What do you think about Nihilism? Why?

Please elaborate yourself on why. Detailed answers is appreciated. In this thread we're discussing if nihilism is pessimistic or optimistic. #Nihilism #Existential #Philosophy
What do you think about Nihilism? Why?
  • What do you think about Nihilism? Why?I'm nihilist and I likes it/it's optimistic (Why)
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Here you can read what nihilism is about if you've not heard about it before:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

Nihilism is about life have no objective or real meaning and that there's no objective or real moral. It exists different types of nihilism.

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  • Nihilism is neither optimistic nor pessimistic. That outlook is up to the person subscribing to the philosophy. Any philosophy can be viewed through an optimistic or a pessimistic lens.

    Nihilism simply posits that life--its origin, course, and all its myriad little constituents--does not hold any inherent value, meaning, or purpose. Any significance that we attribute to any event, including our own existence, is SUBJECTIVE--it comes from US, not from life itself.

    In the cosmic scheme of things, humans are nothing more than dust motes. There is no grand plan, no divine guidance, no supreme destiny, no ultimate answer to the question "why?" Instead, there is your self-determined plan, guidance (in the form of influence) from other members of your species, cause-and-effect relationships which govern your experiences during life (and, ultimately, result in your death), and an answer to your "why?" that is whatever the hell you want it to be.

    What you do with that belief is up to you. If you want to use it as justification for being apathetic and immoral, you can. If you want to use it as motivation for achieving your goals--because, really, if nothing matters, then that applies to your failures as well--you can.
    Personally, I use it in a positive way: if nothing really matters, then all that matters is what I deem to matter to ME. That makes my life a lot easier, because it means that I'm free to focus on that which I WANT to matter (i. e., the thoughts, ideas, and experiences that make me happy).

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  • i think your question shows that you don't have a clear understanding of "nihilism". nihilism isn't positive or negative. nihilism denies all reason and meaning of existance and history , the existance of "facts" and the existance of moral, god, virtue. if you're an "optimist" you can't be a nihilist, cause that means you have an ideology and nihilism doesn't have ideologies.

    this is what i know about nihilism. if you learned it differently, tell me about it :)

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    • I've learnt that nihilism is about there's no objective or real meaning with life and there's no objective or true moral. Everything is insignificant. I've also learnt that people can have a subjective opinion about if they likes it or not.

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    • yes sure. being an atheist only means you don't believe there's a diety. i for example am an atheist but i believe that the categorical imperative is the best moral to live by. i do have and believe in morals and virtues and i do believe that everybody can find a meaning for their life. those are all things nihilists can't do.

      i do however also believe that live has no inherent meaning and is more or less just a fluke, which excluded from everything else i said is a semi nihilistic statement. cross out the word "inherent" from the former statement and it's a completely nihilistic statement.

    • This guy gets it =) 👍

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What Girls Said 7

  • Nihilism is neither optimistic nor pessimistic. At least not in general.

    I'm a nihilist myself (mostly concerning morals, society & the absoluteness of things) & consider myself neither optimistic nor pessimistic- I'm realistic. I try to see things from a point that's as neutral is it can be, considering I'm still a human being full of flaws.

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  • Isn't it ironic that nihilists denounce any groups or organizations, yet they have their own name and they're, basically, a group of their own?
    Haha

    But yeah, I find them amusing at times.

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  • It is only a philosophy which matters little for me 🍃

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  • Nihilism makes me feel sad. And small. And it makes me wonder what the point of anything is.

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  • It's not inheritly optimistic or pessimistic. But that is at first glance. Some philosophies aren't exactly good for anyone initially, but them may be focused on the long term affects those beliefs have on the individual, or they may not care about the individual at all but rather how the group interacts with said individual.

    So you have to look at a large sample of people with any set of beliefs, see how it affects their life down the road, she how it affects others around them, etc. To get an accurate view of whether or not a belief structure is positive or negative for the individual.

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    • Man! I just read this back and my spell check butchers things... I need to figure out how to turn that off...

  • Nothing.

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  • I don't hear nihilisim before

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  • Said E.
    Nihilism is true in that there is no objective purpose for our lives. The cosmos doesn't care whether you live or die, but I don't see why that matters. Our lives have value because we care about them. Our friends and fellows bring meaning to our lives and our lives bring meaning to theirs.

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  • "I'm nihilist and I think it's pessimistic/negative."

    Because there really isn't much control or any control at all that any of us really have to begin with.

    Because of the kind of world and reality that we live, exist and are involved in. This is still a world in which NOTHING is ever solved. It's still a world that consists of perpetual suffering, miseries, pain, deaths, etc., with plenty of coping mechanisms to go along with it for us to pass the time while we are here; to allow us to make things more tolerable. It is what it is because there is a perpetual cycle of births and deaths. Births aren't a solution to deaths since all births will eventually lead to deaths and as well as pain, suffering and hardship, not that it was ever meant to be a solution to begin with. The end results are still the same and is still inevitable regardless of what we did or not do, whom we are or whom we aren't, where we are or where we had not been to, etc., etc.

    We, or at least most of use may think that we are "free", but are we really "free" to begin with?

    No, I don't think so, and because of the perpetual suffering, miseries and deaths in this world that just shows that we are entirely expendable to begin with. Everyone is part of a system that we had never asked to become part of.

    Did anything really mattered at all, or is it only because we wanted them or it to matter?

    Or merely because we needed them or needed it to matter, such as things that keep us alive like water and food?

    Every possession and everything that we ever gained or owned, we'll lose ownership and possession of them once our time is up.

    And the MORE you have, then the MORE you'll end up losing.

    Although they can be passed on to somebody, but that's only if you believe that is "important" or that it "mattered".

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    • You know. Nihilism is actually neither since nothing matters. It's purely nothingness. It's neither positive nor negative. It's an unique state of "neutrality" or something like undecided between the good and evil. Not dark but not light. The invisible middle.

  • It's optimism in the face of things that should arouse unease and even contempt in some instance. If we strive to make compassion part of our character, then we can literally feel the suffering of other people to the point where it hurts us to see or feel them hurt. You won't enjoy the party you were on your way to if you try and harden your heart to it because it was inconvenient to try and help at that time. Also the greatest feeling you can have in life does not come from winning a big game, falling in love or making the winning contributions at work. It comes from doing doing the right thing because that is what you wanted to to and no other reason. Your own happiness should not make you pretend you didn't see things that that frighten or disturb you. Most are likely to console themself with then the "happiness" that it didn't happen to them. Humanity is ment to thrive not take the Easter softer way. Love thy neighbor. You follow almost all the commandments if you fallow that one alone. I want to learn to do that if nothing else what so ever.

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  • Nobody is truly a nihilist unless they are willing to kill themselves. The very fact that they choose to continue living every morning is proof that they do not really believe in their own ideology. If life is meaningless then we might as well just be dead. Not even pleasure will ever make you truly happy and if you affirm otherwise then you are not a nihilist.

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  • I'm a nihilist and I think that whether I perceive there to be any meaning behind anything doesn't really correlate to my inner desire to pursue personal well-being and happiness.

    I choose to pursue the things I enjoy, even if they will be good for nothing but my personal entertainment.

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  • Nietzsche is quite positive in my opinion. The emphasis is on finding meaning and existentialism. Arguably it's the party pic that has the apathetic/fatalistic "boo hoo it all meaning nothing so fuck it" nihilists i. e fatalists.'

    I would describe myself as a positive/optimistic nihilist.

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  • It's a matter of perspective. Buddha had nearly the same philosophy very long before Nietzsche, so why it would be negative if he did live until age 80? And why is it positive if he didn't accomplish anything but self transcendence, not to the whole world? (I mean his own teachings felt into so many idiosyncrasies over time).

    Every one of us is an universe on its own, what's positive for one can be negative for the other, and surely that's what always drove the world.

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  • Nihilism is pure stupidity man. I wonder how nihilist feels when things are going bad for them or even good for that matter since all they are living for is vanity, since they can die at any moment or still lose everything they worked for in the end when death comes knocking on the door to take them.

    A live with no meaning or hope to look foward to in the after life has zero meaning especially if you're handicap or really sick for many years.

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  • Nihilism is a thought of man who wants to move on his life in any way. Most of people are in intrisric value claiming that they are moral nihilists. Nihilism can be considered as a normal way of life it and does not endorse a great way of living. So, I'm not against it. And I never support or be in nihilism.

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  • Not a nihilist. And I think it is pessimistic cause it doesn't believe in life being meaningful.

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    • Some regular nihilist-atheists think it's okay to be it and they lives happy lives. So it's possible. Some think things don't have to last forever like a heaven to be happy. So it's each to his own. When I was a nihilist I didn't like it. So it's depending from person to person.

  • Nihilists... Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
    Walter sobchak-the big lebowski
    https://youtu.be/b_29yvYpf4w

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  • stupid, dumb, ignorant,
    Jesus Christ is above the waters
    no excuses anymore

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  • Well think about this. Why can't meaning be something you make rather than find? And even though nihilism sound depressing at first, think about this. With a finite time left in life, shouldn't you subjectively view time as valuable?

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  • I think it's a good thing because then you can give life whatever meaning you want all by yourself. You can choose what you make of your own existence.

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  • I'm a nihilist and I think it's negative.

    Why?

    Because do you have any idea how unfair life is? And I see bad people get away with their crimes all the damn time.

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    • That's not nihilism. That literally being pessimistic/realistic and aware of how the world works.

  • Well I'm not expressly nihilistic becuase I feed into a few things about life that are considered good, but I tend to stray away from other social norms like losing your virginity in highschool, visit parties and get shitfaced, etc. I think it's optimistic in some regards for giving you morale fiber and not constantly buying into mainstream trends while also being pessimistic in the sense that you may never experience the things that may change get your mind on nihilsm, preventing an open idea on the world.

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  • Nihilism is contradictory per its definition. For if you believe in nothing, how can you then even believe that?

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  • Up until recently, nihilism calmed me down. I would get worked up or stressed about work. Coming home, i have specific tracks I'd play to calm me down. Eventually i realised that the few lyrics present in these tracks were basically saying that nothing, none of this, matters. Got to thinking about it and that's how I've been coping for years.

    Now that i have no purpose, depression and anxiety are rampant and i hate my job and everyone i work with and for, have no future and hate what i am. So my optimistic pessimism has turned into a full blown existential crisis. On top of my life falling apart around me. Go me...

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  • There is no such a thing as nihilism according to nihilism :D

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  • Jim Carrey is a nihilist and he seems to hate life lol.

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