Even if you agree with pascal, that just means you’re going through the motions “jnc”. You can’t control your beliefs.
@OddBeMe quod esset demonstrandum
No... theism is belief and gnostism is knowledge. Im an agnostic atheist. I don’t know but I don’t believe.
@OddBeMe yeah that's why you're not purely agnostic. I never meant that everyone doesn't have a default level of agnosticism.
It’s just two different things, belief vs knowledge. Theism Vs. gnosticism.
@OddBeMe well yeah but when the question is whether or not you believe, knowing is irrelevant.
Sure but you either believe or you don’t. Like being pregnant. So atheism is unbelief. Not that “I believe no gods exist.” See the switch in negation?
@OddBeMe believing no gods exist is the same as not believing gods exist. You're just playing around with semantics. What exactly is your point? Is there something I said that was wrong?
I’ll clear up your confusion. A bag of skittles. The amount is either even or odd. If you don’t believe it’s even, does that mean you believe it’s odd?
@OddBeMe I've never been confused about the meaning of agnosticism. All I said is everyone has a default level of it. Go and look up the Dawkins scale.
I don’t care what Dawkins says. He’s not the pope of atheism. Do you get the difference between NOT believing in a god to believing NO gods exist?
@OddBeMe well not believing is A-theism. It's atheism. Believing there is no god is also atheism. You can say you are an agnostic atheist but it's irrelevant because as I said everyone had a default level of agnosticism. When you ask someone if they believe or disbelieve something "I don't know" is irrelevant.
True! But again, majority of all atheists don’t believe that NO god exists. They simply don’t believe in any gods.
Even tho i am 100% sure god don't exist. So no default level of agnosticism since i agree with Stephen hawkings sound logic that means there is 0 possibility that god exists
@Kaneki05 How can you be 100% certain of anything? Can we prove there’s no spaghetti monster?
@OddBeMe now that could exist lol. Because that is not defined as a creator that would be pointless since we have found something that already exists with no cause. Which means something can happen without nothing doing it therefore a creator would be pointless aka making the existence of god not be a god by definition. Unless if your god by definition is just an alien who can manipulate some matter.
@Kaneki05 my spaghetti created the universe. Prove me wrong.
Black holes, like the universe before the Big Bang, condense into a singularity. In this ultra-packed point of mass, gravity is so strong that it distorts time as well as light and space. Simply put, in the depths of a black hole, time does not exist.Because the universe also began as a singularity, time itself could not have existed before the Big Bang. the answer to what happened before the Big Bang is, there was no time before the Big Bang.We have finally found something that doesn’t have a cause, because there was no time for a cause to exist in, there is no possibility of a creator, because there is no time for a creator to have existed in. Or your Spaghetti.
So I am agnostic, in your opinion?
Wrong. Atheism is “I don’t believe in a god.” Not “I believe no gods exist.” See the different negation?
okay then what is "i believe no gods exist"
Anti-theist, hard atheist perhaps. It’s a common issue getting these two opinions mixed up with atheism. But we have to account for atheists who: Don’t believe in a god, but also don’t know if any gods exist.
well i dont %100 doubt any sort of god but i %100 believe that no god exists
How could you 100% know? There could be a Flying Spaghetti Monster for all we know. Doubt is ok.
there could be one but as of now i dont know about it and dont believe it exists
Agnosticism is a separate thing entirely.Agnosticism and gnosticism deal with whether you believe a position of knowledge is possible.It's like a political compass.
Yeah, fuck the poll - most people are unfamiliar with the distinction between atheism and agnosticism. Perhaps I was unclear, so let me lay it out -The truth is you're both - Atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive positions.You're an atheist because you at present no not seem to accept a god. You aren't not-an-atheist just because you don't assert with certainty that no god can exist, that's not what atheism means.You're an agnostic because (I assume) you acknowledge a position of certainty is not possible.
I’m stealing that graphic
Nice diagram, sums it up very well.
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Not really. Have a look at the Dawkins scale. That explains it.
The amount of doubt doesn’t matter. If you have doubt you don’t believe.
Go for it.
Yeah go on.
I too, eagerly await this demonstration.
debatewise.org/.../ @OfDeath @CountessSarah
Please read that page
Also no one can not change it, its first copy has that miracles news.artnet.com/.../oldest-quran-found-birmingham-england-319366
Are you serious? So because of a few coincidences involving the number 7, I'm supposed to believe in a book which makes claims based on no better than (and in some cases worse than) a 7th century understanding of science. You can go through just about any book, pick a number and then look at how many instances that number is represented in different ways.7 is also a weird number to stake claims on. There are a lot of things about reality which are more or less than the number 7. Atoms don't have 7 layers either. Don't know where they got that from. A nitrogen atom has 7 protons. The smallest atom has one proton and one electron. So that's a 2. 2 is not a multiple of 7 and 7 can't be equally divided by 2. so much for the 7 theory. On the claim that there are 7 skies in the universe? No evidence of that. That's a really weird thing to claim as proof when it's completely baseless. On the claim that humans couldn't have written it? Why not? Humans understand mathematics and have loved to include hidden clues in things. Leonardo Da Vinci loved doing it. So perhaps they writers of the Quran purposely peppered it with number 7 instances and perhaps they didn't. It proves nothing. There is no getting around the fact that the Quran makes scientifically fallacious claims like the sun setting in a marsh at night and mountains stabilising the earth. It also gave predictions which didn't happen as predicted. There is also no mention of lands unknown to the Afro-Asian societies. If it was truly divine, it would make zero mistakes and would have a better understanding of science and the world than that of the 7th century.
Numerology? THAT'S your evidence?This is a bottom tier theist argument.You do a disservice to Muslims everywhere by assuming they would struggle to count to 7, Sir. I would add that there's no math that gets you to proving a god - Either a god exists or does not. God isn't a number. Is God '7'? Cause I believe 7 exists if that was supposed to be the goal.Mathematical sophistry does not get you any closer to proving a god.Are you equally convinced when numerologists do the same thing for other holy books? Or is it only impressive when the Quran does it? Numerologists find these coincidences everywhere because all they do is work backwards to support their conclusion. I could do the same thing as whoever wrote your article for absolutely any number.
@OfDeath that page does not tell only 7. Please read all page. For example seas and lands, how can we ignore it?
@CountessSarah not only 7, please read the all page, for example seas and lands, how can we ignore it?
How can we ignore it? Because it's not impressive. I don't care what the specific numbers are -Read this very closely;No numerology, no matter how unlikely, is convincing that a god exists.
Ignore what? Are you saying there are 7 continents and 7 seas? So what if they are? How would that prove right all the wrong things in the Quran like the moon splitting in half and that the moon and sun revolve around the earth?By the way there are actually 8 continents. The "divine authors" of the Quran didn't know about Zealandia. Another example of the lack of scientific understanding. The Quran is made up by people. It's obviously what people of the 7th century thought they knew. It is blatantly obvious. It isn't evidence of god at all. You're totally deluded. Might be time to give the whole mythical god thing a rest for a while yeah? Have a nectarine and forget about it my dude. The vitamin C will do you good.
@CountessSarah @OfDeath Okey, please only read this flood: twitter.com/lawbeam/status/1301566050874675200
Once again this is not proof of anything.
Read this very closely;No numerology, no matter how unlikely, is convincing that a god exists.
I pray you discover The Hindu Afterlife before its too late!
@OddBeMe It doesn't matter which "religious" afterlife's I acquire knowledge about... The One TRUE Heavenly afterlife in New Jerusalem with our Lord, is the only one I strive to attain.
So Hinduism's 100+ gods could be true?
@OddBeMe Satan surely would LIKE you to believe it's true. He would love for you to believe ANY thing that's untrue
What would satan gain by that?
@OddBeMe Your soul in the eternal damnation of hell. That's his biggest goal
By convincing people he doesn’t exist? Huh?
@OddBeMe Exactly, that's one of his best tricks
What do you mean?
How are you 90% certain about a "belief"?
Exactly. It’s like being 90% pregnant.
@OddBeMe Can't I be 90% sure that abortion is an acceptable behavior? Why does everything have to be so black and white? A famous philosopher wrote "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."
We’re talking semantics. But what we’re saying is you either believe or you don’t. You either know or you don’t. We don’t fully know why gravity exists. So there is doubt there.
What is magic?