Why do people think clinically underweight is normal, underweight is curvy, average is overweight, and chubby is fat?

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I'm talking about this picture. #3 is slightly underweight but okay, #4 looks average but is deemed chubby, #5 is chubby but is deemed fat. The other ones are so thin they don't even have boobs, like what? What's wrong with people? How is that desirable? No wonder people are getting boob implants in the West. This scoring system is broken, does this actually represent what people think?

Why do people think clinically underweight is normal, underweight is curvy, average is overweight, and chubby is fat?
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This problem seems awfully relevant to the issues with the image of females in advertising, designed to make females hate themselves for not looking like those photoshopped idealized puppets... no one looks like that...
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  • This is how we have evolved to view women's bodies in western mainstream culture. Also, this is a "white" cultural thing. It exists in other minority groups in the west as well, but its definitely most concentrated in the white majority.

    However, another good point is also made. you're contributing to the same thing you're criticizing by trying to speak negatively about these women based on their body types. you're saying how could anyone be attracted to that body. well, thats the same body policing over women's bodies that has gotten "chubby" labelled as "fat". same method, you just want different results.

    but why is that even important? chubby doesn't even have a real meaning, its as subjective as the word fat can be.

    the important part is that most average women don't look like the women who may or may not be underweight but who are most praised in society and therein lies the damage of the way women's bodies especially are critiqued. thats the damage of having that standard of very very thin upheld as the norm, and worse - the ideal. its not normal for most women and young girls kill themselves (literally and figuratively) trying to look like that. thats the problem. however, trashing one group of people blatantly like that in such an objectifying way "they don't even have tits, who wants that? yuck!" is contributing to the same shit. you're telling another group of women that they're bodies suck more than they probably already think, they need implants, if they are clinically underweight (in which case gaining weight is VERY hard - I have a friend who struggles with this) then fuck them, they're just not woman enough for my dick.

    Fuck you and your dick, is my point basically. You were headed in the right direction before you decided to crap on some other peoples self esteem in a blatant way. Upholding thin women as the ideal and norm is the problem. Telling them they're less of a woman because they have tiny tits is not the solution.

    • They don't need implants, they need to eat more than just seeds and salad and an apple, one time a day.

    • It's a shame, I liked this answer until it started insulting me :P

    • I agree @Asker. It started out well and than woosh.. personal attacks. I know you were a bit generalizing your taste but everyone has preference, your preference is not with the moidel skinny type of women. But there are many out there who do think that's attractive. There are girls who are into skinny guys. In my eyes, skinny guys are really unattractive. I'd rather be with slightly chubby than skinny. So to each their own! But I understand where you're coming from. Some people say Marilyn Monroe was full figured.. lol! I've seen many many pictures and she had a great physique but she was slim and curvy. Yeah sizes were different back then, A North European size 38, is not the same size 38 as 50 years ago! 38 back in the day was more like a 34/36 now.

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  • Baffles me too, we are so far from seeing what is a normal weight. 1-5 as well as 8-9 are probably all at a good healthy weight.
    Most models are underweight. Not just some, literally I know. And that's by numbers you get from their agencies. And a lot of them actually do look sickeningly thin when you meet them in real life. But they go and photoshop their cheeks fuller, their boobs bigger, their bones away and their frame even smaller to make it even less realistic.
    So I suppose that's why we set that as normal and everything above that is fat. A lot of people have no idea what healthy looks like

    And I don't know why people are saying we think chubby is normal because in this country there is so much obesity are just trying to defend their unhealthy preference for extremely skinny women. I don't know how else to explain that otherwise.
    If you look at hunter gatherer societies people are far thicker than VS models, even though eating the real paleo diet you would expect them to be super thin

  • Well people are stupid if they believe this chart is accurate. Why can't people understand that we women all have different body types. We're damned if we don't have enough ought boobs, butt, curves, or if we have too much or not the right amount. Either love us for what we have or GTFO of my life and business. I don't believe that person should be unhealthy at all but in the end it's not my business.

    • well said!

    • Thanks

  • I agree with what you said in general. However, the curvy girl in the picture you posted is far from underweight. Her body is perfect.
    People's standards have changed because skinny has become the norm now. With all the models and slim celebrities we see everyday on posters and TV, we have started to see it as the standard, even though very few people actually look like that.

    • I don't see it as standard, they look underweight! Lol. Why aren't people immune to this?

    • Because people are weak XD -also, some people just find slim bodies more aesthetically pleasing, everyone has preferences right :)

    • I just wonder how much of it is defined by the media.

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  • Well why are you the arbiter of what is normal and attractive? If someone saw my body, you'd probably think I was underweight. But my fitness levels are exceptional.

    I doubt the fitness levels of #4 are good. I bet she's uncoordinated and out of touch with her body. But the afore is normal in society, so...

    "67% of men and 57% of women in the UK are either overweight or obese" <-- www.theguardian.com/.../uk-western-europe-obesity-study

    This is likely to influence our notions of what is normal.

    When I was a lad, and I remember it clearly, and I'm not saying it's right but, I remember the chubby girl in class was deemed to be unusually overweight. Now people that are chubby are just deemed to be normal, and being sat on your arse in front of a computer for 8 hours a day, is something also deemed to be perfectly acceptable. Most of us are rotting inside and ageing prematurely, and it's tragic.

    • She could just be a surfer and not an endurance athlete like a biker, swimmer or runner. Most athletes have fat on them unless they are endurance based.

  • Skinny isn't normal, go out on the street and look around! Fat is now 'normal'! Two thirds of Americans, on the rise elsewhere in the developed world. It's become so accepted that people have forgotten humans are meant to be lean and trim, because the typical lifestyle in the developed world means we don't get enough physical activity as part of our daily lives, we have to make a point of doing it in our spare time.

    The average female in a developed country is about 5'5". The ideal weight for that height is 130lbs... which will pretty much look like images 2 and 3 on that image everyone on here hates so much.

    • I'm 5'7" and I'm 135 lbs. With 130 lbs on an 5'5" female, you'd look like #4.

    • @asker dude you're heavier than me... i thought we would be around the same. i'm 120 with the same height LOL

    • @Klaatu51 which is odd because I don't *look* fat, and my muscle quantity is lower than optimal.

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  • I disagree to an extent. I think society is getting fatter and where weighing, for example, 18 stone would have been seen as obese 20 years ago, is kinda accepted as normal now x

    • I think obese people are still obese. But just because more people are obese due to the increased sugar intake, it doesn't mean we should thrive to have zero body on our fat at all. There's a reason for it to be there.

  • You're assuming the current US overweight person is 'average.' Mathematically, that is true, but that sort of 'average' is at LEAST chubby to the rest of the world!

    • I went with the notion that most people I see in Hungary here is #4.

  • Um 2 is slim, 3 is curvy, 4 is chubby, and 5 is fat. That's how I see it

    • 4 is average, 5 is chubby

    • And I'd say most girls are kind chubby

    • for their benefit, heh.

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  • You're fat/obese/morbidly obese aren't correct. You don't have to be very big at all to be classed as obese and not much bigger than obese to be classed as morbidly so. #5 is obese and #6 is morbid.

    • #5 doesn't look that obese to me o_o

    • I agree, but having been classed as morbidly obese while I was slimmer than #6 I can tell you now you don't have to be as big as you think to be classed medically as obese.

    • sorry that's a confusing sentence! I used to be fatter but was still smaller than #6 and at that size I was classed as morbidly obese by the doctor.

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  • I concur... with the unhealthy body images these days, BUT skinny girls (who are naturally skinny, and are completely healthy -not anorexic or have any eating disorder) are attractive too...
    Some girls just can't put on weight, as some girls can't shake off a few extra pounds either.

    I do realize that you're trying to show us that being too skinny is just as unattractive as being morbidly obese, but a nice way to go about it doesn't include generalizations.

    • "but a nice way to go about it doesn't include generalizations." I require an example on that strategy.

    • You'll have to spend more time explaining why you consider something to be attractive or not. Also, you can't say that all skinny people are unattractive - you have to speak for the entire world (but include what you think is right), not just your own personal opinions. Speaking from an impartial, level minded place, is what's going to get you most honest answers. Different circumstances of people's bodies and how they came to be that way are relevant. Being anorexic and being naturally skinny aren't the same things. Fat girls can also have no boobs at all. Skinny girls can have huge, natural boobs. Generalizations never helped anyone.

    • There is a difference between being naturally thin and being anorexic. What is being pushed by some of the fashion industry seems to encourage anorexia. My younger sister fell for it and it nearly killed her. I was somewhere between 3 and 4 and she was 0. That is comparing when we were 15.

  • I completely agree with you. I'm probably about a 5, and even when I was way thinner than i am now, people called me fat, which made me go on a strict diet, which caused me health problems. The standards for weight today are so ridiculous. The funny thing is.. a lot of people might consider me 'fat', but I'm actually incredibly healthy, probably healthier than most people. That's all that matters right? If we're healthy.

    • Oh, but I do disagree that skinny girls aren't desirable, because a lot of guys do like girls with smaller breasts. It just depends on the guy. Sometimes I wish I was thinner and less curvy, because it's so much easier to find clothes that way.

    • I looked at your picture, you look perfectly fine. The reason why it's hard to find clothes for some people, like me with a size of M and shoe size of 40 (yeah, European sizes, I don't know how that stuff translates) is actually common, so other people take it before you get to the store.

    • Thank you. :) It's hard for me to find clothes, because my body is too curvy. My stomach and bottom half of my legs are far too small to go up a size bigger, but if I go a size smaller, it's not big enough for my butt. It's a bit easier to find shirts. But bottoms are nearly impossible, because I got booty. Haha!!

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  • Ever heard of the Body mass index, well look it up. We have evolved to have a certain BMI, so if your BMI is higher than it should be for ones height, then they are overweight regardless how they look. 2,3.8 all look normal to me (8 is just very fit). Others are either overweight how ever slightly or underweight

    • to me, 4 looks normal, 3 looks thin but okay, 2 looks underweight

    • In one sense 4 is becoming more the norm these days because the population is becoming fatter from to much eating + fatty food and not enough exercise, but really we should all be looking somewhat like 2-3 :)

    • There's no way 2 is the default. 3, maybe, but not for everyone.

  • There is no time in the history of the world that 3 would have been considered underweight.

    • I've done some research, and you're right, 3 is pretty normal. In fact, that is *the* de facto normal. #2 is not.

  • It pays to remember that in 1960, 54% of adults in the USA were not overweight.
    Now less than 29% of adults in the USA are not overweight.
    Normal is no longer healthy. Normal is overweight, and less than 7% below being obese

    • Yes, but obese look like #6 and no one said that's normal.

  • Damn, I'm looking closest to the chick in number 5 and I definitely wouldn't die if I lost weight, but I don't think I'm "fat." That being said, there's really no reason to criticize body types. Anything after 1 and before 6 doesn't look unhealthy to me, and there's even more in between that, too. I'm really uncomfortable with the idea of saying what people SHOULD look like. Some girls are thinner than others just as a default. NBD.

    • I think 0 1 2 are too thin, 3 is just thin, and I think while probably fit and stuff, 8 and 9 seem a bit too thin too. 6 and 7 are obviously not desirable due to the possible health risks from having too much fat.

    • Is it just me... or was there a mad jump between 5 and 6? hahaha

    • Not just you. I found this picture with Google, and apparently the person is surprisingly biased. But I still think calling 4 "chubby" and 5 "fat" is an extreme exaggeration.

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  • #4 and #5 being chubby and fat, respectively, seem like a bad joke to me...

    • Agreed 4 is not chubby at all. Personally I think 5 is chubby and that if there was a pic that was between 5 and 6, that could be fat.

  • Part of the reason being lightweight is desired is because excess fat on a person's face obscures sex-based facial features. Part of the reason is also because, in the United States, a healthy BMI is less common than elsewhere. As better weight loss products/plans become commonplace, the attitude will change.

    Depersonalizing news/media/advertising and casting blame on them, as many people do, is silly. We are all news/media/advertising. I cannot emphasize the last sentence enough. When we support weight loss by condemning fast food, we are going to be interpreted by many people as condemning people who are overweight, whether we intend to or not. When we talk about a reasonably attainable weight level as underweight, we are trivializing the efforts of people who legitimately have lost weight by putting their body through exercise and eating habits that other people are often unwilling to put their bodies through.

    I applaud people when they want to stop shaming, but it is foolish when they think of it as a simple issue. Supporting one thing is so intimately tied to shaming another thing, that it is no surprise to me that society is exactly like it is.

  • I am normal. and i love my body and i think i am attractive lol
    The only unattractive body iss the obese -___-

    • I also find #0 and #1 too thin, personally.

    • The boyish body has a certain bone structure.. so they can do nothing about it.. but yes the too thin and the obese are not healthy which is why I find them unattractive too.. but if they can't do anything about it (like for medical issues) then we can't blame them

    • Agreed.

  • I'm 93 pounds and everyone thinks I'm cute (;
    Just because you like something doesn't mean everyone else does.

  • Yeah #4 is definitely the average here in America.
    After seeing what some European girls posted on here, #3 would be considered chubby in their country.

    In any case, most skinny girls are skinny because of a naturally high metabolism. Now some of them do eat little, but that's not the case for all of them. My little cousin (9) eats as much as me, but she can't put on weight. She's not event that active. Her metabolism just does all the work for her.

    • I'm from Hungary, the average here is #4. And #5 is still not "fat", I don't know who came up with that. A 9 years old will definitely have a higher metabolism, that's how kids work.

  • Lol thank you Jesus im normal, the dude laying next to me bone I s poking My feet

  • a combination of 5 and 9 is the BEST!!!

    3 is slim npt curvy by the way

  • Your trolling right? 3 is not underweight at all.

    • by the way some people just dont get much boobage, like me. I got an ass but not much boobs. This is just because of how my body is. Some people no matter what weight , will keep having small breasts. My aunt is fat and she has a small chest.

    • I did say "3 is slightly underweight" but apparently that is the average. But still, 2 is underweight in contrast.

    • 2 to me looks completley normal and not underweight, I guess BMI 19-20, looks like she works out as well. 3 looks curvy and bmi around 22-23

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  • the BEST part about that is the HUGE jump in weight from 5 to 6. Like there's definitely at least 2 different size categories between those

    • Yeah. But the real question is, is #2 really the "normal" one? Because I think it is #4.

    • There's a range of weights that are 'normal' and I'd say that probably both 3 and 4 fit into 'normal'. Number 2 is probably bordering on what is technically underweight, and 5 is probably in the overweight category.

  • #3 is NOT underweight... I think that's Kim Kardashian and she's not underweight by any means, nor does she "barely have any boobs." 1 and 2 look unhealthy-thin, but 3# MOST definitely is NOT underweight.

    And just because something is average doesn't make it okay- the average US woman is 5'4", 165 pounds... that's overweight, but average.

    I understand that you like heavier women, but that doesn't make them healthier, either. Being too thin is unhealthy, as is carrying extra weight. It goes both ways, as does body shaming. You're so upset about chubbier women being body shamed, and yet, you're body shaming thinner women. Dafuq.

    • Well, yes, 165 lbs is overweight. That should be around ~142 lbs tops.

    • Ha. Okay. I was just telling you how average isn't necessarily healthy.

    • you should copypaste your comment over from Lumos

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