hormones are not an excuse for anyone!!! never!!!We are human being not animals! What's the problem with the world?We sure have instinct but we are even sentient being, and this is the main difference between us and animals...If you can't control instinct you're a dangerous animal... and that's the way you should be treaten..But it's not someone else's fault if YOU can't control yourself!
@Andreadeb Sure it is not which is why we control them like what I said. When did I say we shouldn't?
@Andreadeb When all I'm saying is to take precaution because there are people who can't resist but I'm not saying give them justice. If a man groped her boobs then he can get arrested. Also a harm for the girl because while he's arrested, she already had her boobs groped (as if it's a big deal). It's harms both genders and a fair trade indeed. If she don't want that, she can just cover. It's not that hard right?
so... why don't we "teach" men not to grope women instead of cover women?
@Andreadeb Isn't arresting a man for groping her a lesson enough? You don't see a girl being arrested for slapping her boyfriend on her PMS a lot while you're only saying men needs a lesson for it?
@Andreadeb That has been under the law book and men are well aware of that through the years. There are sex educations as well. "so... why don't we "teach" men not to grope women instead of cover women?" <-- Because do you think men in general do that? I mean men in general have the hormones but do they really take actions? How delusional
So another question is why do they have to cover their pussies when they take a piss in public?
None of us are suckling from women's breasts. If we ALL were, and women went around naked from the waist up, no one would care.
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How would you feel if you had a young boy stare at you while you were breastfeeding? Would you be freaked out? Would you be more disgusted if it was a grown man?
@Dog20 I didn't care if anyone stared at me. I have a older son and he always seen
Offer him a suck he might be hungry also
Just put a few chairs in the bathroom. I don't see why mothers need that extra space. Fathers manage to feed the kids when they go out with them.
@nathanp97 I hope you're kidding. Feeding the child in a nasty stinking washroom? Ewwwww
Most washroom in malls aren't that bad. + it isn't like you're feeding the baby on the floor or anything.But you seemed to have mist my point about fathers managing. I'll extend an olive branch. If women are to be given a place to breastfeed in malls. Men should be given a place to hid out, while their women shops. You always here stories of the guys just sitting on the bench while their wife goes around for hours shopping.
Wow ok I didn't know men require privacy when waiting for their woman to be finished with her shopping. Why do you need a room for that? Does she take your pants away with her that you can't stand being only in your underwear around other people or something? What do you need that privacy for huh?
So we can hang out with other guys all in one location and talk. Sitting for hours on a bench by yourself sucks. And the privacy let's men talk about whatever they want, without having to be judged. Also is it not sexist to create space just for women where men aren't allowed and not have any space for the men?
@nathanp97 Fine, do whatever you want, I'm done here. Can't really discuss with someone that stupid.
How am I stupid? I'm having a civil discussion, while you're resorting to name calling.You don't seem to understand that sexism happens both ways, and that women aren't entitled to more space than men. You don't seem to be able to see things from a male perspective. And feminists wonder why so many men don't support the movement.
@nathanp97 it's not sexist when women want a nursing room. Men don't breastfeed. Why do men need a nursing room then?
So they can wait somewhere comfortable with other guys, when the wives ditch them for hours to shop. Why do women need a nursing room, when fathers manage to feed their babies without breastfeeding. You act as if ownly women can take their babies out alone because men can't feed them. Men do and can; they just need to prepare and plan in advance. Why can't women do the same?
@nathanp97 oh gosh how dense can you be?You don't need a nursing room if you're feeding ordinary food. But women who breastfeed babies need nursing rooms. And an infant should be exclusively breastfed for the first six months after birth.Seriously, understand that breastfeeding is NOT the same as feeding other baby foods then talk to me.
Never said it would be a nursing room. Just a room for guys to hang out when the women go shopping. Men still feed babies in the first 6 months; they just use a bottle. A bottle every once in a while won't kill them, and you can always fill a bottle with your breast milk. Do you not get it? Men have to feed young babies to, and not every mother is capable of breastfeeding, yet they still manage to feed their babies. Instead or trying to get companies to give you a space to breastfeed, why not try planning out in advance a little. Guys do it, and so do other women. It isn't rocket science. + babies tend to be on a rough schedule, of when they eat. If you feed a baby they likely won't be hungry for a few hours. Once you know your kid it is easier to plan around it.
The difference is a guy won't care if you stare at his chest, a girl will. I have no problem with girls showing their brests as long as they don't get upset when people stare at them.
@nathanp97 Why are you staring though? You can't even see most it, since the baby's head is in the way.Honestly, you're 22yrs old. There are 11yr old boys who grow up in villages where women are topless and pretty much naked, who can decipher a sexual situation from a natural one.Do you stare when dogs have their boobs out feeding their puppies? If your mom was breastfeeding your infant sibling, you would stare?No you dont, and no you wouldn't, because in your mind, it's not sexual.A baby suckling its mothers boob is not sexual. Its actually pretty fucking weird lol
@nathanp97 Sorry to make that personal, I though it said, "upset if you're staring at them." As in you being actual you.Anyway it's weird that men would stare. In liberal ass Colorado, women whip em both out to feed their kids in restaurants, and no one bats an eye.In fact, everyone purposely ignores it, as if it isn't even happening out of respect. I'm sure there are some weirdos who look, but she has a right to be upset, since its rude to stare and make a big deal over something so natural.We didn't put boobs on our chest, nor make milk come out of them so... blame nature lol
? You do realize I was referring to women walking around topless, right? You said girls get turned on when they see shirtless men, and you were wondering why it was okay for men to be shirtless but not women. I'd have no problem with women walking around showing off their breasts if they didn't get offended if s guy stares. You don't see guys freaking out when it happens or calling women out. In the specific case of breastfeeding women should try to cover up or do it in a less busy area. It makes some people uncomfortable, so if you don't at least try you are kinda being an ass, because you aren't taking into account other peoples feelings. I'm also not convinced women need to do it in public, in most cases. Men feed babies who are still nursing when they go out alone, so women can do the same. They can prepump if they want, and babies tend to have a schedule of when they are hungry. If you feed a baby well it likely won't be hungry for a few hours, and as a parent you should hopefully learn that. But just to be clear, I don't have a problem with women breastfeeding, as long as they try to take precautions to make people feel less uncomfortable.
If this is about consideration, then people who tell a person to compromise a very basic part of their nature, because it makes them "uncomfortable," really have no consideration.Consideration means to "be careful not to inconvenience others."Let's see what's more inconvenient:A: Omg, I am just so uncomfortable emotionally that she is breastfeeding her baby in public. Like you can see part of her boob. Gross!B: My baby needs to eat again, I'm sorry I have to stop eating with my family, pick up my child, hurry to the restroom that is probably full, so I'll have to stand there for 30 mins while he eats."Excuse me grandmother coming to visit for the last time before dying of cancer, I have to not inconvenience anyone by feeding my child as nature intended, because boobs make people uncomfortable."Whose really being inconsiderate?Person A for sure.How can you make an entire gender inconvenience themselves because a baby suckling its mother... as nature intended, makes you uncomfortable?That's some really prude spoiled shit. And immature. We know what breasts are for, and the fact that a grown adult feels uncomfortable with science in feeding young mammal children?Very rude.Very immature.Very - inconsiderate.
@nathanp97 As far as pumping goes - booba dont just make milk 24-7, and pump suction sometimes won't stimulate the mammary glands.It can take hours, and starts to hurt a lot. Babies eat every 30-2hrs, which means in a 12-18hr period of wake, you would need 6-32 bottles worth of feeding.6 may not be terrible if you have a small eater, but 32 of them?Let's say you just want 3 bottles for the time you're out in the day - be about 1-4 hrs of pumping, depending on flow.What if your flow is low before you have to leave? Your baby just goes hungry because it makes you feeding it while in a restaurant with your dying grandmother, makes some people uncomfortable?That's really sad that some people are like that.It really makes me feel shitty as a woman, that I can't even provide nourishment to my own child, naturally, because some people can't handle nature.Its seriously not breastfeeding that's the issue, it's the immature perversion people have made out of it.And how is that a nourishing mothers problem?It's a good thing more and more women are feeding in public, so people can break away from relying on society to teach them how to discern and think for themselves.
Using formula every once is a while isn't a big deal. You act like it is the end of the world. How do you think fathers handle going out alone with their baby? Also why are you spending hours shopping when you have a young baby? You could always do it in your car. But like I said as long as they try to hid it it doesn't really matter. Some people feel uncomfortable with it, so any decent person would make the effort to cover up or go to a less crowded area.
There's a lot of boob. My son nursed with his eyes closed. Once he was latched on, it wouldn't have mattered if he was under a foot of snow. He was going to drink. I think it's considerate because they're sexualized in this culture. If we were in a naked native culture it wouldn't matter. We aren't.
@Screenwriter one of my kids was like that, two weren’t. They vary. As for amount of boob showing their mother was always wearing nursing tanks and tbh most people saw none while latched.
The amount of boob showing is as varied as the women breastfeeding. Some have discreet tops, others let it all hang out. It's why it bothers folks to some extent.
Public bathrooms are gross, and trying to carry a bottle everywhere can be inconvenient, and if you're lactating and you haven't nursed for a while it can be very painful. If you dont like it dont look
Walking around naked, having sex in public, or publicly urinating also causes harm to nobody, and yet there are laws against those acts.When you share public space with others, you should be mindful of them because they have as much of a right to use that public spaces as you do."If you don't like it, don't look" wouldn't fly with any other violation of public decency, and I fail to see why breastfeeding should be any different.
Because breastfeeding involves feeding children, rather than anything sexual or unsanitary
Urinating in public can cause diseases, and having sex in public was stopped because no children wants to see someone boning the shit out of some slut who couldn't wait to get home.
@kyatra According to studies, 33 to 50 percent of breastfeeding mothers described breastfeeding as erotic, 8 percent of breastfeeding women have experienced an orgasm during breastfeeding and staggering 75 percent of those who have admitted to perceiving breastfeeding their own children as erotic claimed they do not feel ashamed for it.So, how can you be sure that any particular breastfeeding woman isn't an exhibitionist who does this for personal gratification?
Do you think you could provide a link to these studies?
@kyatra Sure.This article naturalparentsnetwork.com/.../#fn-25877-1 seems to quote this study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10907332 .Admittedly, I don't have full access to the article, so I can't confirm whether it truly mentions those numbers (since it's not mentioned in the abstract).But judging that it was posted by a concerned mother, and validated by over 20 more concerned commenters on that article, you should get the point.Of course, the commenters in that article mostly describe it as a disturbing and guilty experience, but you can imagine how many don't.
This, this right here. Look away, it's so simple!
My mother never breast fed me... she said I ruined enough of her body :(
I've heard that before. What most women don't understand is that their bodies return to normal much faster if the mother breast feeds her baby. With the availability of instant baby formula many people believe there is a choice. But modern science can't even come close to replicating human milk. And if they could it would be so expensive and so perishable that only the very richest people could afford it. I was only breast fed for a few weeks and then developed allergies. They didn't have formulas back then so beleive it or not, my doctor recommended jello. Warm liquid jello is what I got in my bottle until I could eat solid food.
That sounds yummy. Now I want jello.
How did you feel in that moment? She didn't insult or humiliate you in anyway...She was doing something had nothing to do with you, nothin not hygienic for a bar/pub/restaurant... That's only YOUR problem not HERS
@Andreadeb As a waiter I'm suppose to make eye contact with everyone I serve for. And like I said breast feeding isn't bad or wrong, it's natural but that doesn't mean I can't feel uncomfortable.
I know a few people who do
Bc you aren't feeding a baby when you whip out your Weiner. Eating is natural n a mom n baby shouldn't have to go to the bathroom to do so. Public places should either create breast feeding rooms or everyone can get over a mom feeding her baby!
pee it's not hygienic... that's why there are specific places to do that
Do you drink your pee?
@Imcmullan You shouldn't have to go to the bathroom, just cover the baby and your breast. Christ its like a blanket is a mystery or something
@kim45456 Do you set your baby in the toilet bowl to assume the right breast feeding position? Why don't we stay on topic of what is and isn't natural. Peeing is natural, breast feeding is natural, but we still (OUT OF RESPECT OF OTHERS) cover or shield ourselves from others.
I suppose covering isn't hard, however it can get hot for the baby. I am a mom who breast fed so I actually know that seeing my baby with sweat on her face while breast feeding made me sad so, I'd go to the bathroom while out... n yes, I used the thinnest coverings for her. It's a natural thing to breast feed... should I assume you don't check women out who wear booty shorts or low cut tops? funny how people see fit for women to wear revealing clothes yet, they have an issue with a woman having her breast partially exposed while feeding her child. ITS NATURAL.. doesn't get more natural than this.
@Imcmullan no ofc I check girls out, esp when they start wearing revealing clothes. And I'm sorry to say that guys are definitely going to check girls out when they start pulling off their top in public to feed their kid without covering. Trust me, I'm a guy. I'm curious how thick the blanket is that you use which would raise the temperature of the baby to such a level that would cause them to sweat aside from the outside temperature already being too high that would cause the baby to sweat.
I'd never use anything heavier than a swaddle blanket... no mom with any sense would. N Maybe mom's shouldn't have to be concerned with men not being able to sexualize a baby being fed. I'm going to go out on a limb here n say, I'm sure the purpose of breas are to feed.
@Imcmullan its not about a baby being fed, its your bare breast. Men are attracted to it and you're not going to police biology. You can't have your cake and eat it too; either live with guys getting bothered by you lifting up your shirt in public or cover it. Don't get passive aggressive over it, say what you mean and mean what you say. If you think you know how its like to be a guy more than I do then tell me
Oh wow, how about you understand what its like to be a mom with a baby. You're biological reaction should automatically be turned off when u see a breast exposed bc of breast feeding. N speaking of science- a mom giving her baby nutrients by breast feeding is natural science. Try getting over yourself, its about the baby not your boner you can't control bc u see a titt. N I'm not being passive aggressive... I'm being blunt, if I've offended you- I happen to give 2 shits... how's that for saying what I mean?
@Imcmullan Oh men's biological (i. e. NATURAL) reaction should what? Can you say that again? Are you trying to play God as a person of my "equal" (clearly my opinion as a man is wrong)? I'm literally informing you of how guys are, thereby trying to protect you from us AND save us from the awkwardness of having to deal with the situation that biology forces us into. Again, you can't have your cake and eat it too, but you also can't play God because you don't like something.As far as I see it, you have a harder time dealing with a dude getting bothered by seeing boobs (which is also natural!!!) than I do trying to protect you from it, so go ahead and shoot yourself in the foot! Hilarious hahaha!
Why you can't just be respectful in front of a baby who HAS TO eat every like 2-3hours... and a mom who HAS TO take care of him, and putting all her energy into that... Probably she slept only 3 hours that night and feels very tired...You CAN'T compare your boner, with the needs of a baby! They're both natural but how can you even think they are the same thing?You are (at least supposed to be) sentent, not an animal!If you (impersonal) can't control your instinct you should be treated like dangerous animals... in cage!
@Andreadeb Ok, so which do you pick? Have respect for those around you and cover the baby in a thin blanket while you feed it, or whip out your boob for everyone to see thereby making every man uncomfortable and chastise men for being men AND call yourself a victim for a situation you put yourself in? Hey man, i'm not sure how much you've been beaten down in life but it is Ok to be a man. I beat the hell outta myself for having any inappropriate thoughts when I was younger due to double standards and bs fed to me by women. You can stop the charade of appealing to women because "I have control over my instincts", because to a certain extent you don't. But it's cool how a man being bothered by something attractive is considered impolite, not respectful and uncouth YET at the same time you argue "its natural" YET AGAIN arguing that a woman feeding her baby is natural and PERFECTLY FINE. That's a triple fkn standard you just threw out there dude!
You get turn of babies sucking breasts? You even dont see nipple and everywhere is posters aka advertising of naked women on walls. I also get turned on by attractive men. So should they cover their faces or chests? If you have a high libido then you should go to a doctor.
You get turn of babies sucking breasts? Are you a pedo? You even dont see nipple and everywhere is posters aka advertising of naked women on walls. I also get turned on by attractive men. So should they cover their faces or chests? If you have a high libido then you should go to a doctor.
@kim45456 Yet again your argument takes what I say VASTLY out of context for shock value. "You don't even see it" I see it plenty for those wanting to make a statement in public. Again, i don't care, dig yourself a grave but you have no one to blame when things happen that you don't like as a consequence to your choices. I guess a blanket is too complicated for ya, isn't it?
Then cover your chest too or your whole body i dont want get distracted by your ugliness
@kim45456 Sure thing sweety : )
Simple solution 👍🏻😅😅😂😂😂
It's not stopping you from breastfeeding. You're just not showing anything you shouldn't.
you say that probably because you never had to do that...take care of a baby is exhausting, and the moment he needs to eat he is not asking gently, he is crying terribly loud! And probably you slept only 3 hours that night... in that moment you only want to feed him, and stop crying, YOU don't care anymore of your nipple on a train 😅BUT a mom could even feel unconfortable with that... but she should wear it only if SHE doesn't feel good with that, for HERSELF not for the rest of the world... she is too tired/busy to take care even of the rest of the world.
Thou some Men would sit there and look at her bare breast while she breastfeed her baby
Why does it have to be done in public?Umm, so you're telling be you've never eaten in public? You've never been to a restaurant or fast food place? You're telling me you've never been out and about then gotten peckish so bought yourself a snack?If you've done any of those things, then there's your answer
Not sure what you think has changed? My kids are between 10-20 years old now and all got breastfed in public a ton with zero comments and few people noticing really.
50 years ago women stayed at home more instead of walking out in public and doing shopping with their infants... so the issue comes up.
Eating in public and breast feeding in public is same think?You been smoking or in visited another feminazi meeting?Any those troll comments or low IQ comments can just skip this opinion, you have no respect to other peoples opinion and not able to construct proper conversation without brainwash slogans or examples, that you follow only because you been told about them in holly feminazi meetings.
58 It is probably area were you live...Where I lived only started noticing it last 5 years.SWInteresting point, but I'm sure they still had walks in park and occasional milk or newspaper runs to corner shop.
Why do you get bothered by babies gettinb fed?
It is not a fashion. It was done before in other countries
56 It can be done in private as I wrote before.The only excuse I can find to do it in public is fashion or some feminazi brainwashing.I'm not answering same question asked from other angle any more.
I totally agree