Very true :)
Thanks for teaching me a lesson, I can agree with you on in many ways on both things you mentioned. Yet usually women criticize each other based on what they believe men find desirable. When it comes to men dissing Janet Reno, I never knew that it was mostly women doing it, so thanks for letting me know that. Yet why do many men heavily diss Rosie O'Donell or Ann Coulter's appearances in the media and just frequently online in comments?
I don't know why that is. I haven't seen it but I don't doubt it happens. I guess some people, men and women, are just mean.
Exactly! That's what in just don't get
Thanks for putting it that way, it's a way better example. :)
also women mostly get ready to impress other women which i dont understnad but women care more about other girls opinions than guys... we dont diet for guys we diet for other girls or so is the saying
Well I guess I can't argue with a lot of what you said, you told it straight. Though why are women usually less harsh then men when it comes to the relevance of looks towards men? :)
Thanks for mentioning that but why exactly do women compete with other women even if they aren't lesbians?
because the older the guy is the more chances he has a well paying job, more experience, and he is better established in social circles. an experienced guy is sexy and i would be willing to forgive a little back hair and love handles if that guy is college educated and knows what he wants. young guys dont know what they want half the time- they have to go out and try a bunch of things aand figure it out for themselves. thats why theyre exciting i guess- theyre eager to learn. older guys theyre molded and they know themselves so theyre more confident
there's a saying that to win everyone over in an audience you must first win over the women and than the men will follow in suit. its just people i guess- women seek validation from other women based on looks and appearence and guys well- they are more laid back. women see little flaws like fat and wrinkles and guys they dont notice as much. it doesn't have to do with sexual preference at all haha as lesbians are still women
Your funny lol :) but on a serious note, that makes sense. So in other words, women want security.
yep women just want to feel safe... and hahah thanks :)
Thats really interesting and it's certainly relatable to women generally being very high maintenance, I never heard that saying so thanks for letting me know. Sorry, yes lesbians are definitely still women, what I meant is, why would you care about being better looking than another woman to impress other women if you aren't attracted to women at all?
because humans are insecure by nature. everyone wants to be liked and i guess it depends on the persons attitude and their level of vanity whether healthy or not- but i may want to be better looking than another person just because it could mean i recieve better treatment from society if im labeled as fit or healthy (again its harsh but its reality.) or i may be chosen over another person for a job purely based on looks. we associate looking good with being successful and if im better looking than that girl i may have more oppurtunities. but than again im not that vain im just throwing a hypothetical out there.
Very well put and vividly the truth, thank you for breaking it down for me. :)
no problem :)
That's still a good suggestion though and regardless of other motives it's still part of the reason. :)
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That's very true but how come women who are attractive still aren't taken seriously when saying something important?
we may also be in error when someone who is blessed with both good looks and a sharp mind that that person has skidded by on their looks alone- i want to say sometimes people feel insecure and they feel threatened by both smart and beautiful people.
@Xoxoxooo123 Thank you for chiming in, that's very true. :) This side of the problem need to be addressed and it's awful but the jealousy is definitely there.
People simply grow up to believe that females are subservient to "Men". It stems from the belief that females are "emotional" and "not logical".
@Mesonfielde makes sense, I can't argue with that. Upbringing is always an endless battle on its own.
Yes, Janet Reno doesn't seem like she has a very "neutral" personality from what is seen and yes nature is very tedious to explain, but do you think that her non ideal looks are part of the reason why her personality is described as strongly irritating? Would she be less regarded as so if she looked like Sarah Palin or would she still be critiqued physically anyways? :)
Idiots might tie together her looks and her personality, but I think she is irritating to people for other reasons. As for Sarah Palin, well, she has still been widely criticized despite her looks (even though I don't think she a anything special).
Yes you're right, that's a good point. It is human nature and yes I am guilty of it too. Yet thinking about politics for instance, if you take Sarah Palin, most of the time many men don't put much emphasis on what she has to say. It's just all about how beautiful she looks, where as if a man regardless of how he looks, says something, his appearance is never mentioned.
It's the easiest thing to judge about someone because it's one of the only things you know for sure about a person (how they look). People judge men too, such as in the first televised presidential debate, when one of the candidates didn't look too good on camera so a lot of people changed their opinion. Or something like that.
Nixon wound up being a victim to that when he ran against the dashing Mr. Kennedy :) (he was advised to wear some make up for televised debates, but he dismissed it as too gay)
Because that's what we're attracted to.
Yes that's true, alright I won't attack you, but if you look at @aamy811's answer that's what I'm talking about. Do her looks affect men's perception of what's being said and if it should or should not be seen as important?
Hmmm, that's a tough question. The guys in your age group measure girls based on their looks. Their other qualities (personality) are either pluses or minuses. So when you say a girl is funny or laid-back, that doesn't really register on our scale of desirability. It's a plus for sure, but at that age all that really matters is if she's hot or not. So while you say so-and-so is funny, you might be stating it matter-of-factly, we interpret it as "would you date/sleep with her?". To which we'd respond with "ya, she's hot" (i. e. ya we'd date/sleep with her) or "but she's not hot" (i. e. we wouldn't date/sleep with her). To a lot of teenaged guys where looks at set a premium, all personality traits are interpreted through the lenses of looks.
I never knew this, I'm very humbled. Thanks for clarifying that. :)
Yes you're right but does whether the girl is pretty or not effect the guy's judgements of the girl being plainly done? Do guys get upset if the girl isn't as pretty without makeup on or are they just happy for the truth?
I can't disagree that's very true, but are the reasons for why both genders want these contrasting traits clear or are they simply something that nobody will ever really know? :)
It's evolution/genetics. Women want a provider, men want a fertile woman (often times that means she needs to be hot)
Very simply put, thank you. :)
You mean to say that men albo choose their employees based on how fertile they seem? ;) Sexism IS natural, and so is xenophobia, but in professional situations (and that includes judging public officials on their performance) we should divorce from those primal instincts a bit and see these people for what they contribute to the community.
That's a very common answer but how come they don't shift their focus some how to what's relevant?
Because their penis tells their brains what to do. Brain is not the boss in that case.
That's horrible and must be very difficult. Hopefully there's a way that the brain can be stronger.
There is no way.
In that case, there's not much for me to say but once again it being horrible.
It's natural so you can't label it as horrible.
The consequences can be horrible but I have no right to judge especially on issues that I can't relate to, so I apologize.
it's ok lol.
That's true but why don't they shift their focus onto what's being said? :)
Bc they are visual they would choose the hottest girl always , what can we do , they only fall in love for you when they really get to know you :)
even if YOUR not a bad bitch?
@Awsdrd1990 Yes. Women feel the same way about hot guys.