I think it depends on the people. But I do think that the ones who don't use any form of protection and just start popping out babies right away have a more stressful life than those who plan their pregnancies.
It really depends on the couple. A lot of people are happier with children, others are happier without. Either way, I hope you have a happy and healthy marriage ☺️
Was much less complicated, that's for sure. A real kicker - life without marriage is MUCH happier. Poll everyone you know. You'll find that those who were never married or divorced are FAR less miserable than those who are still married.
It can be because you can do what you want without having to worry about children. If you want to go to a sex party, then you can without your kid's friend's parents judging you. The only people who will care are those at the sex party with you.
The problem is people still want to have natural sex but natural sex and children go hand in hand if you don’t want children you shouldn’t want sex either
@Sasha0426 because life is about people we are only able to survive because there are so many people with different talents personalities skills and abilities that allows humanity to evolve and progress I know nothing about electrical engineering I can’t maintain a power grid, I couldn’t have found a cure for measles or small pox , I know nothing about automotive industry I can’t build a car or engine life is about people we depend on each other
And it’s really creepy you’re so invested in people’s sex lives. Also, if you don’t know how to provide for society, what was the point of your parents having kids?
@Sasha0426 well I don’t know my parents actually well I don’t think it’s creepy seeing as how I’d most likely have to coexist with these people and I do what I can but I’m just saying I can’t do everything I need other people to live we all need each other actually
@Sasha0426 well that’s the exact opposite of the point I was trying to make it’s not about me the people who are able to have children yet refuse to only do so for selfish purposes and to avoid the responsibility of being a parent and it’s sad because they see parenthood as a burden and not an opportunity to grow as a person
@Sasha0426 let me ask you, Who else is going to do it? It’s completely mind boggling how so many women refuse to take pride in their womanhood men can’t give birth we will never be able to
@Sasha0426 how do you know it’s bad if you’ve never experienced it? Why would you rather kill yourself? I hope it’s not just because it’s hard children also give a new perspective on life
Then that’s proof I wouldn’t make a good parent. And I’m not going to go through that pregnancy shit. If you want kids, then you have to figure a way to birth kids through your dick.
@Sasha0426 no I love women but I’ve learned that I can’t just see them as a means to satisfy my carnal desires I wish I had a father to teach me but unfortunately I had to hurt several women before I realized what I was actually doing Andrew Tate taught me that women are the most precious things on the planet they should be protected and provided for especially by the men they give their wombs to
Andrew Tate doesn’t value women. He discourages women to protect themselves. There was videos of him beating and choking one of his partners. He’s a joke. I feel sorry for his mother.
Also, the only women you love is those who shoot babies out of their vaginas. You hate the ones who don’t and disrespect their decision. So, don’t say you love women when you’re going to be an asshole to women who chose to be child free.
@Sasha0426 I 100% respect the decision but I can’t help but pity them also because they are depriving themselves of the joys of motherhood It’s not all bad
Also did you see the video of the woman explaining what was happening in that video? It was roleplay but whether it was or wasn’t is irrelevant because the message he has for young men is very helpful Jordan Peterson said many men how by the way ( kill ourselves at 4 times greater than women go their entire lives without a single encouraging word say what you will about Tate but he is helping young men learn to love and value themselves what’s wrong with that?
Exactly what I’m saying. A lot women don’t find joy in motherhood, and that’s ok. I rather them have no kids than have kids they don’t want. I mean, wouldn’t you want them to be honest about themselves?
@Sasha0426 motherhood is about thankless self sacrifice women who fail to see the value in it are usually too selfish to see anything good from putting others before themselves
You don’t seem to understand that motherhood isn’t about the woman at all
That’s totally fine if you believe that. Because I’m going to live my life how I please. But, let me tell you something. Just because a woman has kids, doesn’t always mean she’ll be a good mother. I don’t know who raised you to think like this, but it needs to stop because it’s very disrespectful. You need to stop badgering women to birth babies and just shut the fuck up.
@Sasha0426 never said that I don’t know you the only Thing I can determine from what you’ve said is that you’re selfish for not wanting children im sorry if that upsets you
But women birth babies and they have to because they’re the only ones who can
It’s your life you can do as you wish but you not wanting to have children is selfish sorry if that upsets you
not having children doesn’t even give you the opportunity to be a good mother
The women through out history who opted out of bearing children have no legacy their lineage dies out they die being nothing with no one to mourn or Remember them “ The dead only truly die when they are forgotten” children supplant us and carry on our will and bloodline
Birthing children is the duty of all women who are able
@painusdeeanus actually, there is nothing MORE selfish than HAVING children which adds to the carbon footprint in damaging the world. Super selfish and self-absorbed for a person to think *their* DNA is this special thing that needs to be around in the future: it doesn't. Selflessness would be the opposite: sacrificing the biologically imprinted prime directive for the good of everyone else.
@zeitgeist057 well that’s a weak argument because if we stopped having children we wouldn’t need to preserve the earth any longer humanity would no longer have a future aren’t you aware that human history is filled with generations overcoming hardships that plagued the ones who came before them even though we may not solve the issues of climate change or world hunger in our lifetimes we owe it to the next generation to keep trying just because we don’t have answer doesn’t mean they won’t do you think that humans who discovered the brick and thought it was just the greatest invention of its time ( which it was ) would have ever thought that we could put a man on the moon? Of course they wouldn’t they would’ve called you crazy if you even said some shit like that
@Sasha0426 why wouldn’t you rather have humanity be fruitful and happy? It’s possible but it’s gonna require a lot of hard work starting with thinking of others and not just ourselves
@painus not really, there's over 7 billion people on the planet so not everyone needs to stop having children but if even 99% of people would stop having children there would still be heaps of people on the planet and they don't add anything having millions upon billions more. Who gives a shit about inventing a brick or putting someone on the moon? It's not important to anything other than humans, who get all crazy and kill each other about TV shows and which sports team put more round objects into the goal area during a timed period. Humans are ridiculous. I am aware of human history of humans bashing each other's heads in and stabbing each other and figuring out various ways to murder and enslave each other and it keeps going on and on. Human trafficking now just as much if not more than slavery in the past.
@PainusNdeeAnus I think nowadays because of how crazy things have gotten in the world it makes it scarier and inflation is awful but I know I still wanna become a mom within the next 5-6 years for sure:)
@Sasha0426 just know this guy is full of it. Women who choose to be mothers usually do so for selfish reasons, like they want to have a baby because they feel no one loves them but a baby will HAVE to love them because they are the mom. Or because they want to keep their relationship with their man, and the man is also selfish wanting a baby and it has to be HIS baby from HIS penis or he won't love it why? Because he is selfish and only cares about himself and his penis and his DNA. This BS you're getting fed by this guy is just more twisted selfishness that people try to fool themselves with pretending like they are wholesome when they're not.
@zeitgeist057 no you just think like a loser with a cup half empty mindset you think it better to save than it is to address the problem decreasing the population doesn’t solve the problem it only gurantees that future generation will suffer for it later procrastination is not a solution
@zeitgeist057 Oh, yeah. I agree. This guy just wants to make women feel bad and guilt trip them into getting pregnant because it will make him feel empowered. He wouldn’t make a good father either if he had two daughters. He would guilt trip them into having kids.
@Sasha0426 it's pretty obvious he's abusive and angry and doesn't give a shit about others with the way he talks to you and me. It's a delusion he wants to sustain about having children, but truly it's a self absorbed act to replicate yourself. @painus you're the loser here bub, you don't have an argument only name calling and BS about what you think I believe when you don't know a thing about me. Wake up you're wrong on all counts. State your own opinion stop acting like a little bitch trying to put words in my mouth.
@Jamie05rhs I didn’t even think it was a debate but a conversation that needs to had because it will only take one generation with that “ Having kids is selfish I want freedom mindset” For humans to be extinct what is the point of saving an earth with no one on it
@Jamie05rhs it’s not a few folks because these people are encouraging young people not to have children because it’s so terrible and hard which is really bad for us because they’re the only ones who can have children you know how many little girls think they can wait till 30 to have a family and the boys are completely opting out of dating have you been living under a rock the west is on the brink of destruction
Do you know who made TikTok ( the Chinese) but they don’t let their children watch it anymore than a few minutes a day and it’s only diy science projects and patriotic videos but in the west we let our kids watch nonsense 24/7 the number one job the youth in our culture wants is to be an influencer the number one job Chinese youth wants is to be an astronaut
Compare these two societies in a few decades it’s not looking good for us
@Jamie05rhs do you know anything about history? What happens to weak nations who lose their structure?
Several countries are making premarital sex illegal in some African countries it’s punishable by up to 5 years in prison
Japan is in a similar situation as us kodokushi numbers are skyrocketing because the young men over there don’t want to date and would rather play videos games and collect manga than approach women
It’s a big problem because it’s the people who are in their peak reproductive stages not wanting to have children 18 to 29
@PaninusNdeeAnus Yeah, so? No one cares how you feel. Just shut the fuck up already 🙄 You’re annoying as fuck. @Jamie05rhs I’ve already made tons of videos on TikTok and met awesome friends on there 😊
Nope. Happily married to a beautiful Chinese girl and we have one son together who is now 10 years old. 👍🙂
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Honestly, it's not really clear what the point is of marriage without children. If you're not going to have children there isn't much point in getting married--just keep dating exclusively if you want.
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Probably not. There are so many couples out there who couldn't have kids and are sad about it.
My wife and I are happy to have never had kids. Don't need the drama, responsibility or expense.
I think it depends on the people. But I do think that the ones who don't use any form of protection and just start popping out babies right away have a more stressful life than those who plan their pregnancies.
marriage is pointless without kids. and happiness is something within your control.
It really depends on the couple. A lot of people are happier with children, others are happier without. Either way, I hope you have a happy and healthy marriage ☺️
Was much less complicated, that's for sure.
A real kicker - life without marriage is MUCH happier.
Poll everyone you know. You'll find that those who were never married or divorced are FAR less miserable than those who are still married.
It can be because you can do what you want without having to worry about children. If you want to go to a sex party, then you can without your kid's friend's parents judging you. The only people who will care are those at the sex party with you.
No children force us to no longer be selfish they give us someone else to live for besides ourselves
which is why I can understand why people nowadays don’t want them selfishness is rampant in this current generation
What are you talking about? 😂 Selfishness was always a thing since humans evolved.
@Sasha0426 can’t evolve without children to supplant there is nothing more selfish than opting out of parenthood
Let me ask you this, should LITERALLY everyone have kids?
@Sasha0426 everyone can’t so the ones who can yet refuse to are doing humanity a great injustice
And that affects your life how…?
@Sasha0426 everyone who can should have children
The problem is people still want to have natural sex but natural sex and children go hand in hand if you don’t want children you shouldn’t want sex either
You know what you should do? Ask a married couple if they had sex yet.
@Sasha0426 because life is about people we are only able to survive because there are so many people with different talents personalities skills and abilities that allows humanity to evolve and progress I know nothing about electrical engineering I can’t maintain a power grid, I couldn’t have found a cure for measles or small pox , I know nothing about automotive industry I can’t build a car or engine
life is about people we depend on each other
@Sasha0426 a married couple? Or a husband his
wife?
Is your parents not a married couple?
And it’s really creepy you’re so invested in people’s sex lives. Also, if you don’t know how to provide for society, what was the point of your parents having kids?
@Sasha0426 well I don’t know my parents actually well I don’t think it’s creepy seeing as how I’d most likely have to coexist with these people and I do what I can but I’m just saying I can’t do everything I need other people to live we all need each other actually
You don’t think it’s creepy you want people to have sex for you in order to have women push a baby out of her vagina?
@Sasha0426 well that’s the exact opposite of the point I was trying to make it’s not about me the people who are able to have children yet refuse to only do so for selfish purposes and to avoid the responsibility of being a parent and it’s sad because they see parenthood as a burden and not an opportunity to grow as a person
So, you look at women as baby incubators?
@Sasha0426 let me ask you, Who else is going to do it? It’s completely mind boggling how so many women refuse to take pride in their womanhood men can’t give birth we will never be able to
I rather kill myself than go through that mess.
@Sasha0426 how do you know it’s bad if you’ve never experienced it? Why would you rather kill yourself? I hope it’s not just because it’s hard children also give a new perspective on life
Ok, I’ll have kids. But, if I don’t like parenting, I’m giving my kids up for adoption 🤷♀️
@Sasha0426 😂 what do you expect parenting to be like?
Then that’s proof I wouldn’t make a good parent. And I’m not going to go through that pregnancy shit. If you want kids, then you have to figure a way to birth kids through your dick.
@Sasha0426 that’s unfortunate but thank goodness there are women who don’t feel the same as you
If they want kids, that’s awesome. I’ll support their decision and I hope they make great mothers ☺️
But, you know what’s fucked up? You only seen women as incubators and not actual human beings with feelings.
I bet you even support pregnancy through rape.
@Sasha0426 no I love women but I’ve learned that I can’t just see them as a means to satisfy my carnal desires I wish I had a father to teach me but unfortunately I had to hurt several women before I realized what I was actually doing Andrew Tate taught me that women are the most precious things on the planet they should be protected and provided for especially by the men they give their wombs to
Andrew Tate doesn’t value women. He discourages women to protect themselves. There was videos of him beating and choking one of his partners. He’s a joke. I feel sorry for his mother.
I rather just die than “give my womb” to any guy.
Also, the only women you love is those who shoot babies out of their vaginas. You hate the ones who don’t and disrespect their decision. So, don’t say you love women when you’re going to be an asshole to women who chose to be child free.
@Sasha0426 I 100% respect the decision but I can’t help but pity them also because they are depriving themselves of the joys of motherhood
It’s not all bad
Also did you see the video of the woman explaining what was happening in that video? It was roleplay but whether it was or wasn’t is irrelevant because the message he has for young men is very helpful Jordan Peterson said many men how by the way ( kill ourselves at 4 times greater than women go their entire lives without a single encouraging word say what you will about Tate but he is helping young men learn to love and value themselves what’s wrong with that?
@Sasha0426 and most women as you put “ shoot babies out of their vaginas” so you’re saying I love most women
Exactly what I’m saying.
A lot women don’t find joy in motherhood, and that’s ok. I rather them have no kids than have kids they don’t want. I mean, wouldn’t you want them to be honest about themselves?
@Sasha0426 motherhood is about thankless self sacrifice women who fail to see the value in it are usually too selfish to see anything good from putting others before themselves
You don’t seem to understand that motherhood isn’t about the woman at all
So, because I don’t want kids, I’m not a good person?
That’s totally fine if you believe that. Because I’m going to live my life how I please. But, let me tell you something. Just because a woman has kids, doesn’t always mean she’ll be a good mother. I don’t know who raised you to think like this, but it needs to stop because it’s very disrespectful. You need to stop badgering women to birth babies and just shut the fuck up.
@Sasha0426 never said that I don’t know you the only Thing I can determine from what you’ve said is that you’re selfish for not wanting children im sorry if that upsets you
But women birth babies and they have to because they’re the only ones who can
It’s your life you can do as you wish but you not wanting to have children is selfish sorry if that upsets you
not having children doesn’t even give you the opportunity to be a good mother
The women through out history who opted out of bearing children have no legacy their lineage dies out they die being nothing with no one to mourn or Remember them “ The dead only truly die when they are forgotten” children supplant us and carry on our will and bloodline
Birthing children is the duty of all women who are able
FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!! You’re a fucking piece of shit 🖕
People like you should have aborted.
If I’m so bad, then wish death upon me. One less “selfish” woman to worry about.
@painusdeeanus actually, there is nothing MORE selfish than HAVING children which adds to the carbon footprint in damaging the world. Super selfish and self-absorbed for a person to think *their* DNA is this special thing that needs to be around in the future: it doesn't.
Selflessness would be the opposite: sacrificing the biologically imprinted prime directive for the good of everyone else.
@Sasha0426 your mother didn’t wish death on you she had you. If she didn’t you wouldn’t be here
Too bad she did have me.
@zeitgeist057 well that’s a weak argument because if we stopped having children we wouldn’t need to preserve the earth any longer humanity would no longer have a future aren’t you aware that human history is filled with generations overcoming hardships that plagued the ones who came before them even though we may not solve the issues of climate change or world hunger in our lifetimes we owe it to the next generation to keep trying just because we don’t have answer doesn’t mean they won’t do you think that humans who discovered the brick and thought it was just the greatest invention of its time ( which it was ) would have ever thought that we could put a man on the moon? Of course they wouldn’t they would’ve called you crazy if you even said some shit like that
I wish humans would disappear.
@Sasha0426 why wouldn’t you rather have humanity be fruitful and happy? It’s possible but it’s gonna require a lot of hard work starting with thinking of others and not just ourselves
Because humans have made this planet unbearable to live on. It’s better if we all just perished.
@Sasha0426 No that’s the wrong attitude to have stop thinking like a loser you’re better than that
You think I’m a loser anyway because I chose not to bear children. So what the hell do you care? 🤷♀️
@Sasha0426 no I don’t your value as a person isn’t defined by whether or not you have children and it doesn’t make you any less of a woman
But your thinking so negative such a defeated mindset with so much life still ahead of you is a sad state to be in
@painus not really, there's over 7 billion people on the planet so not everyone needs to stop having children but if even 99% of people would stop having children there would still be heaps of people on the planet and they don't add anything having millions upon billions more. Who gives a shit about inventing a brick or putting someone on the moon? It's not important to anything other than humans, who get all crazy and kill each other about TV shows and which sports team put more round objects into the goal area during a timed period. Humans are ridiculous. I am aware of human history of humans bashing each other's heads in and stabbing each other and figuring out various ways to murder and enslave each other and it keeps going on and on. Human trafficking now just as much if not more than slavery in the past.
Here is human history summed up in a 3 minute cartoon: https://youtu.be/9x7FGbW3IVc
@PainusNdeeAnus I think nowadays because of how crazy things have gotten in the world it makes it scarier and inflation is awful but I know I still wanna become a mom within the next 5-6 years for sure:)
@Sasha0426 just know this guy is full of it. Women who choose to be mothers usually do so for selfish reasons, like they want to have a baby because they feel no one loves them but a baby will HAVE to love them because they are the mom. Or because they want to keep their relationship with their man, and the man is also selfish wanting a baby and it has to be HIS baby from HIS penis or he won't love it why? Because he is selfish and only cares about himself and his penis and his DNA. This BS you're getting fed by this guy is just more twisted selfishness that people try to fool themselves with pretending like they are wholesome when they're not.
@zeitgeist057 no you just think like a loser with a cup half empty mindset you think it better to save than it is to address the problem decreasing the population doesn’t solve the problem it only gurantees that future generation will suffer for it later procrastination is not a solution
@zeitgeist057 if everyone thought like you we would still be living in caves
@zeitgeist057 Oh, yeah. I agree. This guy just wants to make women feel bad and guilt trip them into getting pregnant because it will make him feel empowered. He wouldn’t make a good father either if he had two daughters. He would guilt trip them into having kids.
@Sasha0426 it's pretty obvious he's abusive and angry and doesn't give a shit about others with the way he talks to you and me. It's a delusion he wants to sustain about having children, but truly it's a self absorbed act to replicate yourself.
@painus you're the loser here bub, you don't have an argument only name calling and BS about what you think I believe when you don't know a thing about me. Wake up you're wrong on all counts. State your own opinion stop acting like a little bitch trying to put words in my mouth.
@zeitgeist057 okay.
I thought you guys were having a good debate. There was really no need to make it personal.
@Jamie05rhs I didn’t even think it was a debate but a conversation that needs to had because it will only take one generation with that “ Having kids is selfish I want freedom mindset” For humans to be extinct what is the point of saving an earth with no one on it
Lmao. You really think humanity is going to die out just because a few folks don't reproduce? Come on, man.
@Jamie05rhs it’s not a few folks because these people are encouraging young people not to have children because it’s so terrible and hard which is really bad for us because they’re the only ones who can have children you know how many little girls think they can wait till 30 to have a family and the boys are completely opting out of dating have you been living under a rock the west is on the brink of destruction
Do you know who made TikTok ( the Chinese) but they don’t let their children watch it anymore than a few minutes a day and it’s only diy science projects and patriotic videos but in the west we let our kids watch nonsense 24/7 the number one job the youth in our culture wants is to be an influencer the number one job Chinese youth wants is to be an astronaut
Compare these two societies in a few decades it’s not looking good for us
@PainusNDeeAnus. That's a cultural problem. It only applies to the West. The people in the Third World countries are still having plenty of babies.
And I agree with you regarding TikTok.
I like TikTok. It’s fun 😁
@Sasha0426 The Chinese government is using that app to spy on you. I would recommend transitioning to something else.
@Jamie05rhs do you know anything about history? What happens to weak nations who lose their structure?
Several countries are making premarital sex illegal in some African countries it’s punishable by up to 5 years in prison
Japan is in a similar situation as us kodokushi numbers are skyrocketing because the young men over there don’t want to date and would rather play videos games and collect manga than approach women
It’s a big problem because it’s the people who are in their peak reproductive stages not wanting to have children 18 to 29
@PainusNDeeAnus Oh, I know. But thats why they're trying to fix those numbers with massive immigration.
But we're not talking about individual nations. The discussion being had here was the population of the entire planet.
@Jamie05rhs only because climate is the dumbest excuse people have for not wanting kids
@PaninusNdeeAnus Yeah, so? No one cares how you feel. Just shut the fuck up already 🙄 You’re annoying as fuck.
@Jamie05rhs I’ve already made tons of videos on TikTok and met awesome friends on there 😊
@Sasha0426 and how is your marriage and children going?😂
@PainusNdeeAnus I’m married and have kids? When did this happen? 😱
Yes, and if you are both child-free that does give you lot more options to do things. Including monetary reasons.
Marriage without children is fruitless, and why marry someone who don't want children?
Yes i believe so i also don't want children this world is a dark cold cruel place i don't want to bring my children in this worthless world to suffer
i know people who are married and do not have kids. They seem to enjoy being able to travel and have nice cars.
Children are wonderful, but I don't know how you can afford them with a retarded president like Biden.
@Subarugirl
How is that any of your business?
@Subarugirl
I'm guessing you voted for him.
No, the purpose of marriage is precisely to have children.
Ehhh wrong
Nope. Happily married to a beautiful Chinese girl and we have one son together who is now 10 years old. 👍🙂
Honestly, it's not really clear what the point is of marriage without children. If you're not going to have children there isn't much point in getting married--just keep dating exclusively if you want.
Depends on what you want, kids can be fun but stressful but not having kids opens up your relationship to travel and can feel more like an adventure
The whole purpose of marriage is to start a family.
I don't think marriage will make somone happy.
Happy starts with you and God, not another person.
It would be, if either or both of the spouses didn't want children.
Why get married if you are not going to have children? This just seems like a female retirement plan.