If I were to marry, I would sign a prenup because I'm not stupid nor am I a loser.
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What clause is that precisely?
Nor would I ever ask my fiance to sign a pre-nup. It completely invalidates sharing my life entirely with her.
You’re an idiot
Lol, literally, what is the purpose of marriage if its going be to the exact same thing as a relationship. Its illogical. If you think that's idiotic, that's on you.
I would never marry someone to take the stuff from them. Obviously some people do. But if you don't trust that person implicitly, why are you marrying them in the first place. Why would you even desire a marriage? What the point of the marriage?
What if somebody marries to take stuff from you?
I hope I'm wife enough to discern who that person is before I marry them. I'm a pretty conservative Christian and I'm looking for a pretty conservative Christian and I'm waiting for marriage to have sex. I can't imagine someone would go through faking that through a couple years of courtship just to take my inheritance which I may not see for decades.
You seem to have a lot of confidence in your ability to determine evil motives in another person. I hope you are right about these things for your own sake. I believe in trusting people but also verifying.
@msc545, I appreciate your civility in this discussion. I was nervous people would think my question was judgy, but for me, it's a legitimate question. What's the point of marriage if in every sense it'll be exactly like a relationship. The other aspects of marriage that aren't in a relationship are so miniscule, I don't even think they're worth mentioning, but I could be wrong.
If you should get married with a prenup or without, I think you will find that marriage in many ways is significantly different than a relationship. At the moment the person I'm in a relationship with refuses to get married and says that she feels that marriage ruins relationships. In many ways I agree with her. I think it's great that you're taking the time to explore this important question.
marriage is illogical, thats the big picture so your the dumbass
Marriage is definitely illogical if you're going to sign a pre-nup. I even think it's illogical if you aren't religious. But being religious, I believe there is a spiritual aspect to marriage. If you think that's illogical, that's your God given right.
For many people apparently including you, spirituality is an important aspect of marriage that is not mentioned very often. If being married fulfills spiritual needs for you than that may be a good reason to get married regardless of all the other things that we've discussed
Pretty sure the median cost of a wedding is closer to 14k. Average is inflated because of several millionaires getting married multiple times lol
@Xoxocutekitty I suppose. Still I rather invest that for a down payment for a property to either live in or rent out 😁
True facts doe 💯. Although get that girl who come up with her own down-payment and make a trust (split 50/50). Will save you half the time and if you buy the house before the wedding, it won't count as marital property.
@Xoxocutekitty For sure!
I think that makes sense. Any other circumstance makes it feel like “well why are we even bothering getting married.”This way you can still rest assured and hope you and your partner trust each other.
If you have children in the first place
@DeanEdger right. Which is a serious mistake.
It’s a pre-arranged deal for that stuff. Otherwise the party who didn’t do the earning or the majority of it can clean you out in a courtroom with a myriad of other reasons for entitlement to their ex’s money, and the judge will just be like “no pre-nup? Cool, 50/50 split then.” If you DO get a pre-nup, you already have an ageeement that you worked out in happier times when cooler heads were making the decisions. If someone gets vindictive, or just plain greedy, you could get pretty well pillaged. No judge is going to settle a divorce with “you get everything, and you get nothing.”, barring any egregious conduct that caused the divorce. That would have to be agreed upon beforehand. So the smart thing is to figure it out in a pre-nup and protect yourself if you’re the higher earner, and it should be a sign of good intentions for the lower earner to agree to it. And at a time and mood like that, pre-wedding, a deal that works for everyone is very possible. “I’m going to be the sole earner, I’ll generate the income. But you’ll be a stay-at-home mom/dad, and cook and clean and shop, generally manage the household and any children, which allows me to focus on earning. Should we split, I want to keep X% of our net worth, but you’ve put in your own brand of work not quantified by dollars earned, and that deserves Y%, so you aren’t totally out on your ass, since you forfeited working yourself to benefit our family.” Without it, you’re leaving it up to a judge and the vindictiveness levels of your ex.
Wait so that does mean if u get divorced u still have to give them half of your money?
Only if that’s what you agree on. The highest risk of a 50/50 split would likely come in a courtroom in a case with NO pre-nup. In any divorce there’s going to be some division of assets. Nobody just walks away with what they came in with. Unless of course you had agreed to that in a pre-nup. You hash out everything ahead of time in a “what if” scenario. So let’s say you agree to a 70-30 split, for the sake of argument... if the time comes for a divorce, you’ve already agreed to split what you have 70-30, during good times. So just because someone’s mad about how things went, they can’t just say “I want half!” That will get thrown right out of court, they’ll say “you already signed off on 70-30.” If you have no pre-nup, it’s left up to a judgement call by a divorce court judge, and all they know is what’s presented. Your ex could have a better lawyer and they succeed in painting you as the “bad guy”, and the judge sides with them and you end up paying whatever they say, could be 70-30, and you get the 30. So if you ever want to get married and you’re concerned about this, get a pre-nup written up with your fiancé. If you want to demand that you both walk away with the same balance of money that you came in with (but you’ll likely earn more together as a couple, and you’d still need to figure out how to split that), then you just don’t sign a pre-nup you don’t agree with. And if you can’t come to an agreement, either don’t get married or agree to leave it up to a judge one day down the line. It’s just better to amicably agree ahead of time to avoid that whole problem.
Omg I’m never getting married 💀thnx for explaining it to me
Lmao, no problem... they don’t make it all that favorable of a prospect these days😂
No they don’t lol😹
Your "Godly" wife can screw you over too if she wants to if you divorce. That's because she does not like you. How you like that?
@LilBonifide: God fearing and born again Christian women won't do such things. Marriage isn't meant for heathens, because they will simply destroy what God means to be beautiful.
Why get married in the first place. Marriage is about combining two lives into one. Not about continuing to be in a relationship that's no different than the relationship you were in before.
My primary objection to a prenuptial agreement is that it imparts a false sense of security to the people who enter into it. It is too easy for a court to nullify part or all of the agreement based on the whims of a judge who happens to not like all are part of the agreement. In my eyes at least this makes it virtually worthless or at least a very high risk.
Properly drafted and executed prenuptial agreements do hold up in court. I know because I have drafted prenuptial agreements and I've handled divorces in which there was a prenuptial agreement.
Have you ever had a Judge nullify or change part or all of a Prenup? This has happened to two of my friends so far.
Never. Sounds like they had bad lawyers.
That seems to happen in the area where I live (LA) a lot. Judges here think they are experts on virtually *everything* including martial harmony apparently.
In Florida, judges are very deferential to prenuptial agreements, as long as both sides had legal counsel when they entered the agreement.
LA is sort of a weird place in many ways.
@msc545 I accept your word on that matter. I have no interest in visiting LA.PS In the South, LA refers to Lower Alabama.
It would be good to meet you but I would not subject anyone to LA. Lower Alabama might even be better!
@msc545 I'm in Jacksonville if you ever get to Florida!
Nice! I may do that. I want to go to Key West, so...
@msc545 About 400 miles south of me. A crazy, crazy, crazy town!
So I have heard. I've also been to Cuba several times via Mexico, so I might do that again. Have you been there?
@msc545 Never. Have not travelled much internationally. Haven't done THAT much travel domestically.My family has been in north Florida since 1790. We don't move very often and, when we do, we don't move very fast!
I understand. Havana is absolutely Great!
@msc545 That is one I might enjoy if I had a companion who spoke Spanish. I have a fear about travelling, not knowing the language, and looking like an arrogant and stupid American.
I can't speak Spanish either and I've been trying to learn for 10 years. I think the language learning part of my mind is broken or is out chasing women. So I have the same fear. Luckily, almost all Cubans I met speak English!