savior”. I am not equipped to deal with the emotional damage she has inflicted on her. I was supportive but there is only so much I can do. I gave it a legitimate shot. Dated for 8 months. I really tried. But it didn’t work. Now I’m just reevaluating my approach.
I'll be honest with you, you sound like a very decent level headed guy. Don't blame it on yourself that you're still single. Some people can't find partners because either they find it hard to fall in love, or poor judgement when it comes to picking out partners or they've just haven't had any luck. A lot of these things might be things that you can't control. But if marriage is a priority, try to go for someone you have in common with. Attend social events, go places where you can meet new people. Clubs and volunteering are a great way to meet women. Clubs are great because there's a good chance you'll find someone you have in common. But in brutal honesty, at your age, being picky is the last thing I'd go for. As you age, your prospects will decrease further and further. If I were you, I would just settle because lots of people get to their mid 60s with absolutely no immediate family to care for them.
So are you good-looking? And more than that fuckboy or lesser
@nella965 yes I know this. I’m a bit of a workaholic. Money and fitness is something I can directly control. Female attraction not as much. But I’ve done well for myself in the last 5 years. I just want a woman I’m compatible with. Late 20s to early 30s. Attraction has to be there I’m a NOT that picky. But something has to be there. It wasn’t with my ex, even I tried to push through it. Also be careful how you comment about aging. I’ve had some girls say some horrible things to me about that (unprovoked). But Father Time usually much harsher on women... not nice to the ovaries. The gain weight and wrinkle faster than men do. And ironically the most miserable, bitchiest poor attitude women I tried to date when in their 30s (my ex was 26) Like having being a cunt makes them feel younger or something. They don’t have room to behave that way. I know I don’t have room to act the same way as I did at 24. But I don’t have poor attitudes towards women I go on dates with. Even if I’m not attracted to them I’ll still treat them well. I had to friend zone two girls in the last year after the first date. But I gave them respect up front of being tactfully honest. Anyway have a good day.
I'm not trying to bully you for aging. But I'm just telling you what reality is like. As a 38 year old, it is very rare that someone in her 20s is going to accept you. And as you approach 40s, it is much less likely to happen that you will get a woman 10 years younger. Women need sexual attraction too. From my experience if you're 35 or over and you're still single. There is usually an explanation for it. I think you're at the end of your prime. If you don't get someone right now, you might very well never have anyone.
@Alex_988_2 well I was a male fitness model in me 20s. But it’s not like I’m going to pull up my shirt running around showing off my six pack at 38. That’s douchy. She was more attracted to that fuckboy than me. The magic question is: was she attracted to me at all or just using me against him. Hoped for the former turned out to be the latter. Always keep your guard up. I wasted that whole night talking to her when I could of met other girls. I actually saw him again at a different meetup. The guy is 34 but acts like he is 22. But when it all comes down to him pushing her buttons and he successfully did that. I got to give credit where credit is due.
@nella965 and you don’t think I’m trying? But I still can’t “try to hard”. At 25 and female I don’t think you can understand this conundrum.
I'm not 25. I actually turned 24 two weeks ago. Not divulging my personal info to any website. But I've had a lot of old men hit on me in the past and I'm completely disgusted by it. I just have no idea why these old guys would even think I would accept them. And when I go online, I see guys with this terrible delusion that a girl my age would accept a 36 or 40 year old or even 45 yr old guy. I don't even know of any friend around my age who is dating someone older than 30, let alone 40. Out of my social circle, I am the only one of the few who is open to going for a guy over 30. I go for older guys but I don't go for old guys way outside my age range. My max age is 33. This is the misconception that I'm trying to clear up. If you're 40, don't be deluded enough to think that there is a good chance a 28 yr old would go for you. With age, also comes a lot of consequences towards marriage and birthing children. Its not only the womans age that matters when it comes to this. I don't want to be impolite and list them all. But I just wanted to clear up this terrible delusion and misconception that guys have. But I'm also not saying that there aren't any women who like old guys. Meanwhile there are also men who like older women. With every gender population, there are always odd balls. Probably 5% of them.
@nella965 let’s DM. This thread is getting too long
@nella965 you need to follow me back
Feel free. But I just got into somewhat of a rage even typing up my last comment. Normally I reject with kindness but I don't bother being kind to these 45 yr old guys trying to hit on me. It makes no sense.
Just followed you back.
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In this economy financial security is important to pretty much everyone (except those who are wealthy enough to not have to think about money). So it should be pretty much self-evident that money matters to some extent in mate selection. But even many guys in current economy would seek a girlfriend who can contribute at least part-way towards the day-to-day living expenses. So my question for you would be, if these financial needs were not a factor (ie: you made enough money working sensible hours, and didn't have to worry about finances from week to week)… then what would you look for primarily in a guy?
@SomeGuyCalledTom loyalty would be the next important
@SomeGuyCalledTom It is important but that's not everything. Men just like to stereotype women.
@nella965 my point exactly :)
@SomeGuyCalledTom Money is actually far from the first thing I look for in a guy
Yeah I assumed attraction was already established lol... stupid me for assuming!
Well you put "looks" as an option coach so you covered "attraction"
@ChiTown33 attraction is an internal response; ; looks are just one of several external stimuli that could trigger said response.
@SomeGuyCalledTom agreed, but generally it starts with looks. Generalky you see someone before you hear them.
Another gold digger
Please stop, my boyfriend makes the same amount as me a year.
you're just honest but I don't understand the women lie and sugar coat dating is not about love anymore
@KristaGrym she's not a gold digger because she's not looking to marry dollar bills, she's looking to marry a human being.
*Busts out my Jim Carey cue-cards* To see if that level of humor would work on you.
@The6ix Lol. That'd probably work.
Why did I never met someone with your kind of attitude? You deserve tons of pizza 😍
When they say kindness, it means, he does what I want some/all of the time. When they say ‘mean’ it means the opposite. Just how it is.
You know women can provide for themselves right? I am married and my wife makes as much money as me.
Never said they couldn't. But they still have instincts. Most are hypergamous in those two areas first.
Those "instincts" and the "nature" some guys talk about here are bs. Pure bs, women want a guy they love. That includes one that has a job, doesn't need to be a millionaire, has decent looks, but doesn't need to be a model. Connection matters more, to the average women, more than anything.
@ThisIsMyOpinion - But the guy has to at least be someone they could see themselves being attracted to. Otherwise, gorgeous women would be with ugly guys more often. So physical attraction usually comes first.
Not saying looks are not your presentation card, they are. But then it's the same thing to us isn't it? No human being wants a partner they don't consider attractive.
@ThisIsMyOpinion - Yeah, we agree about the looks part. But there's a lot of women that will date an attractive guy because he's attractive. His okay qualities will seem like great qualities because of his attractiveness. But put those qualities on an unattractive or average person, and the girls would be wanting more. That's why I say attraction comes first when they're fertile. Sure, they also look for other qalities, but looks often come first.
@Sonorous I think it depends on the person. What you just said is true for many guys too. We are all sexual creatures we all want a partner we find attractive. And yes we all accept not so great qualities if the person is really hot. BUT there is also the reverse of the coin. Even if the person is not so hot and has amazing qualities that we love, of course we will want them.Whatever is looks or personality we will overlook some flaws if everything else is what we want.
These things you describe are more common in men than women. And statistics reveal it. Generally, women prefer looks way more than men. Men often just want a good enough girl with the body of their liking. But women's focal point seems to be on the head and bone structure.
@Sonorous I doubt it since women are much more emotional creatures than us and we care about sex more, but let's say they do care on average more about looks than us. That's not a big issue, people want what they want why shame anyone for that? Again we all want a good looking partner. Besides I am sure that even if they care about looks more it's not a lot more than us. So I don't see this as a problem.
@ThisIsMyOpinion - Women are more emotional. But unless the guy has other qualities about him that make his sexually desirable, women won't want him as a mate. They will most likely friend zone him. You've probably seen that happen to some guys. There are qualities about a guy that can objectively display that he doesn't have as much testosterone as another guy. This isn't just subjective. It can be observed by women and other men.I'm not saying anyone needs to change because we all have our preferences and shouldn't need to change. So I'm not shaming anyone. I'm just explaining a viewpoint.I don't think it's an issue for average or above average looking guys. But it definitely an issue for below-average looking guys. Since women are way more hypergamous than men, even the low tier women tend to want an attractive man instead of a guy in their looks range. That's why stuff like inceldom is slowly becoming more popular in men. So, I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with women's preferences. I'm just stating what women find most attractive about a guy and why.
Sad but true.
Can I ask you a question
Does penis size matter if you love a guy
no, bc a guy can still be good in bed w a small dick as long as its not micro size
I agree with u
I hope u get the person with all of them
Yeah smae what I was thinking...
But are that much women loyal too?
@Alex_988_2 Right, when boys are loyal to them, they get bored and find another boy
Lol or really?Women want men to cheat on them?
You know that most women don't want a sugar daddy and love sex right?
Money and social status is not gonna make a woman fall in love with you. Most women wouldn't marry a man she doenst love
@nella965 women don't marry homeless or jobless men. The only point of a boyfriend or husband is being a provider. She has no other use for him.If a man wants real pure selfless love the only being capable of that is a dog.
@ThisIsMyOpinion women don't need sex. Only men do. That's biology.
@ActiveSh1tter, It seems like the only access to information about women is the media. Media tells you that if women enjoy sexual pleasure then they are $luts. If the media tells you that women are looking for financial security, then that means love means nothing to women anymore. You're wrong. In reality, many women need real romantic love too, not only dollar bills. Money matters but its not everything. Women need to feel sexual attraction to their man otherwise the relationship either won't work out or they will cheat.
I'm sorry but I know I will cheat on my husband if he wasn't hot enough
@nella965 you're only partly right. Women do need romance. They don't need sex though. It's just something they tolerate to maintain the relationship.Also it doesn't matter if he's "sexually attractive", women still expect to be paid for sex. That's why even hot guys get accused of rape.
@ActiveSh1tter, by your statement, I can already tell you're inexperienced with women.
@nella965 I have ample experience with them, in both sex and conversation. This is what women are like. They view the male sexual lust the same way a straight man views the sexual lust of a gay men, with anger and disgust.The only beings on Earth who are sexually attracted to men and need sex with them are gay men.
@ActiveSh1tter yes they do. Women like sex and have libido. Men's libido is stronger, yes, but doesn't mean that they don't have it.
@ThisIsMyOpinion that's a male fantasy. The vast majority of women have contempt and disgust towards male sexual lust. And no they don't suddenly start being sexually aroused by a man just because they have a relationship with him, otherwise they wouldn't file rape charges against their own boyfriends and husbands (which women very often do).As I said the only people who are truly sexually attracted to men are gay men.
@ActiveSh1tter you talk like women didn't masturbated which they do and they do it thinking about us. You couldn't be more wrong to actually believe women don't like sex and sex isn't important to them. Why do women like attractive men? Same reason we are attracted to good looking women, because they are sexually attracted to us. The women who file those claims are a very small minority. Don't try to make a small fraction of women the rule.
@ThisIsMyOpinion women are romantically attracted to men not sexually. The more handsome and tall a man is the more they want a relationship with him. They couldn't care less if his dick works or gets chopped off. Regardless of what they claim, observation shows they only tolerate sex with a man when they want something else in return.Also charges of rape against boyfriends and husbands are pretty much the most common form of rape charges. I asked a question about marital rape here on GaG saying it shouldn't be that punishable, and while many guys agreed every single woman was screaming outrage and said these husbands should all be castrated. Try it yourself, ask and see if women differentiate a single bit between stranger rape and marital rape.
@ActiveSh1tter yes they do care, they like to have sex just for pleasure whatever you chose to believe it or not. Women do want men sexually. If they didn't girls wouldn't have one night stands, fuck buddies or want sex once married. But they do all of that. They want sex for pleasure my friend. Because the vast majority of rapes are done by people the victim already knows. Victims also file complain less often when they don't recognize the rapist since because they believe they will never catch the bastard. Rape is rape! Whatever comes from a stranger or not there is no difference. Sex is like boxing, if one of the participants doesn't want it the other one needs to stop asap! I am married. I never rapes my wife and I never will. It's very very easy not to just do it when we both want it.
@ThisIsMyOpinion actually it's a fact that nearly every single woman who has casual sex feels shame and disgust with herself, and she says she was "used and worthless" same as when she's raped. This is because the act of sex is not important to them, what's important is what they get in return for it.And married women only have sex to maintain a relationship. Again if they weren't disgusted by their own husband's dick they wouldn't womp about being "traumatized" and demand castration just cause his dick went in her once without permission.Actually look up any story of a woman cutting off her husband's penis, you'll find 99% of women cheering for her and saying things like "he deserves it!" and "haha what's the big deal it's just his junk". This shows better than anything what they really think about male sex organs.
@ActiveSh1tter another wrong fact. They don't fell like that or they wouldn't do it more than once or even keep fuck buddies like some do. Women orgasm is a thing. They feel pleasure just like us. In fact their orgasms are more intense than ours so of course they want them. Pleasure, fun and satisfaction is what they get in return, just like us. Again with all those claims made by a very small percentage of women and believing that's how most women behave. Most women love sex man, just like us.
@ThisIsMyOpinion yes many women can orgasm but it's not a big deal to them like it is to men. It's not connected to a sexual arousal and attraction to the opposite sex like it is to men.Literally just look up any story on social media, or on television. 99% will laugh and cheer whenever such a story comes up. They all sympathize with any woman who cuts a dick off because they all share that same fantasy, and they all have a common fear and disgust of the male organ.
@ActiveSh1tter of course it does. Sexual attraction and bed performance are big requirements that women want in men. I am speechless by this, how the hell do you believe that sex is not important to women? Even if many say that, half of them are just saying it just to cause a reaction. And the majority of the people who will read it won't even bother to say anything. The ones who do are the ones saying stuff just for attention.I can guarantee you that most women disapprove of that action as much as men do.
@ThisIsMyOpinion just listen to what they're saying. "Men are so disgusting they only think about sex. Why can't they appreciate women's love instead". Perhaps sex is important to a few, but they're an exception not a norm.This is very wishful thinking. Forget even Facebook, twitter, and every website on the internet. When you have randomly selected audiences of women all laughing and cheering in a dozen different settings without a single exception you begin to see a pattern.
@ActiveSh1tter they are not saying that. The ones saying that are the minority. That's were we differ.No they wouldn't. That's crazy dude. They would never cheer on mutilating another person they are not monsters. Look believe what you want, but they do like sex and they do live us for us.
@ThisIsMyOpinion ok so this is getting circular. I'll just say that the way you view women is based on how you want them to be, not how nature actually made them.
@ActiveSh1tter I agree we are not going to get anywhere. But tell you what, make a poll. Ask girls here if they like sex or not. I can give you a link of a question about rough sex and women here telling they love it. Thus is how they are whatever you know it or not.
@ActiveSh1tter, You have absolutely no experience with women. How many women have you ever slept with in life? 2?
@ThisIsMyOpinion you make that kind of poll and they'll all reply"lol of course! Women love sex!". But ask these very same women if they believe marital rape should be equally punished as other raped they'll all say hell yes. Also I was having a conversation here on GaG with a woman saying she wants sex with men multiple times a day and is always super horny, then I brought up a story of a woman chopping off a penis and she said the typical "haha he deserved it. More women should do this!"You have to understand arguing with women is like arguing with infants, they don't care if what you're saying is true, they just want to contradict you and start an argument for the heck of it.
@ActiveSh1tter I also say hell yes to that! It is still rape! But that has to do with anything? Again why is she finding that story funny related to her liking sex or not? She can be an asshole and like sex. Still believe me most women won't support that kind of behavior.Check this question.How much importance do you think sexual compatibility has in a relationship? ↗
@ThisIsMyOpinion even in the cases where women do claim sex is important, they're talking more about "intimacy and touching", or some convoluted form of cuddling. They don't consider genitals and orgasms important like men do. There's a good evolutionary reason for that. Pregnancies are dangerous to women.
@ActiveSh1tter now you are just trying to get arguments from inside of a magic hat. They want way more than that form of cuddling, they want to fuck. Because it gives them pleasure and they love it. Fear of pegnancy has nothing to do with it became with their stupid amount of contraceptives we have today there is no point in being afraid of it.
@ThisIsMyOpinion contraceptives have only existed in recent history. For the hundreds of thousands of years when evolutionary pressure existed sex always meant pregnancy, and pregnancy always meant high risk of death. So it makes sense women evolve a fear and disgust of male sexuality, and to trivialize sex whenever possible. Men don't risk much through sex, that's why we evolved to love sex and hold it with high importance.
@ActiveSh1tter the first contraceptive remotes to the ancient egyptians. It was a condom made of dry pig skin. Evolution doesn't work like that for us. We are the only rational animals on earth and as so we can think rationally. Any rational person knows very well that there is no need to fear pregnancy today. It's not because women didn't do it for pleasure 500 years ago that they don't now.
@ThisIsMyOpinion "the first contraceptive remotes to the ancient egyptians"Exactly. The last human mutations happened 10,000 years ago, before Ancient Egypt ever existed. And most of our instincts had evolved even long before that.Rational or not, we are guided by instincts such as we always want to feel like we're part of a group, and we have a deaire to reproduce. We don't know why we feel these things, they're just programmed into our brains. Men and women mostly have the same instincts, but the one place where they do differ is sexual behavior. While the male lusts after the female body and genitals and greatly values sex, the female views sex with shame and contempt and has a disgust of male genitals.Women want to do everything possible to reduce sexuality in society. Most women who get mastectomies do so without reconstruction, and they report feeling relieved and liberated as they're not longer subject to the male sexual gaze. Also it's mostly women who support fgm because of the belief it makes them less promiscuous (which they view as a good thing).
@ActiveSh1tter yes we started evolving long time ago that is not the point. The point is that we started to try to have sex without pregnancy a long time. Why? Because it feels good! Both to men and women, so we all like to do it.So many people today decide not to have children. And the ones that do don't have them for the human specie sake. Even last weekend a girl ignored my wedding ring and tried to have a one night thing with me. She had no intention of being friends or get anything else besides, you guess it, my dick which you say disgusted them so much. And yet they look for it. Lie to yourself telling it is because they want something else besides pleasure all you want. This is the true. Are you for real? You actually think women do that operation to look less attractive to men? You are insane! They do that when they have cancer and they have to do that or die! Are you mocking something so serious like cancer?
@ThisIsMyOpinion I'll say for the last time that your view of women is based on what you fantasize they are.It doesn't matter if we can have sex without pregnancy. Women's brains evolved to trivialize sex and fear the male lust, that's not going to change even if you use the most advanced condom on the planet.There are women getting preventative mastectomies just to reduce the possibility of getting cancer in the future. Women will say things like "It's just a breast who cares". They say they would be far more traumatized by the loss of a few fingers than by the loss of their breasts. Same goes for so called "fgm" which isn't a big deal to most women aside from the lack of anesthetics during the procedure.Anything that's sexual in nature is trivial to women. Their minds work opposite to ours.
@ActiveSh1tter you are the one fantasizing. You live in a different world. Just because women's brain evolved into thinking on their own like men's have. You are even ignoring some of my arguments. What about the girl that wanted to have sex with me? The ones before that did? What about women who have several one night stands? What about the women having to remove their breasts because of cancer and not to look less sexy to us? What about all the girls in this sue saying they like it rough? What about all the lust so many men knowing full well what women list over them is? All you got is assumptions. Ignoring all that the others say and proof around you to fit you delusional ideas.Women hate the very idea of fgm! Many women fight so they don't that in Muslim countries. You are again picking up a subject and twisting it completely! They couldn't hate that crap more. What made you believe all of this? Do you have a wife or a gf? Did you ever?
@ThisIsMyOpinion 1- Women who have one-night stands almost always say they feel "used and worthless" and are filled with regret. The sex isn't what they want. It's just a tool they use to get other things.2- The point is not why they remove their breasts but if they get reconstruction after. Most women refuse reconstruction because being flat makes them feel much better and reconstruction will make them men's sex objects again.3- Look up any online post or any documentary about fgm. The vast majority of women are indifferent to it or are just concerned with how clean the tools used in the procedure are. Loss of sexual function isn't something that bothers most women.
@ActiveSh1tter 1. no they don't. If they did they wouldn't do it more than once. They get nothing out of it besides sex. 2. Reconstruction is not only expensive, especially after who know how many time of chemotherapy. And greatky increases the risk of getting can cancer again. It's not for not looking sexy to men. 3. Ok I did. No really I just googled it and the wiki page main image about it it's a billboard that says "stop fgm". Literally everything I found were articles on how barbaric and dangerous it was. Not a single one promoting it. Not only it bothers them it bothers them so much that humanitarian agencies are trying to shut down. That is only done of very poor countries and they do it to girls for a cultural matter. They don't have any saying of whatever they do it or not. You get that? They don't have a choice! In developed countries like the ones in Europe and North America that is not even a thing since women feel so against it.
@ThisIsMyOpinion 1- They do it repeatedly in the hopes that it will eventually work in getting a guy to commit. 2- Reconstruction does not increase cancer risk. And it's most often covered by insurance. Most women just don't see the point of it since they don't care about having breasts in the first place.3- Ok and did you notice that virtually all campaigns against it are centered around how it could cause infections or some complication? None of even mention removal of sexual pleasure, and if they do mention it it's casually in passing.
@ActiveShi1tter 1- No they don't. They do it to have fun and pleasure.2- Reconstruction does not increase cancer risk? Yes it does. Look here www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6021250/ so ya lot's of money on top of an already expensive as hell treatment and the chance to get cancer again are the reasons they don't reconstruct their breats. They hate looking ugly and not sexy for us. 3- Are you for real? Of course they don't talk about it! It's a rights and health issue. Young girls are getting forced, you hear me forced, around the world to do it. Many times causes infections and death. Of course pleasure it's not the core problem of this! Are you mental? For real do you really think that should be the center of a problem that kills young girls because of a country culture? Of course not!
@ActiveSh1tter you know what? I am done. You live in another world!How could you even conect so serious issues like cancer and forced mutilations and turn them in something women want is beyond me. You have no possible help. Keep thinking whatever you want while I will be here happy to give my wife what I know she wants. Farewell!
@ThisIsMyOpinion "They hate looking ugly and not sexy for us. "You serious? You honestly think that women WANT to be sexually objectified by us and be subject to our sexual gaze? Why do you think they're always raving against it?
@ThisIsMyOpinion and by the way if you had your penis glans being forcibly cut off would you be more worried about possible infections than about losing the organ itself?
@ActiveSh1tter yes I am sure all those instagram pics almost naked are because they hate feeling sexy.My biggest concern would be never be able to be a father and death. Not my pleasure.
@ThisIsMyOpinion women are addicted to attention but they hate being sexually objectified. It just so happens that that's the only way they can get attention.Point is you would be terrified of losing your penis. Women don't care about losing any part of their genitals. Or their breasts for that matter.
@ThisIsMyOpinion Those naked Instagram pics are the result of being raised listening to fucked up media where girls are taught that their only self worth comes from being able to turn the heads of men. This is the reason why women tear each other down and attractive girls get bullied on. Sorry but if you want to know the truth, this is it.
@ThisIsMyOpinion There. You got it straight from the horse's mouth.
@nella965 That happens yes, but there many reasons why people post pics on social media. Some just want to share a memory. Others want to pass a message. Some even make a job out of it, the Instagram models. And yes there are those girls who believe they need to post sexy pics in order to fit in society expectations. But that doesn't mean that there are not the one who do it for attention and to feel sexy. Even guys do it. Posting abs pics everyday. It's normal to like to read comments calling us hot, who doesn't like it? My point was some girls actually like to get those comments and feel sexy to men. That's the only thing I was trying to make the other idiot realise.
#ActiveSh1tter you are contradicting yourself. The attention women get from men is sexual attention. They can't be addicted to attention and despise being look at sexually. Yes they do! And they care a lot! Not just because they don't look pleasing for us or don't feel pleasure but also because oh I don't know... maybe because their bodies get. mutilated! Who the hell wants that? Life without a body part?
@ThisIsMyOpinion "How dare you as a woman tell me that women don't like being sexually objectified by men! I as a man know for a fact that women love it!"
@ThisIsMyOpinion there are different degrees of mutilation. Most women would be horrified at just the thought of losing an ear or a hand. But they couldn't care less about losing their breasts or vagina. It's as traumatizing to them as losing a toenail. That's just how the female brain evolved. Sex is trivial to them, and anything that reduces sexual objectification is in their minds a good thing.
Women are more loyal than we are.
Thank god abs isn’t on the list :)
@OddBeMe I meant abs. Sorry for disappointing you. I love muscular men. But well, at least please don't have a big beer belly. I can't tolerate that. 😂😂 I think that's why I'm not attracted to men in my country. They drink too much and don't work out.
Hey you go for what you like. When a guy walks by with a great six pack, I look. And I’m straight :)
@OddBeMe Right. We are all visual. Both men and women. Who doesn't like beautiful things and people? It's true people with a good body/face have a better gene. It can be an indicator that the persons put effort, at least, to be healthy. But I need something more than appearance to relate to. Wondering if all of us look the same, what makes a single person stand out? 😊
I think genes get blamed for everything from race to beauty. It’s all environmental and behavior. Healthy parents train healthy kids.
@OddBeMe Of course. Healthy genes, healthy brain. They complete each other. That's why I focus on mentality and voted for loyalty. The right mindset is a foundation of a good quality person. Behaviors are fruits from how a brain functions. Well behaved people create good environment, inspire others, and then the better society is formed.When I can have a chance to be a mother, I would like to make sure that my child is happy and feels loved from both the father and the mother. If I choose a non-monogamous man, he would leave us someday. I don't want that. Money can provide food and stuff, but love and attention are more important regarding to raise a mentally healthy child.I am collecting information for my research. I'm curious why there are so many husbands and boyfriends in my country cheating on their partner. I had my opinion on one of the Coach's questions before. From my observation, boys learn from their fathers and other men. They notice how men treat women and copy them because they think it's normal. So the behavior becomes a culture and keeps continuing. Unless some boys disgust it, and would like not to be a man. Tada, effeminate men or ladyboys!(No scientific references anyways.)
@Alex_988_2 Money is not everything. Not every woman marries for money.
Finally an honest answer.
I just have my principles normally when I includes Mone what they think of me is a gold digger when in fact I'm just being practical well as a woman I would make sure that the guy I'm settling down has a job/money so that we can provide our family together not just me but us helping each other
Who said only one answer this honestly? You?
@ThisIsMyOpinion yup, just pumping straight facts.
Does that make men more desperate?
Yes it does unfortunately. Men are so pathetic nowadays when it comes to women. Instead of teaching men how to date you should teach men how to have self respect