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@cookiecrusher Thanks but, I've been a LOT longer than you! At least age 6, if not earlier.
It wasn't meant as finally, more like late welcome, that you were in their grasp but got out, like escaping the matrix.
@cookiecrusher I dig but, like I said, I was already starting to question this shit when I was in 1st grade. Besides, the biggest reason I was even going to the Lutheran school those first 4 years was because we're half German and dad liked a lot of the guys on the church baseball team, which he wanted to be a member of. I was taken out of that school in 4th grade and never went to another religious school again! And, none of their brainwashing ever stuck to me. Even though mom and her family were very religious, and so was quite a few of dad's side, it just never made a lot of sense to me! Dad wasn't a church-goer, either. I also used to watch all those claymation cartoons about Davey & Goliath and Dave's sister, Susie but the heavy religious aspects in each one never stuck to me, either. I got the common sense of each one but religion never had anything to do with just using common sense! If you're already a kind, decent person, what's the point of having a god tell you what to do? The only people that need that are those that just don't have the brains to USE common sense!
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What's wrong with just using common sense? Why would you need a biblical story just to teach you not to stick your fingers into a roaring flame?And there was a roaring flame that rose as high as a wandering calf. And the lord spake unto Fred, and his holy words DID convey unto Fred that thou shalt not place thine digits into the flame for thou shalt burn them, hence! Verily, Fred said unto god, "Piss off!!" and placed his fingers into the flame, anyway, and he did get severely burned! After the new dance Fred had invented, god spoke unto him again and said, "See, asshole!! I TOLD you you'd get burned!!".And that concludes out lesson for today, children.
@FunkyMonkee Religion shouldn't teach you basic self-preservation, that's the job of evolution and natural selection 😒You know full well the stuff I'm referring to, that is if you have actually read a Holy book of any kind. The stuff that teaches you how to exist within society, what things you should value and what things can be done away with. Nothing like this is intrinsic, which is why each culture has it's own branch of philosophy - philosophy is basically just religion with all the unnecessary parts stripped away. Religion is easier for the average person to stomach, however, and so that's why its more prevalent and philosophy is more niche.
Except for the Necronomicon, I never read a holy book but, why would I need to if I already know, through common sense, not to do all the stuff your little black book tells you? It SHOULD be second nature to anyone with a fully working brain. I don't need a book to tell me killing someone is bad, stealing is wrong, etc.. Besides, if it REALLY meant anything, why did my ex-sister, who lives & breathes the bible, SEVERELY fuck mom & I over a few years ago because of GREED? Isn't THAT supposed to be one of the 7 deadly sins? Where, in the bible, does it say, "thou shalt fuck over thine own family and reap the rewards for thine own self."? If there IS a god, why hasn't it punished her?
@FunkyMonkee You are either a troll or extremely bitter, I'll give you the benefit of the dount and assume the latter.The necronomicon, funny. Did you even read my initial comment? Where I said I don't believe in any religion, and that the people who take it as anything more than allegory are missing the point? I have not and am not saying people *should* be religious, just saying that in the past it did have certain benefits. And *again*, I'm not talking about the obvious stuff like not sticking your hand in a flame or becoming a serial killer 😒 What I am doing though is repeating myselfI'm talking about stories like the good samaritan, helping a person people would look down on you for associating with because they need help, or the prodigal son, forgiving someone for something if they are showing regret rather than holding it over them unnecessarily. Moral lessons, ones that plenty of people even in the modern day don't abide by.
Wouldn't YOU be bitter if you lost your house, about $1,000,000 worth of your belongings and at least half your life because of your fucking greedy sisters?Well, then, stop arguing! I'm not interested in religion, either!Yeah, I KNOW they don't abide by them!1 Some asshole hit me with his car and kept going one night right in front of the parking lot to a hospital and fractured my leg leaving me for dead!! I got up and kept trying to flag down people for help to get to the ER half a block behind me and up a steep hill and NO ONE stopped to help me!! even when I hobbled out into the middle of the road, they'd slow down and DRIVE THE FUCK AROUND ME!! Yeah, good moral Christians, there!! I had to hobble up to the ER myself!!!
@FunkyMonkee I'm sorry you went through those things but that has got nothing to do with our discussion. I'm not just gonna walk away and resign myself to you thinking your right, because your jumping to all the wrong conclusions. I'll lay out my viewpoints below plainly, if you want to refute them then by all means do.Religion is a good foundation for a society to build its morals on, but having religion doesn't necessarily mean you believe in a higher power. Once the society exists comfortably it should transition over to philosophy instead, trimming all the unnecessary fat and getting straight to the points, leaving as little room for misinterpretation. Even then, you will have people that agree with the points made by religion/philosophy, and yet won't carry them out in their own lives. There will always be selfish people, sadistic people, immoral people. These, however, are a minority.
GOOD! I win, again!
@FunkyMonkee... What? What are you saying "good" to?
Are you really so arrogant as to think that God would be sending you some sort of message while letting millions of people die of starvation, disease, war, etc? Really?
@AndrésC64 Is that what I said? You sound retarded. Where is your care giver?
So you weren't implying that God somehow intervened?
@AndrésC64 You're definitely retarded.
I saved the lives of a few people and none of them worship me!! None of them even talk to me, anymore!!Nearly ANYBODY'S instructions work if you follow them but, that doesn't cause people to follow them around and praise them forever!I've become a lot more loving and caring since I grew up in the `60's during the Woodstock wera1 common sense had a LOT to do with it, too!!You mean, when you do bad shit nobody punishes you for it? That just means you never got caught or nobody cared enough to do anything about it.It's called the heavenly father because people think it was responsible for the creation of everyone and everything.I recommend, "Zardoz".
What do you think is the reason for all this suffering allowed in this world, for his children that he (god) claims to love?
@cookiecrusher God has agreed not to control us, thus we have free will, so what you are referring to as "allowed" is free will. We would otherwise be puppets. We can do good or we can do bad. Life is a temporary state of being. In the end the evil doers will pay a devastating price.One little girl asked her wise father how long eternity was. He answered..."If the moon where made of steel and a little sparrow flew to the moon and brushed her wing against it and then flew back to earth, only to fly back to the moon and do the same thing over and over again, by the time the friction from the little sparrows wing touch wore the moon down to nothing, eternity will have just begun"Eternity is how long the souls of those who sin against mankind will burn in hell. It is now believed that hell exists in the middle of the sun, no matter, it does exist.
I'm a good person! I go around helping people all the time. I've even helped others while I was severely hurting and in need of medical attention!! I don't hurt anyone that doesn't hurt me first! I've even helped SAVE a few lives!! So, why did I lose my house and half of my life 2 years ago to my greedy, evil ex-sisters? They ripped-off mom & I and the both of US got severely fucked over it, while they got all her money and the ability to sell the house out from under me, which mom WANTED me to have and keep in the family!! If there IS a god, why the fuck would it allow that to happen?
@cookiecrusher Another DAMN GOOD question I've been asking for decades!! Why is there disease, starvation, hatred, murder, rape, theft, evil, when this god thingie is SUPPOSED be able to stop ALL of it and love and care about us all?
@FunkyMonkee Mr @cookiecrusher asked me that question... you didn't read my answer naughty boy :)
Spank me little botty!!
@FunkyMonkee OK, you asked for it... lol
Does this mean we're engaged?
@laurieluvsit hello once again hope you remember me haha the story which you told can make sense you know according to our mythology The king of hell is Yamadharmaraj And his son is sun lol what a tongue twister so he took suns room and made it as hell 🙂 it's possible
But the king of hell in our stories is not bad or devil he is the punisher and maintainer of the truth and chastity
@Aakash_Hangargi Interesting, thank you :)
"Appear" only has 2 p's!
@FunkyMonkee I guess you didn't get the "Apppear Smarter".
I got that it was spelled wrong after being told I wasn't smart. I would've spelled it correctly..
You should try going to church
True, in Bible days people were either Jews or Gentiles. There were no other established religions.
Not really, Santa Claus doesn't espouse having magic powers, per se. Okay, flying reindeer and the ability to fit down a chimney and hit EVERY house in the world in just one night but, other than that, just a fairly ordinary old guy! These people blindly believe in almighty beings that can do ANYTHING and it's ALL JUST because their parents told them it's so! Okay, parents tell their kids about Santa and the Easter Bunny, too but, you eventually grow out of that and find out it's just a story to tell kids! You don't go around building churches where you go once a week to praise and worship the bunny or Santa!! Sadly, they just never grow out of this religious bullshit! If you went back to biblical times and showed them a really good card trick, they'd build churches in YOUR name, too!! That's because they didn't have the common understanding to KNOW that was just a card trick that anybody could learn to do! Like this one! Granted, it Is a kind of miracle but there's OBVIOUSLY SOME way this guy does it and it CAN be taught to others, if he chose to!https://youtu.be/obOq23w8eAoLife from other planets has been coming here for millions of years!! As for the religoids, they'll just claim that god made those people, too! Fact is, THEY created US!!