As far as the "Parents shouldn't lie to their kids" line of reasoning, then by that logic we should be clamoring for Disneyland to remove their costumed characters. No one says to her five year old girl, "Look, there's a woman dressed up as Elsa!" or, "Look there's a man dressed up as Mickey Mouse!" No, they say," Look! There's Elsa!" or "Look! There's Mickey Mouse!" Does anyone *seriously* think that children's psyches are damaged when they find out it's *not* really Jasmine or it's *not* really Tigger? That's so silly to me that I can't even write it without laughing. Does anyone seriously think that a child's ability to confront reality with skepticism in adult life is really damaged by believing it's really Belle or really believing it's Captain Hook? What about all those birthday magicians? Do *they* damage children's psyches? Do they damage a child's ability to think skeptically? If you think so, then I'd like to see peer reviewed research demonstrating that it does.
I don’t think anybody thinks that.For me, I’m more on the line of morals. I realize it doesn’t hurt the kids.However, like with the Disney thing, imagination is great and is actually pretty needed, but it does not require lying. When kids go to Disney they know that the characters are fictional. Same thing. So I’m with you on everything you said, and I dont think there’s anybody who thinks it would hurt the kids in any way
Why would belief in Santa be any different? So I let kids figure it out for themselves... and they *ALWAYS* do. I've got a million stories about my students asking me about Santa, all of them heartwarming and funny! In my second or third year of teaching, a student (not mine, but a younger one) proclaimed, "I believe in Santa 'cause it's fun!"I replied, "Little dude, that is an AWESOME reason!"So around my third year of teaching, I figured out a reply that works like a charm. It is neither a lie nor a continuation of an erroneous belief, and it allows kids to learn to figure it out on their own. When asked, "Mr. [Bluemax], do you believe in Santa?" I reply, "You bet! But I don't believe in him the way many kids do. I don't think he lives at the North Pole. I think he lives here!" and I touch my heart.
I see your point.
By the way, Yads, I realize I'm probably taking this question *way* more seriously than it was intended. It's just that my experience as an educator of children makes this question very interesting to me.So yes, Yads, there *is* a Santa Claus... residing in my heart! And by the way, I AM A GIFT GIVIN' *SLAYER*!!!
I am so good at giving gifts to kids that my gifts get handed down from generation to generation! I am an American sniper (!) when it comes to child gift givin'! One shot, one overjoyed heart!!! I smile so smugly to myself every time a kid opens my gift and IMMEDIATELY claws it right out of the box, heart leaping, smile from ear to ear, forgetting all other presents they have to open!Yep, I'm that good. (smiling smugly)
It’s interesting to read the view of someone who teaches 5th grade :) perfect view because they’re right in the middle and they’re asking you. So I enjoyed reading this! Really, thanks!
I wouldn’t say it’s harder to teach, but I do agree with your overall point
Two separate things. The spirit of giving should always be present, not just at Christmas and not just represented by Santa. We should ALWAYS have the spirit of giving.
Right but since you only asked about Santa that’s all I referred to.
Thank you @Yads_Is_Back for the MHGirl pick. :)
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You can tell me and it’ll be our secret 🤫
I don't know what it is, I just know he has something for you
You have had children, correct?
@Bluemax yeah 2 so Santa was real... I was Santa or at least Mrs Claus 🤣
How did your children find out about the literal truth of Santa?
I receive :D
THAT doesn’t count.
I meant gifts. Where's your mind?
thinking about presents. Where’s YOUR mind?
Well there goes my Santa for this year. Thanks joeldalton 😂
Santa comes for the good girls.
You live in the North Pole and drive a sleigh with a reindeer named Rudolph?
I can't give away all my secrets. You'll find out Christmas morning like everyone else. 😉
Okay we'll see
Yes... but only if you've been good.
Forget it 😂😂
Forget what? Have you not been good? 😂😂
You're really asking me that 😂
I'm trying to work with you here. 👍 lol
Sooooooooorry Okay, what present do I get if I say yes?
This has the potential to go off the rails in a big time hurry. lol
If you're gonna be Santa you have to be nice too
That's very true. So what do you want for Christmas?
I don’t even know. I’m actually very thankful for everything I do have and don’t want to ask for more.
See? Despite what you said or feel, you are good after all.
You crazy 😂
Crazy for you babe
st. nicolas gave to the poor but he mostly did it in secret until people started realizing it was him. I forgot what city he originally came from and i'm to lazy to look it up online.
Duh. By biblical standards there is no way. People who say that are stupid
*Santa lol. Darn autocorrect
Lol I was scared to reply
Yeah, at first look, her profile pic too looks scary 😂😂😂
I spit out my coffee reading this. 😂😂😂
@NYCQuestions1976: Don't burn ya'l self. ☕
You’re a fucking blonde white guy and yet you’re muslim? 😂😂
Middle east is more diverse than you think buddy.
Santa was partly inspired by Saint Nicolas but they are quite different.
In reference to this question, that is wrong in so many ways lmao
Maybe but that is a real santa.
Of course to speaking in the context of a certain age and soul atuunement to this world, searching for the soulmate like always.
I didn't even grow up believing in Santa Claus. My parents wanted us to know that everything came from them.
I couldn't help reading below my comment a bit... those are some shitty parents.
@Dreamshards No, actually it means a lot more and I'm thankful they did it that way. They spoiled us, I assure you. They're both doctors. But to us it meant more that they were honest and that we didn't grow up thinking that it was some weird other guy giving us these things.
Hmm I understand your point but children have such a beautiful imagination that is actually harmfull to spoil it by telling them the cold truth. I couldn't help notice that you mention your parents are doctors? And now I must ask you what is the difference between a beggar and a king? There are many ways to spoil someone... sometimes not all of them involve material things. Also speaking seriously santa can come from so many places and can have so many faces that weird is not the right word. Of course your ego guides you towards the ideea that your parents did the right thing, probably their egos thought so to, I honestly think it is just a blunt thing lacking of any kind of imagination and magic, something every child needs.
@Dreamshards I believe it's just about HONESTY. Neither ego or material things, just the integrity not to make up a crazy story and lie about it for years. I agree that imagination for kids is good but it doesn't have to involve lying to them. if you even notice, most poor parents don't tell their kids the Santa Claus thing. So that ruins your pointless statement there.I'd rather be an honest person and who I am now than to be more imaginative and a liar.Also, if Santa was real or my parents had done it, my brother would've never got anything 😂
that statement about poor parents is very wide and not based on statistics, you would be amazed what statistics actually show. I really am an adept of honesty too, but sometimes honesty can just be a lack of actual imagination. Some lies are just innocent for example I would preffer to give snowflakes a soul and imagine that they dance while falling down then just tell my kid that they are frozen water that hit the ground. Honesty is like a spring wind that makes you resonate in a thousand of dimension, honesty is beautiful but I am afraid that the honesty you are talking about is rather brainwashing non-imaginative view of things. Of course I respect your view and your love for your parents but it just lacks of magic or soul or warmth.
@Dreamshards Statistics are no good here because how many parents do you know who get asked or take surveys asking if they play Santa or not? Lol this isn't a science-related thing. BUT even if it was, more rich parents play Santa than don't. So that STILL voids that pointless argument on your end.And again, imagination is always encouraged, but it does not require lying. I don't believe in innocent lies, just as I don't believe in cold fire. With the snowflake example you gave, I could understand saying to the kid, "Imagine that it has a soul - a deep meaningful soul - and just loves to fall dancing in the breeze of the slow wind. :) " Still imaginative. The thing about imagination is that it encompasses a different view of reality, a more expansive one. Reality is subjective, after all. However, the truth does not change. It is what it is; it's all a matter of HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.But sure, I'll agree to disagree.
Like when an author writes fiction. That's not lying because it is understood that it's not reality and it's a work of fiction. But if a kid doesn't know something and they are purposely led to believe something wrong...
Well yes sadly none of the parents take surveys on this... but I can tell you a lot of people still play Santa both rich and poor at least where I live. Yes you did stated a good point there reality is subjective but also reality is not nailed down. We all think we know how things are what is wrong or right, what is good or not, some things are surely like that but mostly humanity knows pretty much nothing about nothing even most of the science is just based on assumptions and blind views based on pillars that we think are true. That is why I think imagination is vital to everything even to discovery, new ideas, new ways to "see life". You know when santa is not a lie? when a grandfather actually has a long grey beard and warm eyes and he gives from the hearth. You know behind this lie that you like to underline there is a spirit of giving, there are all the values that a santa claus actually promotes, the kindness, the warmth, the love to give, to make others happy, I really don't know what to say such a difficult subject
And yes already writing your next paragraph again just gives my point a purpose... it is not necessarly wrong., some guy riding with raindeers in the sky is actually a beautiful thing to construct a part of imagination, hey maybe reins talk or there is a squirrel that rides on their back, or they come from other dimension or universe. A kid reading a work of fiction would surely believe at least half of it is true anyway even if he knows it is all fiction.
@Dreamshards That makes no sense. If he knows it's all fiction then he doesn't believe it's true. Truth and fiction are opposites.And by all means, lying is wrong. It's literally immoral.No, you haven't made a valid point yet. I've countered everything you've said and you've hit dead ends but haven't made a new one. I honestly don't care though. If you wanna believe lying, murder, immorality is wrong then by all means it's your life not mine. Really what we say here won't affect me nor you.
Yeah, it seems funny now to think about it. But I enjoyed it as a kid.
@Wise4myage hey, the guy changed his original opinion to anonymous 😂
Do you even dealt with kids? In a corner of their mind and maybe even more they will always think even fiction is true. Ohh you poor soul this is not about making a valid point, not even close, you associate a simple thing with extremes like murder which is sad. You know better what is inside you and how brainwashed you are about lying, I think lying is so relative sometimes that it can just make things more beautiful. It is like a peace I have inside that radiates light and love so I find it again, sad that you needed to bring murder in our conversation. See people usually try to stick to rigid rules because it gives them more safety if they have rules but nothing can actually be draw in this reality by rules it is such a fool illusion
In the end I believe you are just inexperienced in life and will someday hit your head on a wall to realize all this brainwashing you so faithfully speak about is just a lie and I did changed my opinion to anonymous because some people seem to have trouble to swallow some things, so I am better off but that desire to feel superior in your words to state like a kid "hey look this guy did that" says a lot about you.
@Dreamshards I babysitted from the time I was 14 until I moved out for college, so yes."In a corner of their mind and maybe even more they will always think even fiction is true." Not if they already know it's fiction. But if that fact is not known at first, sure they'll believe it. Same thing with Santa Claus. Once the truth is revealed it's more like ahhhh...Hey, if you think lying makes things more pleasant you do you lol I'm not stopping you 😂Yet you call me the poor one and say it's not about making a point when that's all you've been talking about. Read the very first sentence of your last comment. LmaoAgain, if lying makes things pleasant to you then hey go for it. I don't wanna influence how you live your life. Not my job or concern
Also I just think you get your parents up on a pedestal and you forget that humans are humans, maybe they loved you maybe they didn't for me personally I think they preffered the cold way of placing things and that doesn't make them wise at all rather just blunt and simple.
@Dreamshards not really. " i believe you are just inexperienced..." Well nobody asked you and you're not exactly experienced enough for the opinion to be considered."... says a lot about you." Only to you, as no one else has mentioned it. Again, nobody asked you lol
lol, too funny.
I just stopped reading. Same thing over and over.
I wanna see how much he's gonna keep going at this. He fails every time. You gotta have zero life and too much free time to keep trying at something you're bound to fail at 😂