you lost me at the porn part. How about "teach women they need to be physically available for their husbands if they want them to work hard and keep it in their pants", then maybe he'll turn the porn off.
@sixtyeightplusone Talk about missing the point! First, you REALLY should have continued reading past LINE ONE! I mean that entire thesis is about lifting men up, stopping the portrayal of men as incompetent, stupid, or unable to take care of their own children. For media and Hollywood to stop telling girls they don’t need a man to help them raise a family. To quite literally “stop shitting on men“. Yet after reading that, your take away was “why don’t you fuck your husband more“? Do you REALLY think that a woman who believes that men should be lifted up, valued, and honored… hell even praised for the massively important role they play, both in the home, and society at large would be the kind of person who wouldn’t have that same attitude in the bedroom? Moron! Look, you just keep right on sitting in front of the screen jerking off until you get carpal tunnel syndrome for all I care! You live your life the way you want, I will live my life the way I want. America… Freedom of choice isn’t it a beautiful thing!
@CrazyGirl2 that’s pretty much spot on.The entire message relating to it is very negative and it’s almost set to fail.
@ChrisMaster69 Thank you so much! It breaks my heart to see commercial after commercial, movie after movie TV show after TV show portraying dads who are incapable of taking care of their own children at all, let alone for even one day! Watching sitcoms where single moms are heralded as heroes, yet with married couples, the dad is always an idiotic buffoon who couldn’t make a grilled cheese for his kids without burning it, or a load of laundry without flooding the house! My mom and dad both work… A lot! Yet they always seemed to work it so one of them would be there for us! My dad is my hero! He not only taught me how to cook, he taught me how to build an engine! They worked together as a team to raise us, the strengths of one making up for the weaknesses of the other, the yin of one to the other’s yang! They’ve been married 25 years, and yet they still act like newlyweds! Not once did either of them ever set us down to give us lessons on how to be a good husband or a good wife… Their entire marriage was a master class on how to get it right! There is no doubt, that the single best thing any parents can do to help ensure their kids future success, is to stay married!
CrazyGirl2,I really liked your answer. It is mature and level-headed. Maybe you are not so crazy. Men are really confounded about what their place is in women's lives or even if they have one. Despite my age, I am really active and very sharp mentally. Yet I feel completely irrelevant to women. In fact, I feel invisible. I have recently become single again (not my choice) and I cannot even imagine how I might be in another relationship.Best wishes,~JSmith
@CrazyGirl2. Very well said.
I never really looked at it from your perspective like you said it but I definitely do agree with you that women have been inserting more power in their marriages. Women are becoming less and less tolerant of their husbands whether it's because of cheating, abuse, money issues or because they don't want commitment for whatever reason women are inserting more control over their marriages. Why do you think that is tho?
@Kajiac I think that would require an entire essay to explain. There are a large number of reasons for it. But the basic idea that should be understood is that in order for most marriages to be viewed with the importance which they used to be all kinds of social pressures need to be in play. I guess I didn’t answer the question which is what would need to happen for people to revive the sanctity of marriage. It will not be possible without some kind of major collapse or war, which will eventually come. In these times you tend to see a religious revival, people become more religious when under stress. You see a return of patriarchy as well, as offensive as this will be to feminists, simply because there’s a lot of violence and instability, and men are the ones who provide and protect in these times. Feminism only comes in the good times.
I get what you're saying but women don't feel like they need men anymore in fact it's looking like they feel equal or even greater than the men. I live in Houston (major city) and I know a ton a lesbians who would no way get with in man even I'd a war came. Women are not afraid to not comply in this day and age. It seems they've become/are becoming more stubborn than even men are known to be at this point
@Kajiac That's true. In today's society they don't need men to survive. They can work just like men, and there are all kinds of safety nets in place for women which there aren't for men, which is why 90% of the homeless are men. If war/collapse came, I think you'd be surprised at how many of those women would change their tune. The ones who didn't would likely be in trouble. What many people don't realise is that none of this is actually new. Feminism isn't new. Civilisations go through cycles, rise and fall. In the hard times they're usually patriarchal, and they rise in power under patriarchy. Then they reach a point of success where they decide that they no longer need patriarchy, they think that it's "out-dated" and they become feminist. Gradually the culture degenerates and weakens, although this might take a 100-200 years, then they either collapse as a result of internal anarchic revolution or they get invaded by a more patriarchal culture.A social anthropologist named J. D. Unwin wrote a book about this titled "Sex And Culture", where he studied the rise and fall of hundreds of past civilisations, and that was the exact pattern he noticed in every single one.
Patriarchy became too abusive and and the rise of feminism punished that. Women are too naturally wild to be kept as pets. My grandmother was for too many years. Once my grandfather died, her trauma from his "leadership" is abundantly clear to me.
@MzAsh Sure, there is no perfect system. Patriarchy is restrictive particularly for women, but feminist cultures are unsustainable also. Which is why the cycle repeats itself all throughout history.
I would also add that too many people are allowing their attention to be hacked, their minds fragmented and distracted, and they are not paying enough attention to the person literally right in front of them.The last thing people touch before going to sleep, and the first thing they touch in the morning is their phone instead of their partner. They need to detox from the distractions.
I agree again!
One of the few reasonable men on this site! ❤️
I'm with you how do we make that happen
@yofuknutz Well, it's the government's fault so I doubt it would ever change lol.
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Well said! And right, people keep acting like they know so much about marriage and relationships yet never been married or had a long committed relationship🤷🏼♀️ like the anon on here who said married prior don't have sex😂 Asked if he ever BEEN married, and of course no reply. 😂
I was a virgin before marriage. And I can guarantee you that I mad ethe right choice. To me marriage has always been sacred. This is one of the main reason why my marital life is successful. No argument, no name calling. Pure love.
@Милашка That's great
This answer here💯👍
Times were simpler
Love - like the kind Paul and Linda McCartney had...I must go back 50 years in time... back to when I was young and happy and full of love myself...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI6C7L66zq8
Thank you ☺️
Nother great answer.. And glad you found that special woman💛
It's hard for to people to live together and learn how to get along. We've had our ups and downs, but we are dedicated to our relationship. And she has been the most proactive. I've learned a lot about myself and become a better person because of her. I'm really lucky.
It's nice to see a husband appreciate his wife... 👍👍
@Brainsbeforebeauty. Are you kidding? Most husband's knock themselves dead trying to please their wives... until they finally give up.
Well then them men shouldn't get married and make promises they don't want to keep Problem is some men make those promises and break em even not being married So why even get in any relationship with someone at all then🤷🏼♀️
It's called "rationalization". Or, why not get into an open relationship where you don't have to "cheat". I think I've told you my theory about this before. Like the words of the song:"Take a glass of water, make it against the law, see how good the water tastes, when you can't have any more". The forbidden fruit always tastes better.My theory is - what if a woman told her soon to be husband " look, I know you're a man and at some point you're going to want to fuck someone else and cheat on me. It's going to happen. So when it does, don't lie to me or be sneaky about it, just don't your dare bring any diseases home. Just do it".Ok, besides blowing his mind, and whether she actually means it or not, I'd wager that taking the prohibition away would stick in his head and a lot of men would feel like "hey, I can do what I want, I'm empowered", and it would lose its attraction. I'd bet it would cut the male cheating percentage by at least 40%, maybe more, because that's how men's minds work. Now that I CAN have it, I don't want it, or I certainly don't want it as much. There will always be a percentage of guys who cheat, and nothing will change that. But as I said, I'd BET this would.
Why be in any relationship🤷🏼♀️
Don’t get married if you want to have sex with different women. Just know that those women are not going to be loyal to you either.
@MzAsh What about open marriages? What if both people want and agree to that? I believe when folks hear that, their impression is that it's a constant fuck fest by both parties. The open marriages I know of are not like that at al, but rather, the option exists. Obviously if you don't believe in it, it's easy to say "why bother getting married at all", right?
I don’t encourage open relationships.
@MzAsh By encourage, you mean you don't believe in them, correct? That's perfectly ok. Personally, I know of a few, as well as a few polyamorous relationships. Interestingly enough, the ones I know of have outlasted the average heterosexual marriage length in the USA by 2 to 1. Here's some stats. There's a lot to talk about rolled up in them, but just putting the numbers out:The average heterosexual marriage in the USA over the last 50 years lasts only 8 years. Between 40 and 50% end in divorce during that time, and just 70% last more than 10 years. The leading cause of divorce -- infidelity (28%) followed by money issues (22%). I cross checked several different legal, credit and statistic gather sources and there were some minor variances, but this is where they fall within the standard deviation.
Right! Cuz perfect people don't exist
Stop wives from using sex as a way to control men.
Remove having a reason for divorce (to avoid either side demonizing the other)
Right, so a woman who stays at home with children while the man works gets nothing, and just has to suffer with an abuse husband? That's why there is alimony and joint property.
@slatyb Thank you!!! Exactly!!
Sounds fair to me. The guys paying for your food your home your internet your activities and the kids as well. You basically have a free pass as a house wife or house husband, so of course they deserve nothing because they did nothing but take. Don't start with the being a parent is unpaid labor bs. You wanted kids and obviously the father is also being a parent and a worker 24/7 while the one that stays home has free time everyday the kids are at school. And about the kids there's still child support.
Definition. Abuse is the improper usage or treatment of a thing, often to unfairly or improperly gain benefit. Abuse can come in many forms, such as: physical or verbal maltreatment, injury, assault, violation, rape, unjust practices, crimes, or other types of aggression. By definition alimony is abuse. And don't give me that abuse shit nonsense. By definition a wife who doesn't what to sleep with her husband or uses it only as a reward could be treated as neglect and abuse. Both sides are easily capable of abuse its not a thing only associated with women.
You think caring for children and maintaining a home is a "free pass" ?
Did you say maintaining? Beyond cleaning men are the ones who maintain a home. Women do not fix things and the two hardest jobs of cleaning dishes and clothes are done by machine. Most Women do not cut the grass or maintain yards. They use the vacuum broom and a swiffer mop occasionally. Taking care of children? Have you seen modern parenting? https://youtu.be/_sY1jskkNWA
Modern parenting let your kid do whatever and have him be killed or get killed
Or kill others and then care about what they do
I'd say my husband could tell you that but sadly he can't. But even though he's fine he had someone there for him the 13 years he was sick to live him and care for him when he could no longer care for himself. That's just one benefit🤷🏼♀️
*gone not fine
@Brainsbeforebeauty I answered your question, but knowing your story, I wasn't speaking to you, or about you, and your love. Please do not take offense, as none was intended.I was speaking only, from my experience, and how could I say anything about anyone, but myself.Please, do not "read in" something that was never said or intended!
You may just be right there
I think so. Something taboo turns on many people
For once we might actually agree... Aww shit did hell just freeze over🥶😈 lololol
Damn Sam, we did!
Oh you betcha
But this younger generation is growing up not to believe in marriage at all christian or otherwise
I am not Christian myself this is why I was asking for clarification.☯️
Glad to hear it!
Sadly I think you may be right
That's the wedding.. That could be part of the problem.. Prior browning up thinking it's a fairytale and focusing on a magical fairytale wedding and not what a real marriage entails
*people growling up
Yeah probably a lot is probably to do with divorce being easy to get and no longer frowned upon and less religious views certainly in a lot of the west
What @Brainsbeforebeauty said.
Also, I think it's sad that you have to be religious to believe in marriage. (Even though I am.). But you're right, karaspara.
Oh I agree.. People put more thought effort time and too much money on the wedding they should be for the marriage
Totally agree. Truth. Example. 6 friend of my are/were married. 2 are still married.
Why I wish people would take example more from the successful marriages instead of butter divorced people
People tend to look at the negative side of things and that applys to marriage , too.
Sad but true
How do you know? Why does biblical marriage work so well?
@MzAsh Personal experience. What I’ve seen in my life. My girl studies psychology and works a clinical therapist. What’s written in the Bible in regards to relationships is a system that works from a structure of selflessness and a key issue within modern relationships is selfishness. The dynamic of head of house and submissiveness intertwines with our biology. Have you ever read the Bible?
I have read parts of the Bible. However, it doesn’t have a role in my marriage.
@MzAsh Marriage can be incredibly challenging at times, and having a set template on how to approach certain issues in an effective way might benefit yours. Even you being an atheist could benefit by reading the Bible without even believing in a higher power. That’s what got me started and it just turned into something else. It’s portrays a great set of values. Modern culture and the modern approach to marriage doesn’t work well considering the stats. Like I said before, it comes from a place of selfishness and a constant mindset of what’s in it for me. It’s also very easy to be influenced by culture. The Bible keeps me grounded personally. From what I’ve read, you hold contempt for Christians. We’re not all the same and there are a lot of Christians who don’t follow the Bible and instead judge and come across as snobbish. Those people are not living the way the Bible says. If you’re ever struggling maybe just give a shot to read it. 🤷🏻♂️
Or maybe I got you pegged for someone else. Might be confusing your username with another person. I don’t know forsure if you hold contempt towards Christians
It’s not that I disbelieve in a higher power. For me, a lot of it is the political and social ideals popularly held by Christianity that just doesn’t work for me. I've felt as if it tries to put women in a tiny box and I just don’t fit into it. I think there’s times to be selfless and times to know when you must put your needs first. I’ve had to learn that the hard way. There are a lot of people out there that will take advantage of people so selfless who don’t know when to value themselves or stick to boundaries they’ve created. Just a perspective from a former people pleaser.
@MzAsh Yeah I can agree to that. There’s a big political divide within the Christian community right now. I’d just say the entire country lol. All I’d say about taking advantage of is trust. If it’s reciprocated from both ends, it makes it easier. I know there’s a lot of asshole men that would take a woman’s submissiveness and kindness for granted. My sister is a people pleaser as well and has people take that for granted. I’m sure you have more experience than me though. I just know my relationship has been so much better since we’ve made this transition.
Thank you for being rational and understanding about this topic.
I agree here💯