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Hypothetically if all of humanity decided not to believe in any religions world would be much better place. Can you prove me wrong?
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- I'm not a fan of religions, but at least a few of those meme things are ironic. The atheist always professes really a rather similar kind of similar absolutist knowledge or truth (of course they will dispute this and say it is knowledge based on evidence, but we won't get into that - all the arguments from the Dawkin's handbook). Realistically, we all know religion is a pile of shite. What we really need is some kind of deeper insight. And the atheist movement, beyond debunking exoteric and organised religion, doesn't really provide that. It just states the obvious.
In the earnest words of the Bad Religion song, 'what the world really needs now, is some answers to its problems'. And atheism doesn't really provide that. It just gives us some kind of bleak materialistic focus and debunks retarded religions. Humans are so much more than we're told. Realistically, God has been dead in the 20th century. It was the era of 'scientific reductionism/materialism, and beyond the obvious horrors that have taken place, it's reflective in 20th century art, too.0|10|0Is this still revelant? - Untestable proposition. All we can say is that happier countries where people are generally secure in food, housing, and medical care are less religious. Mynconclusion is that religion is a reaction to fear.0|20|0Is this still revelant?
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Anonymous1 moLol tbh i feel like all religions are trying to say the same thing just in different ways. We keep on fighting over who has a better god/s, a better way, who is right, etc when in reality the core of all religion is or at least should be goodness. However, because we keep on fighting over our differences, over superiority, over our righteousness, we all become hypocrites and we lose sight of what really matters which is goodness: respecting and loving everything and everyone, acceptance of our differences, forgiveness and mercy, humility, etc.
So for me, I believe in a higher being but I dont believe in religion anymore does that make sense? 🤔0|10|0Is this still revelant?- no , I don't think so. Individuals who believe in the existence of God know that they will answer for what they have done and act accordingly. Basically all religions command not to steal , to forgive , not to commit adultery , not to kill. why would being irreligious make the world a better place?**0|20|0Is this still revelant?
Huge amount of humanities wars happened because of religion.
Religion is nothing but blind belief.the reason for these wars is not religion , but for interests, is there a government that does not use religion?
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Right, that's why the most secular countries have little violent crime, and why in the US the non-believers are hugely underrepresented in prisons? Thanks, I feel much safer around non-believers. Believers are less predictable. There's no telling them when some religious leader is going to incite them to violence.
We have very little crime rates and we are said to be second most atheist country in the world after China.
@David_Bayer why do you attribute this to irreligion? not an educated society or sophistication? Where Are you from?
I attribute it to atheism because educated countries generally lose believers over time. I live in Czech Republic.
@slatyb Religion can be used by politicians for malicious purposes, it is not up to the public to comply. I don't understand why crimes cost religion, not individuals. Let's say one person stole it. when he is tried, he holds him responsible for the crime he has committed. the judge doesn't tell him it's Christianity's fault. If a religion doesn't give orders to steal, which it never does.
David_Bayer so religion is against science? and as the level of education increases, people become irreligious. It matters what religion you're talking about here. I'm not going to defend all religions. But my religion commands learning and thinking. iam happy with my religion.
I don't like it because I know to many fanatically religious people that don't talk about anything else and will spontaneously argue with you at any time.
David_Bayer not all religious people are bad. don't ignore good examples. I'm not asking you to believe in a religion. But we all know we are not the same. as a human being, we all have a fault, an atheist, a deist, it is absurd to cost religion these mistakes. and who are you going to blame when a group of Heathens commit crimes? their irreligion or themselves?
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522- “Prove”? No.
I can’t prove you’re right, either.
I’m not a huge fan of religion, but I do see that it has potential to do good, and also does in fact do some good around the world. I’m not up right now to the task of the immense research online looking at the different demographics and statistics regarding the amount of good done in the world versus the amount of evil. But think for a minute about all of the food drives, comforting, people gotten off the streets and stopped using drugs, etc. etc., examples like that. Then on the other hand, I see/know what you’re talking about with wars and conflict and strife also created by these beliefs systems.
My rough hypothesis is that people of people regardless of whether they have a religion or not they are going to be doing some vile shit, and also helping each other. Organized religion helps people both do amazing wonderful nice things for others, and also helps them organize to be atrocious as well.0|10|0 - Easily, you are wrong because you have nothing to base your belief in. Atheism is simply crass sneer and denial - with nothing to offer but conjecture.
It is religions, not their lack, which created humanity and it's laws which founded it's various civilisations. Cultural and intellectual leeches like atheism have always been something to be accused of, not a mantle proudly worn. It's like a thief trying to justify his "occupation".
It is politics and ambitions as well as personal desire, which drive people to do what evils they do. You cannot commit evil for religion. It's like stealing for charity. Sure some wear the masks of religion to do their evil, but those are cults - not religions. it's like trying to compare pseudoscience with science.0|10|0What is religion but a blind believe. I agree with the civilization part but I don't think that religion should play any part in modern society.
Belief will never be superior to truth.And then... the church lost political power in the developed countries and discovered that many people only went to church because they had no choice. Now people have a choice and surprise! Most of them are finding they would rather do something else on Sunday. Even among Americans who call themselves Christian most are not in church on Sunday.
- Lets say you successfully eradicate all the religions on earth, then what about war caused ideology and goverment? The war between countries for resource and land?
to get real peace and make thos world a better place, you need to eradicate all the humans who have ability to think, because in the end, even rhe religions are ideology, just like goverment or any party's ideology, if not religion vs religion. Then it would be communist vs capitalist, iran vs arab, israel vs palestine, china vs taiwan, n. korea vs s. korea and america vs whoever finds oil and so on
So logically , u must exterminate all the humans
no human= no ideology=a better world0|00|0 - how can you say that earth will be a better place religion have rules for its followers to respect other religions to not eat this kind of food but remember humanity would fall apart without religions bc If I remember the world before religions were filled with kids baby been buried alive at birth and people would fight kill for only small reasons i will give an example Muslims and Chirstains are both somewhat different religoins but despite that they respect each other each other religoins and stan up for each other like brothers and sisters so tell me am i wrong sorry if i was rude0|10|0
I don't think that Islam and Christianity are good examples.
Crusades, Jihad and stuff.
- Most people don't do religion for answers, they do it for the sake of it. It's like going for a walk in nature, you cannot measure it's utility value you just do it cus you want to do it. If you can't have a grasp on this concept you won't understand religion. You read bible, quran, thora, tao te ching, bardo thodol or whatever you fancy and you get to experience how people were thinking in certain period of history in certain demography and you can compare to how you think and feel now. And what you agree on is the human in you because it is so human that it was here thousands of years ago and it couldn't not taken away from us by wars and enlightenment, revolutions, evolution of culture and technology, nothing it is in us to define us as a species.0|10|0
- Although people don't believe God most of our laws are from these.
The ten commandments given to the Israelites. Are still the main structure of our present laws.
So if you remove these , where are you going to get law from...
Who will be there to guide our conscience...0|10|0Most people have some understanding of good and bad so we could base our laws on that and our society and law enforcement can guide our conscience.
- yes and i can do it easily and quickly
More people have died inside of communist/atheist regimes than from all religious wars combined. 100 million purged/murdered. Add to that, poverty and oppression. Yet no religion was involved
The problem with humans is belief in ideology and control of themselves and others. You'll need to find a way to remove ideology from humans if you wish for a utopia0|10|0
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How Many People Have Been Killed in the Name of Religion?
How many deaths have been caused by religion? Here's a list of religiously motivated wars and genocides and their death tolls. Let me know if I missed any!
The Crusades: 6,000,000
Thirty Years War: 11,500,000
French Wars of Religion: 4,000,000
Second Sudanese Civil War: 2,000,000
Lebanese Civil War: 250,000
Muslim Conquests of India: 80,000,000
Congolese Genocide (King Leopold II): 13,000,000
Armenian Genocide: 1,500,000
Rwandan Genocide: 800,000
Eighty Years' War: 1,000,000
Nigerian Civil War: 1,000,000
Great Peasants' Revolt: 250,000
First Sudanese Civil War: 1,000,000
Jewish Diaspora (Not Including the Holocaust): 1,000,000
The Holocaust (Jewish and Homosexual Deaths): 6,500,000
Islamic Terrorism Since 2000: 150,000
Iraq War: 500,000
US Western Expansion (Justified by "Manifest Destiny"):20,000,000
Atlantic Slave Trade (Justified by Christianity): 14,000,000
Aztec Human Sacrifice: 80,000
AIDS deaths in Africa largely due to opposition to condoms: 30,000,000
Spanish Inquisition: 5,000
I mostly agree with you but the atheist countries were mostly oppressive communist/fascist countries.
ok, I dont have the time to dispute each of these individually but claiming that the 6 million Jews were killed because of religion is disingenuous at best. The Nazis hated them because of racial ideology and the Nazis weren't really a religion (even though you could make a somewhat valid claim that it was). The bottom line here is that ideologies (which are a big part of religion) will persist past the elimination of religion and they will be responsible for so much misery and death that you'll never even miss religion
- We’d still have greed, poverty, wars, famine, destruction, suffering, class divides, oppression, corrupt governments, violence, brutality... I can keep going...1|10|0
- You cannot ignore the facts and the history and since your an atheist than i'll tell you that you cannot ignore something that you don't know!
Who are you to say if such things exists or not?
If what your saying is true, the world will become a shitty place where there is no meaning or purpose for your whole existence!
Do not combat religion for a better world, just combat yourself to make a better world and stop blaming the religion to justify your dirty acts!0|00|0Religion is based purely by belief not by facts.
You chose your own purpose to for life and biological purpose for life is reproduction.
And what are my dirty acts mr. Almighty?
- No. Even in a world without religion, people would still find reasons to hate each other. That's just human nature.0|10|0
- I am an agnostic now, but I recognize that poor and sick people often need to believe in an afterlife. Would you really want to take that away from them?0|10|0
Well, that is very hypothetical, if everyone chose to reject religion then their personalities would be completely different from what they are now. Tradition of course can be as strong as religion. The Ancient Chinese were as brutal as any other ancient culture without really ever justifying anything they did via Gods.
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- It may be for a short period of time. Then humanity would most likely find some other reason to hate each other.0|10|0
- Yeah I'd agree with you. If we retroactively eliminated it, we would be 2000 years ahead in science.. We would be exploring the stars..0|10|0
- Atheism is a bullshit. If religions are completelely wrong but its not mean The god not exist. God is realty of this cosmos and other cosmoses.0|10|0
And you say that to me without valid evidence. Atheism is not belief in something you don't have any evidence of.
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The higher being on The god. Ither all exists are created by the god all cosmos and other cosmoses we have not know them yet.
If your question about religions I follow ibranic religions (jew chris and islam ) but islam is the best option about my searches. Coz only islam describe the god perfectlyEvolotion is a not believing issue evolotion is a realty like god. Islam not refuse the evolotion.
No the god not describe only a story here like christianty. christianty describe god like a story hero kind goodness always good like a polyanna.
But god is god. The god including goodness badness etc. all of them... may be its looking unlogical ehy the god exist badness and test us with this life. But boss is boss. The boss alwasy rightAnd now why do you think that Atheism is bullshit even though it's the most logical?
Deism logical I think. Claiming the universe emerged spontaneously unlogical. In this cosmon nothing and nothing happens or exist witout a creator or a reason.
Ok I'm done. To argue with that I would have to use quantum theory and I don't have time for that
- I believe that certain religions would be better off not existing but can i say the world would be better if none of them existed, eh more then likely not because people simply don't have the moral compass to withstand evil anymore0|10|0
- Yes I can! Without religion, what would people find to believe in? Oh wait, Planets! Also drinking kool aid and being carried out of ones own soul to a comet! Shit, both of those already happened..0|00|0
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- Anonymous1 moIf everyone decided to be atheist, I think the world’d be way more violent and shitty place off0|20|0
I am agnostic, and I partially believe this as well. The reason being I think that a lot of people are just good because they have religion and they are scared that they’re gonna burn in hell if they do what they want to do, which is some atrocious shit.
One example, the man who was in his 40s when he first started abusing his daughter and his daughters best friend sexually, when they were around six years Of age to the time that they were in high school. On his deathbed, this man was crying. Not because he had hurt anyone, but because he was scared of dying and going to hell to burn forever because he was religious. Had he not been afraid of this the entire time, it is quite possible that he would not have limited his abuse to his own daughter and her best friend, but instead might have sought to branch out and molest more girls. That’s all hypothetical, of course, but it’s an example of how religion keeps people in check, rather than letting them go about their own selfish ways. There may be some people who have actually kept themselves from abusing children at all because the threat of hell was so persuasive.- Show All Show Less
@zeitgeist057 your agnostic which means that your questioning the truth, well i tell you that you have nothing to lose if you believe in god, at least if you died and woke up somewhere else than you wouldn't be affraid...
You too don't have evidence if it's real of or not and that's why it's called faith!
I believe while you don't!
- The world would definitely be better, but it wouldn't stop most wars. It would probably stop a lot of bigotry and it would definitely stop a lot of anti-abortion and anti-stemcell people.0|10|0
- Wether it would or not can only be thought about, but I'd prefer such a place at any time.0|10|0
Anonymous1 moHow'd that work out for the Soviets? Or the 100 million people who starved to death under Mao?0|10|0That wasn't because lack of relogion but because of their suppressive regime collectivism.
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They tried to replace religion with a cult of personality, not with enlightened secularism. The Russians starved partially because of the Soviet adherence to Lysenkoism (a pseudo-scientific anti-evolutionary theory).
Keep building me that palace, growing my food, cooking my banquets, you will be rewarded in heaven!
- Agreed, but religions aren’t the cause of all the worlds problems. So it still wouldn’t be a utopia. The Middle East wouldn’t be an issue.0|10|0
- I think it would be. Human decency doesn't come from religion. It precedes it.0|10|0
- No. Humans will still rob, steal, lie, rape, murder and fight and go to war over some bull.0|10|0
- Stalin's Soviet Union, Mao's China, and Pol Pot's Cambodia should be sufficient for your purposes.0|01|1
- Even as a theist, yeah you’re absolutely correct.0|10|0
- no, all that would do is take away peoples excuse0|10|0
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