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Yes, Feminist do complain about Manspeading, Mansplaing and on and on. Everydayfeminism has all the details on SIX micro-aggressions.
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So you defend the movement and you refuse to address the extremists?
So basically, you're this type of feminist:
https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/a8jDQZe_700b.jpg
They're USING the movement, so by defending the movement, you're defending them indirectly.
If you won't bug bomb your house to get rid of the roaches, don't be surprised if no one wants to go in
You think I don't address them I didn't want to address them in this mytake because you know there a bigger issue on this site about people being idiots about feminism then the so call extremists you guys are talking about.
Rationalize it how you want
The people, both on this site and in society (showing as to how feminism is at an all time low in membership) have spoken. It doesn't matter if all feminists are garbage. Too many are and the one thing they all have in common is the movement they ALL follow
A common theme in your Take is to say "talk to every single one and then form an opinion," which is ludicrous since you can't even say all humans are born with legs or arms. No one ever says all. Anyone who does is intellectually challenged.
You say a lot "don't make assumptions. They make you look stupid," yet you seem to do it yourself by automatically believing they say "all"
Logic and Statistics 101: Unless a clarifier word is used, the implied term is "in general." assuming anything else is bad logic
Overall with your logic, you're saying don't say the house is infested with roaches if every single inch of the floor doesn't have a roach on it
Excuse have you seen these comments in general t hey all saying all (all the feminist haters) so don't say they not. I love people defending their bullshit logic by claiming my logic has hole in it.
You tell people to "talk to every feminist" before they form an opinion. That's terrible fucking logic. They don't judge the person. They judge the movement
All saying all? Bullshit and a generalization. Ironic, huh?
My logic is bullshit? Yet you've done not a thing to address it, just like those extremists. When you start making attacks, you've run out of logic. Calling my logic bullshit doesn't automatically make it bullshit. HOW is it bullshit?
So let me get this straight so its perfectly ok to judge me and make assumptions like you people are on this comment and its not ok to tell you don't judge me because I'm a feminist? wow ok. With that type of logic might as well support hate speech.
Strawman much?
Read what you say and think about it. "Talk to every feminist."
Not only is this impossible, but it's not required. You can say "humans are born with legs." Are ALL humans born with legs? No, but enough are to where you can safely say humans are born with legs
This same thing goes for anything. You don't have to have 100% unanimous to have an opinion. If enough feminists are man-hating superiority advocates, that stains the whole movement. If you're part of that movement and you defend that movement, BY PROXY you're defending the extremists, especially if you won't address them, which so many moderates don't do.
No one's judging you simply because you're a feminist. You're getting judged because of this take (more specifically the last point).
If you defend the movement and won't call out the bullshit IN THAT MOVEMENT, you're indirectly defending that bullshit
My only question is to why even label yourself as feminist in the first place?
Just label yourself as a human; a normal person like everyone else. You don't have to keep on broadcasting it to people, or even label yourself anything.
People who defend animals, or cars, or houses, or whatever don't label themselves anything. They just live normally, and have a set of values and beliefs, that's it.
"Stop labelling yourself, and other will stop labelling you"
First of all I broadcast it a lot but I'm but ashamed to say it why should I be ashamed of being a feminist? before extremists no one had issues with it until extremists came. Plus I'm not scare what happen have to say to me about feminism and I feel like if you afraid to stand up for what you believe it that just means you letting them win. I'm not going let people belittle me where I change my views because they scare me or punk me into.
I don't broadcast it a lot*
what other have to say*
to where*
into changing my views*
jeez, type slower!!
It's not a thing of being ashamed or not. Of course you shouldn't be ashamed, but do you need a label to define your views and opinions? Because when you put a label on yourself, that's what you become: a label for something, instead of you. If the label changes its meaning, so will you, because people won't remember your beliefs, they will only remember your label.
You are not letting anyone win. It is not a competition, it is life, and it is always changing: people change it... mostly anonymously... through generations.
By the way, if you haven't noticed, the definition has already changed... whether you like it or not, the perception of society has changed towards that label.
Again, "it is life, and it is always changing"
Well just because you have a problem with labels I don't and I just didn't see my errors so I re-corrected myself nothing with that. If I choose to support a movement, I will. I don't appreciate people like you who always ask us feminists why call yourself that when you call yourself this, this or this. But what you said its a new one. There nothing wrong with me calling myself a feminist so I don't know why it bothers you that I do.
No just you people who have something against feminism is changing the definition or the extremists. Not the real feminists, we not changing what we believe in.
That is what I was saying before. The individual beliefs and values have not changed, but as a group, the label has changed, causing people to perceive you differently. That is the problem with labels.
And "us people", you mean society which is overall sick of it, because of the actions of few. Society didn't change the definition, extremists changed it themselves.
And I don't have a problem with labels myself, what I said before was just stating the reality of a label, and its consequences of the change not representing all the people involved in it.
And yes, I also apply labels to myself.
And I'm not hating feminism. Yet.
Ok if you know extremists change the delineation and are not real feminists then don't think their definitions is the real definition. When its not and funny people just want to bash feminism because of the extremists then why are you guys not taking action against them? because here in my country their speech probably can fall under hate speech and can get in trouble for it. All the haters of feminism just want to talk shit but don't do anything about the extremists. I don't have to deal with extremists because people who hate on feminists I feel the urge to not help with the extremists so yeah.
The extremists speech falls into freedom of speech, and can't be banned just like that...
It's also not the society responsibility to take action into it, (since society already ignores them). If it puts to shame the beliefs of the group they label themselves with, then it has to be the group to take action against them. (remember, society already ignores them, and as a consequence, ignores the group)
That's the problem with belonging to a group. Other group member's actions define the group you belong to, and ultimately, will define yourself, because it is not about what you are, it is about what others perceive of you: you can have the best intentions to do something, but then you show it wrong to others, and their perception of you is ruined. That's what happens with extremists of a group. You can have the best intentions, and actually show it right, but the label with stick around.
I'm not saying you should stop being a feminist, but you should think about what makes you different than the rest of people that don't belong to that group. If you find yourself in a place, where your values are already the same as everyone else, then you should rethink why you're in the group after all. Food for thought.
That is a lie clearly the extremists are getting to people where people online feel the need to bash on feminists so clearly they left a scar. Sorry but I think someone who can't see through the bullshit I don't want them in my life anyway.
See I'm trying to take your comments in but I just feel like your just trying to spur shit about feminism too. I have self security about who I am I don't have to question my beliefs because of a few idiots in the group so save it. It just seems like you trying to make feminists turn away.
Or you just like the rest of the haters and quite frankly if you people going to spur your shit at lease get it right.
Oh I know what it sounded like. It sounded like I wanted to disintegrate the group one member at a time, right? So that the members would only act on their minds, and not as a whole, and without the strength of the group. Yes, I know it sounded like that.
Although it did sound like that, I still think I made valid points about the group/label thingy.
Well fine but people should think for themselves and not what people are spurring on the internet. Please provide evidence that feminism ruin America? or anything recent that feminism fuck up because I don't see how people can claim feminism ruin the family no there other factors in why a family got ruin not feminism.
Or feminism ruin the modern men? did extremists actually got laws in place that negative impacts people? at lease show evidence of this to people who likes to bash on feminism.
I cannot provide you with evidence of course. Some of those changes happen as a whole in society, it is very hard and close to impossible to defined the root causes of major changes that happen along time. To be precise, everything around us contributes to those changes without exception.
I can't say that feminism has changed society for the worse, or that it has impacted USA in a negative way. It certainly had a contribution to some changes that happened mentally in the society, some for better, some for worse, as stated in other myTakes (that I don't remember now).
About ruining the modern man, it certainly had its impact. A lot of things changed (like always), and feminism had its part in it, alongside economic needs and demands from the modern families. I can't give you an example of one family that was ruined by feminism, but I'm sure you know it has had its impact on families (mostly an indirect impact, not necessarily better or worse, mostly tradeoffs).
Personally I don't blame feminism I blame the economy because women and men now have to work way more just support their children. Prices and cost of living is going up plus education prices and this and that. Its not wonder families get stress about money and might end up in divorce or end up struggling for the rest of their lives unhappy blaming each other when really its the economy
Bullshit. I never identified as a feminist bit since joining this site I have been labelled time and time again as a feminist or feminazi for defending those trying to stand up for women's rights. My support of women's rights has no impact on my support of mens rights. People will always label you, it makes it easier for them to dismiss your opinions when they assume they know all about you.
@TakeMaker thank you girl but then again if you see the men on this site you realize most of them are dicks to women.
Yes, the economy, has demanded the need for working families, and feminism promoted the work for women, and improved the conditions of existing ones. That went alongside with the economy shift, so it had a partial influence (a good one). Of course from then on, the traditional family support changed as well, and children grew up differently. Those changes have happened countless times through history, sometimes in circles due to wars.
And the woman also working, enabled more income to the household, which is always good to have some room to breathe in the life of a couple
About the divorce, I wasn't even going on that direction. Disagreements, cheating and separations have always happened before. Often between "famous" people, and it was just a matter of time until everyone got used to it. Paired to it was the violence, which is where I think feminism had a more important role in exposing that stuff, which has been frowned upon from a few centuries back, but sometimes hard to
confirm what happened behind closed doors.
@TakeMaker now imagine if you did in fact identifies yourself as one...
Well people bring up divorce and blame feminism for letting the woman getting way more in the divorce settlements even thou courts are always one sided. There are cases where women lost full custodial rights for her children to her ex husband but they don't why know the truth they just want to blame feminism for that shit.
I guess they blame feminism for not taking part into the bias.
I am not against woman rights but some feminist are stupid and they present crazy things as evidence,
I think feminist need to read this text before presenting any evidence,
"Human Physiology: From Cells To Systems"
Well hopefully you mean the stupid feminists needs to read that book.
Yes, I should have "Bold" it.
K then.
Four things you should stop saying about feminism:
1. They fight for men's rights.
2. Feminism is still needed in the western world.
3. It is not a sexist moment now.
4. Men benefit from feminism.
There is my list of four things. I kinda like my list better.
The hidden agenda of feminism is to destroy the family and divide en and women. Any woman who calls herself a feminist, avoid her like the plague. Feminism is a cancer to relationships and has nothing to do with equality. It's a hateful cult of angry women who have nothing better to do than whine and complain.
I love that claim please provide evidence that there feminists who are destroying the family? don't bring divorce into it because courts are always going to on one person side over things the couple owns.
yes but its women who win in divorce and women who file for divorce. NOW (National Organization of Women) actively campaigned for women to get full custody of children regardless of how able the father was, and in fact where succcessfull. Feminism pushed for women to get the right to choose mother hood and also pushed for the right for women to choose father hood for the man. A woman can abort a child abandon a child (thanks to safe haven laws) and even give a child up for adoption all without the fathers consent or knowledge all of which was fought for by feminist. Feminist also fought for men having to pay child support, while it was wrong to force parenthood on a woman it apparently according to feminist was not wrong to do so to a man. As for your evidence: www.experienceproject.com/.../1269918
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The evidence is based on what feminists say, how they attack marriage and family, and how the rise of feminism also led to the decline of the family unit.
@hellionthesage there are some lines where a woman can't keep her kids like in Canada if you going to trial for a serious crime (murder whatever) you have your kids taken away. Since a little boy died because of that. Some women lose their kids due to drug addictions or the man just makes more money then her. So no not all women keeps their kids. But regardless some laws are one sided and that is a issue that needs to be changed.
feminism is about female superiority and has been for sixty years. its a political organization that actively lobbies for extra rights for women. women currently have more legal rights then men.
You know what young girls need to stop saying about feminism?
That the actions of feminists over the last 40 years, DOESN'T MATTER.
"I am here now, and I'm telling you all, the dictionary says this, and I'm a feminist!"
Kids... You might as well try to define National Socialism and tell us all you're not Nazis.
Feminism is:
1. Something clearly no longer needed in the Western world, unless you start fighting for men's rights, too
2. i have seen no evidence anymore of anyone campaigning for men's rights. Rape statistics, divorce settlements, like seriously wtf. Jail times
3. You're not sorry about the extreme feminists, therefore you indirectly encourage the idea. Congratulations, you're a feminazi.
Also I advise u to look at Mr. Fearless Banana's opinion, truly compelling
1. There are women who are fighting for men rights its not like your trying to find them and talk to them.
2. why should I be sorry seriously why should I? if people going to bash a group because of extremists then I do care for your feelings if you just going to judge me and think you me when you don't.
3. Funny because I bet any money you want feminists to fight for women to keep their abortion and birth control rights in America soon. Since someone has to stand up for that shit so yes feminism is still needed in the western world. If you think about it can get corrupted any second. First world countries are still not prefect.
don't*
1. I shouldn't have to TRY and find them, they should be just as if not more common than female rights advocates. Alas, they are not.
2. I don't understand what u just said, wtf language
3. I don't know what you're implying but abortion is legal and I'm completely fine with that, and it is for the rights of all people, not just women, it's considered for the baby, too. I invite you to once again, check out Mr. Banana's opinion because I feel like you'd have a hell of a time trying to refute that. Feminism has always and always focused mainly if not always on women. Why don't you focus on Afghanistan, where a woman tried to burn herself to death because her husband threatened to frame her for his own murder if she left him? Women aren't allowed to ride buses or ride bikes on their own in these questions. Boo hoo your fucking "women's rights" here in the States, these ladies can't leave the house without male accompaniment.
You know what you can't accept there are feminists doing shit then live in your bubble.
Wtf r these feminists doing? What more RIGHTS could they ask for?
WHERE are the male advocates? Nowhere
I don't know maybe a simple google search would help your ass find the feminist that support men rights? You are just busy looking at the extremists that actually see the true feminists and really? what's next are you going to say certain groups don't need human rights groups to support them? there always be a need for support each group so don't say feminism is not needed. I never denied that feminism in United States is focused more on women.
Lololololol
Where's the need for women's rights, please tell me. Abortion is legal
there are none, they are all ridiculed. Legitimately. I also once again refer you to the banana
Funny you bitch at feminists not doing enough for men but what are you doing? your not doing anything and there are 16 years olds getting out there supports certain people or groups and campaigning so what's your excuse for your bullshit? if you care so much and not going to google or believe others that there are feminists that support men's right you better be fucking supporting men then if not then why are you talking?
In america they trying to get rid of legal abortion and birth control again if you going to spur shit at lease google it to see if your right.
I'm not doing anything because i can't do anything. If I got somewhere and held up a sign or some shit like that, I'd be ridiculed or ignored. Look it up, happens all the fucking time. Not to mention equal rights isn't my main issue with the world and anyone who things human rights violations are the number one issue in the world is a grade A retard. Also, I don't have the time or energy for that. But, it pisses me off when feminists are pissed off and try to strike back.
No I know they're TRYING to get rid of it, you should be going after the idiotic fucking Christian idiots that spurred this not anti-feminists.
If you really care about men's right you would be counter claiming extremists but since all you doing is bashing all feminists and not doing shit then this is why I don't feel sorry when extremists get under your nerves because the shit people like you say. It makes me laugh how a extremists can say things to piss you off.
Plus if these people do make moves on banning abortions and birth control feminists will defend women's and men rights to birth control and women's right to abortions.
If I cared enough about men's rights I would start a campaign for it, but I don't have the time. Extremists spout lies and demote men in a PC society. Extremist feminists are the worst type of people and if this is your argument as to why men's rights don't matter then it's a poor one.
Yes, but for now they're just talking, it's not going to be against the law
Of course they are the worst type of people you judging all feminists and thinking we all the same is stupid too its like claiming all Mexicans are illegally, all whites are racist. You can't claim this if you haven't met each feminist.
Lol the "worst type of people" judging folks like you who feel as though the only oppressed gender is females, the more powerful one
By agreeing to be a part of this institution, the name itself implies its goals. To empower women and women only. Just look at it
To think you were a cool guy on here but clearly you just dumb. If anything you hypocrite your judging me saying I judge people damn right I do and I judge if you say stupid shit. Stop acting like feminism is only empowering women because you don't know anything. you don't bother to look up feminists that try to make a different all you want to do is bitch about extremists but then try to group us into one group. Aren't you being judgmental because you assumptions of feminists when you don't even know what your talking about? I rest my case.
Actually, we do know what we are talking about! Let me introduce you to Erin Pizzey. She set up the world's first refuge for battered women in 1971 - and went on to establish an international movement for victims of domestic violence.
From the Article in in the URL...
"Feminism, I realised, was a lie. Women and men are both capable of extraordinary cruelty. Indeed, the only thing a child really needs - two biological parents under one roof - was being undermined by the very ideology which claimed to speak up for women's rights. This country is now on the brink of serious moral collapse. We must stop demonising men and start healing the rift that feminism has created between men and women.
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...ely-destroy-family.html
And here is a video with Erin Pizzey. In 1971, she observed the true, dark, beginnings of Feminism in England
- Feminist movement is a marxist movement
- Feminist are saying...
Men are Shit
All Men are Bastards
All Men are Rapists
https://youtu.be/IO44_1-5vTA?t=3m30s
Lol because I don't know anything? Ha ha har dee har har. How can I not group you as one when you refuse to even criticize extremists, therefore raising them to your level! You are one with the feminazis! Congrats!
Look, I can agree with the first 3 points.
However, point 4 is what we call a "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
Sure the "Feminazis" may not truly reflect what feminism is about, but they are still Feminists - a "darker" version of Feminism, if you will.
Very well but calling every feminist crap like them and make assumptions we doing the same shit its over dramatic just look at the people who trying to tell me I condone the extremists because I don't say anything to them. When this mytake is towards people like them.
You know when you tell a joke and have to explain it, that means the joke wasn't good. So if you constantly have to explain feminism then...
In my country there is no feminist movement and men get along with women a lot better than what I've seen in the US.
Apparently Americans are never happy with what they have even though they have a better lives then many other people in other countries.
Didn't you feminist shut down a conference for men and boys in Canada? Hmmm actions speak louder than words.
Since when did that happen I never heard of that evidence of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka8AodgFcAg
They did, they also protested one that was about male suicide which happens to be 75% of all suicides.
@hellionthesage You do realize that not every single feminist is doing this right? and you have no proof that every feminist is doing shit like this. I"m done talking to you people since you clearly are just dicks wanted to just bash people for their views I"m not going to listen if you people can't be civil or be decent (this is to the people who are being dicks).
It doesn't matter if "all" femininst are or are not doing it what matters is the majority are doing this and you stated you will not speak out against them that you will defend them and that you are one of them that their actions will in no way make you rethink your stance on feminism ergo you are one of them. Its kind of like claiming that paying a man to kill some one isn't the same as killings a person yourself, its technicly true but for all practical and moral applications its completely false. You advocate for those that do this you defend those who do this by your own words ergo you do this. Its not necessary that you be their in person because you are their in spirit (so to speak) you believe in them and what they do because you will not do anything to stop them and actively ridicule those who do. You are as bad as them the only differences is you don't want others to know it. So ask yourself why you think what they do is right when it hurts so many?
@hellionthesage I never stated I will never talk about then I said since this in mytale about people like you I say whatever the fuck I want and if I want to talk about extremists I will on my own terms don't fucking tell me what to do.
Why don't feminists stop lying? The 78cents to the dollar myth has been debunked so many times.
When feminists stop hating men, I will stop calling them man-haters.
When feminists stop saying that women are better than men, I will stop saying that they think women are better than men.
When guys stop making pink accounts, I will stop replying to their comments.
Sorry, I've never seen a good feminist. Honestly, you seem like a radical feminist by telling people what not to say.
^^ LOL @ your behaviour
well why would you not want us to say these things if man shaming is accepted within the feminist community. Sure there are a few of you good apples out there that actually stand for equal rights BUT you are not the majority therefor we will keep saying these things until you deal with your own movement.
Also we don't hate REAL feminists we hate EXTREME feminists because they act like white lives are the only ones who matter most of the time they kick us out of school then complain about the wage gap when the reason is A they do a horrible job or B they have a different job then they complain about bargirls tits being to big
Sir have you seen these comments? most of them don't care if its real or extreme they hate them regardless.
Good point but mainly because the words feminist, rape have been twisted so much so little people know what they realy mean also now EXTREAM feminist think there is a group of people called menists
this take explains a lot of having double standards of feminists.
Well yeah if you can't prove every feminist in the world is the things these idiots online claim. But there again there people who call fifty shades of grey rape. I wonder how people can be dumb and get their logic from.
people who call fifty shades of grey rape are stupid. but seriously i saw too much hate towards men by those people who are feminist. you can't defend this. im seriously sick of hate towards men by feminists.
is rape*
This is why I said I'm not sorry for something I'm not doing in this mytake and I am tired of the hate on this website against feminist as well people need chill pills.
seriously? we need to take chill pills or you, feminists need to take a chill pills?
nobody spread hate towards women until feminists came and started hating towards men all the time on internet. i mean seriously you feminists need to calm the F*** down
Wow twist what I said to make it look like I'm trying to say shit when in reality I'm saying everyone needs to take chill pills Jesus Christ. Also look on GAG people are now going on mytakes that have nothing to do with feminism and causing arguments over feminism when feminism is not part of the mytake. So you people need to fucking chill if you going to tell feminists to chill.
yes you are totally right, after all im talking to a wall here.
First of all how did you assume I was talking to extremists when I said people need chill pills? see this my mytake you prove me right about how you people assume shit for no reason.
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and no you just look at one sentence i said and try to twist it into a argument to prove your idea of what feminists are doing so no your the wall.
yes you are totally right, like i said im talking to a wall. -_-
Plus you brought up how extreme feminists are and brought up how extreme feminists are and said people need chill pills so there nothing in that sentence that says I was only talking to you feminists haters.
I brought up* and how feminists haters*
Nobody hated women before feminism? Are you trying to be funny or are you genuinely that stupid? Because that is fucking retarded, like majorly retarded... just wow.
@TakeMaker oh look i gave a flying fuck about what you said, oh shit it flew away.
Right... retarded, I get it.
@TakeMaker bite me goldie locks -_-
I'd rather not if it's all the same...
@TakeMaker dont worry kido you dont have the balls to do that.
No one need feminism. I didn't see any feminist on the internet or newspaper who protest against fake rape reports. Fake rape reports are more than real rapes. But feminists don't care. Women make more money than men in my country ( Turkey). Feminists don't support equality on this. Feminism is a bad sexist group which supports only women. And yes , most of the feminists hate men.
Well you could have earned our respect by showing that you are in fact different.
But you know you aren't, you are just another feminazi throwing around "check your privilege".
You know who needs feminism really bad?
Third World Countries!
And your point is? like we don't know this?
Why does western women feel they don't have equal oppurtunities?
Just give me some evidence of your reasearch?
Or I don't know google it? you have a computer why do I have to explain it to you? also human rights are needed everywhere so don't say North America doesn't need it. We clearly do.
Lol look at the 1st amendment, and think for a second!
If women don't have equal rights, they wouldn't have the right to protest?
It's that logical!
I'm not trying to belittle you, but just read the constitution and the 24 amendments!
You will be shocked!
Well it sounds like you want to offend me and I'm Canadian I don't care for your rights until I enter your country. But googling it would help you understand more and people don't realize it wasn't always like today where western women have a lot.
I just feel that women rights isn't necessary?
Right now they're starving kids in Africa, kids in Saudi Arabia being educated with violence, and kids in China working for their industrialized country?
So women rights really isn't relevant towards western society?