@btbc92 Nope, I'm a developed person, embryo is not, it's just a bunch of cells, nothing else.
@Jager66 There is no "dehumanization" because embryo is not a person, it's just a bunch of cells.
@Jager66 Nope, I'm a human, a developed and conscious person - unlike embryo, which is no more than a cluster of cells.
@Jager66 Cells are not humans, just like screws and bolts are not cars.
@Jager66 Embryo is not a sentient lifeform, it has no developed consciousness until the first trimester (abortions are performed before the first trimester) - so no, it's not a human, just like chicken egg is not a chicken.
@Jager66 Nope, lol, you're hilarious, they can't perform abortion after the first trimester unless woman's life is in danger (that's the law in most countries). You are totally indoctrinated by fairytales, created by some pedofile priests 😂😂😂Nah, hahaha, a fertilized egg is just a potential life, it's not a "stage of life" until/if the chicken is hatched, it can't be conscious before, you should learn some biology, instead of creationist bullshit 😁As I said, there is no "dehumanization", cause it's not a human, oh no, watch your butt dude, the reverend is right behind you 😜
@Ámayas_20 I agree, most abortions are actually preformed before that period. "Potential" means: Having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future. Of course, that is "if", just like chicken can hatch from an egg, if someone doesn't eat the egg.Anyway, you are right, later abortions shold be performed only in a case of serious medical issue.
@Jager66 LOOL, you never won dude, you are just rambling religious bullshit, and desperately trying to add quasi-philosophical crap in order to look a little bit less mentally backwarded, due to influence of clerical brainwashing, combined with priests molesting you when you were just a kid, hahaha, I kinda pity you 😜
@Jager66 Dude... you haven't "pwned" anyone. There is nothing for me to admit but the fact I have never met such an indoctrinated person on the GaG before you 😂Religion is your guide to stupidity, no need to mention quasi-philosophical nonsense, because it won't make you look like a smart person LOL, it's kinda obvious that you are totally religious, and brainwashed, so no... you're wrong again. But hey, maybe I can help you, I realize that you were very traumatised since early childhood, you should definitely use this product, it helped many young people who had the same problem like you did when you were a kid, perhaps it will cure your frustrations from the past ;)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEHUzNWnh5MIt really works, call now and you'll get a free duct tape, you can use it to glue your fingers whenever you get the urge to spam on answers of other people on the GaG, instead of answering the question to the person who actually asked it 😏
@Jager66 Nope, talking bullshit won't get you anywhere, except in a mental hospital, lol, it happens ;)Yeah, you are obviously religious, you have no facts, and you're definitely not rational about any issue, just saying.I haven't "conceded" anything, cause crap is not something I agree with 😂Nah, you're butt hurt and crazy and shit, that's why you have no answer of your own, and that's why you spam on answers of other people, you might want to look into that, man, you need heavy therapy 😂
Thank you for MHO, reality prevails against all religious indoctrinations 😎✌️
That "living baby with a soul" is just a clump of cells. It's not even conscious. Your cartoon is nonsense.
@MarketData Depends on when the abortion is done. Of course leave it to a man to think that as all he cares about is getting his dick wet and not worried about consequences because the girl can always get an abortion if your lame ass gets her pregnant, right?
Anti-abortion AND anti-male? I bet you are fun at parties.
@MarketData If it is a party celebrating a successful abortion leave me out. I want no part of murder.
@MarketData Mate, you yourself are a clump of cells. That's not an argument.
@ARTJAB At least I'm an independent clump of cells. I'm not leeching off someone else's nutrients.
@MarketData By that logic then it should be legal to kill people on welfare?
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I agree with you except for the "other" kinds of sex. Vaginal is the norm and any other is not normal. What are you suggesting?
@EclipseoftheHeart It's a fact that oral sex and anal sex are both better forms of contraception than vaginal sex. That's not an opinion. It's a fact. That's all I was saying. My opinion is that those are better, because sexually I suppose I'm a bit of a deviant. Adventurous, and it probably comes from my non-conformity, being counter mainstream, and from my aversion to having children. This is my theorisation as to why I'm into irregular sex.
While they already have their own natural consequences for abortion such as hormonal imbalances, health issues, death risk and cost. This is why I don't support sex being taken for granted and nope I'm not concerned about the fetus at all and I think it's stupid to make laws when they already have their own consequences. If I were a 10 year old girl getting pregnant, I'd take the death risk than to keep someone that ruins my childhood. I would be suicidal anyways.
I would like to thank other people who didn't downvote me. Thank you for not being so emotional.
Says the guy whose mother loved him and didn't abort him. Dude, really?
Becaused she planned me. I don't remember being a fetus so it doesn't matter to me if I'm aborted. Id be just like the rest of the sperm cells that didn't make it or die in my dad's balls.
Im just thankful that my mom planned me. What if i was unwanted. Do you think i won't end up like those malnourished, depressed, uneducated and suicidal kids who took their own lives? Chances are high. As a pro choice, i dont support abortion but i support choice. Suicide is a different story because suicide is about a born human taking away their lives.
And what about your mother shouldve aborted you for bashing on my point of view. You have yours, i have mine. Why you gonna be so butthurt?
You dont see pro choice trying to make laws for pro lifes and calling them evil for disagreeing with them.
What part of choice you dont understand? Do i have to give you a dictionary to comprehend what choice is? If the mother choses to keep her unwanted child, i dont mind mind because that's her choice. Also i dont mind if she aborts. What's the problem?
Yes and in all cases its killing a baby...The act states that "no person may take, possess, disturb, mutilate, destroy, cause to be destroyed, sell, offer for sale, transfer, molest or harass any marine sea turtle or its nests or eggs at any times.” Penalties for disturbing nesting sea turtles include jail time and fines up to $15,000 for each offense. Apr 28, 2018Penalties for destroying an eagle egg. The 1972 amendments increased civil penalties for violating provisions of the Act to a maximum fine of $5,000 or one year imprisonment with $10,000 or not more than two years in prison for a second conviction. Felony convictions carry a maximum fine of $250,000 or two years of imprisonment. Mar 4, 2019Now is an egg a turtle or a eagle, not yet; in the same way at conception a baby is baby (just needs to hatch).
@goodlongman You do understand those laws are in place to stop humans wiping out already endangered animal species? They aren't comparable to this situation. I don't like abortion, I don't see it as morally right however I do believe it's a necessary evil.Like it or not abortions will happen, making them illegal only leads to far more women having dangerous possibly fatal, backstreet/home abortions.
Below is some information... and what does this mean to you (will fewer people nations can only decline) Replacement rates: - Replacement fertility is the total fertility rate at which women give birth to enough babies to sustain population levels.If there were no mortality, the replacement level needs to be very close to 2:1 (2 clidren per every female) Of all the prosperous nations these 3 have 2:0 France has 2:1Greenland has 2:1Israel 3:1The High/middle standard of living countries are on a population decline some as low 1:2 (Singapore, Hong Kong and South Korea) The fastest growing are the Muslim nations Full report:data.worldbank.org/indicator/sp.dyn.tfrt.in
@goodlongman I really don't see why you've brought this up, I'm not saying people shouldn't have children. It's not surprising that muslim countries are the fastest growing birth control and abortion aren't really available to them as well as the huge amounts of rape, if anything that surely should convince you that a bunch of people having children for the sake of it or because there is no option is a bad thing. I don't understand what you're trying to say you bring up two things unrelated to the conversation I'm trying to related them but at least explain your points here.
Fist I hate abortion … it is the killing of a human being from conception on.Second, we in the Western world have diminishing birthrates and thus our societies are becoming smaller and smaller. This is a major reason for unrestricted immigration into Europe, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Our welfare societies cannot sustain themselves with fewer and fewer people paying into them. The muslim nations that I live in with fast growing populations have economic wealth that America has not seen since the baby boom years. When a society has large youth population that society is healthy.
@goodlongman You can see abortions that way and we do have smaller birth rates but making abortion illegal won't fix that because it won't stop abortions, birth control use, or people not having children. I really don't understand what you're trying to do here.
It's a baby with unique DNA and blood type...The act states that "no person may take, possess, disturb, mutilate, destroy, cause to be destroyed, sell, offer for sale, transfer, molest or harass any marine sea turtle or its nests or eggs at any times.” Penalties for disturbing nesting sea turtles include jail time and fines up to $15,000 for each offense. Apr 28, 2018Penalties for destroying an eagle egg. The 1972 amendments increased civil penalties for violating provisions of the Act to a maximum fine of $5,000 or one year imprisonment with $10,000 or not more than two years in prison for a second conviction. Felony convictions carry a maximum fine of $250,000 or two years of imprisonment. Mar 4, 2019Now is an egg a turtle or a eagle, not yet in the same way at conception a baby is baby (just needs to hatch).
@goodlongman so you want to dictate what people can or can't do in their own life, even if that person doesn't share your view or religion? If so people find it moral wrong to eat meat, to drink alcohol, not fasting for months, being in the same room with the opposite gender, having coffee, taking medicine, watching tv, wearing pants or even using electricity, I don't think at any time you should tell another person how to live their life according to different person morals, if you as an individual don't want live that way then don't
Todays laws in 8 states would allow them to have killed you even after you were born
Well you were lucky you weren't aborted. Funny how all these supporters of abortion are alive because someone didn't abort them.
I wouldn't know if I'd consider myself lucky
If you are alive you are lucky.
Between 1970 and 2015, CDC reports nearly 45.7 million legal induced abortions. Note that there is a large decrease in reported abortions between 1997 and 1998. This is because CDC's reporting areas were reduced from 52 in 1997 to 47 in 1998.
Don't kill the victim of rape… the baby is innocent
@goodlongman Except for the fact that it's inside her causing her pain and not worth it. Mothers don't care about the pain if they're after the baby which is not what the rape victim is not interested at. You can't force anyone to be interested at something they aren't otherwise they're gonna live their whole life being depressed and suicidal but hiding their emotions for people like you who would judge her for being evil to be depressed over a child.
Please do not have kids. When a guy uses you for a pump and dump or cheats on you, don't cry. "Because it’s okay."
You know that is a whole different story. She never said it's it's ok to cheat but she just said it's ok to abort. so if that is your idea then we shouldn't have sex because when the girl leaves us because she got all the money she wants is ok. See? let's all make different stories.
@Aiko_E_Lara That is not a different story it's the same. A child is still a child. It doesn't matter if its on purpose or by force you had sex. You end up with a child, you have to two choices, give the child up for adoption or raise the kid. And if the girl leaves you for the money, then yes, you shouldn't have sex. Its common SENSE. You don't open up your legs to somebody who isn't going to be there. Period.
Many rapes happen because it is legal to have premarital sex and these people feel entitled to sex, and you can't blame them for something society allows. Back then legal age for marriage was 13. Now people can't do that so they have sex, ruin their lives as it is, is judged for marrying young, yet you can't support yourself a legal adult either. That's why we have so many rape cases and divorce. They KNOW what they're doing and they're doing this deliberately.
You view that as a child but that doesn't mean we view it as a child. Science only said it is a living thing but it's people like you choose to believe they are human child. And it's not ok because you view that as a child? Not our perspective.
There are consequences for doing abortions such as death risk, hormonal imbalances and the cost which is why i don't support sex being taken for granted and we don't need prolife like you whining about their choices. Is common sense that they cannot talk, think and feel like humans do. Also common sense that you cannot remember what being a fetus is like. Go ask anyone remember being a fetus i bet nobody can answer that
@Aiko_E_Lara You make science your god. THEY lied to you. Life begins at conception, if not, we would not be able to procreate because it takes power to bring life into the world the same way that same power is used to destroy life. If that's the case, what are YOU? How do WE define your existence? Because science tells us who we are? It may not be your perspective but many of you learn it the hard way. Unless your not human to feel. Then I can believe that too. Many people out here are not human. Just have human skin and imitation.
@Aiko_E_Lara They can talk, they can feel. You people just choose NOT too. No different how you neglect your children emotionally because you assume all children are the same. That's why so many babies are PERCEPTIVE on who is good and who is bad. I actually remember being one in my mother. And my late mother remembers being in her mom's womb too. She even knew what the white house was before even being told what it was a baby. She said she already knew who my grandmother was, was her mommy.
They may not be able verbally speak. But if you listen. If you close your eyes and try to hear, you can hear their voice. Some people in the new age and witchcraft nonsense would call it a psychic connection. But it's intuitive and instinctual. A connection between mother and child. Most women cannot sense that anymore because they already screwed themselves up sexually and psychologically. The same way we connect sexually through oxytocin is the same chemical a mother and child make through skin contact, eye contact, voice, etc. It all forms in the womb. That's why babies are naturally attracted to females who make a lot of oxytocin because the bonding chemical wasn't tainted. That's women and girls who sleep around with many partners have a hard time bonding with their own children and emotionally neglect them and it becomes abuse. Just like our own pets can talk. Just because they don't speak English, that doesn't mean they don't understand what we're saying. They just can't always understand why we do the things we do or speak the way we speak. BUT they can know if we love them or not.
I actually remember voices being muffled. And now that I think about it, when my mother before she died, tell me that she and my father would always fight, he would make her feel like she was unworthy to be his wife. I remember that pain. The feeling of rejection. And I always wondered why I was always sick growing up. And I now know why. I embodied my mother's pain into my own body. In fact, the CDC even stated that 90% of all illness is emotion related.
And what about sperms then which millions of them died and they are considered as life forms? You know what, i believe God is not selfish to give as choice but leave God out of this because there is no evidence of what God really said but the data science over and over again which is common sense
All your reasons are subjective matters you know and yes you may have experienced something like that but that doesn't really apply to all people
@Aiko_E_Lara Yes, they are. They are indeed life forms, they are a part of you after all. But their sole purpose is to create a body. One that is fit to survive outside of the womb. It's not about evidence or putting God in the middle of it. He made things be the way it needs to be, but it's up to us as his creation to decide what we choose to do with that power. And that same power again, can create life or destroy life. You chose to destroy life. I chose to give life. Big difference.
They have minds of their own, but they are driven by a single purpose. And that is to form a new life with the egg. And the cells divide and create a blueprint of the new person. I remember hearing one of my uncles who is into astral projection and Indian religion that he was supposed to be born to my grandmother, but because of she miscarried, he was born to somebody else in the family. And I believe it's true. Some people are born with certain knowledge as I was.
You pro lifes want every kids to be born but not fed, educated, taken care of which becomes malnourished, depressed, suicidal and violent as long as it is born. last i checked earth has over 7.5 billion people polluting the world. You know it's people like you care about a fetus so much but they don't even have any official record like birth certificate, citizenship, social image, reputation and even a name and you want rights for a fetus? why do you think a fetus don't have any of those things i mentioned?
Yes they have minds of their own but they don't use it like developed humans do. Sperms have minds of their own. What's your point? we kill insects every time and it is considered a life form. We kill animals for food or to make spaces for humans to continue human civilization. If you don't want me to compare a fetus to animals because they are different then don't compare of fetus to a human child because they are different. Simple as that.
It's only subjective in your opinion because it would mean you would have to question your existence and everything around you. I accept it for what it is. Not reject it. The more you reject it the more it will hurt you at the end and other people around you. I am not pro-life. I am pro existence as God sees fit. It is within your power, again, to procreate and desolate. I would be fed, I wound educate, make sure they are nourished, not suicidal or violent. I would do whatever it takes to help and secure a person as I too have suffered. But that does not mean that I don't have the means financially. I would still follow God's purpose. And it is not up to me to decide who gets to live and who gets to die. If God wants that child to live they will live no matter how many abortions you try. They will live. He will protect them, especially if they have a high calling. It doesn't matter if they have a certificate or record of birth. They need to be born, they are still a human being. And who are you to complain? You never had the right to have a record, a name, reputation, etc. But you have it. It what you chose to make of it. I already knew what to name my children if I were to have them. I already acknowledge their existence within me. Even though I am a virgin, even though I am not pregnant, I sense their existence within me. The only problem is I would not want them born in the wrong circumstance, in this dirty world, with the wrong person as a father. That is the difference.
Actually, they are far more intelligent and science have proven that. Yes we kill insects but I respect their existence. Same with animals. I still respect their existence. But they are born for a reason. We have to eat and we can kill them. But certain animals we shouldn't touch. Even animals and insects have laws.
As do we.
Like what i said you cannot force anyone to be happy of what they accept which they aren't interested at. Your brain is not how everyones brain work. Now would it be evil to force people to have something they don't want in their life? I know God is not that evil.
I don't have t9 give anybody to believe in anything they don't want. It's choice. It's choice to hurt yourself and hurt another person. It doesn't mean others don't hurt. But truth is truth. Just because it's truth, it doesn't mean it's evil. But when he's telling you something evil, you have choice to still do it or stop. It doesn't mean it's not evil.
Truth is never pretty.
You accidentally stepped on an ant and yeah your respect the existant. if you're going to say that even animals and insects have laws, i don't know where you live and what culture is that but that's not what the entire world believes. Also i find justice in abortion such as being unwanted and causing the mother pain which is not worth it is a reason to abort it. It's called an eye for an eye. What pregnancy really means is the fetus can hurt the mother whenever it wants but the mother tolerates that because she loves it. However she don't find love on an unwanted fetus
Saying the truth doesn't really make you truthful or that is just your truth.
Because we also have our own truth. And yeah truth is never pretty right? you nailed it. You continue talking about something that has no evidence and bashed on science saying it's a lie. God created science for a reason.
@Aiko_E_Lara Then that is not a mother. That's the world is falling apart. That is why the world is full of evil, hate, and malice. Why people are apathetic, why there is a lack of intimacy, why people are selfish and dying. Because what you find to be justice. It called Wickedness. The fetus cannot hurt the mother. Parasites and foreign things do.
World is falling apart because it is filled with 7.5 billion people polluting the planet. The fact that you're calling as we can for that just means you can't stand the the truth. Ok we're wicked that is your opinion i can also say the same thing about you how do you like that?
You are just going to call me wicked just because you disagreed with me. You know what that means? you just hurt your pride
You can't pick and choose who to love, that is hypocrisy. A fetus is not a parasite. I have actual parasites and they are taking nourishment from me. That is not as a fetus does. The fetus has to adapt to what the mother can offer. If she has a bad pregnancy its usually parasitic infection or incompatible genetics. That's why some women can get pregnant and others cannot no matter how much they try.
Ohmygod just shut up and take this to the pm’s or some shit. Tired of getting notifications for this bs. I swear, it’s like the women on this app never stop arguing
Opinion Owner, you can actually stop notifications by not following.
In a fetus is not a human. As i explain that it cannot talk or think like actually born humans do. This is like clockwork. what you say doesn't really make you right. You don't have to agree with me as i don't have to agree with you. Also you cannot force anyone and choose to love at the same time because that is ironic. Being not interested of something is not a choice. You view it as an objective matter that everyone is the same that is why. Like abortion actually affects or harms other people. I'm not talking about the fetus because i got that is not other people. It has done nothing done nothing for the mother too
Opinion owner. Now let's see. I don't name call and force anyone to start an argument with me and i don't force anyone to have my point of view therefore i am not having their point of view. Simple as that. Go tell that someone who called people having that view as wicked, evil, pathetic or I don't know what else just for disagreeing with our point of view
I don't believe i'm going to hell for this but you know i respect your point of view and didn't god said to respect other people? you're just going to call me evil just because you disagree with me and i disagree with you and of course you did not realize how that sound.
Abortions in the case of rape is only 1 %. It's not that common. Most abortions are performed by teens and adults due to unwanted pregnancy (over 60 %)
@Aiko_E_Lara - Sorry but the baby is a unique individual at conception, with a unique DNA and in many cases a different blood type. If she does not want the child then she can give it up for adoption, but killing a child else for a crime committed by your father is wrong. But even with this said the trauma of rape almost never results in pregnancy. This is a red-herring argument of planned parenthood.
Here we go again this is like clockwork. Those are babies just because it is unique in your point of view. Even single cells are unique but millions of them gets discarded so? I'm just because it is 1 percent that it is caused by rape it doesn't mean that don't exist. What if majority of abortion is done by teens or accidents? That still doesn't make me change my view of a fetus however i am concerned about their health that is why i don't support sex being taken for granted because of their natural consequences and the costs so we don't need any more people to whine about them and try to put laws on it.
You don't see pro-choice trying to focus on pro life but vice versa and they're they are calling us wicked. It's freakin ironic
*force pro life
Kudos to you.
the same way humans treat each other so cruel.women or man. humans are cruel.
@Gothd011 Agreed, but abortion is particularly egregious because it is intentionally killing another human being for the sake of convenience. It is spun by supporters as bodily autonomy but what about the body of the helpless, unborn child?
There are MANY performed late. The stats on late term abortions are quite high.
@InTimoreDei Who cares
In 2015, 638,169 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. The abortion rate for 2015 was 11.8 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 188 abortions per 1,000 live births.Compared with 2014, the total number, rate, and ratio of reported abortions for 2015 decreased 2%. Additionally, from 2006 to 2015, the number, rate, and ratio of reported abortions decreased 24%, 26%, and 19%, respectively. In 2015, all three measures reached their lowest level for the entire period of analysis (2006—2015).Women in their twenties accounted for the majority of abortions in 2015 and throughout the period of analysis. The majority of abortions in 2015 took place early in gestation: 91.1% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (7.6%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (1.3%) were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation. In 2015, 24.6% of all abortions were early medical abortions (a non-surgical abortion at ≤8 weeks’ gestation). The percentage of abortions reported as early medical abortions increased 114% from 2006 to 2015, with an 8% increase from 2014 to 2015. Source: Abortion Surveillance — United States, 2015. MMWR Surveill Summ 2018;67(No. SS-13).
@goodlongman See what happened with the huge increase in medical abortions? That report is already 4 years old. In the medical field that´s a lot. Bet those increased even more since then.
@goodlongman was that supposed to change my mind? I still don’t give a fuck
You should try something other than your religion to convince people as that means nothing to anyone who doesn't follow your faith.
Yes it is a baby...The act states that "no person may take, possess, disturb, mutilate, destroy, cause to be destroyed, sell, offer for sale, transfer, molest or harass any marine sea turtle or its nests or eggs at any times.” Penalties for disturbing nesting sea turtles include jail time and fines up to $15,000 for each offense. Apr 28, 2018Penalties for destroying an eagle egg. The 1972 amendments increased civil penalties for violating provisions of the Act to a maximum fine of $5,000 or one year imprisonment with $10,000 or not more than two years in prison for a second conviction. Felony convictions carry a maximum fine of $250,000 or two years of imprisonment. Mar 4, 2019Now is an egg a turtle or a eagle, not yet in the same way at conception a baby is baby (just needs to hatch).
@goodlongman Except sea turtles are endangered, and Eagles were dying too until 5e law came out as well.You analogy doesn’t work because we don’t allow the destruction of their eggs for very different reasons.
Really, Don Rickles? Don't you have a celebrity roast to attend?
@EclipseoftheHeart That's my cue to get out of here.