Correction: Subjective reality points to One god. Objective science has figured out most shit up to the Plank time.
I want to know how God created this world. I'm not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details.Albert Einstein
"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views."Albert Einstein
He certainly wasn't Christian, but he acknowledged God. There are numerous examples of Scientist who acknowledge God. God is Objective reality. The Bible is God's answer to Humanity.
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Wait... so you say they didn’t have the right god... but the Palestinian Jews did 2000 years ago. Why? None of it could be true, correct?
I can live with that. But technically, that’s atheism.
Nope, Atheism takes a stand that GOD does not exist... I don't care if he does or does not. Big difference!
no, atheism is without belief. Not belief in there is NO god. see the difference?
I am neither denying or claiming the existence of any gods, if they exist, I'm sure they give as much as of a fuck about me as I do about them. But, I don't deny that they may exist. I know that this must be stretching your mind way past it's capabilities. Yet, I'm getting very irritated about having to try and explain what the fuck being apathetic is. Which is why I am the way I am. Screw this, I don't care if you understand or don't... because I'm apathetic to your emotional state. This conversation is now over!
wow you get triggered fast. But "atypical" is without type. Atheism is without belief. You have no belief.
Have you noticed that many believers are convinced that God is male, based soley on their preferred pronoun?
Yeah they have lots of presuppositions
I guess it is just a drawing. But usually comes from a picture.
I call them pedos. But potato potato
Bingo. And apologists use the true bits to sell the untrue.
Welp, rip apologists.
Interesting, and maybe right, but what makes you think cosmos was a coincidence or accident?
I don’t have any beliefs one way or the other about it. There just seems to be two common beliefs. 1. God man everything. 2. It was just a massive accident. I think given the complexity of everything, that it’s more likely that it was by intelligent design. But I don’t claim to know that for a fact... it would just be my guess.
But that’s not the only choices. What if each old universe explodes and gives birth to a new universe?
Well that leads us back to the whole “chicken or the egg” thing. Where did the first one come from. Where did all the mass, matter and energy come from. Why does ANYTHING even exist at all. Or does anything even really exist? I think quantum mechanics is leading us down some interesting paths. It seems like we are getting closer and closer to understanding some very interesting things, about how the universe works. And it’s totally not what we thought.
Ok... again I’d ask why you only gave two options for the universe? That poisons the well.
I didn’t say that was the only possibilities. I just said that’s the 2 common beliefs that I hear people talk about. I’m sure there are hundreds of different theories about where we came from. If you have Interesting ones, I’m down to hear them.
All right, I’ll give you that. I like hearing people say there are hundreds of possible options. Because neither of us know. Christians just go a step further and believe without reason.
Right! But we can measure energy. Why can’t we measure God?
Does that make it true? Just being “unaltered”?
If you really want to find the Truth about God then start studying about these three abrahamic religions and choose the one that makes the most sense.If you are really an ignorant person then don't try because someone won't find the truth unless they are looking for it
I have studied all three religions. Do you practice all Quran laws like 9:5“ fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem”
You haven't studied them.This revelation came when muslims were under attack , the pagans were brutally killing innocent Muslims and of course God will want people to fight back and defend themselves.Even under islamic caliphate there were pagans and Christians living safely , go study about history if God really commanded us to kill all non Muslims then how there were innocent non Muslims living peacefully with Muslims at that time? The Uncle of our Prophet was a pagan and did Muslims kill him? Nope
Infact at that time islam was more secular compared to christianity, women are very respected in islam while in christianity they were burning innocent women because they wanted to learn science
These are the same excuses i hear from all religionists. Your book is nothing special.
Its your choice after all, anyone seeking God will come closer to islam and its not a coincidence that its the fastest growing religion in the world
Actually atheism is the fastest growing. But it’s not a religion. However, being the fastest growing doesn’t mean it’s true.
Oh come on now... just because you, in particular, look like an ape... does not make you an ape! The genetics make crossbreeding impossible! Freakin wannabe apes these days, I swear!
Still can't cross breed and that is all that counts as far as I'm concerned. I mean seriously dude we also share DNA with a freaking slug, want to claim a likeness with that... nah, didn't think so... though I am assuming here... hopefully correctly?
@Jaumet - If you don't understand this now, I'm afraid I probably won't be of much help... But remember! Google is a friend! Not food!
Oh good! I guess that means you will actually shut the fuck up now! You just made me so fucking happy!
@Jaumet - Which of these two most accurately describes your happiness?a. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dX9zMPPomw b. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbZSe6N_BXs
Please tell me now it’s clear your god is real and the Greek pantheon are fake...
They’re more mature
I need statistics for that claim, in my experience it's the opposite, girls/women are more religious since they are emotional while logical guys are atheists since they believe in what they see and can explain. Not that I have statistics to back that up but it seems to be the regional truth.
@Adam1978 Girls mature faster during their impressionable years. www.psychologytoday.com/.../scientists-identify-why-girls-often-mature-faster-boys
That is a fact that kind of culture based, there is plenty of in mature of both genders. Physically women mature a bit earlier but the rest is environmental. You grow up as fast as your environment requires. So we got both genders never having the opportunity to be kids, while men prefer to be responsible and still play and enjoy as much they can when they are old and can afford it.
Could be. Most importantly: I don’t know.
That's why it's about believing.Main thing to me is to believe without 'bad intentions'; in which case everyone is free to believe what he or she wants.My own thought model about this: Creation - The big bang was made possible by God preparing the surrounding conditions; next, he let things unfold, but guided them here and there. God's existence - as we assume that he has all power... he can also create himself.If God is an invention of humans, than he must have been thought out at some stage. The oldest civilisation we found until now is the Sumer culture some 5000 years back; and they had Gods already... so it must have been earlier.That's when humans were few and they lived simply. They were busy with hunting, gathering, killing each other, making fire and making babies. I just can't imagine that someone had the leisure to think out complex imaginations for doing... yes: doing what with it.It looks more plausible to me that one day God turned up, saying: ''Hi, it's me. Wanna follow?''Our own perceptions are inseparable from time as a factor; but that does not mean that there aren't levels of existence where time has no influence.
Best term I ever used.
Why end of discuSsion?
@OddBeMe coz now there is no answer to it
"Who, how, when, why" no idea, don't question it... belive it blindfolded, like a 🐑
What makes you so sure?
Quite simple, I believe in Islam and I believe Islam is the truth.
Is there any evidence that Islam is the truth? If you were raised by Hindu parents, would you still be an Islamist?
Define “evidence” personally I believe the Quran is all the evidence I need.Secondly I’m not an Islamist, that is someone who supports “Islamic fundamentalism” in other words an extremist, I’m against all forms of bigotry and extremism and extremism in the name of Islam is no exception. Not only does it hurt people, but it misrepresents the most important part of my identity and the one of the things I love the most in this world.If I was raised by Hindu parents while I may have grown up with Hinduism, I do believe if Allah willed I would have found my way to Islam someday.And don’t be mistaken by asking questions about my parents correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe you’re insinuating I only believe in Islam because my parents drilled it into me? If so, that’s not the case.While my parents are Muslims, and my family have been Muslims for hundreds of years, my belief and faith in Islam- my parents actually haven’t had much influence over believe it or not. Because while they are Muslim they were never really super religious, if that makes sense and they never really made me practice my faith.I started trying practicing my faith better, in 2020 after ✨stuff happened✨ and when I first made that intention and first started trying I didn’t even tell them😅
Are you kidding me? Define evidence?
Evidence is subjective. While I may believe the Quran is enough evidence, you don’t so evidence would be something else for you.
Is science subjective? The iPhone you're posting on isn’t subjective. The Quran is written by man and has no evidence.
Quran itself is written by man! Doesn't it make the Allah the creation of the man who wrote Islam?Spiderman is a creation of Stan Lee, but it doesn't mean Spiderman is a based on a real person
The man who wrote Quran (correcting my first sentence)
@OddBeMe Science can not explain everything. I respect whatever you may believe in, but yes even some scientific theories can be subjective because they are theories and not clear cut proof of how the world came to exist. Just like perhaps you believe in a theory of some kind, and even though it’s not literal proof, it’s proof enough for you, the Quran is proof enough for me.And I don’t believe the Quran is the word of man, but I respect your belief about it because for you is you belief, for me is mine.
An iPhone is different we can quite clearly see, it’s been manufactured as for how the world came to exist, science really doesn’t prove that there isn’t a God, while it may be proof enough for you that you believe there is no God, it’s not proof enough for me, and the Quran is proof enough for me but not for you, for you is your belief for me is mine.
@shade_19 We believe the word of the Quran was revealed in revelations from Allah (God) to Muhammad (pbuh) which his companions wrote down as he was illiterate.Not necessarily. If JK Rowling told me what to write word for word for Harry Potter, that doesn’t make me the creator of Harry Potter it’s still JK Rowling but I’m just writing it down🤷🏾♀️
So doesn't that make Muhammad the creator of Allah?
No, it doesn’t. Allah revealed the word of the Quran to Muhammad, someone telling me to tell someone else to write something down, does not mean I am the Creator of what they said. I’d simply be a messenger, spreading what I had been told.
But he was the one who was most profited right as well..Anyways U know what, believe as u wish, i just don't agree with u but I'm not gonna lecture u
@shade_19 Spidey is in denial. She doesn’t know what scientific theory means or that she can’t prove her god exists.
@shade_19 Muhammad (pbuh) did not profit off of spreading Islam, unless you’re trying to say he is a Prophet, if so, then yes he was.Yeah that’s perfectly okay for you to disagree with my belief, just like I disagree with yours. As long as we’re respectful of each other’s beliefs disagreements shouldn’t be a problem.
@OddBeMe Can I literally prove to you that God exists? Nope. I personally don’t need anymore proof than the Quran, I do believe it is the word of God, simple.And you can’t literally prove to me God doesn’t exist through scientific theory. A theory isn’t clear cut evidence, it’s a possibility of what could have happened.
Do you believe anything else without proof?
The Quran is enough proof for me.
You didn’t answer the question. And a book isn’t proof.
The Quran is my proof. Just like the theories are your proof and I respect that.
Again... a book is proof of a book existing. Not god. I asked if you believe anything else without proof?
Let's get it this wayHave each one of u ever questioned ur scientific theory and Qur'an?
Oh and by the way Muhammad dies with lots of riches, had sex with lot of ladies, even a 9yr old and his step son's wife... he lived like a king if he didn't look like one, anyone who questioned him questioned Allah and was given death penalty Have u heard of the story of Muhammad and he breaking the moon in half? Google that once
@OddBeMe That’s the way you see it. And to me, the Quran is far more than just “a book.” Not to get too personal, but let’s just said reading it and understanding it did a lot for me. I believe the Quran is the word of God, and I have faith- I don’t need the kind of literal proof to prove that God exists.It depends on what you’re talking about. Like for example, does my younger brother proves he loves me by saying to me “I love you” but do I know he loves me? Yeah, I do.And your scientific theory is literally just a theory. It in no way shape or form disproves the existence of God🤷🏾♀️
@shade_19 Yes, I did question my belief in Islam a lot a few years ago.And if you want to discuss the life of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) I’m more than happy to do that, but just what you say alone shows me how little you actually know about the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Islam in itself.May I ask where you get your information from when learning about Islam? Like Scholars? Muftis? People who have legitimately studied Islam? Genuine question.
From ex Muslims
@shade_19 Ah, I see. So what are the credentials of the “ex-Muslims” who you get your information from?
There r literally fb pages , u can go check themIf they were so false then they would be banned for spreading false information But there r posts where they do translate what is written... maybe if u can translate it better in terms of meaning then go ahead. But I've seen imam tawaidi telling bout the information on how to have sex with ones under 9yr old in an Iraqi book written 1000yrs ago (apart from Quran but still considering holy one by a guy thought to be quite smart) Where the man mainly focuses telling how men r better than women but brings that topic in the book
I'm not saying Islam is really bad, my ex was a girlfriend But the thing is that have u learnt everything bout islam and agree with every word that's said by so called scholars of Islam... coz i don't
https://youtu.be/bHRkICLr_rY Luckily got a link to what i was saying.. (by the way correcting my above statement, my ex was a Muslim 😅)
@shade_19 With all due respect, people claiming to be “ex-Muslim” posting on Facebook pages with no knowledge of their credentials is not a very valid source to be obtaining your information from.It is extremely naive to believe that if their information was not actually correct, Facebook would take it down because there will be many qualified people on Facebook refuting their claims- and Facebook doesn’t take them down either.Translating what is written, doesn’t necessarily mean they’ve told you everything, it merely means they’ve just translated one phrase, without explaining context or translation itself etc.Imam Tawhidi is again yet another unreliable source. Being Muslim does not necessarily equate to being qualified to discuss or teach about Islam. His qualifications are very questionable, he claimed to study at a university in Iran, yet that university claims that he didn’t receive a Bachelor’s degree or a Masters degree from that university, but that he dropped out of their university,And no, I haven’t learned everything about Islam. I’m 18, there is still a lot I need to study. But with that said I do know a lot about Islam, which I’ve learned from people who have studied Islam for years, some even longer than I’ve been alive and they have the degrees to show for it.It’s like I used to be a Geography student but I dropped that subject because I didn’t really like it that much. Now if I tell you I studied Geography for 3 years, call myself an “ex-Geography” student with no credentials in Geography, does that make me qualified to teach you geography?Scholars, Muftis, Sheikhs, public intellectuals spend years studying Islam at legitimate institutions. I find it absurd that some people would prefer to listen to an “ex-Muslim” as opposed to somebody who has studied Islam for years simply because one used to be Muslim.
Could u translate what imam tawaidi translated?Is it true what he translated? And do u agree to that?
I’m not an Arabic speaker, so no, I cannot tell you whether that is an accurate translation.However, I don’t put full trust into the Imam Tawhidi because he has shown to be untrustworthy possibly lying about his credentials, if other Arabic speakers translated it and came out with the same conclusion, sure I’d believe that is what was written in this book. Would I agree with it as a Muslim? Absolutely not. As a Muslim, the book imam Tawhidi is talking about is something I have never come across before. Not one of the sources, that I study Islam has ever referenced this book, because if it does say what Tawhidi claims, then it is completely against Islam.The Quran has had significance in my life, the Hadith has had significance in my life, I can name you a number of Islamic books that have had significance in my life this book is something that has had no significance in my life whatsoever, in fact you’re the first person to introduce me to this.Secondly, you’re referencing a book written by a man about Islamic law who is Muslim. But how do you know that man who wrote that book (if it says what Tawhidi claims) is wrong? I don’t see any reference to Quran or Hadith justifying the claims in this book. And even if he did use Quran and Hadith to justify his claims- that doesn’t necessarily the justification is valid as the scripture used could be easily taken out of context.
Well... this is what i listen from the moderate Muslims.Well it doesn't surprise me, u r defending ur belief If u were a buddish and i asked such things bout Buddhism then u would defend buddism But anyways, opinions change as life experiences change... we may not agree now... maybe later When you'll think like me or when I'll think like u I'm just against when stupid and evil things r justified on the name of culture or religion Not against any religion
Okay firstly, I’m not a “moderate Muslim” I’m a Muslim. Of course I’ll defend Islam, and I’ll tell you right from wrong within the religion if you’re willing to learn, and that goes for anyone. If somebody is asking me, purely for the sake of attacking the faith without any intent to learn then I won’t waste my time with them because they’re not looking to understand they just want to attack, so it’s the equivalent of arguing with a brick wall.And yeah, if I believed Buddhism was the truth of course I’d defend it. And let’s say somebody makes a false claim about Buddhism or Buddhists that I know for a fact is false, I’ll defend Buddhism or Buddhists from that false claim.I’m against immorality being justified in the name of religion too, I mean if you genuinely want to discuss Islam with me- I’m more than happy to do that. You can message me with your queries about Islam, so we’re not spamming this dudes notifications.I won’t get offended by you disagreeing or anything- that’s your right, for you is your way for me is my way. That said if you don’t want to, don’t feel obliged to- but if you ever change your mind my inbox is open🤷🏾♀️
I'm least interested to inbox people..
Okay if you don’t want to that’s fine have a nice time wherever you are😂
Sorry that laughter emoji meant to be a smile☺️***
😂 doesn't matter I know where it is going and i know where it will end
When it comes to rights to our own bodies, yes it matters.
Not really. The arguments don't change, just the authority they claim to be behind them. If everyone became atheist tomorrow, the people that oppose abortion would just claim the natural right to life as their authority, or biology, or something else entirely.
Ehh. Their gusto in saving “unborn” is belief in a divine spark. If we all just looked at science, we’d see bean sized fetus until the final trimester.
If younall justnlooked at science... you'd still be arguing over the same things. Science doesn't cover things like rights, ideology, philosophy. Science is not a belief system and it should not be made into one.
Agreed, but it would give us the facts to base opinions. Not emotion brought on by religious beleif.
Sure, but those opinions would still differ.
Yes but we could at least argue policy and not fact...
The alpha and omega
Still not specific enough. I’m guessing Christian?
Logically : there is a creator. We can label that being God, even if it’s only action was to create the Big Bang. Personally : I’m Christian and took a leap of Faith that there is one God who created everything.
So the “creator” could be the previous universe which imploded and created the current one?
That’s possible. No one will really ever know so faith must enter into the conversation. But still the creator would be God which created the first universe which imploded.
Why just faith enter the conversation? Is there anything else in life you believe on faith?
Because in the absence of logic and science humans rely on faith. And I didn’t say just faith. But because no human will ever go back in time before the Big Bang, we will never answer your question.So by faith my answer is God is the creator. By faith someone else may say there is no creator. Because science cannot prove either to be true faith and belief are employed.
Yes, when I’m driving on a two lane highway going 45 mph and a truck is headed towards me in the other lane I have faith it will not cross lanes and hit me