Very well stated I feel the same
Thats fair, and understanding. But why exactly are girls allowed to be as masculine as they want where most boys refuse to be feminine. I've met girls that are wayyy more masculine than feminine.
And I met guys that are way more feminine than girls. I think that guys are closer to a masculine state by default. If we like me don't do anything special and have convenient short hair you are seen as a guy. If a girl does the same with short hair, a t-shirt and no makeup she is seen as masculine. So masculinity can be done with the lack of something. Femininity can be done with having something.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Nah, not kidding
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This is a great analysis
Okay but the thing about that is I might be straight but I'll still date a feminine male. Gender never has equalled personality and it doesn't decide what you like and cannot like.Since I grew up with spongebob, they often broke gender roles on there, and I always break gender roles. I am as tomboy as they come as thats why I do not laugh or mock boys that are in touch with their tomgirl side, or if they want to wear makeup or wear a dress, I say go for it. Stop worrying about what others guys think, just be yourself and wear and act how you want to act. There is nothing wrong with being feminine.
Sure. But in turn, you are probably assuming that femininity is weak and cowardly too just like 90% of the other guys on this chat
Not necessarily. Masculinity and femininity aren't exact opposites. For example, an important factor when it comes to masculinity is courage, which is why cowardice is viewed as un-masculine, and is the reason why the accusation of cowardice is almost always used against men. It's a direct attack on their masculinity - which is why I say it's contradictory, because it's basically imlying that a man is less masculine because he isn't feminine. Does that mean that a woman can't be feminine and courageous? No. Courage vs cowardice just isn't something that really comes into femininity at all. As a woman you might be slightly insulted if somebody were to call you a coward, but it probably wouldn't be that big of a deal if you're being honest. It's not that big of a deal to most women. We don't often call women cowards do we? That's the reason. Whereas to many men them's fighting words.
Interesting. Do you mind if you go through with the terms "man up" and "don't run like a girl" and "Girl, go make me a sandwhich" and "You look like a girl" please. Not trying to be rude but I need those explained
your shaming language is uneffective. Try it on your army of white knights.
Thats really upsetting honestly.. I hope one day you guys will be allowed to be feminine without worrying about what other men think
Why do you want men to be feminine though?
Well its a bit unfair that girls are allowed to be masculine, and they can play video games and go skateboarding without problems.. while boys aren't allowed to do makeup, or do ballet or even cry... its just not very equal
Not allowed? That's a bit too extreme...Frowned upon might be the right expression.. just like you girls are also frowned upon when you try to do masculine stuff...
Okay but we aren't frowned upon for doing masculine stuff, we actually get praised for it. Haven't you noticed that its seen as empowering and strong for a girl to play football or any sport or even when she plays video games, its seen as cool.
Why do you think being feminine is a "wuss" thing?Whats wrong with being a girl or like a girl.Why are women allowed to be as masculine as they want, and why isn't that perceived as a wuss thing?
The main difference has to do with the guy's intentions doesn't have nothing to do with you guys.. It's like i see a very masculine woman and she's automatically my homie there ain't nothing wrong with that she doesn't mind it (because women need a sexual and emotional connection before really really liking someone) even though she'll have a much harder time getting a date compared to a feminine women.. While most feminine guys whine about how no girl wants to go out with them (guys usually think that after just seeing the girl then either getting friendzoned or getting rejected) while their buddy brian is fucking twice daily.. It's just basic psychology women are attracted to masculine men and men are attracted to feminine women it's that easy
It's a wuss if you're a guy like i swear to you no guy wants to be labeled as girly it's the biggest insult like you're attacking his entire manhood regardless if he acts okay with it he'd rather be much more confident and masculine then sensitive and feminine
Yeah fair enough. but I still don't think y'all should get so angry if you are labeled as feminine or girly. I don't get mad when people call me masculine. Do you think that Masculinity = strong, Feminnity = weak. IS that why men get told to not be feminine. But women can be masculine? Cause thats hecka sexist if you ask me. And on the flip side, Im straight, I prefer feminine men over masculine men. Because masculine men through hissy fits when I beat them at a video game and are usually more sexist and scared to be emotional. They also used to force me to wear makeup and I hated it
I just think we shouldn't be seeing femininity as weak anymore and girly shouldn't be seen as a bad thing.Women are allowed to be as masculine as they want.Men have an extent to being feminine... Its just sad
Yes. I am a straight tomboy girl and I can act as masculine as I want.But if a straight tomgirl boy, dares try on a dress. Wow is he in for a lot of trouble
But we, women aren't afraid of being perceived as gay either?I mean why is masculinity seen as a good and powerful thing, why do women hate being women. Why do men hate acting like women.
I think they are mostly afraid cause most men don't let them out masc them
No I mean they don't want to appear masculine
Yep because men tell them to be feminine. I'm straight, and I'm very masculine, but sometimes with my guy friends they will tell me to wear makeup, or be more girly, or "Lol she can't do parkour she's a girl" and its frustrating. Just let women be masculine, I let men be feminine. I had another guy friend that cried because of a serious issue happening, and his friends told him to stop being a "pssy" which is again, just using feminine words as to being weak.
Because fuck gender roles. If I want to go out and skateboard and do parkour and not want to wear dresses and hate makeup. And If I am naturally blunt and hate emotions. Then thats me. Don't you know that people are allowed to be themselves?Gender doesn't change your personality or decide what you're supposed to like. If someone dared tell me to be feminine when my personality is naturally masculine, then Id tell them to "stop trying to change who I am and f off"
I am a woman and I know several others that love being masculine. We all are extremely tomboyish but we all are straight. I feel as though society values masculinity higher than femininity, as females are not scared to be masculine.
Tomboys are not masculine. Believe me. You probably don't have many masculine men around you, because if you did you would simply compare yourself to those men and realize how different you are from them. And i don't understand the second part. Even if men were afraid to be feminine, how would that make masculinity more valuable? But really, women dread any masculine feature. For example women who have broad shoulders or big jaws or big hands or too much hair, hate that because those are considered masculine.
Masculine activities like sports are favoured by many women. While dancing is hated by many men.Femininity is obviously seen as an insult in society, while Masculinity is seen as strength and power.And everyone in society wants to be respected and thats why most people try to be more masculine.Women that are scared of coming off as masculine, have learnt that they have to be perfect and have perfect looks to get A MAN. While men that are scared of coming off as feminine, it is usually because he was told that it was weak to be feminine.
I am a girl and majority of my friends are girls.NONE OF THEM ARE FEMININE. And no girl is afraid of being masculine. They are afraid of being more masc than a guy because the guy will get mad. But most girls are masculine as hell because masculinity is seen as superior so girls want to be masculine
Men can't stand masculine women.
Thats the mans problem. If you just let go of these bs gender roles then there would be a lot more peace in our world you know
Because femininity is seen as weak? and gets mocked often?
And same reason why women are afraid of being masculine
Masculinity is seen as strong in society, and a lot of women want to be strong..
Then a lot of men like to be rested. You forgot about those feminist who always whine about masculinity being toxic.
I think they whine about toxic masculinity being toxic, not all masculinity in general
Also because there is such thing as toxic femininity which you fail to see
Toxic femininity comes from the idea of what women should be and how women should behave which comes from the idea of toxic masculinity.
Then where is your source? Because all that actually make sense here is they're just both counterparts. When we have the patriarchy you also have the matriarchy. If you're so terrified about being feminine why are we looking for housewives generally speaking? We biological love feminine women. We don't want to date someone who looks like a guy or acts like one just like women don't wanna date guys who acts like girls or look like one. It's a biological thing and it's not a gender construct but it is all hardwired in your brains because there is an experiment about young kids on what they prefer male and female they like different things without anyone telling them what they should like.
What do you mean by feminine though?
Try wearing a dress without freaking out then
I have. As a joke in college. Not a big deal.But that is a dumb validation method of showing “feminine”.It is like saying to prove you are ok with being masculine... wear a tie. It’s not “proof”, it’s clothing.If you wNt to prove you are ok with being masculine... risk your life for a female.
I already have risked my life for a female, I jumped infront of a car to save her in grade 5 and she didn't thank me or anything. If that makes me masculine then nice.