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Not everyone wants to get married, but most do.
And the only reason I never cared is because deep down I was starting to not care about getting married especially since I don't really believe in weddings, so I guess after my early 20s I probably never cared anymore.
I’m referring to those who do want to get married. How a woman treats you should be qualified by how you treat her first. A lack of investment or trust in the form of a refusing to get married is usually a big red flag.
But on the opposite side of the coin, how a woman treats a man should inform how he treats her. And refusing to get married doesn't equate to a lack of trust or investment. One doesn't need to get married to commit to someone and just because someone's married doesn't mean that they're committed. Adultery is a thing.
If you have kids, would you be ok with those kids taking her last name?
Why should they take your last name if you don’t want to marry and make it legal? I mean you’re not giving birth and you want the kids to take your last name anyway?
Why should marrying be a prerequisite? You can legally change your last name without getting married. My sister-in-law's sister changed her last name to her partner's to whom she's not married.
That’s her choice but that’s the most foolish thing I’ve ever heard of. You want a woman to take your last name, you gotta earn that. Don’t be selfish.
You're not under the impression that a woman is obligated to take a man's last name when she marries, are you? Because there are plenty of women out there that keep their names. So marriage doesn't guarantee she takes your name and not marrying doesn't guarantee she won't. I hope this isn't the only 'benefit' that you had in mind because it's honestly falling pretty flat.
It’s certainly not the only benefit. I just wonder what the excuse is for not marrying. And what makes him so special that she and the kids should give away their rightful birth names to him and his legacy.
It’s better for a better man to be involved than the father that is a fuckboy but still, fuckboy should be tossed in the friend zone. Never had one in my pants.
As I said good luck with that. Both fuckboys and sluts were socially ostracised back in the days when women had no pills, no divorce laws to favour them and no slut propaganda. Women collectively would kick the slut out of the community to prevent her from fucking their husbands and take away their resources. Husbands would kick out the fuckboy to prevent him from turning their wives into sluts. No woman today will ever be able to go against the freedom of becoming a slut since she has the freedom to do so and an entire system with laws and state benefits to protect her if she fucks up.
They still did it. It was just more hush. The progress in society had only publicized what was already happening. I don’t buy into the glorification of the old days because relationships were just as shady. I certainly don’t admire my grandparents marriages, that’s for sure. I say, if you want to sleep around then sleep around. But just be honest with people you’re sleeping with. Don’t lead them on to think you’ll be loyal if you’re not.
I agree with the last part very much. Just be honest for fucks sake.
@MzAsh Wow, WTF? So it's better for a "better man to be involved than the father that is a fuckboy"? Better for who? The kids and "heroic" single mother, but not at all better for the guy (simp)? Boy, you are brutal in your cold and calculating extraction of resources.
I have a step dad who couldn’t have kids. He adopted my sisters and I as his own. He’s a really good man who I’m still close to even though my mom is passed away.
A contract with a 60% failure rate, with the "male party" to the contract bearing the overwhelming majority of "penalties".
I mean what does being married really change? Does it really matter if you are 30 years in a relationship or you have a 5 year relationship and you are married for 25 years.When your married you can still cheat? And in a relationship you can make babies and buy a house etc. You don't need to be married for it.
EXACTLY! REAL marriage is a partnership based on caring, excellent communication and trust, not a piece of paper.
I thought like you but after seeing single mums struggles i changed my mind. A guy who is married can't leave you that easy 'cause he knew things get serious and he also has to think about his family breaking up and divorce are also not the same thing.
I think more about my potential kids than myself.
Yeah. I also don't really want children in this world.Already too many of us here and the world is a little fucked up at the moment.
And if you have to make it difficult for the guy to leave he isn't the one girl. Leave his ass.
@hi_it_is_me123 i agree and disagree at the same time. I think marriage yes puts man on the hook and thats ok. But no man with a brain cell will put himself on a hook if the woman doesn't as well. The most obvious historical way was by giving him her virginity. Lol. Most women dont have that to offer marriage. Also the men with the most to lose financially have the most to gain by not marrying because many women would gladly date hook up or even give him kids. Only poor men have an decent deal at marriage these days.
Virginity isn't really anything you ca offer.It just means you never had a dick inside you nothing more nothing less.
The girl can always tell you she's e virgin. There's no way you could even know
Men disagree with you about its value. The marketplace decides. I've been with virgins and they behave completely different than non virgins. If you break up with a girl she cries if you break up w a girl who you took her v she acts like extreme terror like her lifes over. And i think its because subconsciously she knows she threw away something valuable.
But there are also a lot non gold diggers. Females who work hard for their own money and won't financially drain you.
Do you live on earth? No there isn't! Its a catch 22. A high earning woman won't make a bad divorce but why bother marrying her? Marriage is for children as @hi_it_is_me123 essentially hit on. A 33 year old woman might be as successful as me but she is extremely unattractive to have kids with. Marriage is to protect young women without earning ability so they can focus on kids. Its a practical thing.
No not really
If she acts like her life is over due to a breakup, she had incredibly low self worth. No woman should be in a relationship with that mentality.
Even though i am traditional when it comes to marriage and want to wait till marriage but I dont support the way you think. I also care about male virginity and so i would not marry a man who is not virgin but respect everyone who dont want to wait till marriage. People should do what them make happy.
@hi_it_is_me123 i respect a woman who waits till marriage and i respect a woman who doesn't. I do not respect a woman who doesn't yet whines about why men dont want to marry her and such. Everyone in the world knows many men who would get married would not marry a girl like that. Its the equivalent of a man who says he's going to be the next mark Zuckerberg while sitting on the couch playing xbox and never working or coming up with ideas. Thats just a bullshitter loser. So is the slut begging for marriage.
I don't believe in waiting till marriage. It's like buying an expensive perfume without knowing what it smells like.If it is bad you can't return it.If the sex is by you can't divorce him immediately..
But I'm not a slut either. I'm very picky with my partners.There has only been one where I had been in a relationship with for 2 years.The sex was the problem in the relationship because his sex drive was way higher than mine.
By the way i am against slutshaming. No woman/man is a slut except he/she cheated
@hi_it_is_me123 thats great you are against it. Just realize that one thing disqualifies about 90% of men and mostly the more desired side of the spectrum from wanting to be serious with you. And if you know that and think its right for you, well im glad! However if you find the perfect guy and when marriage comes up he goes baby i love you but no. Well dont whine about it because its no different than wannabe Zuckerberg loser.
Lmao? You are mad at me? Just because i am not into male cunts like you and only prefere virgins?
Wtf are you even talking about
@hi_it_is_me123 im not mad at you. What? Lol. I am annoyed by girls that aren't virgins expecting id marry them. Like 30 year old girls barking up my tree. Its like if your a hot 18 year old athlete girl and big fat obese men keep hitting you up like shouldn't they know they aren't your type? Wtf is a male cunt? Like a feminine beta man? Or a tranny? Lmao
Well, are you a virgin too? Let’s hope.
Why would i be a virgin?
People like you who fetishisize virgin way younger girls are male cunts. You are disgusting. Stop fetishisizing us. I would not want me only because of virginity. It is ok to to have preferences but what you do is not preference Anyway stop @ing.
@hi_it_is_me123 its not a fetish. I dont sit around masterbating thinking about virgins lmao. A woman who waits till marriage is the epitome of sexual morality. Men like me are competitive and want "the best". So obviously i want the most moral woman. And on the other hand virgins are least likely to divorce. Im rich. I have a lot to lose from divorce. Id only marry a virgin. Im not opposed to being with another girl seriously and having kids. I just won't marry her. Too big a risk. Not proud enough to stand in front of everyone and admit i didn't get the best. And still she can't be a slut.
Why? So you’re not a raging hypocrite is why. Virgin women want men who are virgins too. They don’t want some asshole who’s messed around but expects her to be a virgin. Forget that. Women shouldn’t tolerate the sexual double standard.
And how dare women want successful men when they aren't successes themselves. 🙄
@MzAsh Yes, I agree with you so much. As a virgin girl, I prefere virgin men
But they do and i like it 😊
There was no way I was going to lose my virginity to a guy who wasn’t also a virgin. And he was actually younger than me. You couldn’t catch me dead with a 30 something at 19.
Well not all girls think that way. Just like not all guys think like me. I can have lots of sluts why would i commit to one slut? I need someone better than a slut.
But why would a virgin want to commit to you?
Probably because what i think she's doing waiting for marriage is valuable and special and would appreciate it. Usually virgins i date say 99% of guys dont find waiting valuable or seem to like that about them instead wishing to have premarital sex. Vigins have told me if they do it with me they know it will be good and have concerns about being with a male virgin who might suck.
How do you show your appreciation? Why haven’t you committed to one of them?
Well just haven't met one of them i really clicked with. Its easier to have sex first because girls often get dick whipped. Dating a girl waiting for marriage is a whole other ball game. But its important. To earn their trust and love without the use of my cock.
It’s going to be hard for you to earn their trust and love when you have a higher standard for her than you do of yourself.
Hows that? You consistently avoid the matching double standard. Younger more virginal women have been getting with men much more successful than them for thousands of years. She can hold me to a higher standard for success and i can hold her to a higher standard for sex. Win win everyone happy
90% of guys want virgin? Where the fuck you you live 😂😂 a highly strict Muslim country? 😂 In Europe maybe 20% is Christian and 80% does not fuckung care if you lost your virginity. Here is is very normal.
And you are sobbing that girls might want you to be a virgin toonSobbing that they don't want a old dude.Sobbing that your success maybe is'nt enough to get you a girls because your personality is shit 😢Poor little guy
How are you 33 and aren't married yet?Are your standards maybe a little too high poor thing?
If that’s your agreement then whatever. But many girls complain about wanting to get married, her boyfriend doesn’t, but he still expects her to act like a wife.
For men like me we are best off being in a relationship with a woman, who also doesn't like the complexity of the risky marriage concept and not having the government involved into our private lives any more than they already are.
It’s too risky for the woman to invest her time into a guy who will knock her up, leave, and think he can not be financially responsible for child support or alimony. I advise non married couples to live separately.
You can literally get child support from a man even if you rape him and steal his sperm, why do you think you need to be married for that?And fuck alimony with a rake.
@Juxtapose Yeah. I sincerely hope women won't take her advise.Besides, I'm childfree, so there's little to talk about regarding getting a woman pregnant.
No offense to the asker but this is a classic example of how the supposably "more empathetic and emotionally intelligent sex" can't empathize with the opposite sex for shiiiiit.
@Juxtapose Damn right brother!
I don’t see alimony as a necessity in all cases but I’ll tell you this. If my husband ever asked me to quit my career and be a stay at home wife, I’d be asking some some alimony if things went sideways. And he’d happily oblige. Nevertheless, he’d never ask me to be a stay at home wife or mom because he’s a good man who supports the fact that I’ve put many years into my career which I love doing.
You have to be married for at least 10 years to collect alimony.It's a bullshit concept. Get a fucking job and stop supporting legalized theft.
We’ve been together for 13. And I have several jobs. That I’ll never quit as long as I can do them.
Also, tell trad men to stop asking for homemaker wives unless they want to pay up if the shit hits the fan. It’s only fair.
To be frank I haven't thought much about how I would react with a housewife because I *don't* want kids and I don't see a reason why she can't pay rent with me like all my other roommates have.
That’s fine, but don’t expect her to cook and clean for you either.
I only ask that she pulls her weight.And what men these days don't cook or clean? What bums.
@MzAsh Explain to me how a "wife acts"? I will take how a girlfriend acts over how a "wife" acts all day long. She is on her best behaviour when dating, when married she no longer has to act.
@MzAsh"It’s too risky for the woman to invest her time into a guy who will knock her up, leave,".Than use some fucking judgement about who you allow to penetrate your holy vessel. Crazy idea, I know.
In addition to my last reply, A wife is loyal. When dating, a woman owes you no loyalty. And she will be exploring other options which will likely be much more abundant than his options.
@MzAsh What fucking wife "cooks and cleans" for her husband these days? Also, if SHE decides to drop out of the work force that is HER decision. The man should not have to pay because she wanted to stay home and watch daytime television.
@MzAsh "A wife is loyal... when dating she owes you no loyalty"... really? That is eye opening. I have flash-traffic for you Chief, if a woman is cheating whore when dating she will be a cheating whore when married. Getting married in NO WAY turns a woman loyal. Try again.
I cook for mine when I can and feel like it. Sometimes he does the same. If she chooses to drop out of the work force without his influence then I agree he shouldn’t pay.
@MzAsh How do you define "influence"? While dating she "accidentally" gets pregnant, so being a good guy, he agrees to marry her and to work 80 hours week to support his new family. For his good nature you think he should be punished with alimony when she leaves him?I know several guys at work going through this right now. The pattern is so consistent as to be almost laughable. Young guy meets girl, they start to date, magically she "accidentally" gets pregnant, he marries her, she immediately begins her list of demands of resources (a house, a new car, new furniture, et. al) so he agrees to work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work... and she begins to complain he is never home and begins to put the screws to him.I see these young guys in our ultra-industrial jobs, under Chlorine Dioxide tanks, texting their girlfriend/wife to appease her bitchiness (when they are NOT suppose to even have their phones with them under these explosive tanks). These women are merciless and relentless, they want what they want and they always get their way, no matter if it kills their man in the process.
@KrakenAttackin Why do these guys put up with that shit?I'd rather just take the hit of the divorce then have to sneak under an explosive tank to text some needy bitch.
@Juxtapose Yeah man, the answer is they don't know any better. These men feel tons of pressure to get married (usually from their mothers). When I talk with these young men they always say "she's not like that", but of course she ends up being "like that". I never say "I told you so" as it isn't helpful. But I see the stress it puts on these guys (I used to be one of them). We are on the road for weeks at a time during our busy season but get good down time during slack times. I don't know a single married man in my group who is not incredibly stressed out by his wife when we are on the road. I want to grab these women and tell them to "STFU, don't you realize your man is in a safety-sensitive job and he needs to concentrate on coming home alive"? But these women don't care, they want what they want, when the want it, and there is no telling them anything.
@KrakenAttackin Yikes! Well at least you are personally out of that situation yourself. I can't imagine subjecting a woman to that, especially if she was working in a dangerous environment."I'm bored at home while my wife is slaving away. I better bug her in emotionally manipulate her to acquiesce to my petty demands!"That's sociopathic
@Juxtapose "That is sociopathic", no my friend, that is "woman".
@KrakenAttackin If that is so, then hot ladyboys for me then xD
Do you have any rusty soons? also have you seen hubert cumberdale?
Actually, he has all my rusty spoons.
… and Milford Cubicle says Hi.
My thoughts exactly.
Free stuff. Women don't give men free stuff, so it's obvious.
I don't expect an answer from them. I asked before. Almost never got a response.
To have a partner. Otherwise, you just have a girlfriend.
@MzAsh What does a female "partner" bring to the marriage? What are the OBLIGATIONS of being a female partner?
**Crickets Chirping** Yeah, thought so.
Well, I’ve been there for my man when his parents died. When he was almost killed in an accident at work, I was his nurse for about 6 months while he was in a wheelchair. I picked him up when his car broke down a lot. I’m the one he listens to for support and guidance when he needs or wants it. If he has a tough time, I’m going to be there to go through it with him. If he goes to jail, I’m the one posting his bail. I’m the in case of emergency in his records. If he needs to complain about how shitty people at work are, I’ll sit there and hear him out without judging him. That’s the difference between a girlfriend and a partner.
@Unit1 Yes, I have asked this a hundred times and women never reply. I have also asked women "what do you bring to the table other than sex", and I never get any female replies. The simple truth is that "Marriage" ought to have OSHA safety required training for men prior to marriage. Imagine a 40 hour (online of course) set of modules that warned of triple the odds of suicide in marriage and almost NINE TIMES the odds of suicide in divorce, the legal theft of children, resources, potential to have to pay alimony FOR LIFE, the legal turning of your children against you, how women file for divorce between 70% - 80% of the time, the fact that the man will literally work himself to death but many women don't even see that as good enough. The odds of your "wife" having sex with other men during your marriage and the complete lack of protection from paternity fraud men have. Let's also include divorce poverty for men and the brutal accusations your wife will make just to leverage the power of the court (calling the man physically abusive towards her and even sexually abusive of the children), what are the consequences to her for making these false and devastating and life-altering allegations? None, zero, nothing. Marriage has NOTHING to offer men, absolutely nothing.
Except I did reply. In fact, I wrote two articles on this years ago. thoughtcatalog.com/.../
Dammit, though catalog?
@MzAsh Whoah whoah whoah.Your boyfriend is going to jail? And you're bailing him out?Wow.If I was a woman and I had a boyfriend and he got arrested, it would be OVER. I wouldn't want to be attached to that type of individual.
It depends on what he’s getting arrested for lol
@MzAsh What, in your mind, would be an acceptable thing to get arrested for? 🧐
@MzAsh Okay. That's your call, I guess. Each person has to decide what they will and won't accept.
Jamie not loyal confirmed. 😡
@MzAsh No, what you are describing is what a committed person will do for their partner. Your time as a girlfriend is your audition for the job of wife. If you won't do all of the things you describe as a girlfriend, you have no right to ever expect to be anyone's wife.
@Jamie05rhs dude, she is probably the one who had him sent to jail.
Typically, a man is auditioning first. That’s why he proposes and she qualifies him and decides to accept.
Bro, weed is the cigarettes of drugs; it's runner's high in a cardio killer tube. You're just not a loyal person and I'd avoid you like the coof.
Weed helps with anxiety. We prefer it to pills.
@havingfun101 How am I not loyal?
You're with someone that you care about; they make a stupid & easily avoidable mistake: you drop them a hot brick.#notloyal
@havingfun101. No; I just have zero tolerance for stupid people. If you do something that you know is against the law, and you get caught, you should suffer the consequences. There is no way in hell I would bail her out for that. She's lucky if I even continued talking to her. I don't associate with people like that.
(No offense, @MzAsh. This doesn't apply to you. I like you. You're cool.)
@MzAsh. I disagree. Women hold the keys to sex, men hold the keys to marriage.
@Jamie05rhs Now you are being a little bitch by kissing MzAsh's ass.
No. He’s being the better option I mentioned earlier.
@Jamie05rhsGood for you, but prohibition was started by our Selective Service immune, Affirmative Action enabled, female voting majority and immediately failed, but only for alcohol. Female voters are still indirectly getting their men thrown in the big house; women are the stupid people of voters, so you must be single. 😃
@KrakenAttackinUnrelease the kraken; unrelease it!
@havingfun101 Enter the "Simps", who are stupidly willing to take a woman who is a "heroic" single mother, pay for her past mistakes, pay for her children (who will never see you as anything but an ATM), and forever know you were not her first, second, or even third choice. Also know that as a simp, the moment your resources dry up or have an interruption, you will hear a sonic boom and tires squealing in the driveway as she jumps to the next Simp on her facebook friend-zone bench.
That's all right, big boy, we'll just catch them after the divorce. #MGTOWm.youtube.com/.../featured
Yet your sister’s fiancé continues to stick around. Why do you suppose he does?
Its not her fiance.
Weird... I meant boyfriend. Not sure why I wrote fiancé.
Most women do have better options though.
Then maybe they are too thick to realise they have better options?
@MzAsh Define a "better option". More resources? She may options with good men who have solid resources but they don't give her the "tingles" like the Alpha fuck boy does. Once she has born one or two kids from one or two Alpha fuck boys who jetted on her right away; the Simps with resources start looking a lot better to her. She can always have the Alpha fuck boy on the side while Simp is home cooking dinner and getting someone else' kids ready for bed.
Tingles? Alpha? You gotta stop listen to entrepreneurs in cars.
@MzAsh Prove me wrong.
The way she said it makes me think sex, like marriage is some kind of business contract trading sex for something (a ring? financial support?) like a woman's only real goal in life or a relationship is marriage and she doesn't get any benefit from sex or a romantic relationship and men only want women for sex. Seems pretty archaic.
so he can't leave you when you have kids. I think more about my potential kids than myself. Same guys also complain about single mums
If he leaves you with your kids he isn't the one to have kids with to be honest..
Being married is no guarantee that he won't leave. I've heard of many cases of divorce or where one parent just walks away even when there are children. And it's not always the guy (more often it is, but not always).Marriage makes it more difficult, time consuming and expensive to leave, but doesn't prevent it from happening. There are advantages to being married, but it's not a guarantee of anything.I think the best approach is to only have children with a responsible person and make sure you only have children when you both want to.
@CallMeDave "I've heard of many cases of divorce or where one parent just walks away even when there are children. And it's not always the guy (more often it is, but not always)."Well thats not quite true. Youve lumped two things in together here. Unmarried parents w kids the man usually walks away because he fucked a slut and he doesn't want a slut for a wife. Married couples its usually women who file for divorce over 70% of the time.
Sometimes we love playing victim and that question makes us more seen. Also, highliting the problem of women mindset. You can't really blame men who don't want to have serious relationship.
Okay, it just sounded like you were saying that.
That wasn’t my intention.