i understand now,
Glad to hear it.
Candidate for MHO right here.
I agree with most of your answer but can we please stop with this entitlement bullshit? Modern feminists and social justice warriors love to throw that term around without knowing what the hell they're talking about. Sex is a biological drive written into our DNA. Our hormonal reaction to getting it or not getting it is genetic. It has nothing to do with entitlement or the patriarchy.
@ImNotCreativeEither No, "we" cannot stop with this "entitlement bullshit" because whether or not it relates to you personally, the reality is that some men feel entitled to a woman's affection. You can't expect this massive world full of unique individuals to all be an identical reflection of your feelings. So just because you feel that "modern feminists and social justice warriors love to" blah blah blah does not mean that is necessarily true. If anything, that just comes off as you being dismissive because you arrogantly assume that you know everything and categorize people for saying something you don't like. Maybe for YOU personally it has nothing to do with entitlement or patriarchy *I never mentioned patriarchy* but you are not the official representitve for all or even most men.If you feel the need to debate, bicker, whine, bitch, or complain about modern feminists and social justice warriors, please do it off my posts because I'm not interested in listening to any of that
I would steer clear of commenting on discussion forums if you're not interested in dissenting opinions.To that end, I'd like to ask you for proof that most men think that way. Because if it's not most men, then it really doesn't make any sense to make a declaration that it's part of why men react a certain way to something.You're also making the mistake of assuming I'm only going off my own experience, rather than considering that I'm making my point based also on conversations I've had over my whole adult life with other men. At a certain point the combined experience of these men does become a representative sample.Sure there may be some men who feel entitled to sex for this reason or that. But I assure you they are the minority and their expectations are largely based on prior experience.
@ImNotCreativeEither To YOU personally, GAG is a discussion forum. For others, they come here to ask for help or advice. Others come here to curiously inquire what someone's personal insight or viewpoint is. YOU choose to view this place as a discussion forum where you are welcome to invite yourself to anyone's space with your whiny tone and demand an explanation for what they think.
@ImNotCreativeEither Your tone and overall attitude is turning me off. I don't care who you've come into contact with online who has encouraged your entitled attitude that you have a right to invite yourself where your presence was not requested and bring negativity with your bitching and moaning but I don't tolerate that mess. If you enjoy the useless, unproductive, lame hobby of eagerly sitting on your ass in front of a screen and waiting for an opportunity to bicker then that's your business. Don't bring that mess to my post. I'm not interested in your lame desire to sit in front of a screen and try to show off what you think you know or desperately prove to yourself that your opinion overrides the insight of others.
You must be pretty fucking dumb if you don't think that everything you described pretty much defines a discussion forum. It's just about a foregone conclusion that a website built around threads where members can respond to each other and with a tagline and comment format centered around the word "opinion" is a discussion forum. My tone and attitude ARE turning you off huh? Good thing I'm not trying to fuck you, otherwise I might care. But you see how like a primitive ape you revert to sexual terminology? Kind of makes my point for me, dontcha think? The rest of what you said doesn't apply to me (nor sure where you got any of that from) so I won't waste my time responding to it.
@ImNotCreativeEither YOU must be pretty fucking dumb if you think random strangers online are going to put up with your whiny bitching and moaning because you feel entitled to try and force discussions on people who aren't interested in what you have to say. Yes, honey. I don't like whiny ass grown men who bitch, moan, and go projecting their preconceived concepts where they weren't even mentioned. I never mentioned modern feminists or patriarchy: You just want to bitch about those things and I'm not interested.Don't assume any random person is interested in listening to you yap away and rant about your preconceived ideas.
You must be new to the internet. And discussion forums. And you don't seem all that experienced with the male/female dynamic or basic biology.I have no expectations or emotional investment in whether or not you care to hear my opinion. You posted a comment on a public forum and I replied with a dissenting opinion. Deal with it. I'm not sure why you think I'm "bitching" or "whining" about anything nor do I really care. You've proven yourself to be a person whose opinion is inferior and unimportant. I'm just stating my opinion but apparently the existence of my opinion makes you feel threatened. Your problem, not mine. Life sucks and then you die. Get over it. I'm still not 100% sure how most of what you're saying applies to me, but rather than waste time and brain cells thinking about it, I'm going to spend the rest of my night not hating the world, unlike you. Good night!
I think rather than lashing out at people like me for things we haven't done (such as whining or bitching), you should focus your attention on getting laid. Sounds like you need it more than the guys the OP is asking about.Luckily, sex is an area where women have power over men.
@ᗰIᑎᑕᕼᗩᑎ'mNotCreativeEither No, I am not going to "deal with it". You don't fucking speak to me like that. I don't give a fuck how old you are, how arrogant you are, or how much you overestimate your entitled, nasty ass mouth. I don't have to deal with ANYTHING from you, sweetheart. We're not friends, we're not family, I'm not your fucking therapist, you're not a professor and my post is not a class, and we're sure as hell not cool so you don't tell me to deal with your worthless, nasty, excessive, rude ass mouth. LOL! I'm not going to "get over it" because I don't have to. Contrary to your arrogance, you are nonexistent to my world, honey. You're not apart of my journey; you have no significance on my timeline therefore I don't have to "get over" or "deal with" not one part of your fucked up personality. :) That is the last time you will have the chance to express your mistaken sense of entitlement on any of my posts.
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@Bluemax You might be right there, I was simplifying too much : it might be caused more by frustration and sadness coming from lack of intimate contact. (and that intimate contact doesn't need to be sexual. The times I had a girlfriend but no sex because she just wasn't ready for it, I felt not bitter at all)Thus I'd better refer to the second part of my sentence "___ like pretty girls feel they're entitled to male attention". and speak about affection instead of attention.My bad.
@ImNotCreativeEitherI'd be interested in your take on it. I think what happens is that there are a very loud minority of men who do feel entitled some way to sex. They are a small minority, but they are the loudest. Most other guys who are sad and frustrated about not getting any just go on with their lives. They don't log on to the internet and rant about how dare she rejected them. Their voices go largely unheard on the internet. Consequently, many people seem to think the most vocal group represents the majority.
I agree with pretty much everything you're saying. I don't think there are NO men who feel entitled to sex, although to be honest I'm not even sure exactly what people mean when they say that. I guess there are guys with a lot of testosterone who get a lot of attention from women so they expect it, and that can be similar to entitlement. I wouldn't be surprised if those guys were very vocal on social media. And sure, some guys will take a girl out to a nice dinner and feel she owes them sex when it's over. But these people talk about entitlement as if it's THE reason men get angry about not getting laid. It's part of their sociopolitical agenda - male privilege and oppression and all. They just have no concept. To whatever extent it exists it's very minor. Like I tried to tell someone else on this thread, I've never encountered men who think this way, and if they were so ubiquitous, I probably would have.
But I also think there are a lot of guys who do wind up resenting all women for not getting laid. But I think that's part and parcel to the way men and women relate to each other. The two sexes have been trying for millennia to figure each other out. How many books out there were written for one half of the population to help decode the other? The Game, He's Just Not That Into You, Men are From Mars, Women are From Venus, etc. And then of course there's this very website. So people have always viewed the opposite sex as homogeneous to an extent, on both sides. How many times have you heard a woman say "I hate men!"? So yeah I think it's natural for a guy who can't get any traction or action with women to say "I hate women!" if every woman he encounters treats him the same way. Not saying it's productive, but it is understandable.
Agree with you to a point, but rejection from some women, even if it is from many women, isn't rejection from all women. Is this a reason to hate all women?
@Bluemax you're talking about emotions that run very deep into a primal part of the human mind. It may not be a valid reason but emotions aren't rational. Besides, at a certain point the frustration has to be vented somewhere. And rejection from many women can make people perceive a pattern that they will always be rejected.
@ImNotCreativeEither Yes, that is exactly what I am talking about.
It is best vented on something other than other humans.
@Bluemax I am not saying they are handling it as well as they could. The fact is that the more pain someone is in, the harder it is to handle it properly. I remember when I was a kid and tried talking to people about my pain I would just get yelled at for being weak, or told about how much harder it was on girls, and that I didn't have any real problems. So I can really relate to a young man guy not being able to handle his pain well. A lot of people just don't have the emotional support system they need to be able to handle themselves rationally.
okay I understand
Great answer! Makes a lot of sense
Thank you. See, if you didn't say this, and I got no feedback on my answers, then I would leave gag :D
No problem! When people do a great job i like telling them (y)
And we're supposed to take this with dignity and grace? I think not.If you reject a man for whatever reason he will hate you. Unless he's a little beta faggot.
@Marinepilot Yes, you are supposed to take it with dignity and grace. She can't control that she isn't attracted to you any more than you can control your not being attracted to some women.
@Anonymous See my opinion. Every one of the people I mentioned knows there's more to life than love (none of them just wants sex), and yet they are still sad and frustrated. Do you expect them to feel nothing at all about their loneliness?
@Bluemax I think you may be taking this to a beyond deeper level. I don't think the asker is talking about someone in those type of situations necessarily, so much as the guy, probably young, who thinks sex is owed to him by every woman, and when they get rejected, its like how dare you not have sex with me, it's me. Those are the type that start trash talking women and having complexes when they are rejected. Clearly women experience rejection too, so its not just a guy thing, but its in how you handle it. You are free to cry, and feel sad, or angry, but when you take out your frustration in such a negative way, and for some men, even a dangerous way on those that reject them, yeah, you do have to say, hey, there is more to life than your quest to get laid.
Such as the question is phrased, it is unclear if the Asker is including them in her thinking or not. I thought it best to include them, since there may very well be some who are reading it.I believe those men who think they are owed sex are in a minority. Frankly, I don't know a single one in real life, though I have seen them on the internet. You and I are in complete agreement about how to take out one's frustration.Do you know anyone personally your age, male or female, who is still a virgin but doesn't want to be?
Because they dont get what they want? Those two other examples isn't something I care about so i dont know why they get so angry, but im assuming it has something to with not getting what you expect to get
I didn't mean you yourself. I mean, there must be something like this that would make you histerical if you couldn't get it, and your question is a lighter, more acceptable version of it.It's not about expecting it, it's about genetic codes. You want it because you're coded for it, you get angry if you don't get it. Same for food, shelter etc.
Dude. You nailed it! ... especially get rid of marriage or at least mandate courses involving brutal reality checks and psych-evaluation testing for couples that want to get married.
Im not a guy.. so do you expect me to know?
@ Prof_DonReading many girls here, many understand it when it relates to themselves. "I'm the ugliest girl of all" is a classical on G@g and relates to that. But girls don't develop the same aggressiveness some guys get then. (testosteron in guys?)Girls don't understand why some guys get aggressive and woman haters because of it.
What does that have to do with anything?
Guys get bitter when they get repeatedly denied something they want (sex)Girls get bitter when they get repeatedly denied something they want (commitment)
Okay I see
i do have a sex drive.. im not an asexual
Your sex drive is maybe 0.1% of that experienced by guys my age.
so its justified that some guys act lieke cry babies? "
Justified? No, I didn't say that anything is justified, I'm just telling you why it is.
As well it should.
So no sex = bitter sad man?
I guess sort of. It's a little bit of a pride/ ego thing. lol Just don't do anything you don't want to do. They will get over it and if they don't then kick them to the curb.
I never do anything I dont want to, im great at being hard to get lol
Just make sure you are not teasing him then. It's not fair if you are purposely working him up then saying no.
It's also sort of a biological/DNA thing.
Is it ALWAYS only pride and ego, or might there be another explanation?
So guys dont control their mood when they dont get laid? They will Just bash on any women?
Some doMost control
I dont know, I dont get laid and im not angry or bitter
You are one person and how you feel and cope with certain things in your life is not going to be representative of everyone else. Sex is as much a human need as breathing, eating and excreting.
Yeah, I understand :) I guess I dont see it because im a Virgin lol
You may one day feel the same way some of these people feel, you may not, I hope you don't because as someone who used to be bitter and angry; they're not attractive qualities in a person and overshadow everything else that is great about the said person.
That's because you don't want sex as much and you VALUE it differently.
@askerYou might sing a different tune if you are in your fifties and never been laid.
im just like you!
High five giirl✋😎
Can you be sure if at 50 and you have never felt the loving touch of a man you will not be in the least bit sad or frustrated?
@Bluemax you never had sex?
No, I have been married. My friend however hasn't had sex. He is a little younger than I.
So you get bitter?
A little. Especially when I'm kinda pressing it with more sexual innuendos and being more touchy feely.
I guess a little is normal, but do you start ranting about all women etc?
Haha no. I usually just occupy myself and don't bring up anymore until she is ready.
It's not that simple.
You might never understand.
Blue balls are avoidable as long as you have a hand but doing it yourself isn't that satisfying psychologically.
HELL YA! come on cheer up mate! Wish me luck today!
and when I say I want love and care. People think I am lying and that I want sex. @asker
Im sad to hear that. Im kinda one of Those people, but its only a reflection of my own low self esstem about my personality.. I think I have pushed a lot of great guys away because of it
Society is not telling you that you should want sex. Your DNA is telling you that. Society just reinforces it. Society doesn't tell dogs they should want sex but they still fuck.
@ImNotCreativeEither He'll yeah! Well put.
Not one person I know personally in this situation feels entitled to sex, and yet they are still sad and frustrated. (See my opinion above)Is entitlement the ONLY explanation (it certainly is a popular one), or might there be another reason. If so what could it be?
@Bluemax I am so fucking sick and tired of hearing this bullshit about men feeling "entitled" to sex. I'm writing a my take about it now but I can't get the wording right. People really need to stop saying it.
and entitlement comes from the media. In the media (movies, TV) everyone is having sex, so if you're not you're seen as a loser, someone less than average. Of course males are going to feel they're entitled (although obviously in reality, they're not).
Hate groups... AKA Tumblr.
I can't relate to that.. so its not very helpful to me
Well I don't know how having an answer to why men get upset being ignored by half the population would have helped either. But it seems fairly logical... being unaccepted makes people feel abandoned and it eventually makes them angry. You might not get that now because you are a female 18-24 once the looks fade it will all come into focus.
No need to get angry. You were the one being snide. I just told you the truth. I'm sorry if you don't like the truth.
i can handle the truth, but i dont appriaciate you indicating that guys will start ingoring me "once the looks fade", im more than my looks...
I;m not indicating it... I'm simply pointing out the truth that once a female doesn't have looks to help her through life... it becomes a lot harder for them to get attention from the opposite sex. It isn't a made up idea. How is this news to you?
you said "... Well I don't know how having an answer to why men get upset being ignored by half the population would have helped either" and then you said "You might not get that now because you are a female 18-24 once the looks fade it will all come into focus". It is hard for me not to transelate those statements as you trying to say that as soon as my looks fade the half of the population will ignor me because im not hot anymore. Hence me getting annoyed.
Yes and those statements are true. Once you get old, you will essentially be ignored like most women. You will be reduced to desperation and pathetic attempts at holding on to your youth. I am sorry that you don't like that and your refusal to see that it happens all around you and that you might somehow be different shows that you can't handle truth.
that YOUR opinion though.. you can argue as much as you want, its subjective.. you dont know me, you know nothing about me. Its the same as me calling you an ugly fat dude and you pathethic because you can't get laid and probarly never will..
But you see it isn't simply my opinion. You WILL get old... that is not avoidable. Old women do not get the same attention from the opposite sex and young women. This has been shown many times over. news.discovery.com/.../...-after-age-21-140912.htmwww.dailymail.co.uk/.../...RY-different-views.htmlwww.high50.com/.../invisible-women-50-plus-and-ignored-by-menCalling me fat and ugly is an assumption which I am neither of by the way. But you have no backup to support it unlike the truth that you will get older and men will find you less attractive. It's simply the way society works.
I liked this chart on Discovery. comstatic.ddmcdn.com/.../...-ages-graph-2-670-jpg.jpg
Well obviously, but it does not mean that guys will ignor me, get over yourself
I think the fact that you somehow think you will magically be different than all other women is hilarious. You are the one who needs to get over yourself.But that being said... I have made my point. Have a grand day.
Im not saying that guys aren't going give me less attention, im very aware I won't look like this forever. but telling me that no guy would want me after I reach a certain age is Just plain ignorance from your part. You dont even consider the posibility that I might be in a relationship or that i have a personality. I dont see how you dont find your statements stupid
Or tje fact that I have a personality *
I never said "no guy will want you" there will always be the desperate males. Those who were overlooked by the attractive girls when they were younger. Even if you are in a relationship, your partner won't be as attracted to you and will secretly fantasize about younger women who are still firm and attractive. Having a personality won't mean shit compared to a young attractive girl. I don't find my statements stupid because they are true. You think they are stupid because you don't like them.
you said "when guys will ignor you", so yeah, you indrectly said "no guys would want me" Anyway, you obviously are of those guys who dont get laid, im sorry about not winning the genetic lottery
And that is a true statement. They will ignore you. (In general is assumed in basic conversation since it is illogical that it's would be an absolute). "Indirectly saying" anything means you took my actual words and made them into what you wanted them to be.Now you are back to pathetic shaming tactics where you feel the need to try and say I am some angry bitter male who doesn't get laid. Typical retarded response when losing an argument. I am neither bitter nor am I "losing the genetic lottery" but nice try. It has no bearing on my statements.
We are done here. I refuse to continue a conversation with someone who can't do anything but make pathetic childish jabs in an attempt to marginalize the other party, on top of the fact that this conversation is now redundant.
It doesn't matter anymore, though. I can't even get a boner now. My depression and all the antidepressants and anti-psychotics I took ultimately destroyed my ability to get a boner whenever I want.
So thats why you become bitter towards women?
I didn't take those drugs willingly, my parents and doctors forced me to take them. Recently, I've been put on an anti-psychotic called Risperidone because a new doctor thinks I'm not logical enough. None of these drugs ever work. They just make my depression worse and they kill my ability to get erect. But as long as my parents are happy, what right do I have to complain, lol.
I'm not even bitter towards women. Where are you getting that from?
@AskerI love women. I just wish women would finally give me a chance instead of picking guys that want to harm and destroy them.
Im not saying you are, but my question asked why guys get bitter so when you answered I assume you got bitter about it
@AskerI don't know why they get bitter. I think there's no point in getting bitter. I just get depressed instead. I have no intention of hurting women.
@AskerSorry. You just remind me of someone who was trying to understand guys. Every guy is different. Every girl is different.
You're right! Im kinda control freak when it comes guys im generel.. I dont understand them so its stresses me and makes me insecure hence my trying to figure everything out
@Asker You don't need to control a guy if he really loves you.
I believe for most guys love is important.
You have a Tumblr account don't you?
I dont. Why?
Really? I know for a fact that's not the only reason for the people I mentioned in my opinion.
And I thought this website was for people with opinions.
I dont have a man and never have, Im still not angry or bitter about it
If you had one and he didn't want to fuck you, you'd feel bad about it I guarantee it
I could imagine. . The V makes guys go craycray lom
Yeah and everyone who drinks water will die.
See my opinion.
I dont think its a silly question, but whatever. And thanks for your answer it makes sense
You can be yes. No regard for how it makes us feel.
OK. OK now let's be politically correct and throw the word "most" in there. If we generalize the absolute thinker might take offense or think we're too dumb or think we have assumptions about ALL females.
I think most women know how rejection feels, but that does not and should not trump that they are not into you
Thats good! :)
Madokh, see my opinion above. It's one thing at 19 to say that, but it's quite another at 59.
Im sexually frustrated a lot but I dont go around bashing people because of it, in addition there is something called masturbation
Ik they don't know how to vent it out lolz
@AskerMasturbation only takes care of having an orgasm. Masturbation isn't a substitution for sex.
Sounds really painful