This has to be one of the dumbest thing I ever heard and clearly a desperate attempt to keep believing in something illogical. Yes, no or wait? So, like every magical character? Santa also answers that, so does a coin-flip, so does nothing.P. S. Jealousy is never mature, stop making excuses.
JeromePel---- Jerome I never assumed that what I had to say would be taken well are completely understood. I will not try to explain something that you clearly have your mind made up about anyway. I appreciate your candor. And I hope that you have a good day. I'm 55 years old, these things that I have tried to explain I have also lived.
As I explained to someone last night I typed in a wrong number on my age and have since tried to go back and correct it but anyway I'm 55
Regardless of your age, bad reasoning is bad reasoning. Sorry for being a little antagonistic, but honestly, what couldn't you use the yes/no/wait excuse with? When you find yourself making excuses and logical contortions that you don't do with other beliefs or competing gods, it's worth looking at your biases and question why you tolerate bad reasoning only when it comes to the beliefs you've been indoctrinated in. That is if you care whether or not your beliefs are true. If you just care that they feel good, I don't want to pop your bubble, peace be onto you :)
P. S. My mind isn't closed, by all means, be the first one in history to find passable evidence for your proposition. Before you do tho, again, ask yourself if the "evidence" that convinced you is something that you'd accept for other claims, you might spot the logical fallacies before me ;)
Yes Jerome and I like your way of thinking we need to be questioning those things in which we believe. This is not something that I can completely make anyone else believe. I just know that I have prayed 4 things and that I do believe in God. The things are much I prayed for I received. Does that make God some kind of magical genie that gives us what we want? The answer is no absolutely not. But my belief is this; God is capable and he will give us things if those things AR good for us and the timing is right. The girl that started this thread asked if it was okay to pray to God to bring her a boyfriend/ mate. This is where it gets to be down to the nitty-gritty. Each one of us answer this question totally different but there's a question do I believe there's a God or do I not believe there's a God. I believe therefore I read the Bible the King James version of the Holy Bible. And to answer her question absolutely God is interested in how do we choose as a mate.
I've tried not 2 simply give my opinions here. If I Had the Time and it wasn't going to take up so much space, I could backup the things I'm saying with what is said in the word of God. But finally, we are all human and for most of us to believe in something we need some sort of proof. They are at least five different factors in my own personal life that make me a believer.
But then that means you can always rationalize is my point. This is a convenient mechanism where you can just credit God when something that was going to happen anyway happens, but when it doesn't happen, you can just say the Genie knew it wouldn't be good for you and it still confirms your bias somehow. If I see gifts under the tree it proves Santa, if I don't, I guess I've been a bad boy this year and it still proves Santa.If you care to be reasonable, you have to find a way to falsify the belief, a way where some test could result in a failure. The Templeton foundation actually tested it and found that prayer worked at the rate of a coin-flip. When people know they're being prayed for, it's actually slightly worse, because of performance anxiety it's thought.Follow the evidence where it leads, don't start with your conclusion then contort the facts to fit your worldview.
I would say that everything that you're same here is applicable I believe in what you're saying. I don't really know what to say Jerome and I will be the first to admit that you bring up very good objectionable statements about God. I think in life we've all had something happen and if we try to explain to someone else it would be hard for them to believe or understand. That's kind of where I find myself right now and that frame of mind. The whole basis of Christianity has to do with faith. Faith doesn't need proof. Faith doesn't need a detailed map. Faith is not something that you can explain or give to someone else. Faith is given to a Christian by God. In my life I've had enough prayers answered to make me believe, and just enough prayers that I thought weren't answered to cause me to relate 2 those that don't believe. I guess it would look like I rationalize everything. The biggest proof of the Lord's presence is how much he changed me. Now there ain't nobody they can't take that away. And there ain't nobody that could give it to me but God. You neither know me now and you did not know me before let me just say this I was somewhat of a low life. I didn't care about anybody else I was concerned only about me I had no love whatsoever for strangers and I had no love even for my immediate family. God change me. Yes he did. You might say oh no you just decided to start acting like a better person. I say no any attempt to do that what only lasts a small amount of time because our human strength wear it out. Ever since I've been 22 years old I've been different and I'm 55 now. That has been done the only one that can do it, a Heavenly God. This I know in my heart
So, you believe based on faith, so does the Hindu, so does the Muslim, etc. If faith leads to both true and (statistically way more) false results, doesn't that indicate it's a pretty unreliable tool to use? Is there anything one couldn't believe based on faith? How sure am I that white people are better than black people based on reason and evidence? 0%. What if I add 20% faith? 20%. What if I add 100% faith? Well I guess I'm now 100% confident white people are better than black people. Doesn't faith just admits that you started with your conclusion and whatever confidence the evidence didn't provide you could just compensate with more faith?I'm glad to hear you changed your life for the better, but with or without God, people change their life drastically every day. I definitely was a lot more selfish, less empathetic, less aware, less smart and so on in my early life, isn't that just called growing up? I find it a little sad that you would give credit to God for work you've done, this seems needlessly disempowering.
There's not a reason for me to continue in this back and forth rhetoric. Thank you Jerome for the conversation. And may we all have a better year. You take care buddy.
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You can't blame God for the decisions you made in said partners. God's blessings add no sorrow.
So god has given starving children what they need?
So what they need is starvation?
@aestheticcxx well first of all you need to be specific. This is your problem you're looking for that " gotcha" where you prove god flawed or doesn't exist. And you can't and that angers you.
Umm no. First of all, you said “god will always give you what you need. Not what you want.” But clearly he has not given everyone what they need.
God will ALWAYS give someone what they need? 🤔
It’s funny how bible thumpers get so offended when someone disagrees with their religion, especially when all the person did was ask a question😂
@aestheticcxx it's funny how i hit that nail right on the head.
Why do you said that? What happened?
Thank you for caring. It's just that faith is becoming nonsensical for me. And It is very humiliating to ask God for a partner when you know you deserve that.
How u get 135 followers when u only post two things on your profile?
Simple, people might like her opinions 👍
It probably because she white it no logical reason why she have so many followers
@Yuuibtony Your racism is uncalled for. Please be civil. But to answer your question, I don't know? Is 135 a lot? I don't pay attention to followers.
actually there's quite good studies conducted that show strong evidence for a negative effect of prayer, even if the intention was good.
@genericname85 yes, and what is their conclusion? That thinking good thoughts help physical issues. Not that there’s a higher power.
well of course it didn't conclude "there's a higher power", cause there is no such thing. they actually concluded that "being prayed for" actually makes a patient worse. if i remember correctly, it were psychosomatic autosuggestive effects at work. a positive mindset has of course positive effects on a patiens healing, though prayer seems to have the opposite effect, even if the test subject was not informed that they were being prayed to. i guess psychologically speaking: if you think someone could die, you treat them differently than if you think they will surely be healthy soon. that's probably where that comes from.
Well, who created man to show stupidity... because "man" sure don't make wise decisions on this earth. The world is jacked up.
Of course it is outcome of natural selection
God is real. I don't pay any money to know he exist. It is man I can't trust and believe in.
Ok. Keep believing in all mighty space wizard.
Lol.. You should know. I digress.
I wish I had your certainty..
Tell me, what do you wish for? The the things that are nice to have, but the deep desires. The ones that fill you with longing, and are so intense you hesitate to name them.And then tell me what you are afraid of.
And you can PM if you want
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