Dear Men: Suck It The F%$k Up!

[CHARismatic110]

*stands on soap box* Hey fellas, let me talk to y'all for a minute. I don't usually write Takes like this but I've been noticing a trend for a while, and quite frankly I'm tired of biting my tongue. Stop blaming women for every little thing that goes wrong in your life. Or better yet, the world. You didn't get a second date? Has to be the women's fault. You got stuck in the friendzone? Women are the worst. The sky is blue? Women are horrible and should be wiped off the planet! Like enough is enough already. I've been on this site for 3 years and it's been the same old shit.

I recently wrote a Take about monogamy and how I feel like it's basically fading. Majority of the comments on that Take came from guys, and a lot of them were blaming women. Nowhere in the Take did I even mention how it was one gender's fault over the other either, because I don't believe that it is. It falls on both men and women. We're all responsible for our actions.

Men seem to have this notion that women are in total control of the dating world. We hold the "keys to the cookie cupboard" (yup, this was really said) so whenever things don't go as planned, men go apeshit and women are the devil. I see so many comments about how women have it so easy and how men suffer. Have you ever stopped and thought, "maybe it's me?", instead of pointing fingers and looking to place the blame on anyone but yourselves? Maybe you aren't getting past the first date because something about your personality doesn't mesh well with others. Or you're coming on too strong. Or not strong enough. Or maybe it's just not meant to be. Either way, instead of coming here and going on a "women are worthless" rant, maybe take a step back and do some self evaluating. Regroup. Soul search. But for the love of all that is good, y'all have to stop bitching.

And before you all start, I'm well aware that women aren't perfect or innocent. Not by a long shot. We have our fair share of issues within our gender. Women are unnecessarily catty and constantly tearing each other down. And yes, there is male bashing that happens as well. But it's not nearly as rampant, vile, or malicious as some of the things you guys spew.

Listen, I'm a plain ass Jane that's overweight, so before all you dudes come running to the comment section with your "woe is me" spiel, I've dealt with rejection. And heartache. I've been used and manipulated. Lead on and just about every other thing that y'all complain about. Difference is, I look within when it happens. So maybe do that. But whatever you do, in 2018, y'all have to chill on the slandering of women. Thanks.

#CHARismaticOut ✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾

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Love the men bitching. I think the message here is everyone shut the fuck up you special snowflakes.

[CHARismatic110]

Lmao the GIFs are so on point.

[Unit1]

This made me laugh the way you phrased it 😆

[Alpha89s]

Damn ! that gif brings back memories... my fav childhood sitcom.

[Hidden_P]

#vintagebaby

Saying how it is, feelings aren’t spared here 👊

[Hidden_P]

Thanks for MH!

[backdoorman]

I don't know, it seems a little ironic to hear a woman telling men to stop blaming the opposite sex for all their problems.

[CHARismatic110]

Really? I don't find that ironic.

[backdoorman]

Are you being sarcastic or is the irony truly lost on you?

[CHARismatic110]

Sarcasm

[hellionthesagereborn]

With all due respect, women need to suck it the fuck up because they are the ones blaming men for everything. They have been for years and men are now sick and tired of their entitled attitudes and callousness. Maybe just fucking maybe they have a point, did that occur to you? Of course it didn't because your a woman and therefore completely devoid of responsibility and fault. Here's an idea, instead of saying how all men are hypocrits, slut shaming creeps who are not really nice guys but secretly assholes and also just plain assholes, who abuse their significant others, exploit women, are misogynistic and racist, also rapist who hate gay people because fuck it why not, maybe just listen to what they have to say? Maybe get your collective heads out of your collective asses and consider that maybe you are the ones who fucked up and need to start owning your shit? Or keep being self absorbed, solipsistic misandrist who refuse to acknowledge that they are humans because clearly that has worked so well for you, so well that men are now refusing to play your games, refusing to marry, hell some refuse to even enter any kind of relationship with you but clearly they are the problem. This is fucking bullshit and I'm getting tired of women consnatly blaming men for every little thing, telling us how worthless and evil we are then turning around and claiming we are the ones to blame about us being upset that we are being treated like shit. Yeah, how dare us for expecting to be seen like a human fucking being. In conclusion, take your own advice, quit bitching and blaming men for everything and just treat them like human beings, maybe listen when they mention how women are mistreating them, I know I know what about women right? Because women need to be the center of attention at all times, but just try to consider that maybe men are not just a bunch of whiners that maybe all these men are not just bitter because "they can't get laid", maybe its because they really are being treated unfairly.

[Volvagia]

Shit you're clearly harboring some issues against the opppsite sex. Lol

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Volvagia Not at all. I have issues with people who are constantly blaming men for everything then turn around and bitch when those same men they had no problem blamining for every little inconvience in their life tell her that they are sick of being blamed. Men are suffering in every category yet even mentioning that illicits insults from women. Look at your response, the assumption is that "oh he is just bitter" or "he needs to get laid". Maybe the issue is that their are issues and women refuse to acknowledge them so now men are getting increasingly more frustrated because every time they try to address the issues women just blow them off (by insulting them and belittling them and their issues) then turn around and complain how everything in life is unfair that women have it so hard and its all men's fault. Its really fucking annoying. Some guys do need to suck it up, but so do a whole lot more women.

[Volvagia]

My response was fairly justified, I mean look at the # of insults you threw out. In the same way if I wrote in this manner about men, Id defs get a lot of replies saying "who hurt you?" Or something about me being a feminazi lolll. Like chill out fam.

[CHARismatic110]

Thank you for proving my point. And no, I'm not devoid of responsibility. I know how to take responsibility for shit instead of freaking the fuck out and blaming everyone else. Like you just did above. AND AS I FUCKING SAID, Y'ALL ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT GET TREATED LIKE SHIT!!! I'm so fucking sick of hearing that. You act like men are these innocent creatures that treat all women like goddesses and are just out here getting treated like crap and it's bullshit. Miss me with it.

[CHARismatic110]

@Volvagia that was exactly my point when I said that both guys and girls do it, but guys go 10x harder.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Volvagia I don't recall throwing out any insults. I do recall making a list of things women say on this site every single day and then throwing it back at the woman who tells men to shut up and quit complaining because again, women do this all the time on this site, they complain incessantly about how men are this or that or how men are sexist and evil oppressors (never mind that they are doing exactly the same thing they claim men are doing (or worse)) then when men point out that either men are not doing these things or women do them to women, like @CHARismatic110 stated, to "suck it the fuck up", or to "man up" or to "shut the fuck up and stop whining" or they tell them "your just bitter because you can't get laid and/or have a small penis and live in your parents basement etc. etc." I'm sick and tired of the hypocrisy of it, its bullshit.

[hellionthesagereborn]

As for proving your point, where did I do that? You said men have to "suck it the fuck up" not me. I just pointed out that this is exactly what every woman says when point out that hey why are women treating men like shit, then women respond with "shut the fuck up your sexist" etc. etc. You proved my point if anything, you don't listen, women don't listen. Men are suffering in literally every category yet all we here is how men are abusive (never mind that women statistically commit domestic violence more then men), men are rapist and need to be taught not to rape (never mind that women rape men at the same rates) that men just "use" women for sex (never mind that women are responsible for nearly 80% of all divorces and take half of what the man has earned on top of it. Or how they demand that men pay for all the dates but then demand that men not hold them to any kind of a standards so women don't have to give anything in return, them existing is enough) etc. etc. etc.

[hellionthesagereborn]

We are bombarded in literally every fucking medium about how worthless we are, women do nothing but bitch about men, telling us how worthless we all are at every fucking opportunity. Don't give me this shit about men doing it "10x harder" because that is utter bullshit and you cannot back that up. Women are the most apathetic. men men care about what happens to women, their will always be a white knight ready and waiting to swoop in and make a woman feel better, the same cannot be said of women. As I said men are suffering in all catagories, we have discriminatory laws against men, and men are calling out women on how they treat men and the women's response is "Shut the fuck up and deal with it". You have done what every man has already said women do, trivialize and demean men who dare question women. Its sickening to be honest because men in general will side with women but women refuse to side with men when they need it most.

[Volvagia]

"entitled attitudes and callousness" "self absorbed, solipsistic misandrist" "Because women need to be the center of attention at all times"
how are those not insults?
As for your entire point, just because there are shitty women that blame men for all their problems which is not only retarded but wrong of them to do - doesn't justify your tirade and you blaming ur problems on them + your very evident issues against them because it's equally retarded and wrong. It's called accountability which is seriously lacking these days

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Volvagia Clearly was not speaking about all women, I was speaking of the women who tell men to shut the fuck up and/or suck it the fuck up whenever they mention how they feel they are being mistreated, and that those statements are not insults but behaviors exhibited by those types of people. Thought that was pretty apparent. How is telling men to suck it the fuck up not an insult? Exactly. I have not blamed a single one of my problems on women, I stated that the women who tell men to shut up, to suck it up etc. are the source of the problem, not all women, these women who refuse to see men as human beings, refuse to even acknowledge that hey maybe their not just being whiny bitches but might actually have a point, that maybe women are not perfect and we shouldn't dismiss any and all criticism men make as sexist or what have you. Again, thought that was pretty damn apparent (in fact it was).

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Volvagia As for your claim of accountability, where is your crying out of women who do this? you don't. You don't. Women are not held accountable for their actions in our society. As I said when men say they have a problem women dismiss it and insult them like you have done, like @CHARismatic110 has done. Meanwhile what do men complain about? Oh yeah how women demand men pay for every date but then give nothing in return. Okay not really that unreasonable, maybe give it a chance and see if something can't be worked out? Nope all men are pieces of shit as far as women are concerned. Men complain that hey, the laws are stacked against men because women are far more likely to divorce then men but for some reason women can take half of a mans money and take away his children by law (this is a statistical and legal fact) its unfair. So you would think women's response would be "yeah that is unfair", nope. They are told to shut the fuck up.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Volvagia Men say hey we are really being mistreated and we feel like our needs are not being met. You would think that the reasonable response from women would be,"okay how so and how can we work this out", NOPE! They tell men they are sexist pieces of shit/can't get laid/virginal whiny bitches who live in their parents basement and that no woman will ever want them. Yeah, I think men have a right to start getting pissed off, women treat men like shit and have ignored every single attempt to rectify the situation and they have done so by ridiculing and dismissing every single thing men have to say. No its not all women, but a good fucking majority do act this way. Hell one woman just posted a take on how she wouldn't want to be a man and listed off some things men go through. The response from women? Well women have it harder so shut the fuck up, men need to stop whining (I am of course paraphrasing).

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Volvagia I'm sorry that you think its okay to insult men and write an entire take that dismisses everything men say without actually listening to a single word they say, but I think that's bullshit. Now of course your rebuttal was to claim that I was resentful or had some issues which is what many women say to dismiss what a man says instead of asking questions and trying to understand but did it occur to you that maybe its just because I saw something wrong and decided I didn't want that to happen? That I wanted to bring attention to the bad behavior that has allowed women (in general) to walk all over men and treat them like shit? I've never been cheated on, I still write comments about how its wrong. I think when a woman uses her kids to hurt her ex in divorce (which is almost always a woman because men, even with both equal and full custody don't even get their kids half the time)

[Volvagia]

I never said telling men to suck it up wasn't an insult, also I did blame women who do that. I said the women who pull that shit are retarded and wrong. I get that men have a lot of issues in society. They absolutely do but your tirade and your insulting of the opposite gender (yes, you did insult them. Re read you original opinion and see how negative it is) is not going to help people see the issues that so many men face. You're hindering - not helping any progress from being made. I hope you realize that but ay fam if u wanna continue ranting u go for it

[Volvagia]

"I'm sorry that you think its okay to insult men and write an entire take that dismisses everything men say without actually listening to a single word they say, but I think that's bullshit."
when the fuck did I say that exactly?

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Volvagia is pretty shitty thing to do and is damaging to the children as well as the man, hasn't happened to me, still think its a shitty thing to do to some one. If a man rapes a woman (or vice versa), I say that's a horrible thing to do, its an injustice that needs to be addressed, doesn't mean it had to happen to me for me to think its a shitty thing to do. Not every one is self motivated only interested in things when they have personally been affected (which seems to be a foreign concept to many women who make the same arguments as you do).

[CHARismatic110]

Dude, you're going on and on and on. 90% of the things you're saying, aren't up there in the body of my Take. I clearly stated that women were guilty of doing this as well. I clearly stated that we have our own issues within our gender. But of course you looked past all of that and just zeroed in on the title and not the fact that I told you guys to start looking within instead of lashing out. Because that's basically what this Take is saying. Your keep posting vile comment after vile comment and like I said, it's exactly what I'm talking about. You assume that all women have it easy and they don't. You act like men aren't our here womanizing the fuck out women and they are. Nowhere in any of your comments have you taken responsibility and that's my problem. I don't claim to be perfect nor do I think all women are. I said that. And I'm not dismissive of guys and how they feel either. I'll listen and give advice any day. But I'm not gonna be berated. Period.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Yet you have repeatedly stated that you believe its is almost entirely done by men? You even said you believed men did this more often, 10x more to be precise. So yeah, what your saying is not only not the case but its not even sincere, its something you say so as not to be called out for what your really doing and saying. If your saying men do it 10x more, your saying its practically unheard of by women, that's not what is happening. That's not an argument that is a statement of fact. I'm sick and tired of women being sexist and getting away with it, I'm tired of women ridiculing men at every turn then playing the poor helpless victim the second they get called out on it. You fucked up, deal with it. You attacked men just like so many other women have done. I called you out on it, suck it the fuck up and deal with it. What right do you have to tell men to suck it up when you yourself cannot? You don't. You posted vile comments, you attacked men, I said that was not acceptable.

[hellionthesagereborn]

That maybe if this many men are complaining maybe its because their is a point? Maybe you should consider that they are human fucking beings and not just pathetic whiners. You want to call that "vile"? You and I have very different definitions of the word vile. I think dismissing half the populations problems with flippant responses and cries of how men need to "suck it the fuck up"(the literal fucking title to your take I might add), is vile. Its despicable in fact, its not well reasoned, its not thought out, you give no evidence, no reason for why these men are entirely wrong or why women are just (inherently) right, you just insult. That's your take, go back and read it if you want. You insulted men as a whole, from the title to the very end. I just said I wasn't going to tolerate yet another woman disparaging men and dismissing everything we say, its really fucking sexist and it pisses me off (quite understandably) that some how its acceptable so long as its directed at men.

[CHARismatic110]

You didn't call me out on shit because there's nothing to call me out on!!! Lmao give it a rest already! Now I remember you, you're the dude that doesn't know how to let shit go.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Yep. I don't let shit go. You attacked men while claiming that women where the victim, I called you out on that. Look at the goddamn title of your take, end of discussion.

[CHARismatic110]

Dude you've been victimizing the entire male population for days now. I didn't victimize shit. I said stop blaming us for everything, which again, you've provided plenty of examples. At least I'm not painting women as these perfect creatures that do no wrong. That's all you. But whatev, I'm done here.

[hellionthesagereborn]

No, actually you are. Suck it up and deal with it.

[BrittBratt2416]

Thank you. A lot of this spite is mostly coming from brokenhearted, angry, disappointed men who are just upset that things don't go exactly the way they hope it would. You can see this exact behavior from the so called mgtows who claim their done with us yet women seem to be the subject they constantly talk/bitch about. I see constant blame on women for the fall of marriage, blame women for fatherless children, blame women for not wanting them and saying it's us who's superficial and money obsessed gold diggers when it's really them or they're the same way. I constantly see guys saying women are evil for denying them or not accepting the way they are but it's totally fine for them to do the same and that we should not shame them for their "preferences". Okay, but why are you doing that to women? For example, If you want a bad ass chick with an athletic body then fine go ahead but stop getting pissy when a woman wants a taller man. I don't want to hear shit about you saying you can't change height but she can change just so you'll accept her or so she'll have chance to get with you. I'm just seeing this type of behavior being played out a lot, it's the same ole " I don't have to change, she's a bitch if she don't accept me the way I am but I don't have to accept her. She has to do the changing if she wants me". Both genders have their flaws and are not perfect.

[CHARismatic110]

Yes! They always talk about double standards and all these expectations that women supposedly have, but are the first ones to yell about preferences. It doesn't make sense.

[PaulMarrow]

The guys complaining aren't mad at plain Jane whether they realize it or not. The feel attacked by what they think of as feminists. What they don't realize is that the rabbit hole goes a lot deeper. These loud mouthed blue haired hairy armpit freaks aren't feminists even though they think they are. What is going on here is subversion it's taking place mostly in academia but also in the media and pretty much any place that those responsible can fit it in. People are being tricked , lied to , coddled and told how oppressed they are and that it's the fault of society. This is to weaponize them. Every time a blue haired unbathed freak attacks a man or mouths off about men being scum etc, men who are not in the know blame women in general. Take a look at this video, it's well worth your time , it's from a university psychology professor who deals with this garbage from the inside.
https:~~~~//www.~~~~youtube.~~~~com/watch? v=Cf2nqmQIfxc&feature=youtu. be&ytbChannel=Jordan%20B%20Peterson
Just cut and past the link and delete all the ~'s I have to post it that way because this site is all screwed up.

[castratedwhiteguy]

Your link doesn't work! Why don't you just post the video right here so we can all see it?

[PaulMarrow]

@castratedwhiteguy I would but the site is rigged up to force you to produce content so they can make money off of you. Until I have produced x amount of content I can not post links. To post them anyway I break them up after the dots. Just do what it says under the link and past it into your URL field , then take out the ~'s.

[castratedwhiteguy]

Wrong! You absolutely can post a video here! Just copy and paste the web page address into the comment section here and miraculously that Youtube video will definitely appear for all of us to see. Nevertheless, your link didn't work for me, so you rally need to up your game...

[PaulMarrow]

@castratedwhiteguy It will post after I reach a certain number of posts on the site, until then, it will not.

[castratedwhiteguy]

Why don't you at least try my suggestion? You might be surprised!

[PaulMarrow]

@castratedwhiteguy I know that it will eventually work once I accumulate enough points and I do check every time I post a link. Here goes, wish me luck.
www.youtube.com/watch

[PaulMarrow]

Excellent.

[freakyzeaky]

Problem is, there is a severe lack of courage going on with many men who complain. Myself included and I am not ashamed to admit it. Lack of courage to change, fail, be successful, approach women, face rejection, and so on.

Some guys blame women. I mostly don't. I more so blame myself but I blame myself too harshly. I don't accept myself half the time, at least when it comes to what is traditionally told what women want. Because I listen to it, put too much stock in it, let my jerk brain (ego) control me, I tend to withdraw rather than buck the trend.

We are our own worst enemies, and I think that goes for both sexes. We limit ourselves, we hold ourselves back from true happiness because of what we perceive to be true. We search for answers, for truths, but the reality is, the truths we seek are not universal. Everybody in this world is different and nothing is set in stone.

[CHARismatic110]

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Very well put my dude. And I agree, we (both men and women) are our own worst enemies. I say that all the time. We get in our own heads and refuse to get out of our own ways. We spend most of our lives so caught up in trying to please the opposite sex that we forget to actually live and enjoy life. That's not just a guy thing, girls do this too. I'm guilty of it. Society is always changing. The standard is always changing. And that's what everyone fails to realize.

[JustAnotherGirlie]

YES GIRL! They are not tryna hear reason on this app! Everything is a constant pity poor me session.
A lot of guys think women have it easy when dating, but they’re only talking about the hot girls. They forget most women are average, and you can stratify possibility of attraction by race as well. But that’s a separate issue.
Overall women don’t ALWAYS have it easy. I used to get bullied by people, and the boys were the worst. Making fun of me, throwing things at me on the bus, telling me they liked me and harassing me in front of me peers. THAT was my childhood and it still affects me to this day.
I still have problems with vulnerability because I’m afraid a man will never *really* like me. I guess I’m just afraid it’ll turn out to be a cruel joke.
But did I blame all of mankind? No. I had a right to be pissed but I just looked internally and tried to get therapy. If you feel sorry for yourself It doesn’t allow much room for other people to, in my opinion.

[CHARismatic110]

"I used to get bullied by people, and the boys were the worst. Making fun of me, throwing things at me on the bus, telling me they liked me and harassing me in front of me peers. THAT was my childhood and it still affects me to this day. "

Yeah this was pretty much my life from 3rd to 8th grade. I went through hell with bullying. Mostly from guys. We've got a lot in common girl.

[JDavid25]

Average is a broad term that doesn't really get into the different levels of attractiveness that people have.. There are many women who don't like plain.. Let's not forget the bodies they flaunt.. Overall while it's not always easy for women.. It is easier than it is for guys.. LOL.. Although I agree with the "race" thing..

[JustAnotherGirlie]

@JDavid25 oh the race thing is a BIG one, that and weight. Because when people talk about how “easy” women have it, they mean attractive blonde white women with no ass. They don’t mean chubby white women and they certainly don’t mean black women.
I could really paint a picture for you with some data but i won’t. Just know that white womens bullshit does NOT compare to black women’s problems. The average white women would be shook as hell if they had to live as me. And these are objective facts

[BrittBratt2416]

@JustAnotherGirlie "Oh the race thing is a BIG one, that and weight. Because when people talk about how “easy” women have it, they mean attractive blonde white women with no ( actually they do want the ones with ass these days lol) ass. They don’t mean chubby white women and they certainly don’t mean black women."

Exactly! And this is what we're constantly telling them, just cause we have vagina's doesn't mean we automatically have 10,000 dicks flying our way. The women who have it "easier" are the pretty ones that they want but can't get or have access to. Average women like me actually have to wait a while until someone has interest in us, so a lot of women suffer or don't have much luck in the dating world just like men do.

[CHARismatic110]

@BrittBratt2416 @JustAnotherGirlie all facts. But when you try to bring this up to them, all you get in return is more excuses. Especially with the race thing. That's a whole other can of worms. But don't talk too much about it, don't wanna be that angry black girl.

[JustAnotherGirlie]

Smdh you told no lies. That angry black woman stereotype is a bitch, but i stopped caring about that long ago.

[CHARismatic110]

Seriously. You've already stereotyped me anyway, so I'll give you just what you want. I'd me expressing myself is considered angry and playing the victim, so be it.

[BrittBratt2416]

I'm black girl too, so I definitely understand.

[CHARismatic110]

@BrittBratt2416 sad that you even have to but yeah, I digress.

[JDavid25]

You think I don't know about the "Black" women's plight.. LMAO.. I already know about all that.. Although it can depend on where you be at too... Cause there's a lot of "Black" women that are conceited like a mug.. And don't get me started on cute Chubby "White" women with some booty at the back.. But I ain't knockin down y'all experiences.. Cause it is real out here for "Black" women.. Society be playin with y'all.. So I sympathize with you guys..

[BrittBratt2416]

@JDavid25 why are you putting black in quotes for?

[JDavid25]

@BrittBratt2416 I put any race in quotations.. Cause I believe that "race" is a social construct, with little to no biological meanin in our lives.. But I recognize that it will forever be labels we use..

[JustAnotherGirlie]

@JDavid25 Race is a construct but it has very real implications for us all. We are judged and stratified by it, limiting opportunities for career advancement and marriage. But I’m assuming you knew that

[JDavid25]

Yeah, that's why I said the last part.. I recognize that it will forever be labels we used.. LOL.. I'm seen as a "Black" man so yeah I would know first hand it's implications.. :P..

[ThisDudeHere]

Technically speaking, what's it really to you when these whimps complain about women being the cause of all of their problems? I mean, just ignore it. You empower them by giving them your time of the day.

Although I agree that generally if one is unsuccessful at something, in this case, dating, they should look first at themselves before anyone else. But sometimes some of these guys have a point - some things that used to be different have now changed for most or at least a large part of women. Things that are more detrimental to men.

[CHARismatic110]

Technically speaking, I said I have it ignored it. For the entire 3 years that I've been using the site. And I'm pretty sure I'll go back to ignoring it. I literally saw some ignorant shit, opened up the MyTake thing, and wrote this.

[JustAnotherGirlie]

Well the problem is, despite increased female autonomy and financial independence, stereotypes about women still exist. We are all still golddiggers. We are all untrustworthy. We are all disloyal. This anger towards women is really not about us at all, but about a changing society that tolerates female independence. As a first world country should.
And some men are quite violent in their interactions with women. Even today, we still see men bending over backwards to justify violence and aggression towards women. We still see domestic violence and assault in homes across the country. And when a man is virulent in his misogyny, it’s dangerous for all women and children involved.
Don’t let social media radicalize you in your dislike for women. Only a fool would think that type of behavior doesn’t manifest IRL.

[Stokes]

Good job on this take.
In the end, it all comes down to the ability to look beyond your own ego, contemplate and perhaps change for the better. Both men and women a lot of times are unable to do this. Why?
- Because it's easier to be in self denial and point your finger at others. So sadly it all ends up in frustration, which often leads to immature mud throwing back and forth.

On the other side I won't ever date a girl who is extremely 3rd wave feminist, as I think it has gotten to a point of man hating.
- It isn't progressive at all. Be humble and lets meet eachother in the middle, no assumptions or prejudice.

[CHARismatic110]

Thank you for being able to look past the title and get the Take for what it was. And I agree, it definitely is easier to fall into self denial. I've been guilty of it before. I can admit that. But I've learned from it so I'm able to see it a mile away. And I'm all for girl power, but 3rd wave feminism has long driven off that path into darkness.

[Stokes]

No problem.
We've all fallen into that dark hole at some point. Part of maturing is developing this sort off knowledge. Emotional intelligence is important. I believe anyone with a more realistic point of view, will have way better chances of finding whatever they pursue.

[CHARismatic110]

I agree.

[Viperkiss]

Just finished reading a take where I was informed by a woman that all men are rapists.

There is always kickback when one group is demonized by society. From commercials to movies, men are largely represented as idiots or monsters. This will cause people to bark back.

[CHARismatic110]

And that would be the other side of the coin. I'm not saying that there aren't extremes on the other side, because there are. I'm saying that it seems more rampant with guys. But yeah, I don't agree with the all men are rapists thing.

[Viperkiss]

And as I suggest, when guys are demonized they react badly.
Look at how you react when guys demonized women, yet women are heralded as saints to society at large. Now imagine society itself demonized you AS WELL as men.
In fact you will often be held responsible for the sins of you fore fathers.

I just volunteered for my kids school. I was handed a form to fill out requiring all sorts of personal information and even requiring references and a background check with the justice system.
Now I get that it’s wise to protect our children, I want to be sure anyone around my kid is safe.
But no women have been required to submit this. My kids mom was never asked, or any other women who volunteer at the school.
But I must. I must PROVE my innocence in a society that was built on the notion of innocent until proven guilty.
I also have to fight occasionally with the school to establish that I’m the primary caregiver and to send school information to me. Otherwise I get ignored. Not good.

[CHARismatic110]

I mean, I'm a nanny and have been working with children for a while and I've had to get background checks and clearance to do so, but never just to volunteer at a school. I get where they're coming from, but if that's the case then all volunteers should have to fill it out.

I do. understand where you're coming from to a. certain extent when it comes to how men are viewed and portrayed in the media and society. It's not always negative, but more often than not, the bad guy is always... well... a guy.

[JustAnotherGirlie]

Women are not regarded as saints. Once again, men either don’t listen well or simply reject information.
If I told you that more men statistically rape and assault women, would you say it’s wrong? Is a fact offensive to you? Is a statistic an attack on your character?
So what if you don’t abuse women? This is about not single individuals, but a culture of violence that affects all of us. You don’t think men get assaulted? You don’t think little boys don’t get touched? Who do you think is doing the touching? It’s not always heterosexual women - most times it’s men. This small percentage of nasty ass men are repetitively hurting the larger population. All men aren’t monsters, that’s not the point. The point is we can’t tell WHO isn't because they are regular people. They look like you, a regular person. So either you can help fix this and differentiate yourself from those causing problems or you are the problem. There isn’t a middle ground for this issue

[Viperkiss]

@JustAnotherGirlie “Once again, men either don’t listen well or simply reject information.”
Well there would be a bullshit statement right off the bat. Projecting much?
Your negative opinion of men clearly clouds your perseption. (Just look at your responses to numerous questions.)
Now first of all I did not make any argument as to who rapes who more.
Secondly I never suggested men don’t get assulted. Nor did I suggest that all assaults on men are committed by women.
I will thank you not to put words in other people’s mouths.
I may just also know the brutal cost of being molested at 9 years old, by a man.

“This small percentage of nasty ass men are repetitively hurting the larger population.”

This persentage of men are not hurting the larger population. They are hurting their victims. The assumption and attitude that all men are potentially like this, that they must be required to prove themselves (naturally just men, as I pointed out women are not required to do the same) by...

[Viperkiss]

Society at large is what is hurting the larger population.
We know this because of the differing attitudes towards male and female perpetrators.
By demonizing men as a whole you wrong the innocent.
But let’s run with this. So I must prove my innocence because 4% of men are monsters.
Far more men are thieves then molesters. So should we be required to prove our innocence before we are aloud in a store?
How far does it go? Do I need to prove I’m not a murderer? Considering women rape too, then I guess they all should be subjected to the same treatment no? Or is it that women in general are seen as better somehow then men because the numbers are slightly less?
How about we assume all women are, say, bitches because some indeed are?

Or maybe we should stop this demonizing crap and properly address the problem culturally. You, yourself suggest it’s a cultural issue. So why not stop pointing fingures at innocent people and address the problem effectively?
Maybe we should...

[Viperkiss]

Help victims more to prevent abuse cycles. Maybe we should offer help to perpetrators to stop the violence. Maybe we should change our attitudes towards each other. etc..

We know if you treat people poorly eventually they act poorly. Maybe here’s a starting point.
Maybe treating me like a perpetrator (even when I was once a victim) without cause is a violation of my human rights.
To suggest that if I don’t actively differentiate myself from rapists (here we are back to you ASSUMING I’m a RAPIST) then I’m part of the problem is ignorant nonsense. Did you differianceate your self from women who drowned babies? If not we should assume you’ll drown the next baby you are near.

[JustAnotherGirlie]

Once again, you made this about YOU. I specifically talk about cultural implications of sexual assault and violence towards women and children because it occurs across all classes and status, it’s not exclusive to race. And we are slowly getting evidence it’s not exclusive to gender either.
This isn’t about you or your hurt feelings. In fact. I never specified that the case I was building pertains to you.
We can prove that men commit more acts of aggression towards women and children. We can prove that a small minority of sickos commit repetitive sexually abusive acts, which affect the larger population. Instead of making sure we promote a culture that discourages that type of behavior, we do the opposite. Specifically men do the opposite. They make it about their hurt feelings when it’s not a personal attack - it’s a fact.
If you have contradictory evidence to prove women are committing these crimes at equal rates, please let me know. Im willing to learn

[JustAnotherGirlie]

And let me be clear about what I mean about “culture.” An example would be rape culture - you don’t have to actively commit an act of rape to be an apologist. Only a small percentage of men actually commit rape. The larger population doesn’t BUT when issues come to light, many of them are skilled in deflection, manipulation and end up making the situation worse. We have a culture of MEN (and those random women everyone hates) that excuse the action bc of what she was wearing, her sexual promiscuity in times last, etc. Hell when #metoo first started, men were deflecting talking about “well no one cares when men get abused.” Yes the FCK we do? Men can create their own hashtag or come forward as victims themselves. But that’s not what happened now is it?
This conversation is necessary bc as someone who legitimately cares about sexual abuse and domestic violence I’m tired of the bullshit. Men are overwhelmingly the perpetrators and the apologists. I dare you to say otherwise

[Viperkiss]

@JustAnotherGirlie ok. Lump innocent men in with rapists. Sure.
I’ll in turn lump you in with baby drowners, bitches and thieves, the mentally ill and hysterical women.
Or is or is it that we just lump people in with whatever particular crime their sex happens to commit more: in which case you better prove to me that you will not commit Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome on children. In fact you should prove you are not a perpetrator of this sick crime before you are let near children. Guilty even without accusation. You must be a monster.

[DodgersGM]

So many salty dudes in here. LMAO

Apparently GaGers don't have the best reading comprehension. I mean, you literally spelled out the fact that you know shit goes both ways:

"Nowhere in the Take did I even mention how it was one gender's fault over the other either, because I don't believe that it is. It falls on both men and women. We're all responsible for our actions."

[CHARismatic110]

I mean... seriously. I also said that I'm well aware that women AREN'T PERFECT. But I guess that went over their heads as well. Sodium levels on code red in here tonight, G.

[DodgersGM]

Indeed, it is. LOL

Just keep doing you. A little salt never hurt anybody. 😉

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[DodgersGM]

Ugh. Gif failure.

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[CHARismatic110]

Salt baeee

[10dsw]

I completely agree with you that there are a subset of men that slander on women, however I would argue that the subset of women slandering on men far exceeds the reverse case. And in general I'd say your view is based off of ignorance and the inability to see things from both sides.

Go to a bar with a bunch of women and the topic revolves around "omg this guy that, that guy is gross, bla bla bla."

Go to a bar with a bunch of men and the topic revolves around the usual sports, work, etc.

[CHARismatic110]

First of all, thanks for at least engaging in a semi conversation. Secondly, I've been in atmospheres with just guys and just girls and the conversations were more alike than you'd think. And while you may be more likely to hear a group of women talking about guys over the opposite, I still stand by my opinion when I say that men are by far much more off the wall and outlandish with the slander.

[10dsw]

I think part of the reason you might feel that way is that men (perhaps men you have gone on dates with) tend to vocalize their opinions directly to women more often, on top of which women will ruminate over these comments more as well. Whereas women don't usually vocalize their opinions directly to men as often, and when they do, the men usually don't care all too much.

It also really depends on the calibre of man you're dealing with. Most "higher end" guys usually just ghost as opposed to slandering and whatnot.

[CHARismatic110]

That's not a bad point, but delivery is everything. I will say that ghosting is becoming a growing problem. As cowardly as it is.

[10dsw]

Totally agree with you

[Unit1]

I kind of agree. The responses you described can be typically found in MGTOW.
And it's always much easier for anyone to put the finger on the others than to step back a bit and wonder what or where one did possibly wrong - Even if it's just an expectation, that wasn't realized or truthful.

A good quote i remember is "the changes begin with YOU.". You as in yourself (not the you-you but the person anyone can see in the mirror).

[CHARismatic110]

MGTOW is a perfect example.

[Unit1]

And so are the feminazis. These are Two sides of the same coin.

Good men and women are very scarce.

[CHARismatic110]

I agree. They are just as bad. And yes, they definitely are.

[Unit1]

MGTOW: Women are the problem!
Feminazis: Men are the problem!
Me: Get a room you two and leave the rest of us out of all of this. Freaks.

[KINGNIGGA123]

she's only talking about the reactions with people on THIS site. and believe me his site is not a very good conductor to demonstrate the behavioral norms of society

[Political_dude]

If something goes wrong in society, Republicans blame Democrats or vice versa. Same goes for men and women. You don't need to take every argument seriously. Many women say *All men are pigs* and so the men says *All women are who*s* but the real men and women always know what truth is.. Welcome to gender politics ;)

[CHARismatic110]

I don't take much of anything seriously on this site lol. But I get it.

[Margillard]

And this take folks, is why men have opted out of long term relationships with women.
Gone fishing ladies... permanently.
www.foxnews.com/.../why-men-wont-marry.html

[CHARismatic110]

Hope you catch something good!

[oddwaffle]

Why don't women just suck it up?

That's how men are. You didn't know? If they win they will brag about it to their buddies. If they loose they will call the other guy cheated and blame the referee.

Ground too soft
Ground too hard
Referee helped other team
Referee didn't help us
It's was the rain
It didn't rain
Too much sun
Not enough sun
Home ground cheer causes too much pressure
Away ground not enough cheer
Not enough training
Training too much
Other team didn't match the strategy
Strategy works too well and was surprised
.. etc

- Excuses of sport teams.

[LittleSally]

Haha Literally exactly this!
I've written a few mytakes like this before and almost ALL (38 out of 45 - an estimate) of the comments were from 'guys' being very cross with me because I see their sad and frankly strange view of the world... (In which, of course, they're not to be blamed for anything.)

[CHARismatic110]

Lol I expected it.

[Glue-Sniffer]

Well... This site attracts a lot of bitter men. Probably the majority of them are bitter. I don't mind. They are not worth my time and you shouldn't care about them either.
Most of them can't find a place in society so let them have this corner of the virtual world where they can pitty each other to death. 💃

[CHARismatic110]

It attracts a lot of bitter and crazy people in general lol. Just seems like the guys are always on a 1000! But you're right. I'll just go back to ignoring em.

[FatherJack]

As a FT working single dad , I most definitely " Suck It The Fuck Up !! " every single day !! Men get shit & sexism from women too , in my case the automatic assumption that male = pedo kiddy fiddler / rapist , and / or unfit parent !! However I do understand that girls / women are often brainwashed to believe men are low life forms & this will influence them to view men in a negative light. Even my astute daughter , at the age of 8 , noticed this trend.

[CHARismatic110]

Good on you for being a good single papa.

[FatherJack]

@CHARismatic110. Thank you , it is hard at times , my surly , sullen 14 year old boy is a severe test of the last reserves of my patience , as well as the stress from work & dealing with my ex... she is difficult because she wants me back , my response = NO !!

[RedThread]

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[CHARismatic110]

Lmao solid GIF

[backspinGA]

I actually do agree with a bit of what you're saying. We as men do need to step it up, so we can take over the mantle that are grandfather's and fathers are leaving us. However, women do as well. We are both equally guilty of the current situation in the dating world and life in general. Just my humble opinion.

[CHARismatic110]

I agree

[TheUglyMonk]

TL:DR; @CHARismatic110 is bitter that other men are bitter.

Message to the author:

Dear @CHARismatic110,
This is G@G, you should be aware what type of people this site attracts, I am 100% sure that this website does not represent how the general population thinks, so sit back and enjoy the show.

[CHARismatic110]

Like I said, been here 3 years. I'm well aware of what type of people this site attracts. And I'm speaking to the people on this site.