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It does actually matter a lot because it's not like a knitting hobby it's war so yes it does matter when being stupid thinking your good gets you dead buddy. It's a death game not dusting your families home cause mama got mad at you again being a lazy shit.
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Reference women being deadlier than the male, that must be why their are so many in Tier 1 and Tier 2 teams... oh yes...
Henry Kissinger is a war criminal. He cannot go to Europe without risking arrest for his many war crimes in Southeast Asia.
@msc545 War crimes are like that, more a matter of opinion than anything else. I don't see how he's a war criminal because multiple presidents ran to him going "henry what do we do?" he gave his advice and they followed it. Alone, he had zero authority to make any decisions.
Much like if under the command of someone else I gassed a few villages, or burned them all down with WP, are my actions war crimes, the fault of my chain of command, or irrelevant? What countries hold what opinions matters a lot too, what countries in Europe and for what "war crimes"?
Also if Germany and Italy will still sell you guns, oh no, I can't go to the louvre anymore! Bwa huh huh. You fly through as they can't arrest you in the international zones that you're in when flying through as long as you don't leave them.
Just saying, war crimes are about as serious as misdemeanors in a country you don't live in or plan to.
Yeah, didn't Iran or Pakistan declare all US troops and personnel to be war criminals? I mean, if you go there, that's an issue, if you don't... then why care? I only remember it because they passed the law and arrested a few veterans who were from there but immigrated to the US, UK, what have you from the Coalition.
@msc545 Still and all man, you gave me the best mental image of the day, old, decrepit henry kissinger with that accent of his carting around his flame thrower and sack of agent orange to cleanse the land.
Kissinger was directly and personally responsible for bombing Cambodia, which was a war crime since we were not officially at war with Cambodia. The International Court issued an arrest warrant for him. You can argue that that somehow really is not a war crime, but you also didn't get your ass bombed.
@msc545 Sigh, you really need to cool your jets, that all happened before or right around when our parents were born as we're at the same age. Also that would be nixen or jfk who gave the order, kissinger gave advice, they followed it. "Directly and personally responsible" would be if he stole a plane from a base, somehow loaded it with armaments alone, flew a bomber alone, actually delivered any ordinance, much less on target, whether the targets were valid or not.
In that case "war crime" doesn't matter anymore, where the hell are you going to land a stolen military plane with munitions as your home country now wants you dead, much less the people you're at war with.
@Hanoi_Jane00
But in the end does it really matter? I think it's kind of stupid to emphasize one group of the conflict when so many other pretty nifty things happened. We can't attribute women themselves for the Veitcong winning that's stupidity at it's finest not saying you said that just getting that out there for the people who think that.
For all my brothers and sisters in arms who lost their lives in this travesty of human stupidity, you've not been forgotten. ... and yet as any Vietnam war vetrean will tell you they ran rings around us soldiers and marines and dictated nearly every battle.
It was an irregular war.
If it been on lines of Korea etc, then zero chance.
Irregular wars are okay until the full Weight of a larger nation becomes involved.
For example, Russia fighting the same way would be in same position.
China now, there would not be a Vietnamese in Vietnam now,
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How many millionaires in the US versus Vietnam
How many Google, IBM, Amazon, Apple type companies in Vietnam
How many highly paid staff
Who cares about something that long ago
Today is what counts.
Look around at Vietnam, industrial and technological centre of Asia...
The number of millionaires is a good metric for the magnitude of inequality in a country.
@ThePolishKnight37 There is zero evidence that they were all women, your wishful thinking notwithstanding
Oh yes win by KO / stoppage only , no gloves , tape & gauze on hands only. If you draw after 5 rounds of that savagery , both are treated... rightly so , as winners !
More women holding guns and proving nothing. Women in the IDF fill support roles, not combat roles, so they might be good at unpacking supplies or something.
@msc545 convoys were the most dangerous place you could be in Afghanistan and Iraq.
@msc545 True. These women are poking around the bush for an hour or two every year, than they head to Starbucks.
@Hanoi_Jane00. Asshole, I flew F-18's in the U. S. Navy until I had to eject during launch, I broke my back and tore up my shoulder during the ejection, landed in the fucking water with the carrier steaming right toward me! I had to swim for my life until a helicopter and rescue swimmer picked me up.
@KrakenAttackin doesn't seem likely, you swam for your life with a broken back? I ran a mile with a broken leg lol
Yes I did! I had to listen to my aircraft being pulled under the ship and than get ground up by the ships four screws.
@Hanoi_Jane00. Fuck you cunt, I have the scars to prove it. My nose gear snapped during the cat stoke. I was far from flying speed but too fast to stop. I ejected right as my aircraft went over the bow, which shot me a few hundred feet in front of the ship. The bridge crew was hot on doing an "end rounding" maneuver which saved my life and kept the ship from plowing me under. The Angel Guard helicopter picked me up about 90 seconds into the accident.
@KrakenAttackin see i don't believe you because of your earlier disrespect for reservists and women in the military.
That should really not matter. I've talked to Kraken a bit, and he is what he says he is.
@msc545 I dont believe him. Not once has he thanked me for my service which nearly every American vetrean I've met has and the disrespect he shows for women in the military, no vetrean thinks like that.
As someone who has cared for many injured veterans, but who is not a veteran, I disagree with you. Maybe you should ask him to scan his DD214 and post it here to satisfy you? I really think that calling someone a liar about these things without good reason is pretty offensive.
@msc545 I just don't believe him. Like if he was in the military he'd know that women were in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan, that convoy duty was probably the most dangerous duty a person in the military could do in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Anyway, it's not important that you believe him or not really. It's not like you determine his benefits or anything of that sort.
@msc545 I dont know about the US navy but I've met RAF & FAA pilots and they are the sharpest people I've ever met.
I think service members in the US tend to know a lot about their own service and its activities, and not so much about other services. Kraken knows a lot about carrier operations, but maybe not so much about ground forces. I think you need to give him the benefit of the doubt.
@Hanoi_Jane00. Ha! Why TF would I thank YOU for your service when you are advocating for communist who killed Americans?
@KrakenAttackin freedom fighters? I think you'd appreciate a nationalist war of liberation against imperialism and a brutal regime.
Ok, I call bullshit on your being in the military. There is no way your attitudes jive with military service.
@KrakenAttackin I'm not an American sir not that you'd under stand having never served.
After 20 years they failed to defeat the Vietcong which is why Vietnam is united today.
"Do not fear the enemy, for they can take only your life. Fear the media far more, for they will destroy your honour."
Victorious Vietnamese General who fought the Japanese and defeated the French Military, US military, South Vietnamese military, Chinese Military and Khymer Rouge.
@Hanoi_Jane00 Again, the NVA and Viet Cong defeated the U. S. politicians NOT the U. S. military. Had the U. S. Military been calling the shots in warfare, the NVA and Viet Cong would have been eradicated in months.
"Confuse the enemy. Keep him in the dark on your intentions. Sometimes what seems a victory isn't really a victory and sometimes a defeat isn't really a defeat. Whether in attacking, counterattacking, or defensive tactics, the idea of attacking should remain central, to always keep the initiative."
General Giap
@Hanoi_Jane00 Why are you quoting a male General in attempt to prove females make good soldiers?
But still mean, that Vietnam, isn't a grat country who whas able to ficht USA.
It whas just the only lucky one who didn't need to fight them to the end.
Vietnam then and now have absolutly zero chance to stand against USA army.
Because they back out, not because they whas beating the USA army or whas able to stop them.
USA whas advancing slow but shure in Vietnam.
Back out is just didn't want to fight anymore even when you are wining.
Retreat is when you are destroyed or need to get a bether organization in your army.
USA simply whas like "i'm bored of this shit, i don't want to fight anymore, i go home".
Vietnam was on fire.
The underground tunnels were continuously gassed.
The traps of the Vietnamese did not make as many victims as the sin of making a machine gun.
The United States has defeated the Japanese in the "green hell" of the islands in the southwest Pacific.
Vietnam is drunk with water - an expresion for when somebody think is more glorios then they really are.
US Vietnam Vetrean & historian Shelby Stanton wrote:
In the last years of the Army's retreat, its remaining forces were relegated to static security. The American Army's decline was readily apparent in this final stage. Racial incidents, drug abuse, combat disobedience, and crime reflected growing idleness, resentment, and frustration... the fatal handicaps of faulty campaign strategy, incomplete wartime preparation, and the tardy, superficial attempts at Vietnamization. An entire American army was sacrificed on the battlefield of Vietnam.
I am sensing a theme here... Are particularly fascinated with the Vietnam war or are you of Vietnamese?
A great strategist can defeat the most powerful nation on earth with rice farmers dressed in black pyjamas carrying AK47s
yup so in short women being in the army doesn't benefit anyone other then numbers, which is always nice to have when going up against a nation like the U. S. so yea
The question is "Vietcong women did they prove that girls can be good soldiers too?" Not "Do Pictures of girls holding guns doesn't prove that they are good soldiers?"
I don't know anything about the history of women participating in that war; all I know is what you told us, which is some pictures.
@Gwenhwyfar There is no real evidence to suggest that they were "good" soldiers, especially in light of the fact that no clear definition of the term "good soldier" was offered.
@msc545 I’m gonna back out of this discussion now. I don’t know enough about the subject to argue either way beyond what I’ve already said.
@OlderAndWiser I do know quite a bit about the history of warfare. The Viet Cong women did fight bravely, but to compare these women of the Viet Cong to modern women is absurd. Also "Hanoi Jane" (Jane Fonda) is a woman who should have been publicly hanged upon returning to the U. S.
@KrakenAttackin I agree with the sentence you would impose on the original Hanoi Jane. I don't know why anyone would want to adopt that as a username. It would be like you or me calling ourselves Ted Bundy.
She is probably from the UK or is just another clueless American woman who doesn't understand the context.
Why? Because she believed the Vietnam war was wrong that it was a waste of young American forced conscripts lives and that the US shouldn't waste trillions of dollars carpet bombing Vietnamese children all to support a corrupt right wing dictatorship?
You are 20 years old and you did not live through the experience. What you know is something you read in a revisionist history book.
@Hanoi_Jane00 JANE FONDA went to the heart of the enemies capital during TIME OF WAR. She met with American POW's at the "Hanoi Hilton". One of the American POW's slipped her a note which contained a list of the American POW's held at the prison camp. Once the world knows the names of prisoners it makes it harder for the enemy to arbitrarily KILL the POW. What did JANE FONDA DO? She took the note and GAVE IT TO A FUCKING GUARD. The prisoners received the worst beatings and torture they ever received after this event. This is TREASON, plain and simple.
Also, JANE FONDA, sat on an anti-aircraft gun used to shoot at American aircraft and she giggled like she was having an orgasm.
FUCK JANE FONDA. FULL STOP.
@KrakenAttackin the US never declared war on North Vietnam, it was an ilegal war and the Vietnamese not bound by the Geneva convention, technicallythey were terrorists like the 9/11 hijackers. Snopes States clearly that no note was ever passed to fonda. US POWs in Vietnam were treated better than POWs in guantanamo Bay. A lot of Vietnam vets support fonda and other brave antiwar protestors like Joan Baez who travelled to North Vietnamese to witness the carnage of their government's ilegal war.
@Hanoi_Jane00 All gibberish and irrelevant to the soldier in the field. Also, Guantanamo is tough but does not compare to the "Hanoi Hilton". Get your facts straight. I don't want to argue with you as you have clearly digested very revised history and have no appetite for facts.
@KrakenAttackin you wouldn't understand, you've never served.
My facts are very straight, I'm sorry if you feel humiliated or embarrassed by a foreigner female who has educated you on your own history.
@Hanoi_Jane00 Nice try. I have served in the U. S. military and I am a lifelong student of world affairs. I'm sorry that a foreign female has been so indoctrinated by a left-wing educational system that you have lost the ability to think for yourself and are only capable of reciting liberal-revisionist talking points.
@KrakenAttackin left wing lol? I'm not an American. Liberals in America or right wing. The differences in right and left wing between us democrats and republicans is the difference between coke and pepsi.
@Hanoi_Jane00 Only a clueless Brit could think this way. Your country has already been lost to the crazy left-wing forces of political correctness and virtue signalling. The oppressive left-wing ideology is so entrenched in the UK that I have a hard time seeing the UK as an allie of the U. S. anymore.
@KrakenAttackin our country is doing ok we just don't want to get dragged into another Afghanistan or Iraq war so some American war profiteers can line their pockets.
@Hanoi_Jane00 Really? How about the two times in the last century that the U. S. has been dragged into war to save european asses? Specifically WWI and WWII incase you didn't learn about these little scraps in your revised history books. Let's also not forget the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe all at the expense of the American taxpayer (also not in your history books I am sure), and the creation of NATO, of which the U. S. paid more than 90% of costs since 1949 to today. The UNITED STATES has done more to protect, preserve, and enhance european safety and security than any other power possibly could have... but you have never read or been exposed to any of this, because your history books are written to the 8th. grade level, "U. S. = racist, right wing, bad people".
I would have no problem withdrawing all troops, ships, and aircraft out of Europe and allowing you to (try) to defend yourselves against a very hardened enemy like the Russians. And sweetie, I will tell you this --- Russian soldiers do not take classes in "combatting racism, transgenderism, virtue signalling, micro aggressions, sexism", et al. A Russian soldier would meet you on the battlefield and shove a bayonet deep into your guts without any sense of remorse for your "complaints about patriarchy". At the time a Russian bayonetted you, you might just realise all of the bullshit you have been fed since the day you were born.
@KrakenAttackin in WW1 you chose to get involved in ww1 when the Germans sank us merchant ships and even then it was only in case the BEF &French army lost as the French would not be able to pay back the us government its loans and the du pont family would not get paid. Only half of USsoldiers were ever deployed and apart from the marines were useless and basically freed up British, Canadian and Australian troops to break through German lines. By the time the us military arrived in France the war was over.
In ww2 the US waited again 3 years to get involved and only after provoking the Japanese into attacking. If Hitler had not declared war on the US the the US would have stayed in the Pacific. At the Battle of kasserine pass we had to save you from a handful of German tanks.
US industry war profiteered from allied governments like the British empire, France, Norway, Belgium, Holland, Poland, Finland, Denmark, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Greece, yugoslavia and China and watched from the sidelines as the Axis divided them up between them.
The Marshall plan only rebuilt half of Europe and Britain was not part of that. We finished paying our war debts back to the US in 1999.
The US really should withdraw its military from the 900 global military bases that it uses to enforce US economic policy on the rest of the world. The Russian military is largely defensive with some good modern weapons but mostly outdated stuff Russia has no force projection capabilities.
Why did the Germans sink U. S. merchant ships? Because they were bringing critical supplies to keep your pathetic island from starving to death. We also sent weapons, machinery, medical supplies, and everything else under the sun. Again, you completely fail to grasp the reality of history.
U. S. troops were worthless? Really? Why don't you read real history of the invasion of Normandy and all of the battles that followed. How about the massive U. S. bombing campaigns, the enormous naval battles? Again, you have ZERO concept of the real historical facts. Did the U. S. wait to get into the war, OF COURSE, who the fuck wants war especially when it's across the ocean (in a non-global world of pre WWII)?
Your complete lack of knowledge of historical events is almost mind numbing.
Why are you even in the reserves? You clearly have no patriotic conviction? Do you just seek benefits and preferences?
@KrakenAttackin "Why did the Germans sink U. S. merchant ships? Because they were bringing critical supplies to keep your pathetic island from starving to death. We also sent weapons, machinery, medical supplies, and everything else under the sun. Again, you completely fail to grasp the reality of history" all paid for in Gold bullion. Do you thank your local grocer for keeping bread in your cupboard after you pay him?
In ww1 they were kinda worthless, they were only really trained after it was over. Remember America in ww1 went from an army of 14,000 strong to an army of 4 million in the space of a year, most weren't even trained when they got to France. The British and french army had to train them. The USarmy didn't even have enough m1903 rifles instead they had to use the M1917 American enfield which was a British design, same with British and french machine guns, aircraft and tanks. The US was not ready for ww1. It was over before they were.
It took w and a half years to get the US military ready for D-Day remember the British army landed on two beaches and the Canadians on one. The British and Canadians did most of the fighting too.
The RAF were conducting massive bombing raids also, 1000 bomber raids with Lancaster which was superior to the b17 and were bombing more accurately in the dark than the Americans during the day.
US naval battles generally happened in the Pacific, the Royal navy fought most of the battle of the Atlantic. We even loaned you an aircraft carrier for a while. We also worked out the kinks on your corsair fighter for carrier operations so your welcome.
Yes the us waited until the wars was over so France and Britain would pay back its war debts.
I've a real knowledge of historical facts and don't believe ww1 started in 1917 and ww2 at the end of 1941.
Your bottom line is that the U. S. war contribution was not significant? Without the U. S. stepping in the UK would have been crushed and the war lost. Everything else you mention is just hyperbole.
@KrakenAttackin never said that. The UK would not have been crushed, just would have been a much longer war. Probably would have lost in north africa without the 500 sherman & lee tanks in 1942.
Everything i said is completely true. For instance...
The M1917 Enfield, the "American Enfield", formally named "United States Rifle, cal.30, Model of 1917" is an American modification and production of the.303-inch (7.7 mm) Pattern 1914 Enfield (P14) rifle (listed in British Service as Rifle No. 3), which was developed and manufactured during the period 1917–1918. Numerically, it was the main rifle used by the American Expeditionary Forces in Europe during World War I.
@Hanoi_Jane00 OK, you have proven that you can google. I am tired of this discussion.
@KrakenAttackin well then pull your troops off the battlefield and declare victory like the US military did during the Vietnam war... as an honorable man who lived up to his pledge to defend democracy, and did the best he could.
@Hanoi_Jane00. I suspect that you are the kind of person who annoys your opponents until they get tired and block you, and you then declare "victory" because they have left the battlefield and you are still standing.
Fifty years from now:
Here Lies Hanoi_Jane00
She Annoyed The Hell Out Of Everyone
Declared Victory Over The Entire World
Died Alone Without A Friend;. No One Attended Her Funeral!
Yes just like the vietcong I keep fighting until Americans retreat.
I am actually a lot of fun at parties though its been a year 🙃
I'm sure when I die the flowers of the forest will be played at my funeral just like my grandfather
Yup, the president often ignored the generals and ordered political moves. The generals even had planned nuclear attacks called (I think) Operation Fractured Jaw or something like that, with the president even not knowing because they did not necessarily trust him. Johnson shut it down when he found out, after it was presented... but had it happened the main city in the north would of been nuke with a bomb much larger than the Japanese ones.
There was also fear it would bring the soviets into a nuclear war if they dropped it.
It would have been an escalation if Hanoi had been nuked with Saigon being nuked in revenge. Though its likely the North Vietnamese would not nuke their own country. It would have been rolling the dice with no predictable outcome. Its like how in ww2 nobody used chemical or biological warfare even though the knowledge and capability existed with all nations involved.
@msc545 Brainwashing (also known as mind control, menticide, coercive persuasion, thought control, thought reform, and re-education) is the concept that the human mind can be altered or controlled by certain psychological techniques. Brainwashing is said to reduce its subjects' ability to think critically or independently, to allow the introduction of new, unwanted thoughts and ideas into their minds, as well as to change their attitudes, values and beliefs.
Not sure where you got that definition but actual brainwashing, such as it is, involves the use of many drugs and environmental deprivations. The few people that had this done to them were generally fairly disabled as a result.
They ran rings around the US marines. They dictated the start and end of every battle. The marines were too loud and too slow.
They weren't just fighting in their village but villages all over Vietnam. They ran circles around the US military
i don't know their story but i would suspect they did a good job. i think a rambo movie was made about this
2nd one, the first was about the PTSD rambo suffered as a result of the US military's defeat in Vietnam
Historically the people who live in the country defeat invaders most of the time. This is definitively true for each time the US has invaded a country (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan). I think this is because the people that live there have a greater stake in defending their homes than the people trying to destroy them. Invaders carry a great unspoken burden of guilt.
@msc545 Vietnam certainly the US military was defeated. Korea was a draw and south Korea is very powerful and prosperous. Technically Iraq and Afghanistan were victories as they both set up us friendly governments that benefit us economic interests. The natives of south America, New Zealand and Australia certainly lost as did the citizens of the roman empire when germanic, arab and turk barbarians came out of the east.
If you mean the series of puppet governments in Iraq and Afghanistan set up by the CIA, none of them have lasted long and the ones that have lasted the longest have not been friendly to the US. Korea was a draw mainly because the US was losing badly and want to save face. Vietnam we agree on.
@msc545 well its kinda like the US propping up the house of Saudi in Saudi Arabia. We all know Saudi Arabia is a powder keg that will explode one day but will it explode before or after the US and Saudi Royal family have exploited all to oil. The US has intrest in central asia not Afghanistan, Afghanistan is the only way the US can gain access. The cost of rebuilding Iraq was paid for by us taxpayers and the iraqi government with contracts going to exclusively US contractors. Objectives in these areas have been met.
There is a different issue with Afghanistan. It is positioned such that it intercedes between oil-rich areas to the north and the sea to the south. Many US oil companies have wanted to run a pipeline from the north through Afghanistan to a (still to be built) oil terminal on the coast in the south, but have not done so because the Taliban would exact heavy taxes and/or sabotage the pipeline. This was the major and perhaps only reason for the very illegal US invasion of Afghanistant in 2001.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan_Oil_Pipeline
Secondary objectives in Iraq and Afghanistan consist of using up large amounts of military supplies in order to increase the profits of US Defense contractors. This is one reason for endless wars.
@msc545 agreed but also China and Russia have an intrest there. Strategically in the long run preventing their interests there benefits the US economy
How does preventing the interests of China and Russia help the US economy? The prevention, such as it is, costs more than the benefits.
Everyone who's a decent soldier does that.
You aren't a proper soldier unless you set a farm or two on fire and shoot some civilians.
Watch out for Charlie in the trees!!!
I seen some stuff man! Some stuff and somethings!!! Wouldn't recommend it.
He buddy can you spare a quarter for a Vietnam vet?
Love your update 🤣🤣 To stalker dude:
GO EAT A SNICKER'S
https://youtu.be/dbpFpjLVabA
That's good! Or maybe it was your update that did it.. People always say ignore, but if you ignore problems, they don't go away they escalate. I've personally found if you publicly call em on their BS, they'll usually go away... But if you keep getting harassed and stalked, report it to GAG as well
I reported it but the problem was he continued harrassing me with new accounts all because a woman disagreed with him and proved him wrong with facts he felt embarrassed and humiliated. Actually feel bad for him as he might have bad stuff going on in his life.
That proves, if it is even true, that exactly one woman was pretty good at killing people with a rifle at long range. It says nothing about all the other women.
No it's not at all lol, so what moderator have you ignored or said something about they're only fans gal they obsessing over they won't like that
Could be. there's a guy here harrassing me and using multiple accounts to report me all the time because a woman dared disagree with him and prove his arguments feeble and ill-conceived. He's just butthurt, embarrassed and humiliated.
Lol loads of them here the ones that say shit so stupid it hurts my head I wish I could avoid lol
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