Standards and morals are subjective, other individuals are not obliged to conform to religious morals. Sex and nudity are natural nothing wrong with it.
Standards and morals are not subjective. There is a wrong and there is a right. Nothing to do with religion, and nobody said anything about sex and nudity not being natural. Don't put words in people's mouths. Nobody have to confirm to what you do either. You just want be involved with people you claim you do. It's pervesed and wrong to do that to other people. Thays how you men especially up hurt and bitter with women.
Morals are subjective otherwise slavery will be legal, once wearing bikinis were obscene. Their is whole branch of philosophy called Ethics which deals with exactly that. No one was putting words in anyone's mouth, you're entitled to your opinion, and I was merely expressing mine, as I completely disagreed common sense, standards and morals being trampled. Like you said you do you, if that was true nothing was being trampled on as anyone is free to live their own life including you and me.No idea what you mean here: "You just want be involved with people you claim you do. It's pervesed and wrong to do that to other people. Thays how you men especially up hurt and bitter with women. "
@Oram52 Everyone is affected by it, including you. What you think is normal is not normal when it affects and hurts others. The problem is most people don't care who it hurts and affects until it eventually hurts and affects them. Then that is when they want to holler and scream and no one is going to listen. "Morals are subjective otherwise slavery will be legal" Morals are NOT subjective. Slavery is not moral but yet in still, we are all slaves to sin if we don't have Jesus. We are all slaves to a system that was set up down here that many are in agreement with. Your job, your school, your family, etc. "once wearing bikinis were obscene. " Bikinis are exactly what it is, bra and panties to wear to the beach for the summer. It is designed to sexualized women. Period. Hence why I would never wear it. Most women who do wear it do so to get attention from men. Rarely to get a good tan or because they are too hot during a summer day. "Their is whole branch of philosophy called Ethics which deals with exactly that." And you do realize that we are not to follow the philosophies of the world as they will find ways to corrupt moral compasses of everyone? This is not my opinion, it is a fact. This is why we have broken systems down here and people think changing up authority figures would fix them. It won't. Because people at the end of the day doesn't care. Why do you think MeToo gain a strong ground? That is a prime example of morals being compromised every single day. The problem is with you people, you only pay attention when it's a wake-up call to affect YOU in the end.
No its exactly your opinion NOT your fact. We are NOT slave to sins if we don't accept Jesus. One many religions exist, secondly there might not have been someone named Jesus. Thirdly not everyone believes in superstition. Again there is NO such thing as sexualization, its natural. If that was the case even women fully covered are found attractive. Its only traditional religious view point that makes something natural as nudity and sex as obscene or dirty. Before Christianity and Islam many cultures had positive views towards sex and nudity. Bible has a lot of unsavoury stuff which thankfully we don't follow. Philosophy means trying to use rationality to discern right and wrong, moral philosophy or ethics in this case. We are under no obligation to follow any religious doctrine, Christianity morals are by no means any superior not anyone obligated to follow such things. No one is harming anyone, laws exist to prevent that. Its freedom and liberty. Secularism is there for a reason otherwise we'd still be in dark ages. Morals are indeed subjective, otherwise you'd offer more than blindly following fairy tales.
Well I am sorry to burst your bubble it's not my opinion. It's very much is a fact a lot of people just don't want to see. And yes we are slave descends especially if we don't accept Jesus. Religion have nothing to do with his being said it's just exactly what it is. Secondly you cannot go around saying might not have nothing when it simply the fact of your False Consensus bias because you don't want to believe that Jesus existed. And he's very much is alive today. And no I have nothing to do with Superstition. It is what it is. Whether you choose to believe in it or not is irrelevant. What matters is that you are knowledgeable and understanding it.And yes it is such thing as cephalization. That's not what's natural. God had made a sexual beings yes. But has everything to do with the fact of what you choose to do with it. And when you sexualize somebody you are not only directing your desires out them, you're potentially hurting them. Is that person said they don't like it, and you still do it, then you are guilty of what you chose to do. That can be considered a crime. Has nothing to do with traditional religious views. It is what it is. And no, nudity is natural, sex is natural. But when you doing things that is beyond human mean then that is not only abnormal, it is dirty. And first of all no. Nobody had positive views about sex and nudity. You are either being animalistic with it, or you weren't. Every society understood what the boundaries were. But many Pagan belief systems did what they wanted they didn't care who is abused or hurt.Again no. The Bible talks about our history that have nothing to do about what is unsavory. We have our textbooks that talks about our unsavory history, yet we follow it. And philosophy does not mean trying to rationally to discern right from wrong. Philosophies are just that, ways of beliefs. It has no to do with it.
You realize that you are following religious Doctrine every single day of your life. It may not be what you think is religious but it's still none the less religious anyway. There is no such thing as Christianity morals. Morals are morals. God is the one that is in control. But you don't have to follow it. But you would just be punished by those things that are according to his law.The Lord exists to actually be broken. It's not living, and it's not Freedom. Hence why your Liberty and freedom is being taken away every single day if you actually pay attention to the news. Secularism is not there for a reason. Secularism is there to deter people for the things that are good. Is not subjective, it's not blindly following Fairy Tail. You ought to learn to heed what life has to offer or you don't. And when you don't there are consequences. This is why we get sick, why people go to jail, this is why some people end up dead, this is why a lot of people end up unhappy. It is what it is. What you're basically saying is that you are a lawless man, and you don't believe there's any such thing as actual real punishment. You cannot say that laws exist to prevent things, but meanwhile you do the very thing that hurts others and not give a damn either? So either you're not thinking about the things that you're actually saying or you're actually being a hypocrite. One or the other. Everything that the word of God teaches us is right there being revealed right in front of us every single day. It's up to you to pay attention. But don't pay attention, then you can't complain about why things are being done the way it's done. Because sooner or later we are going to have a one-world religion, and it's happening faster than you think. And the thing is you are the comply or you're going to die. Because guess what? The very people that you trust more than you trust the Lord, are very people that's going to implement it and you're going to be the fool to believe it.
People like you are just helping to speed up the process.
Such things as sexualization*
Women and men covered are attractive. The fact that you think nobody isn't attractive, says a lot about you as a person. Can't go around talking about morals when you hypocritically start talkin about what shouldn't be attractive according to you. Covering yourself up and not sexualizing other people it's out of love and out of respect. Not to change or shame someone's sexuality. But to protect your eyes, and to protect the innocent eyes of others. Not to have perverse thoughts, because you might as well make rape legal. Think long and hard about the things your saying.
You all are grown man, you are not a child. It is expected that a child doesn't know better. But a grown man is. God created sex, he created us, and he created things in this life. No where in the Bible has he ever said that it's disgusting. But when you choose to take his gifts and you be filthy with it, and other get hurt because of your chocies, then you will be held accountable. If nobody was getting hurt, we would not be seeing people getting raped, we would not be seeing children being born out of wedlock and don't even know who the father is, we would not be seeing people getting abused, divorce rate so high, so many heartbroken people, Etc, all because you were abused as a gift. The water God warns of these things. So if anybody wants to listen they're smart. Anybody that turns a blind eye, can't complain when something happens. God have Eyes, and ears. He is not stupid. There is a reason why those Nations got destroyed and God allow those Nations to be lost to history. We of the modern age is sadly not too far off. And there was a good reason why he says my people perish for the lack of knowledge. This world is perishing right before your eyes because people like you refuse to listen. And poor innocent children have to be born into this world that didn't ask to be born, can't even get a good chance at life because this world is already polluted and toxic. Say what you will but I refuse to be blind to reality.
The law exist to actually be broken*
You just went on a rant? Nothing. Just same thing god god god blindly follow blah blah. Literally just gibberish. If you had something to contribute you'd specifically mention that instead of glossing over and trying to shout over. You'd be able to provide actual reasoning without us having to blindly follow fairy tales. Instead of just shouting through paragraphs after paragraphs if you had something to actually contribute, you'd provide specific examples and actually provide alternative reasonign to points raised, without just spamming.Something that doesn't exist why would that need to be followed? We have not broken anything, it doesn't exist to begin with. That's my point its your narrative, which you are absolutely free to follow, but it NOT universal. Even Christianity has different factions like Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox etc, who contradict each other. If the law was "divine" why the disagreements? These are your morals which you are free to live by in a free society. But its NOT common sense, these are your standards and morals and that's it, they have no inherent universal value to everyone. Sex and nudity are natural, and everyone is free to follow whatever standards or morals they want to abide by.
Look, I don't care what your childish reasoning is. You obviously have some pent up issues for you to still be replying back with your nonsense. After reading your other replies and main opinion, you are just biased who is upset many are not falling your your mindset. And no, these nothing to do with MY morals. Or my standards, or beliefs. We would not have certain laws in place if that is the case. It is common sense, you just like it to be where you don't feel guilty for doing wrong. I am pretty sure others told you the same. So you are not fooling anyone here. Nobody here is spamming anything. People like you just refuse to listen to anything because you don't want to listen. So once again if you don't like what I have to say please butt out.
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Good point. I point blame at the 'Hit Me Baby One More Time' song for making a Catholic school girl outfit sexual. Its disgusting. This is a school uniform that adults are turning sexual :(
Top 3 reasons why you're wrong and also a dickhead:1. Men are using the same dating tactics they have used in thousands of years ago, liking a girl for how big her boobs are, if she has curves. We like tall how s because since the stone age they were more likely to be able to provide us with food and protect us. You like big boobs because they are more likely to feed a baby and you like hips because they show the woman has gone through puberty and can supply a child. 2. Modelling is a hard, hard job that takes actual skill and there are just as many male models and no one complains about that. We already have so many doctors and teachers, let people model if they want.3. If you physical bashing, 84% of all rape victims are female with the highest rate occurring in girls aged between 10 and 14 years old. And men perpretrate 78% of all reported sexual assaults. If you're talking mental bashing, yes women do gossip to each other but guys do too and if you think they don't, open your eyes.
I have never said men are pure...Men gets mentally and physically abused by women much too. Most of the time they just don't admit. Women leech off men in divorces their money , kids.. Women date the same bad guys that abuse them and shame men who respect them calling them nice guys. But they love to complain about those bad men to those guys later...Another problem is that you women can't hold an argument without getting personal. That's why people don't wanna take you seriously. As you have already done here without even knowing me personally...You would be surprised how many rape cases are actually fake...I have an personal experience...A girl once my friend , came to me claiming she was raped/molested by a guy... I helped her and tolerated all the drama , police and all stuffs. Later found out it was all consensual.. and had to go though a lot of police drama afterwards...
I agree. Males and females are basically incompatible. If you get horny, set up a gloryhole.
How are we oppressing you?
I appreciate your honesty, male. Agreed, women do need to wake up. They're too forgiving for their own good.
"we would've killed you all off" imagine being this much of a psychopath
Or give men a legal say-so in abortion rights or opting out of fatherhood... Equality goes out the window REAL fast, there!
Yep. It's sad TBH.
That downvote is a bit unfair:You said "Is it the fault of men for sexualizing and objectifying women, or is it the fault of women for not standing up against it?"So the first part is: "Is it the fault of men for sexualizing and objectifying women" - Which directly puts men at fault,Other choice: "or is it the fault of women for not standing up against it?" - Which "It" being choice #1 boils down to giving the exact same choice but with an illusion of a different perspective.It's an unfair question, and therefore an unfair down-vote, so you should take it back :)
Ok I'm curious, how often do you get sexualized? Like how often in a year?
@angeliquedevereux2 ... Well not keeping count but... roughly 3-5 times a month someone honks or shouts rubbish. So 36 times a year - 60 times a year. But it gets worse during the summer and I've no idea why.
Guys get popular by singing about how many women they've slept with and women get popular by waving their ass around. Sex controls our society, and it's hard to find celebrities who haven't had nudes leaked or something like that. But are you really blaming women for doing what they have to do to get their name out there in Hollywood or should you be blaming the people endorsing that and making that and making their methods profitable?
They have to do?
@angeliquedevereux2 Sex sells because its our instincts, absolutely nothing wrong with sex or nudity, its natural, nothing to be ashamed off. Its only conservative religious folk or feminists who have problem with it, feminists who then also turn around and complain about slut shaming and go on slut walks.
A girl bending down to pick up something, a girl jumping, a girl jogging... are we doing these things on purpose for you to look at our ass or to stare at our chest? No.
@angeliquedevereux2 Yes, because its NATURAL!!Women do it too, my friends make comments. Just go top youtube and look for videos objectification of men. Its natural. How do you know women don't like the attention? Look at instagram go to any club. Objectification is just feminist pseudo-intellectual BS, our innate instincts could care less what feminists think.
About 90% of women do not like being stared at for literally moving. And what do you mean by 'its NATURAL!!' This annoymous guy said we sexualize ourselves, I give a rebuttal basically saying that doing anything and guys will stare and you say 'its NATURAL!!' I genuinely have no idea what you mean.
@angeliquedevereux2 Majority women do like being admired, that's how biology works, women like attention and men like giving it. Women attract men, men pursue women. On the cover of men's magazines its women, on the cover of women's magazines its women. Fashion and makup are billion dollar industries. Desire for male attention is natural, that's what I meant. Its biological. Same way peacock is male of the species attracts females, humans as mammals its females who attract mate. Men pursue. Female bodies are designed that way, to grab attention not that women don't enjoy looking at male bodies, cover of romance novels being proof of that.The point was its natural because it is our instincts, that's how we are biologically programmed, survival of our species depends on it. Our instincts could care less what feminists think, instincts override pseudo-intellectualism. That's why sex sells. For decades feminists have been complaining about so called "objectification" yet it made absolutely no difference look at instagram or go to any club. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, its natural. No matter how much you pretend otherwise you do like attention from men too, as it is our instincts, if you didn't like attention from men. Men wouldn't act on their impulses and try come flirt.
Women complain when we look at themWomen complain when they dont get enough attentioncan't fuckkng win. Also women it's your fault if you stop going for fuck boys and treating average guys like they are the problem and you might get treated betterA fuckbly will leave you in an instant if a woman so much as stares at themAn average guy won'tYour choice
@angeliquedevereux2 All those things you just listed there are things WOMEN do, not things men do. I asked for examples of men sexualizing women and you didn't give any.Are you talking about men having sexual thoughts when they see a woman bending over? If so, that's purely human nature, and women do the same things. If you have a problem with men having sexual thoughts when looking at a woman then you are truly in deep trouble. Men can and will think whatever sexual thoughts come into their minds, but if they don't do or say anything about them then it causes no one any harm, and it's none of your business.So, help me out here... what exactly are you protesting? Can you give examples of men sexualizing women in a way that you should actually care about, and that actually happens more than rarely?
Camt win if your able bloke... too nice... your friendzoned, be a dick who wants to shag a lot... your a creep who treats women badly
@Be4rdy Who are you referring to?
Just women in general
@Be4rdy Ah, got it.
Inequality is not the same as unfair.
Your name is supercutebutt
@ilikewriting Your reading skills are getting better! :)
I might have misinterpreted your answer lol
Did you mean it was the question asker’s fault, or men’s fault?
@ilikewriting The asker of the question. Some of us have suspected her of causing gender inequality for years now.