... or equal opportunity at work. Biology and fertility are the true inequalisers and those who do genuinely want true equality should focus on finding methods and lifestyle choices that work to empower women biologically rather than fiscally.
Don’t have kids... congrats your equal.
So I’m curious. If that’s all it takes... why are women still upset the fact men don’t want to commit to them anymore?
@VanillaSalt How does that relate to equality? As far as I’m aware, most men do still want to commit to women.
Think about it for a minute. For women to be equal they have to forsake a part of themselves that’s unique to women. Now even with that sacrifice finding a sustainable partners still probably not going to happen for most women.And my statement that men don’t want women is backed by the rate of single female parenthood, the falling rate of marriage; The overwhelming numbers of divorce per year that, depending on the origin of the statistics, exceed 1:2 the rate of marriage. This means more men are having sex and fewer getting married and the ones that are getting married are divorcing. The rate of successful marriage compared to potential marriages is something like 10-20%. I’m estimating based off other statistics but that’s probably accurate. Also just having the desire for commitment isn’t enough. These feelings are mostly held by the lower quality male while the very good looking rich guy that women overwhelmingly tend to “prefer” don’t settle cause he don’t have to. Besides this using myself as an example I want commitment but am not willing to put myself out there with today’s level of hate for men from women, the imbalance between the importance of opinions and accusations between the genders, the very real danger that and accusation could leave a man now or post marriage broke and alone with no way to recover, and probably the most dangerous of all the balance in the court system when women’s rights, needs, and wants exceed by a vast margin that of men’s.
@VanillaSalt your argument only works if women are gold diggers though... most are not, making good money doesn't mean your high quality either or at least to some women. I think the idea of all women wanting top 10% earners is just false, get out more.
Have you ever gotten a divorce? Just so you know lawyers push their female clients to claim he cheated or hurt her to get more money.Also all women are essentially gold diggers. Sure their main purpose may not be to take all his money or use him for his money but are you really gonna try Abbas tell me if I made 15-20k/year ide be desirable to anything short of the lowest women have to offer? Women won’t date a man that don’t make money and generally more money than her. YOU may be different but other women are not. Also it’s not 10% of earners it’s just too % like very high quality. Also it’s been 20%. 80/20 rule is top 80% of women focus on the top 20% of men. That means when on a dating app 80% of women will go for the man showing a 6 pack that’s tall and seems to have money. This I DO NOT have an issue with. My problem is some like me that makes good money, is respectful and responsible (when I try), has many hobbies like fishing and hunting, play an instrument, am intelligent, and capable, and quite tough... can’t get a SINGLE response on 3 different dating apps WITH a paid subscription within 2 years. My issue with the 80/20 rule is what about the other 80% of men that are invisible to all but the ugliest and brokest and sometimes even the trashiest women.That’s one issue aside. Another point I made was is a risk for men. We have to put ourselves out there because women won’t. Don’t tell me otherwise because I don’t believe you. This means rejection.Also if she cries Wolf we lose it all. If we get married and have kids and the divorce she will almost always get kids and 50% and We’ll be stuck with child support.This is all ignoring that what men want women find demeaning. Sex, beauty, support. There are demeaning to women. How dare you sexualize us. You don’t like curves well your shallow (says the 300lb Godzilla). You expect me to clean the house even though I work? Well yes I work 60-90 hours a week with over 2 hours a day commute. Your sexist!
Well I think your assuming I dont exactly agree with modern day feminism of one upping men... also if your a good person I dont think you'll take advantage of how screwed the court system is for men and no I despise money, power and status its shallow and can't stomach taking someones hard earned cash id prefer real love from a poor man. You seem like a good person and your just frustrated, I get it the dating world is crazy even i sometimes think why is no one serious but I agree with almost everything you mentioned. Ideally id like to marry once and stick with someone till im old and grey... he could be the poorest person as long as he's the right one, maybe I'm just dumb I don't know but it worked for most my family I just hope im lucky. Also dont believe the media there full of it , there's no logic in anything they say, look around there is some good in this world, you will believe in love when you see old couples who still love each other, I used to think this toxic way you mention when I was 17 because its propaganda but since 21 I've matured and started thinking for myself lol I don't want to die alone or be a crazy cat lady anymore. Have hope, there's a person for everyone and im sorry if anyone hurt you like this in the past.
I’ve dealt with bad relationships ya. I’m 3 for 3 on cheaters... but I can handle being hurt that’s a different issue. It’s something completely different when you don’t exist. When your not even given the opportunity to show what you got. Now I never believed in love and after the state of the dating market I just quit women arnt worth pursuing. No woman can tell me 1 single thing that women bring to the table of marriage that their not butt hurt over and fighting against. So I’m out. The thing is I won’t have kids but I got a niece who’s 6. What will this shitty world be like for her 10 years from now. Besides this entire generations of men are just coming into their own right being told their toxic, less than, bad... they won’t know a father to teach them to be a man because women can do it in their own. Or a girlfriend to show them why growing up with respect important. Or a wife to make another generation with. I wish we could skip the next 10 years and throw all that pain at everyone all at once so they can understand the mistakes their making without losing their future. But this is the real world and suffering just a part of life. My niece will have me around and the rest of the world can burn.
To be honest this is a real fear/anxiety of mine, everyone seems real shallow and lack integrity today. It scares even me because on this side you think that men don't want to take you serious and what will you do if he leaves you with a child... worst nightmare, even i think of all the worst case scenarios. If i were to get married id like bring all I can to the table to make life easier for both of us, I dont play gender expectations, if he needs help with money then ok, if he needs food because he tired then ok and hopefully same both ways, women are not so different from men it may be hard to believe but I think we got to remind ourselves that there are reasonable people on both sides, you've lost hope but thats what bad experience do also what you said I had a discussion once with a family member who thought men are trash and was taking it out on 14 yr old boy and I agreed with your point its toxic to tell young boys they are bad its horrid and there impressionable just like young girls, so I took the kids side but honestly I was appalled with how some think , I just hope no one takes this bullshit to heart because if you have a mind of your own you can see through the hypocrisy of this matrix , id hate for my future son to feel like his existence is trash.
Unfortunately I don’t think either side will concede until a painful lessons learned. Either that or an entire generation is SOL and the next generation of men arnt men. Women hold too much power in relationships these days even the god ones. Before both sides were balanced and brought something different to the table. Now we’re fighting over roles like women even WANT to be men. Their stupid if they do. I wish for 1 year we gave women just what they ask for. All women are forced to work hard labor jobs where they have to do ot to cover the family. Where women are expected to defend the random man being assaulted on the street or provide assistance. Or they have to pay for dates every single failed date. Where they can’t find someone to acknowledge anything from their hair cut to the job performance. It sounds bad but I wish the suffering of men on women for a full year and I also wish the suffering of women on men. If it meant both sides understood each other and gave me back my hope of having kids on day then ide take the suffering of women for a year to understand.Have you every given real though to a random question? The question was if you had a super power what would it be... oh to fly would be kewl. Or to be super strong. To change form any time. This was my mentality as it changed. I wanted to fly or teleport because I went through a tough time and had a hard life early on and moved often... I want to be strong enough to change the world into a better place through force... now though after maturing my answer has too... if I had a super power it would be understanding. Being able to understand why things are and how they can be fixed. Understanding people so you can help them understand and keep people happy. It means hardship basically disappears or at least you understand why it happened and what can be done about it.We don’t understand each other. That’s why we’re suffering.
Not everyone has the capacity to understand each other, I learnt so long ago so I guess your idea would work for the majority. I think some people have a higher ability of putting themselves in others shoes, I haven't met someone more than me but even so a lot of people are guarded about it so to need appear strange. I think I'd want to be invisible because im interested in how different people live here lives lol also there are couple of people who are different from mainstream. Social media only discusses outlandish stuff dont let it consume you there is good people everywhere who are reasonable because im sure if you exist there are others like you, I do give up hope but I don't like to completely give up.
I totally agree with this 100 percent
@Paolaa988 thanks! Sad but true
Well i don't have sex outside of marriage miss brains muffins and i'll never have sex with a girl who ain't my wife!I took a lot of pressure off women now, SEEEEEE... not all men are the same 😜+10 muffins for my excellent behavior 😁
@TonyMetal___86 did I say all men are the same?
You make very good points! Grand kids are a serious pressure!
Right, so after you have em, should be able to give em to the grandparents that wanted em so bad 😂😂😂 disclaimer: joking (for those that don't have a sense of humor) 🙄
Nope you didn't, don't be angry miss brains muffins, you always told me to find someone better and younger than you, i just found her, go see my new question cause you know her well 😁
Ha Ha Ha yeah here you go Mom you wanted them... have at it. We are going to the movies and out to dinner!
Lol right or"we'll be back in a week, enjoy the grandkids"🤣
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Your not gonna have any problems getting married 😂
@bklynbadboy1 getting the perfect one can be difficult hon😋
@bklynbadboy1Even a 5/10 woman expects an 8/10 or better for marriage though. And even then it's usually not enough and she will try to "fix" him. Women struggle because they have unrealistic expectations. Not because they don't have options.
@Torari You say that as if men can't be picky either. As they should be (I love selective men... means you actually impress them)
Statistically, men are extremely realistic in their expectations. Rating 50% of women as above average and 50% as below. As opposed to women who rate 80% of men as below average. According to OK cupids statistics. So yes. I'm saying men are not nearly as picky as women by en large.
@Torari As someone who actually studies statistics, let's just say you're half right...
@Torari I am not saying you are wrong but it really depends a lot on the criteria which the study is based on. In a similar fashion I could, off the top of my head, say that statistically women are much more likely to be with someone less attractive or significantly older then a man would, but that would only be a partial truth. A lot of statistics, especially when it comes to subjective matters such as this, it is very prone to error considering it is very tricky to create fool-proof data. Maybe men don't feel they are selective? Maybe they really are. But it's not something to be tossed around like it's hard science.
Regardless of whether or not you "study statistics" and whether or not you assume I have not. You are clearly highly biased here.For one thing, you say older as if thats a bad thing when statistically women prefer older men, depending on where you look an average preference of +5-10 years is normal in women.For another, you claim women are more likely to be with someone less attractive than themselves. But neglect to mention who is doing the judging? If women are making that call, then it is inherently flawed as women have unrealistic perceptions of what is average.
@Torari How am I being biased? And no, I never assumed anything about you sir. And I never said "older" as if it is a bad thing. I tend to be with men that are 5-10 years older than myself. But I know that socially speaking, age gaps can be a negative thing, or at the very least it gets labeled as "weird". And no the study that pointed out women are more likely to be with less attractive partners was not based on the subject's perspective. Men often make up for looks with $ or stability of some kind. It has been known for a long time that men are a lot more visual creatures and focus more on external looks than women do. Women seek out partners primarily on how they can provide for them
@Torari oh and one more thing, men are much more capable to stay platonic with friends with benefits, women tend to struggle in this dept more. How attracted a women is to a partner is very co -depedent on how much of an emotional connection she has with said partner. I know I personally I don't find the male form attractive unless he is intelligent and kind. And statically speaking this is also the case (though every woman has their own way they get their emotional needs met, be it being spoiled or intellectually stimulated)
The question is ambiguous. Does it mean who feels more pressure to get married and settle down (which is the question I answered). Or does not mean who feels more stress about getting married?I think women feel more pressure to get married and settle down and men feel more stress about getting married and settling down.
Sorry deadbeat. Grow up. If you have kids, they deserve your support. Child support has already been reduced because of crying deadbeats like you.
first off I don't have kids and I am wayyy to young for that.second off, marriage is a bad idea for most men and i stand by that. its not worth the risk in my opinion. I like how you only talk about the child support as if that's the only thing that I can point to to justify my opinions as well. like seriously, dude, respond to the rest of this as well. you know as well as I do that everything having to do with divorce courts and family courts are heavily weighted against men and that there is no good outcome for a man who gets divorced so why put yourself in a situation where that could happen. 50% of marriages end in divorce and do you know what that's called, its called a bad bet. im not putting all my chips in on a bad bet.
@utterlyconfused11That GAG name is the SHIZ NIZ LOL
@coachTanthony thank you lol
You’re the one who complained about child support. Sad thing is, you assumptions are outdated. Lol I cannot believe how stupid people are. What’s sad is that guys like you would all too happy to take advantage of women. Lol! What a joke.
funny you think I want to take advantage of women. I respect women and would never take advantage of a woman because that is just a downright dirty thing to do and anybody who does that is a piece of shit. I just don't believe in marriage and somehow that makes me a rapist. fuck you and your convoluted logic fuccboi