Dear Yahweh, by ManOnFire

[ManOnFire]

Dear Yahweh
raise my eyes to heaven
and give your strength to this
wilting soul,
because I have none
For great is your mercy
and so is the cover of
your wings

Let me not be a slave
to the oppressor,
keep my heart from wandering
back to Egypt
keep me in perfect peace
and do what you wanted
me to ask you to
If I can't make them see it
I know you can

Jesus, I am afraid of the truth
and afraid of what I can't see
release me from this burden
for this is not your will
Preach to this spirit in prison
I know you have a way
for me but my eyes are too
low to see it

Help me to let go of
those who let go of me
heal me of the lies, the loss,
and the laughter
Help the world
to understand because
I know no other way
Continue to keep the foolish
out of my path
but draw close to me the
ones who love goodness

Dear Yahweh
Blessed be your name
because you already
knew everything
I needed to say.

🌿

[devilman666]

"Let me not be a slave" that is definitely a smart hope to have as a christian. Exodus 21 and leviticus 25:44 allow slavery, so it's something to worry about.

Can you ask Yahweh why he was such a dick to Job for me? I've asked so many times but he never responds.

[Nadim171]

Slavery in that time wasn't the same as slavery that was in the 19th century and so on... slaves were just like normal servants in our modern day in that time

[devilman666]

Read leviticus 25 in verse 44 it says your slaves are to come from the nations around you, which differentiates this from the law in exodus 21 (exodus 21:2 makes it clear it is talking about hebrew servants) In leviticus 24:46 it says directly and explicitly that you may own these slaves for live and inherit them to your children.

Also... modern servants are owned for 7 years and then released as free men? They are allowed to be beaten as long as they dont die in a couple days? Modern female servants can be bought with the intention of forcing her into marriage (exodus 21:7-10 makes this clear, saying female slaves dont leave after 7 years like male slaves do, they are considered a daughter if given to the son, and if he marries another woman then he is not to deprive the servant girl of her marital rights). I think you have misguided beliefs about todays servants, or you haven't read your own holy book.

[devilman666]

Have you actually read the slavery laws in the bible?

[Nadim171]

by the way the old testament also supports stonning adulterers idolaters and homosexuals.
Because the old tastment was in a time of bloodsheds and war and cruality so God had to accept the culture of that age.

Jesus was against these laws

[devilman666]

Give me an example of jesus saying that slavery is wrong. Hint: he never said slavery was wrong, he never even came close to it. What a bullshit excuse though, your all powerful god who is supposedly unable to accept immorality set laws dictating what kind of fabrics we can wear (no mixed fabrics) what kind of animals we can eat (no pork or shellfish), yet he couldn't say that slavery was evil? Heck, that logic is so flawed that I can contradict it by pointing to how the bible outlawed murder, yet murder still happens all the time, even until today we haven't been able to stop murderers, murder has literally always been part of our culture, so why did God make that immoral if he wouldn't make things immoral that were part of the culture? None of this makes sense.

You even point out yourself, the old testament was a time of bloodshed and war, why would God make murder illegal if it was so deeply ingrained into the culture?

[devilman666]

Thanks for pointing out the immorality in the bible, it also seemingly supports child sacrifice and the stoning of witches, the stoning of unruly children, the stoning of false prophets. It's crazy how many biblical laws tell us to commit murder despite biblical law telling us not to murder. Crazy how much immorality and contradictions are in the bible, right?

[devilman666]

If you do respond though, please give me the verses where jesus said something about slavery. I have read the stories of jesus, he never condemned slavery, so that is either a blatant lie or an interpretation of something unrelated, like saying to love your neighbor as yourself means that you cannot own a slave. To think christians say that non-believers take biblical verses out of context, but they do it even more when they interpret a verse to mean something entirely unrelated, like assuming any verse they disagree with is just a metaphor for something. Another example of this is the story of jepthah, I've heard christians try to tell me it's just a metaphor before, because they think "clearly God simply wouldn't do something like that, so we can simply assume it must be a metaphor without any evidence."

[ManOnFire]

@devilman666 There are actually more than one scriptural references I wrote in this.

[Nadim171]

So you don't know the difference between a jew and a Christian...

However the killing of witches is the only one that this still allowed since they're a source of evil and death

[devilman666]

@Nadim171 The largest difference between jews and christians is that jews don't see Jesus as the son of God, a prophet perhaps, but not the messiah. There are plenty of other differences just as there are plenty of differences between christian denominations, but I don't see how this is important to the conversation unless you are refeeing to the shellfish and mixed fabrics then reas Leviticus 11:9-12 and leviticus 19:19. The old testament shares a lot of the exact same stories with the Torah, Nevi'im, Ketuvim, and other minor texts of the Jewish faith. If you mean to say that the old testament laws no longer apply due to the covenant then that means no old testament laws apply anymore, because of the new covenant. Therefore the 10 commandments no longer apply in addition to all other laws from the old testament.

How do you know that killing witches is still allowed but the other things aren't? Neither god nor jesus ever said slavery was wrong, same way they never said killing witches was wrong. To my knowledge the new testament doesn't say anything condoning slavery or the murder of witches, so if you could provide the verses that support the things you say and believe then that would be great. You seem to think you know a lot about the bible but refuse to actually show anything. By you logic murderers should also be stoned/executed since they are a source of evil and death, and if christians dont need to support their logic with biblical verses then any christian can simply say non believers a source of evil and death since they drag people to the eternal damnation, and therefore the laws about killing non believers should be allowed.

[Nadim171]

Slavery is not wrong, it depends which kind of slavery is it.
Hebrew slaves were voulantary and they earned money to pay debts and so on. Another form of slaves back in the day of the old tastment were captives who worked on the field but these were prisoners. It was more like prison chores.

https://youtu.be/o6sTsoGNqe8

Please watch this video

[devilman666]

As I have already asked, please read leviticus 25, as it quite clearly points out that you are wrong. Here, I'll make it easy for you so you don't even have to pull out your bible. Leviticus 25: 42-43: Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves. Do not rule over them ruthlessly, but fear your God.

It says specifically here not to rule over ISRAELITES ruthlessly, this is because you are allowed to be ruthless to your non-henrew servants.

Leviticus 25 44-46: "`Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

It says specifically in 44 that you can purchase slaves from the nations around you. Verse 45 states that they will be your property. Verse 46 continues this by saying you can own these slaves for their entire life, and even pass them onto your children so that they remain your families slave even after you die. Finally, verse 46 finishes by stating once again not to rule over the people of Israel ruthlessly.

[devilman666]

I have read the bible. I have read what it says about slavery and honestly evaluated it. I don't think you have though, you back yourself up with your own ideas and with videos you found that support you, I back myself up by providing scripture that states the same things I said. Just read your bible rather than listening to what people tell you anout the bible, I provided the verses for everything I quoted, if you have questions you can ask and I will provide verses so that you can read the words yourself from your own book. For example, please give me scripture supporting the idea that slavery back then was like prison chores? I've read the bible several times over and yet I don't remember reading that.

I don't care about some video tbh, I want scripture to back up what you say, otherwise it is simply your own opinion (or somebody elses opinion) and carries no actual weight. I can just as easily say jesus was gay and then refuse to provide scriptural evidence because I just know. If you don't provide scripture to support what you say then it's just the imperfect beliefs of a human since you don't get that knowledge from a higher power.

So less than a minute in and I have comments about the video. "First he says the bible supports slavery, then he says its that bad kind of slavery"
... well which is it? Does the bible support slavery as long as it's the good kind of slavery? Like he seems astonished that anyone would say the bible has slavery in it, then next sentence he says "the bible only has good slavery in it." As if that means it doesn't have slavery. It either has no slavery or it has "good slavery", it can't have both.

[devilman666]

Also, leviticus 25: 7 proves you are wrong about slaves being voluntary, even with Hebrew slaves they could be sold into it. Leviticus 25: 7 says: If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do." Not only do female hebrew servants not go free after 7 years (because theyre now you're wife), but the hebrews could sell their daughter to he a slave, therefore it isn't voluntary.

[devilman666]

Please read your bible rather than listening to people who just want to control you. You will see the evil in it for yourself, the evil in the bible is why I don't belief. It allows you to commit slavery and murder, as well, the bible has some atrocious stories in it. The story of Samson is good? The story of Job? The story of Jepthah? The story of Elisha and the she bears? Despicable, evil things happened in these stories as a result of God, Samson slaughtered thousands of people to prove himself righteous, Job was tortured and his innocent children were killed, jepthah sacrificed his own daughter, and God had two she bears murder a group of children because the children mocked prophet. I don't need perfect morality to see the imperfections in the morality the bible teaches. If God is perfect then his morality should be perfect too, yet according to the bible it is seemingly imperfect.

[Nadim171]

This kind of slavery was rejected by Christians. There was no such thing in the medieval Christian era. However thanks for proving Judaism is immoral

[Nadim171]

Can't you realise that all the "evil" you're pointing out is in the old testament? Again, you didn't live 5000 years ago. And apparently doesn't have an idea of how cruel life was back then. God knew that the hebrews were cruel people. They would beat a slave until he dies and don't even care about it, kill a man becasue he injured their eye, kill a woman's whole family becasue she committed adultrey etc... so he couldn't tell them stop all this immediately, he made it step by step. For example divorce, jesus said :"it is becasue of the hardness of your hearts or because of your cruel hearts that moses allowed you to divorce" jesus didn't point out slavery becasue in his time the kind of slavery that was in leviticus wasn't there. They were more of a servant.. also due to the Roman colonization not all Jews were allowed to own slaves.

[devilman666]

@Nadim171 then christians made that decision without the influence of God. I don't see how anyone can claim the bible doesn't support slavery because christians today dont support slavery. Yes there was slavery in the medieval christian era, that is a stupid claim to make, Christians and muslims alike enslaved many. The Christian crusades brought in tons of slaves, christian britain had slavery until 1807, Rome was known for slavery both before and after Constantine put christianity in power. You simply cannot argue christians did jot commit slavery, it happened a lot in history.

How did I prove judaism immoral and not christianity? Please tell me this distinction you see that makes you better? Do you follow the old testament?

Can you realize the old testament is part of your holy book? Further, christians believe jesus and God are the same person, which means every evil thing God did in the old testament, Jesus is guilty of, since Jesus is God. Christians should stop following the old testament if they want people to stop judging them for it, just like Muslims who get upset when you bring up that the quran allows wife beating. Either stop following this immoral garbage or expect that people will judge you for your beliefs.

[devilman666]

Lol I just didn't know how cruel it was so I can't understand. Stop being stupid and weak. Your God allowed slavery, that is all there is to it, the fact that his people were apparently irredeemably immoral and cruel is his problem, maybe he should have picked a more moral group of people. He chose not to lead them to a moral path and let them be evil because of how cruel they were, how moral God must be *sarcasm*.

Umm... you are making stuff up again. Try reading your bible? It has actual punishments written in it, they didn't kill a man for injuring their eye, they would be breaking the law if they did. The hebrew law in the old testament said an eye for an eye, if he killed the man instead then he would be stoned to death. If they beat a slave to death then they would be punished, same with killing a woman's whole family (killing the adulterers was common). Do you not know that they had law enforcement back then? We have historical records from back then, the romans and other civilizations around the time did a very good job at law enforcement.

[devilman666]

"They were more of a servant" if you ignore everything I say and repeat that they weren't slaves then I will stop talking to you. This is silly and ridiculous, you are trying so hard to justify slavery you never lived through, you werent there, and as you say they didn't follow the laws, so what stopped the cruel hebrew from just enslaving anyone however they wanted? They were already murderers who just killed entire families with little reason, right? The worst part is that you seemingly haven't even read this stuff for yourself. If you had read and inspected it then you would know that it was not like servants, they were allowed to own slaves for life as long as the slave was not hebrew. They could own as many muslim slaves as they wanted and own them for life, they could pass them onto their children, how is this not slavery? The servitude you speak of only applied to Hebrew people, go read your bible and see for yourself.

[ManOnFire]

@devilman666 These are not matters that we should be arguing about.

[devilman666]

@ManOnFire what do you mean by that? Are you saying we shouldn't argue about religion? If so then christians should not try to spread their faith since an argument is merely an exchange of opposing views, and therefore by spreading their faith to people who don't belief (and therefore have an opposing view) they are being argumentative, and we shouldn't argue on this matter.

[ManOnFire]

@devilman666 That is exactly what I'm saying. The CHURCHES think we should argue about our faith, but the Bible preaches we should show our faith to the world by living it, not forcing or debating it. If God wants to save somebody he'll handle that. Not me.

[devilman666]

@ManOnFire I have no faith in a God, I am an athiest. Why should I care what the bible preaches about faith?

How does the bible preach this? I seemingly remember jesus arguing about faith with the pharisees, so the bible would show the opposite?

So then are you going to let your children believe whatever they want? Or are you going to push jesus on them early? Why teach anyone about God or jesus? Just let God do that.

God must not want to save too many people then. I wonder what makes it so I am not worth saving.

[ManOnFire]

@devilman666 And you don't have to care. God will still be there whether we believe in him or care about him or not. That won't change.

Jesus didn't try to argue with the Pharisees, they were the ones who tried to question him to get him to slip up and say things they would've thought contradicted the Jewish faith. Jesus simply answered them with the truth, and they didn't like it.

I would teach my kids about God, yes. Because that's what I believe is right. In the end they will decide at some point, and I can't save anybody. Not even my own kids.

[devilman666]

Argument: an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one.
By the very definition of the word Jesus and the pharisees had an argument. They exchanged diverging views and therefore it is an argument.

So you will force faith upon your own child instead of following what the bible says and showing your faith by living it? and you think that is right? This is messed up. You, as a christian think the right thing to do is to go directly against what you think the bible teaches?

According to you the bible preaches that you should show your faith to the world by being an example, rather than using force. Yet you think force is the best option when it comes to your own children? As you said "if God wants someone to change then he will do it yourself", do you love your child more than you love God? Or do you just ignore the bibles messages when you dont like them?

[ManOnFire]

@devilman666 Teaching your kids about God isn't forcing anything on them. It's raising them in what you think is right. Forcing them would be me making them read the Bible every day or making them go to church, and saying they would go to hell if they didn't. That would be forcing them.

Tell me: do you see it as force if you were to teach your kids that there is no God and to despise faith?

[Screenwriter]

They sound pretty awfull and abusive. Just like more recent slavery in US was. Nothing nice to be the "slave" in.

[devilman666]

@ManOnFire most christian parents I know force their child to go to church and read the bible, tell their child that the child will go to hell if they dint belief, heck, I've even met a Christian who disowned his son for being athiest.

I guess I should just ask though; How do you plan on raising your children to love God without forcing them? And what if it fails? What if your child turns athiest despite your teaching?

I wouldn't teach my children such a thing because yes, I do see that as forceful. Children are programmed to listen to their parents and accept their beliefs, it is how the child obtains survival knowledge and skills and the things the child learns can be imprinted into memory for a very long time, even affect unconscious thoughts, if you train a child to be aware of their surroundings then after the child grows up it will be aware of it's surroundings without really trying. When we force religion down a child's throat and teach them that religion is worth as much as their own life we instill a possibly lifelong belief that could haunt the child. As an example, I know athiests who still fear hell, even after years of being deconverted, that's how damaging indoctrination can be.

[devilman666]

As for my children, in terms of religion, I will raise them the way my parents raised me, I will let them evaluate whatever they want and they can choose what they believe. However I will try to teach them rationality and scepticism, since I natually don't want my child joining a cult or anything, I need to give them methods to use to decide whether they are being manipulated, as well as to evaluate the truth of something. I hope that such methods will protect them, but in the end their belief is their belief and I won't step into their religion unless they are experiencing serious damage as a result of it (for example they join a cult that demands 80% of your income or something like that).

Also, I don't despise faith. I dont know where you got that idea. I think faith is a bad argument, but I don't despise it.

[devilman666]

@Screenwriter wait... did you actually read verses that I linked? I was confused because it sounded like you were responding to something I said but I couldn't figure out what. I feel like most christians ignore the verses I quote and assume they know the bible better because they rarely seem to directly respond to those parts of the bible.

Yes, it was not nice to be a slave, big surprise. You could take a female indentured servant as your wife and therefore she wouldn't leave after 7 years, you could find a wife for your indentured servant and then either he serves you for life or he gets to leave knowing that you will legally own his wife and any children they had. And that's indentured servants the Israelites who were priviledged enough to be released after 7 years, they had a provision in the bible saying not to rule over Israelites ruthlessly, the real slaves had it worse. The real slaves came from the nations around Israel, they were owned for life and passed on to children as inheritance. They could also be beaten if they didn't die within a day or two exodus 21:20-21.

[Psychoanalytical]

Beautiful.. i hope i can reunite totally with God and i hope i can find the person in which i will see God.

[Secretgardenblood]

Good take

[JohnAlaska43]

Thank you we all need to humble ourselves before God.

[Nadim171]

Amen! Nice to see another Christian on here.
I just don't know why you still use yahweh toug

[devilman666]

Many christians do, what you call him mostly depends on your denomination of christianity. Protestants are a decent example of this, but essentially denominations that uses a more literal old testament view typically call him by a hebrew name. Mormons call him Jehovah. Some denominations call elohim.

[DaniRelle]

This is real I felt everything you said.

[Nic1330]

Preach brother preach!

[Dchrls78104]

Interesting. Bravo. 👋👏

[ImagineSketchy]

So, are you a Jew or a Christian?

[tartaarsaus]

If he was a Jew, he wouldn't even have this title of his MyTake.

[tartaarsaus]

*religious Jew

[ImagineSketchy]

Why do you say that?

[tartaarsaus]

Because we Jews never utter the word of God, nor even write it down

[tartaarsaus]

*name

[ImagineSketchy]

Interesting how the branches of a singular religion have such different beliefs and mannerisms. You are odd creatures. Humans in general. Very odd.

[ShadowofRegret]

Amen to that!

[goodlongman]

WOW nice poem

[Imhot467]

Hmmm