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Male inteligence does not increase mating success

It's interesting how new scientific research banish old beliefs, such as that intelligence is a factor that increases sexual success, which is absurd. The psychologist Dr James Thompson writes the following in this post:

https://drjamesthompson.blogspot.ca/2015/...y.html?m=1

Do women find bright men sexy?

Human general intelligence (g) has been hypothesized to be an indicator of genomic mutation load and under sexual selection for indirect genetic benefits (‘good genes’ for the offspring), implying that high g should be sexually attractive. People clearly report preferences and assortatively mate for intelligence, but these effects can be due to direct phenotypic benefts of g and social homogamy. Only one study (Prokosch et al., 2009) with methodological limitations has directly tested if higher male intelligence increases female initial sexual attraction.

Male inteligence does not increase mating success

We tested 88 young men (age 19 to 31 years) on six psychometric intelligence subtests and two measures of information processing speed, from which a g factor was extracted, and on the Big 5 personality dimensions. Standardized photos, voice recordings and videotapes of three behavioral tasks (reading headlines, charade, tell-a-joke) were also taken. Sixteen women and 14 men judged the intelligence and personality of the target men based on the videos.

A second group of 16 women rated the attractiveness of the men as long-term and short-term partners. A third group of 25 women received information about each men in five steps, with intelligence cues being increasingly present over and above physical attractiveness information, and rated long- and short-term attraction after each step. Both men and women could accurately judge intelligence and extraversion, but not the other Big 5, from the videos. Measured male g had no effect on female short-term attraction, but a small positive effect on long-term attraction, though only after extraversion and independently rated physical attractiveness were controlled.

When information on male intelligence was presented incrementally, measured g did not predict changes in female long-term or short-term attraction ratings formed based on physical attractiveness. Overall we found no support for intelligence being sexually attractive to women on first encounters, and limited support that it increases initial impression of the potential as a long-term romantic partner.

This is only the second study on the attractiveness of measured intelligence at zero acquaintance, and the first one that assessed a true g factor, had a sufficiently large sample of target men, and tested whether increasing availability of intelligence information alters women’s reported attraction.

Taken together with very limited support for an association between g and mutation load in the currently available genomic data, these results cast doubt on the hypothesis that g is an indicator of genetic fitness under ‘good genes’ sexual selection.

Male inteligence does not increase mating success

While Cochran, physicist and adjunct professor of anthropology at the University of Utah, also supports the null role of intelligence in his own blog:

The mating mind:

Do women find high intelligence attractive? Apparently not (MALE GENERAL INTELLIGENCE (G) DOES NOT INCREASE FEMALE SEXUAL ATTRACTION), as discussed on James Thompson’s blog. I think I already knew this, to the extent that I thought Geoffrey Miller’s book on the subject a barrel of crazy.

I’m pretty sure that, on average, men don’t find intelligence attractive in women, either.

https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2015/10/0...ting-mind/

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  • I don't think 88 people is a sufficient sample size as the most basic ones generally test thousands. As for intelligence, if it measured intellect alone then that isn't really a very good indicator, they would have to have the same person with the same level of attractiveness to the individual then compare high/low intellect since all other factors would be equal. If this is not the case then all that was proven was that intelligence is not the singular determinining factor for attraction which of course is fairly obvious. It also doesn't determine what is definable as intelligence and more importantly how that plays out with other factors ie money/status. Generally speaking higher intellect has the capacity to acquire greater resources and status which could be a factor in attraction so the attraction to intellect could be by proxy, if intellec alone was tested separate from the impact that intellect has then this would also affect the outcome by effectively removing the reason for the attraction to that particular trait. For example men generally find an hour glass figure attractive because it requires wide hips which increase survivability in child birth, and usually larger chest region imlplication being supperior milk production ie nursing ability. If you remove these basic ideas from the traits then the traits loose there attractiveness, they become pointless. Removing productivity from intellect could have a similar affect and thus would need to be tested for. Other anthropological research suggest the exact opposite of what these researchers suggest. Essentialy if intelligent wasn't attractive we would not be as intelligent as we are. We have surpassed the level of intellect required to maintain our status as top of the food chain and to neutralize outside threats and maximize food acquisition. Yet we continued to develop a more sophisiticated brain and greater intellect despite it having no survival purpose (all needs where sufficently met to insure survival) thus suggesting that intellect (not unlike selective traits in other species like a male peacocks feathers) was selected for because of its attractivness and that as a result of competition between other of the same species we rapidly began evolving greater intellect to compete with others of our species to optimize our mate selection. We must also take into social factors which influence mate selection, what worked before may not work now. They do not adequetly address this.

    • coping.

    • How so? Where my statements incorrect or illogical? Where they not legitament arguments to make?

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  • I can't fucking stand dumbass males to be honest. If u can't fucking read, spell or just enjoy being stupid then you need to stay away from me

    • For example I have a crush on rap monster and he has an IQ of 150. I would bang Share Gif: media4.giphy.com/media/GaZavojQ8tm7u/200w.gif

    • That's him by the way

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  • Well I need a man with an IQ higher than his shoe size... #justsayin'
    I might have a fling with a hot dimwit, but as soon as he speaks, I'd be outta there!

    For long term I definitely need someone intellectually on my same level, at least.

    On the other hand, if he is too smart, I would be the dimwit of the relationship and that would suck.

    So it is only natural for people to generally date on "their level" of intelligence so there is a balance.

    • yeah but women as a whole are closer to intelligence then men. men are spread out and women are grouped so there wouldn't be enough men to date women of the same intelligence. women by numbers alone would have to date men either dumber or smarter then them. to have the same intelligence would be a bit more rare.

    • @dudeman I have to disagree. I don't think that women average in intelligence more than men. There are plenty intelligent men out there, and just as many stupid ones. Same with women, there is everything between bimbo and Madam Curie.

    • well disagree all you want women tend to be more of an average intelligence and men tend to flank either extremes while on average having a higher intelligence.

  • Hmm, maybe it is true. My dad is really smart, he's probably the smartest person I know but he's had trouble in the dating world. Most of the ladies he comes across go for meat heads and thugs. -_- I remember one time he brought a friend back and treated her to dinner and bowling, and some other stuff. She was acting strange and later said she was weirded out because she's not used to men being nice to her. Lmao.

    • Are these women Latinas?

    • @Agrojag Uhm, yeah. His preference is for Hispanic women but he's also dated a lot of black women. The girl I said was acting weird because my dad was nice to her is white. But she was just his friend, she also has herpes from messing around with the losers she's so attracted to but I guess even STDs can't keep her away from a thug.

    • I suspected because I have a preference for Latinas as well and run into similar problems. Some women just really can't pick them, can they?

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  • Those tools aren't attractive either.

    But Keanu <3 yes

    • Keanu is retarded. This is why I posted his pic.

    • He's not retarded. He's just really weird.

  • Intelligence is more than just book smarts - it's emotionally intelligence, social intelligence, etc. When women make our initial assessment of a guy, we make assumptions about him based on how he carries himself, how he speaks, etc. So, it makes sense that in this "study" women's initial attraction only changed slightly when factoring in intelligence. That doesn't mean that intelligence isn't an important factor in attraction. It just means what we've all long known to be true - initial impressions matter.

    • My best friends brother is mentally retarded, he's functional though like has a shitty job and doesn't need some one to wipe his ass or what ever but he does get government financial aid and needs help with more complex things like paying his bills and sometimes he will drive hundreds of miles in the wrong direction because he missed a turn or something. In any case, he is literally to stupid to know better, he is really bad with social ques and has no understanding of emotion as it totally rules his every action in life. BUT he is just dumb enough that he doesn't understand how dumb he actually is, so he go's about life with the self assured confidence of a social titan! This guy crushes more pussy then any man I have ever known!! Like he literally constantly has no less than 3 women going at a time and they are always being rotated out for new ones. He's not picky, some are SUPER hot some are SUPER ugly.

    • @Jager66 Gold post.

    • @Jager66 : how many chicks you think he banged tough?

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  • I'm sorry, it's always been very important that the guy I'm with is intelligent. This is bulls**t and I hope men don't believe it. Women look down on men who aren't smart.

    • women look down on men with no money. intellect doesn't matter that much

    • I have a hard time believing that. I think intelligence is a bonus for women, nothing more. Most of the very, very smart people I've known have never had girlfriends, let alone attractive ones. I'm literally a genius, and I've only had one girlfriend, and that was for two months in ninth grade.

    • It is bullshit. And his "study"... if it's actually real... is completely flawed.

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  • Well, of course women in general do not care if their mate is a "genius" or not, because genius and extremely intelligent people are very rare and not only women, but most of the society do not understand them. Extreme intelligence usually comes with some autistic traits in social skills. And it makes the "person" distanced from the society not the society distanced from the person. Very intelligent people are usually very anti social. It is their autistic trait to prefer moving and staying around their own ego and self and repel others', whether in their own gender or the opposite gender.

    So they themselves kill their chances. Examples: Friedrich Nietzsche, Nikola Tesla, Arthur Schopenhauer. and none of them were "unsuccessful" in mating Schopenhauer had romantic relationships. They just didn't want a relationship.

    But going back to the topic, general intelligence, the "average intelligence", is related to average beauty.
    www.researchgate.net/.../222436245_Why_Beautiful_People_Are_More_Intelligent
    https://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/i2011.pdf

    The problem with your kind is that you think intelligence and general beauty is completely separated because there are a minority of extremely intelligent but not physically very attractive people. They aren't separated.

    Both men and women consider the more beautiful people in their own gender and in the opposite gender more intelligent. And it isn't only a stereotype.

    From an evolutionary psychology perspective, one theory is that intelligent men are/will be somewhat more successful in the society, mate with more physically attractive women, resulting in an offspring that are both more intelligent and more attractive than average. Evidence does support this.

    There is also an alternative explanation that accounts for these findings as an environmental effect. The hypothesis is that attractive children are perceived as more intelligent, resulting in more and better opportunities for them, that lead to better education, living standards, and ultimately higher intelligence.

    But intelligence is hereditary. Knowledge is born of intelligence. So putting education before genetics is meaningless. There are many many people in today's so called highly educated society who are extremely unintelligent. So the first one is logical.

    Extremely intelligent people break every single rule of nature not just the connection of beauty and intelligence. But beauty is in fact "generally" a factor in average intelligence.

    So intelligence and self-awareness are absolutely important in mating. They just come with physical beauty.

    • And when I say mating I mean being “Romantically” involved with someone, not casual sex. Casual sex is not mating, it’s casual sex. It’s a modern model for shallow fast food 21st century people to have an 11 minute pleasure. Mating in all animals is an act that ends in having children, and in many animals the couple stay with each other for at least some times. And animals like Wolves, Gibbons, Bald eagles, Swans, Albatrosses, angelfish, Prairie voles etc. stay monogamous for life. Mating in humans is not just meeting up at 8pm and having sex at 11 and leaving at 12. It’s getting involved with each other both emotionally and sexually in a relationship that couples at least think about and desire having children with each other even if they refuse to act upon their feelings. This “meeting just for sex” and “crushing pussies” is just another modern bullcrap for shitty watermelon-fucking beta males and shithead feminist women. Both are actually exceptionally unintelligent and...

    • ... confused about sex, sexual desire, romance, and mating that’s a mixture of all of them.

  • This... doesn't make sense to me. Of course, "On average" women and men aren't attracted to more intelligent people. ... On average...

    That means the "average" person (or most common), is the one making the choice. And people are attracted to other people of a similar aptitude to themselves...

    High (and probably low) intelligence is more of a rarity than average intelligence (obviously). Therefore, according to any survey, it would appear that there's no clear answer.

    • It doesn't have to make any sense. Just examine sexual partner count of various persons and you'll see that the number is highly correlated to physical attractiveness, while everything else shows weak correlation. Furthermore, there was a study which shown that sexual partner count is more correlated with lower IQs. They included few hundred students in a study and the ones who looked most attractive got most of the lays, followed by low IQ and ending with higher IQ students. One of the theories why low IQ correlates with more mating success is that low IQ induces more masculine behavior - aggression, dominance, control... or in short "the primal caveman" behaviour which women (subconsciously) find very attractive.

    • You clearly didn't understand my comment. ... And I hate repeating things when I literally wrote them down. All that study basically shows is that there is MORE people with a lower IQ, than a higher IQ (no duh). And that they will (according to you) have more sex when they meet, whereas it's rarer for people with high IQs to have sex as often. Although you threw in the "most attractive ones got the most lays" which doesn't correlate at all to intelligence so I'm no longer sure I trust your "study". It has nothing to do with girls preferring guys with moderate to low intelligence. I'M saying... there are less girls with high IQs. So of course, there is less of a mating pool for men with a similar intelligence. All that study shows is that people don't tend to date outside of their range of intelligence. The intelligent date the intelligent. The mediocre date the mediocre. The unintelligent, unintelligent.

    • That's a fair point, but the reality is that smart women don't want smart guys, either. In *theory* they might desire smart guys, but if and only if the smart guys in question possessed at least several other traits of higher importance than pure intelligence. So, in essence, intelligence is neither necessary nor sufficient as a marker of male desirability. By contrast, smart women will be attracted to less intelligent men who possess several other traits that guarantee sufficiency, such as physical attractiveness and high social status. A handsome, successful man is attractive to all women regardless of his level of intelligence. Now, perhaps some highly intelligent men and women will pair up, but these are cases in which the female is of lower status herself and thus not availed of the mate choices afforded more attractive women. But highly attractive, intelligent women mostly will not pair off with highly intelligent men. They will choose status over intelligence every time.

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  • nah i like a hot guy, thats my preference

  • Yes it is true xD xD I stay with computer scientists and astrophysicists and all of them are single.

  • I find intelligence super attractive. My boyfriend is intelligent. I wanna fuck him like a porn star.

    • tall and handsome?

    • he's 170 i think and yeah to me he's handsome.

    • if he wasn't handsome, his intelligence would be worthless.

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  • Women like intelligence because they perceive it as leading to high status job/money.

    In short these are the things that matter to women: Looks, money, social status.

  • Of course they don't. Just look at how often "nerds" end up being single or those who are socially awkward but intelligent. You could've just looked at a sample of the high school and college dating scene to confirm this.

    • Even worse is when highschool and college girls reward the bullies with sex. Females help keep the cycle of male on male violence alive. That's a harsh truth society ignores.

  • Women want, or generally want, an intelligent man to marry, but when it comes to a casual thing, 90% of women don't care how smart he is.
    it applies to men too.

    • ^^ this

  • You know what your problem is? You treat sex as if it is a gift women give to men. As if ALL men are pursuing casual sex, while ALL women aren't.

    What about the men who aren't even pursuing casual sex? Maybe there is such a high correlation of high number of sex partners and low IQ because all of the smarter men keep their dick in their pants for longer than a few days at a time, and are actually pursuing a serious relationship.

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  • I can find a dozen things wrong with how they experimented this. The control group, the length of time, the bias in the women that were used, etc... And it doesn't 'prove' anything. At best you can title this 'a psychologist hypothesized intelligence does not add to attraction at first appearance', but please don't make retarded generalizations. In any comparison you make, where two people are otherwise the same the one with more brains will be more attractive. Same goes for looks, money etc. When you throw in other factors you no longer have a controlled experiment. And stop listening to psychologists, most of it is pseudoscience.

  • Don't really care what this "one" psychologist has to say about what all females are attracted to. I chose to date my boyfriend because he's brilliant. I literally became fascinated by him because half the words he spoke I didn't understand, and had to ask him what they meant. I think verbal intelligence is so sexy. This psychologist is dead fucking wrong, at least about me. #sorryboutit <3

  • Didn't I read an article the other day how the faggot SJW's were bitching how Richard Feynman would be considered a sexual harasser in this day and age?

    If smart men are so repulsive, how come every undergrad bitch wants to ride their teachers cocks?

  • True and false although the type of girls that go for jersey shore type of guys aren't exactly the type if want bring back home to mom and dad either so tit for tat

  • I think when women say they like an intelligent man, what they really mean is someone who "gets" them and has good conversation with.
    I don't know any girl that waits outside of a physics class, because a guys knowledge on string theory is just soooo engrossing

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