The Justification of Rape in Today's Society

[Anonymous]

I firmly believe that nothing justifies rape, absolutely nothing. But, sometimes I feel as if I am alone in this. In my time on this sight I have come across a few men who have tried to justify sexual assault to me, and I was apalled. I have even come across some men in my real life who have tried to do the same.

Sexual assault happens to both men and women and it needs to stop being justified. No matter what the person has done in the past, no matter what they are wearing or doing, or if they originally said and yes and then changed their minds.

NO MEANS NO!

If a woman is breastfeeding, this is not an invitation to look at or touch her breast. If a girl or guy is dancing seductively, this not an invitation to grope them.

The other day I had a man, one of my professors in College ,tell me that if ia woman does not want to get raped then she shouldn't dress in a way that invites a rapist. Do you know what this means? It means that he thinks that if a girl wears a lowcut shirt or a miniskirt then she is asking to be raped and that is wrong because it is a justification of rape. Everyone should have the freedom to wear what they want.

Wearing sexy clothes does not cause rape, rapist cause rape.

So many people treat those who come forward with a rape claim as if they are dirty and liers is this is not good for the victims. It makes them feel as if you don't care and in most cases the rapist walks free.

My cousin was sexually assaulted by her father and they did nothing because in the end the jury came up with ways to justify it. It wasn't until she was seventeen that he signed over his parental rights.

I am saddened by modern society. The justification of rape is so common that it makes my heart hurt. I only hope that one day the justification of rape is haulted and this horrible crime is taken seriously along with other forms of sexuall assault on both men and women...because it can happen to men too and people need to quit acting like men are immune to sexual assault.

[LogicBomber]

EVERYONE in society believes that nothing justifies rape. FFS!
But that doesn't mean not holding people responsible for their own choices and decisions either.

You are right, sexual assault of men, by women, is definitely justified/ignored/excused/etc.
But society doesn't justify rape of women.

That doesn't mean women shouldn't take some basic fucking steps to protect themselves from bad people or expect bad people to magically stop being bad people because they feel entitled.

When the definition of rape means shit like "regret", "feeling obligate", or having a sip of alcohol and claiming you are "drunk"... then you make rape a joke. It's not people justifying it, it's people who believe the rape nonsense that make it hard for real rape to be taken seriously. If you want real rape victims to not "look like dirty liars" then you need to stop with the nonsense definitions of rape and making a mocker of it.

"If a woman is breastfeeding, this is not an invitation to look at or touch her breast."
NO SHIT. It's also not RAPE if someone does.

The professor is 100% right. He wasn't saying she "DESERVED" to be raped. He was simply saying that bad people exist and therefore we humans should take precautions to protect ourselves from bad people. When it's our property it seems logical enough, we lock our door, we hide our valuables, etc. This isn't rocket science. But for some magical mentally defunct reason, this logic vanishes when it comes to women taking responsibility for themselves.
I have "every right" to walk down an alley in Detroit covered in gold jewelry... But I won't fucking do it! Because I don't want to die! I can't simply say "teach thieves not to steal" and expect that they will magically stop.

As for your "rape stats" which are obviously from some bullshit feminist echo chamber...
They are FALSE!
LESS than 1 in 1000 rapes happen in the US per YEAR.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv16.pdf
This includes the fabricated variation of "those who don't come forward" (your post says 60% and it's sometimes 80, others say 90 because fabricated numbers can be anything.)
This 1 in 1000 also doesn't remove the 40% of rape accusations that end up false. SO actual rape is not as common as your ideology would have you believe. Fake victim culture is a shame and you need to stop pushing the fear-mongering.

[Chief16]

If you bolt up the door of your house and take enough precaution, you can most certainly prevent a break in or worse, something lethal.
However if you keep your door open and say 'its my freedom I can do whatever the hell I want', you're just asking for trouble. Why do murderers murder? Or rapists rape? Well, whatever sick reasons these fucks give, its pretty simple, they do this stuff because they can.
Nothing can be done about that, but something can definitely be done about our safety. Nobody is justifying rape. I'd rather it not happen at all than go punishing the sicko who committed the act. After all prevention is better than the cure.

[cipher42]

Are you intentionally missing the point? First off, regardless of how strong the temptation/opportunity to commit a crime was, it's still a fucking crime. The issue here is that way too many people try to justify rape and don't treat it as an actual crime just because they think there was some sort of temptation. Secondly, your example just doesn't work. Your example is about the crime being easy to commit, not there being too much temptation to avoid it, which is what the "dressed inappropriately" argument is about. If someone's walking around town dressed nicely and in a way that makes them look affluent, no one sees that as asking to get mugged because they're showing off how much money they have. But besides that, statistically, people are more likely to be raped by someone they already know. So obviously it ain't about just straight up temptation, it's a lot more personal than that, so your example really does not apply in the slightest anyhow.

[Chief16]

@cipher42 know who is justifying rape? Most of these people don't even know difference between sexual harassment, sexual assault and rape, so guess what they do? Clump them in the same category. Do you think anyone in their right mind go about asking for life imprisonment because someone slapped their butt?

[cipher42]

You're changing the subject. Getting those categories confused isn't justifying rape, how can you even claim that? And you are aware that rape is a form of sexual assault, yes? And that all three are in fact interrelated issues, so addressing all of them in the same discussion is entirely reasonable. But in any case, as I said, you're changing the subject. What you are talking about is not the subject at hand, and you are once again completely missing the point and for some reason choosing to talk about your own issues rather than the ones actually being discussed.

[Chief16]

@cipher42 so who's justifying rape and how exactly? My point is simple, people do whatever they do, simply because they can. I'm not talking about temptation or sexual urge. You're the one bringing that stuff up. Rape culture is an exaggeration, don't check media, check the national database. Nobody is saying rape isn't a issue. Its a serious one, but its blown way out of proportion. One in every five American women are raped? Seriously? That's 34 million women, right there. Dude, come on.

[cipher42]

As the OP states in the take. People who claim that the victim somehow brought the rape or sexual assault upon themselves and thus the crime need not be taken seriously. You absolutely are talking about temptation. What else was the "leaving your door open" comparison supposed to be exactly? And are you saying that the 1/5 is inaccurate or that it isn't that much? Because if the former, provide sources, and if the latter, I honestly have no idea how you can think that way.

[Chief16]

@cipher42 omg dude, baseless assumptions, I've repeated three times over, and for the last time. People will do what they want simply because they can. Look at AlDeEuropes post, that femisinst enthusiast Jac-whatever the name is loves posting that stuff. Nobody is denying that rape isn't an issue, the real victims are often eclipsed underneath by more publicized, media centric cases. And that's rape culture for you. An extreme feminists take on rape.

[M_A_X]

@cipher42 I love how feminists always turn it the hell around and act like this. Can you help prevent yourself from being raped? Sure can. Nobody has said that if you don't prevent rape that the crime shouldn't be taken seriously. FUCKING NOBODY except the voices in your head. It doesn't matter how easy a crime is to commit, nobody stops taking it seriously. Quit talking because none of what you say has any logic behind it.

[lumos]

@M_A_X a girl was gang raped by 6 guys in a closet at a party in Sweden. The guys were released shortly after, because "According to the Court of Appeal, there is no evidence that the 15-year-old girl, who did not know any of the boys, was in any type of danger had she resisted. The Court of Appeal also question the girl because it was too dark in the room be absolutely sure of who did what to her. The Court also thinks that the girl had the opportunity to leave the apartment." She was gang raped. In a closet. 6 men attacked her, and the court somehow thinks the rape was justified because it was dark, she "could have resisted" against 6 fully grown men in order to flee from the apartment. She wasn't taken seriously and the men were released after only a few months because she was paralyzed and didn't try to fight these 6 men.

[M_A_X]

@lumos Do you live in Sweden? Anecdotal evidence is useless anyway This one bad thing happened this one time, so the whole world is fucked

[M_A_X]

@lumos Do you live in Sweden, do you have proof that this happened? This is "he said, she said" shit. That's why anecdotal evidence is useless in any kind of debate. Where did you read this? I'm assuming it's a news story and someone didn't just tell you, because that would make you an idiot

[Chief16]

@M_A_X she does. @lumos I would like a link.

[lumos]

I live in Finland but speak Swedish.
www.svd.se/starka-reaktioner-pa-valdtaktsfriande
www.dn.se/.../

[lumos]

@M_A_X there are your links. Use google translate or something.

[Chief16]

@lumos beg your pardon. Thanks.

[Chief16]

@lumos damn... There should've been a full fledged investigation, even the public took up arms.

[lumos]

This is what I mean. And this happened in Sweden, supposedly the "most feminist country evar".

[M_A_X]

@lumos Sweden is the most corrupt country on the planet, so I'm not sure what you mean by that. You're the bank of the world and where everyone goes to avoid taxes and extradition

[Chief16]

@M_A_X I think you're talking about Switzerland... @lumos But for real, six guys, if they cracked even one guy to rat on the rest, there wouldn't even be a trial.

[Waffles731]

@M_A_X No that would be Switzerland or france

[hazoplmeught]

@cipher42 im not even gonna read all these, in blunt and laymans terms IF U DRESS LIKE A SLUT U LOOK LIKE you're TRYNA GET FUCKED (if u dress up like a construction worker someone will ask do u do construction) U might give the wrong guy a hard dick and it goes down from there

[lumos]

Lol at people claiming "rape culture doesn't exist in America". Then why is it still so important to ask the victim what they were wearing? If they were drinking? If they decided to walk alone or with friends? Why do we ask the victims those questions that mean jack shit to the actual investigation, instead of asking if they're ok, or encouraging them to tell people what happened? Why do people still hold the victim partially or entirely accountable for what happened, even if there was nothing the victim could have done to prevent it from happening? Why do male victims of rape get laughed at, criticized and brushed off when they step forward? When the rapists are young, athletic men who were seemingly doing well in school etc, why is the victim blamed for "ruining their bright future"? Why is there no sympathy for the victim and what they went through? Why are we crying over a future that the rapists themselves ruined? (Ex. Steubenville High school rape case). On gag, I've seen (western) men claim that a woman "deserves to get raped" if she cheats. Why is it that rapists are excused from committing statutory rape because the victim is deemed as "looking older than their actual age"? Why is it that when the victim of rape is paralyzed with fear, unable to kick, scream, call for help, or otherwise incapable of getting away from the situation, it's seen as consent? Like if the victim doesn't make an effort to aggressively get out of the rapist's grip, it's their own fault for getting raped? Or it somehow justifies the rape?
All of these things happen. All. The. Fucking. Time. That's what rape culture is. You people are ignorant as fuck and absolutely BLIND if you can't see that this shit happens everywhere in the world.

[lumos]

"Help me officer! Someone just broke into my house and stole all my valuable items!" "Ok. But what were you wearing?" "Excuse me?" "Were you drinking?" "How is this even rel-" "Did you try to defend yourself and/or your belongings? Did you at any point yell at them to leave your house?" "I'm-" "Dear God, this person you're accusing of robbing your house is a famous athlete. Their career is going to be completely ruined, all because of you!" "I don't even care, I just want my stuff-" "You should be ashamed of yourself. You shouldn't have been wearing those clothes or drinking. You should have made an effort to defend your belongings. Buy some pepper spray and a gun." See how ridiculous that sounds?

[jacquesvol]

@lumos I'm with you on this.

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

You deserve an award dude, well said!

[M_A_X]

Come on now, Lumos. Rape isn't a culture. Rapists don't all get together and have tea and discuss their latests rapes. Rape happens, it's not a fucking culture.

[M_A_X]

Lumos, sorry, but if someone broke into your car, they're going to ask if you had your door locked or not, not about what you were wearing. Stick to one topic at a time, because you're horrible with comparisons. Yeah, it sure does sound ridiculous, because everything you said is a logical fallacy.

[lumos]

@M_A_X rape culture = a culture in which rape is normalized, minimized. When you treat the victims of rape like I mentioned above, you're perpetuating rape culture. A culture in which the victim is always somehow to blame for it and has to take some or most of the responsibility. A culture in which some people "deserve to get raped". I've never heard any officer ask about locks. Usually they begin looking at the damage and making a list of what was taken. Lol, just stop.

[M_A_X]

lol Sorry, but you think that rape is normalized in our culture? You must be thinking of some middle eastern country. Rape isn't minimalised or normalized in the United States. The example you gave above is stupid, and I pointed out why once already. Nobody is saying the victim is to blame, they're saying there are things you can do to minimalize the risk, nobody is minimalizing the actual crime. This is also not a culture where anybody says "you deserve to get raped" again, you're confusing victim blaming with common sense precautions. LOL You stop because you're lacking in any kind of basic logic skills

[M_A_X]

If you crash your car because it's icy outside, is it your fault? No, the roads are bad and shit happens, there are however, precautions you can take to help prevent yourself from crashing. If we're talking about rape, carrying around a can of mace is useful, unless the rapist has a weapon himself, in which case you'd better be sure that you can get away before you provoke him to violence.

[lumos]

@M_A_X "Nobody is saying the victim is to blame, they're saying there are things you can do to minimalize the risk" Same thing. "You are to blame if you don't take precautions. You could have prevented it. You're responsible for getting raped". Rape is normalized in our culture. Western culture. In the US and Europe. Read my opinion again if you need examples of how and why it's normalized. I've seen guys on here tell girls that they deserve to get raped. Even had a few guys PM me to tell me that, all from the US. Your head is in the sand if you don't realize that.

[jacquesvol]

@Chief16 (and others here) "nobody is saying rape isn't an issue? By throwing away thousands of not analyzed raped kits, by not transmitting cases to the D. A. cops are just doing that. By not prosecuting rape D. A. s do it. By hammering on and grossly exaggerating the importance of a tiny percent of 'unjustified' reports several Gag members do it. Week after week.

[itsallover]

@M_A_X You're perpetuating the idea that rape only happens in dark alleyways of which a serial rapist stalks at night to track down his next victim. Over 50% of people are raped by someone they know and trust, in the comfort of their own homes. Now apply your 'advice' to those situations. No one expects to be raped where they feel safest and who they feel the safest around. But, it happens. And opinion owner, I agree, rape seems to be the only offence where people will try to excuse why it happened and blame the victim. Literally.

[Negrodamuss]

i'm sure you and i will have a real conversation on the matter at some point. At the moment, you don't really understand my position on it

[lumos]

@Negrodamuss I do understand you perspective. I also disagree with it. Rape culture isn't about entirely accepting rape. Rape culture is about silencing and blaming victims, laughing at them, telling them that they should have been more careful, that they should have been armed somehow, that it's their fault that a young athlete's future is ruined, that they shouldn't have been wearing this, acting like that, drinking etc. Whenever the entire focus of the rape case is taken off the actual rapist and put on the victim only, that's when rape culture is perpetuated. We shouldn't be asking the victim why they were dressed a certain way, why they didn't do anything, why they trusted the rapist to begin with etc. We should be asking them if they're ok. If they need anything. Help them. A lot of male victims of rape also face rape culture when they're laughed at, told to "suck it up", asked why they didn't just enjoy it etc. That's what rape culture is. It's a subtle form of normalizing and

[lumos]

@Negrodamuss trivializing rape, as well as shaming the victims for what they've been through by asking them irrelevant questions.

[jacquesvol]

@lumos Some people on the GOP side take a clear stand:
4.bp.blogspot.com/.../Clayton%2BWilliams.jpg

Of course, that's no 'rape culture'.
Clayton Williams sexual assault
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[Negrodamuss]

if i believed that the majority of people in our society were like this, then i would be on your side.

[lumos]

@Negrodamuss a frighteningly large amount of people do believe and say these things, though. Especially people who are in positions of power, such as the police and judges who release rapists because of how the victims were dressed or because they didn't resist enough. In a society where rapists walk free despite clear evidence of what they did, in a society where the victim is held accountable for getting raped, is a society in which rape culture exists. That's just how it is, whether you like it or not.

[lumos]

@Negrodamuss not to mention how many politicians also spout bullshit about rape. Such as "women can't get pregnant from being raped since the vagina goes into self-defense mode", and claiming that you should just relax and enjoy the rape. That's rape culture. That's trivializing and normalizing rape.

[Negrodamuss]

"a frighteningly large amount of people do believe and say these things" perhaps, but at the moment its largely a guess and an estimation over how many people actually think this way. I believe that the stories covering these lapses in judgement when it comes to true rape cases become stories because of how abnormal they are, not because of how frequently they occur... just as how many false rape accusation stories make it into the media because of how infrequently they actually occur also. Things that occur frequently tend to not make it into media stories because there is no story to be told over something that happens every day. There will always be some collection of people who misuse their power/authority to make a wrong call on a case, or perpetuate total untruths. These are certainly problems, and they definitely should be dealt with accordingly. But are these people in the majority? At the moment, i have no reason to believe so

[lumos]

@Negrodamuss this isn't just about the media or news stories though. This is something people say all the time, in real life and online, as bypassing comments that seem harmless to them. They also don't have to be the majority in order to perpetuate rape culture. Rape culture exists as long as there are people out there who say these things and trivialize/normalize rape.

[lumos]

@Negrodamuss rape culture is a structure in which people don't take the victims seriously, let the rapists walk free, judge the victims and their credibility based on what they were wearing or doing at the time of the rape. Rape culture =/= something the majority has to actively support and accept, in order for it to be true.

[Negrodamuss]

For me, the word culture is very all-encompassing. For me to say i lived in a rape culture, there would have to be some reason for me to believe that this was something so prevalent and pervasive that it was something that i legitimately had to worry about on a regular basis. I can't call it a rape culture if its not a belief prevalent enough to warrant immediate concern. People say a lot of things all the time... especially on the internet where they think they can do so without being judged for it. If i took what i saw personally online or in real life as something that was widespread enough to warrant immediate concern, I'd walk out of my house everyday afraid to get lynched... but I don't. I see a lot of racist comments, for instance, after every shooting involving a black person. Does the fact that a number of these people exist online and in real life mean that i live in a racist culture? To me it doesn't.

[Negrodamuss]

These people... racists, rape apologists, etc will always exist within my [western/American] culture. There's no ifs ands or buts about that. But this fact alone does not mean that the culture supports the existence of these people within it... and this is the fundamental thing that matters more to me than the instances of racism, rape and other such crimes. You say that, "Rape culture =/= something the majority has to actively support and accept, in order for it to be true." My response is that this majority you speak of makes up the very culture that you are referring to. The people are what make the culture, not the other way around. The culture bends to the will of the masses that create it. I cannot believe that i live in a rape culture if the people that dictate the tenants/beliefs of that culture by and large are staunchly opposed to very mishaps that you and I both see as problems concerning rape and rape apology

[lumos]

@Negrodamuss how you feel about the word "culture" and its usage in this context doesn't really mean much, though. You as a man already don't have to worry that much about rape since you're not in the targeted group. Women do, though. How you feel about it doesn't determine the validity and the existence of rape culture.

[Negrodamuss]

"You as a man already don't have to worry that much about rape since you're not in the targeted group. Women do, though. How you feel about it doesn't determine the validity and the existence of rape culture." Certainly. The way anyone feels about a certain subject is not what determines the validity of what they're saying. Only evidence can do that job. Which is why my position on this is based on a lack of sufficient evidence which proves to me that this is a problem prevalent enough within the culture to warrant me labelling the whole culture as a rape culture

[Negrodamuss]

Anyways, as i'm sure you probably don't want to spend the whole day debating with me about the topic, you can have the last word on it

[lumos]

@Negrodamuss it's not labeling the whole culture as a rape culture. Rape culture is a thing of its own.

[M_A_X]

@Lumos No, no rape culture is not a thing of it's own. You're not aware of how to speak English or what these words mean, apparently. A rape culture is a culture in which rape is normalized and minimized. Normalized means that it happens all the time and nobody cares. If it was normalized then there wouldn't be a law against rape, because rape would be a normal thing to do, like having milk with cereal

[lumos]

@M_A_X yeah, congrats for noticing that English isn't my first language. But yes, in this instance rape culture is a thing of its own because rape culture doesn't define any major cultures as a whole. Laws against rape are often very slippery and don't work in favor of the victim, like the Swedish case I mentioned they made a point do discuss how the laws are flawed because the 6 people who committed the gang rape were able to walk free due to some shitty circumstances that don't make any sense. Rape isn't normalized the same way eating cereal with milk is normalized. If you're still confused about how it's normalized and trivialized, read the original opinion I posted over and over until you actually get it.

[lumos]

they made a point to discuss*

[M_A_X]

Can you explain how laws don't work in favor of the victim? I don't know anything about Swiss laws, and am not all that interested in them anyway. I think people need to focus on their own backyards before they get involved with other peoples'. I'm sorry, but that sounds like propaganda, and not actual facts. This isn't how you make a logical point. You don't say "read what I said over and over". That seems more akin to some type of brainwashing than any type of logic.

[Kylesar]

2.bp.blogspot.com/.../rape-culture2.png

You have 0 perspective on law, investigation protocol and how the smallest details can help an investigation

"What were you wearing"
Helps reconstruct the scene

"Drinking"
Date rape drugs, and see above

"Alone or with friends"
WITNESSES. Holy shit

"Asking if they're ok"
Tell me how that helps find and put the rapist away? They're still out there

"Holding the victim responsible."
In what way?

"Male rape victims."
While I agree, this just seems like nothing more than a convenience case. Feminists don't give a shit about men

"No sympathy."
A blatant lie, plus your school case is far from representative as it's one case

"GaG"
Shall I remind you that you're on the INTERNET?

"statutory rape."
Unless you're talking about female on male statutory rape or child molestation, it's a rare thing

The irony of ignorance here is insane. There is no fucking rape culture, and you need a hell of a better argument

[lumos]

@M_A_X why do you keep dragging Switzerland into this? Sweden and Switzerland are different countries. Did you even read the articles I sent to you? In it, they talked about how the law made it possible for those 6 rapists to walk free, because of how the law was phrases (something along the lines of the victim having to struggle more). That law has had a slight change now, but it still basically means the same thing and rapists can still walk free because of how it's phrased, even if there is enough evidence for the attack. It's putting the blame and responsibility on the victim. This is an issue that concerns many different laws like that, it makes it easier for the attacker to just walk with barely any consequences. No it's not brainwashing. I'm just saying that it seems like you're not even reading what I'm saying, totally disregarding it for whatever reason, even though these things happen ALL the time.

[lumos]

@Kylesar doesn't help setting the scene at all. Rapists attack victims regardless of what they're wearing. When the police ask victims if they were drunk, they usually do it because it's a loophole. "Oh you were drunk, what if you consented to it but don't remember?" Very rarely does it have anything to do with date rape drugs because that's not something they'd have to directly ask her, she'd probably tell them on her own that she was drugged. "Alone or with friends" is again a way to shift the blame on the victim. "You shouldn't be walking alone at night" etc. And again, doesn't mean much to the investigation since rapists usually know their victims on a personal level. It doesn't help put the rapist away but the victim was JUST going through a traumatic event that could possibly ruin his/her mental state for a REALLY long time. Being insensitive and asking rude questions would only make it worse. You have to take care of any kind of victim.

[lumos]

@Kylesar holding the victim responsible by saying "it's your fault, you shouldn't have been wearing that, drinking, doing that, saying that, trusting that person" etc. I, as a feminist, do care about men. Sod off with that pathetic assumption. My school case is one among many. It doesn't matter that we're on the INTERNET, that's the worst excuse and argument EVER. Statutory rape is not at all a rare thing oh my fucking god.

[M_A_X]

Lots of things happen all the time, Lumos. The world is a dark and scary place, and many people become far too complacent with the peace that they think exists. There are always going to be rapists who get away with what they've done. Taking up this fight by yourself is pointless. It's much better to focus on things that you can personally change. Please take this advice for the future, think about it, and understand what I'm really trying to tell you.

[lumos]

@M_A_X and now you're justifying rape by saying that it's just something that'll happen no matter what and that I shouldn't even try to make a change. Lol. Good bye.

[marksmith311]

Calm down dear

[FakeName123]

"Help me officer! Someone just broke into my house and stole all my valuable items!" "Ok. But what were you wearing?" "Excuse me?" You know what they would be asking? If you locked your doors. #victimblamingcops Topkek

[lumos]

@FakeName123 lol no. They would ask what they took.

[FakeName123]

I have been brkoen in at my place and they definitely did also ask if my doors were locked and have to. Ask any cop though. Go to your local police station and just ask them if "were the doors locked" is a common question to ask if there was a house-robbing.

[jacquesvol]

@M_A_X no, I suppose they drink beer or Bourbon discussing it: they're alpha males!

[jacquesvol]

But there's a future after rape. See the Steubenville OH case: the guys can continue their football career. Who cares about the girl? Pfff "Boys will be boys"

[lumos]

@FakeName123 lmao nope. My friend's house was robbed too. All the police asked was how they got in (through the window) and what they took. Never if the doors were locked or not. What kind of question would that even be? Like how is it even necessary to know for the investigation? It isn't.

[jacquesvol]

"Boys will be boys" well known sentence, symbol of our rape culture. Calling girls 'hos' or 'sluts', same.

[jacquesvol]

Here, Steubenville:
www.people.com/.../0,,20889803,00.html

[FakeName123]

You have the answer. Since the robbers entered the house through the window it wasn't necessary to ask if the door was locked. And I assume it was broken, because else they surely would have asked if the window was closed or not. Comes down to the very same though - just that in that specific case they didn't have to ask the question, because the way the robbers entered the house was clear early on.

[lumos]

@FakeName123 except that he called the equivalent of 991 in Finland and they asked these questions over the phone, they had no idea the robbers had broken through the window :)

[FakeName123]

And when he called the 911 they didn't ask him how the robber entered at all, right? Except he might have stated it by himself to begin with. Why do cops ask that? Because it's important and of relevance to create the circumstances of the crime. And the same applies to rape cases. It's not the cops duty to show sympathy, but to figure out what happened and hopefully get the perpetrator. You are just trying to be right at this point without anything else to come up with.

[hazoplmeught]

thats not called justifying rape, thats callled investigating why you were in the position to get raped. If i move from point a to point b, would u ask how i got there if u wanted to know?

[lumos]

@hazoplmeught except that it isn't important to the investigation. It's been proven that rapists don't give a shit about what the victim is wearing. If a cop asks a victim if they were drinking, it's usually done with a condescending motive, as in "it's your own fault, you got drunk". It also doesn't really matter if the victim was drunk or not, since it doesn't change the fact that it happened. Also the victim will probably explain that on their own when retelling what happened. Highlighting that they were drunk doesn't help the investigation.

[hazoplmeught]

no officer asks u if u had booty shorts on, other people do

[lumos]

@hazoplmeught some officers do ask what you're wearing. It's pretty common for cops to ask such questions. Maybe read some stories online told by the victims, about how the justice system treated them.

[hazoplmeught]

why does if matter what the cop asked anyway? he was probably curious and u can say u dnt wanna respond

[lumos]

@hazoplmeught because what the cops ask can be a direct reflection of negative stereotypes considering rape and victim-shaming. Such as, you're partially or fully responsible for getting raped if you dressed a certain way or if you were drunk etc. That's putting the blame on the victim, blame that should be 100% on the rapist and NOT the victim. These questions are not helpful to the investigation, they discourage victims from stepping forward and they guilt-trip victims into thinking that they somehow deserved to, or are responsible for getting raped. When that's not the case. It's 100%, every single time, the rapist's fault that the rape happened.

[hazoplmeught]

(ive been busy for an hour) if u knew forensics you are supposed to ask everything about a scene so that in court they can make sure you are consistent with your story

[lumos]

@hazoplmeught you don't seem to understand what kind of perspective I'm trying to show you.

[jacquesvol]

@hazoplmeught that's television show forensics. The local cop wants the crusty details to repeat them to his friends.. and the rapist might be an untouchable pillar of society in the town. Thus "let's get over and done with that crybaby! She must have been askin' fo it."

[hazoplmeught]

that is natural to want to know all the crusty details bc who wants a story that leaves out interesting details. I mean it is messed up but if someone tells u a story u want to know everything. The cop won't decide if u go to jail or not and those details won't CHANGE ANYTHING unless if u are inconsistent with your story (i learned in psychology they may ask what color shirt and other stuff to test your story). It is natural as a human being to ask those type of questions sorry.

[becca123]

The problem is that too many people scream rape when it isn't true. Some play the card for sympathy, some to justify their own poor choices, some for revenge on a guy. And in today's pansy society, if a guy accidentally brushes up against a girl in a crowded mall she can scream assault. It is ridiculous and makes people less likely to trust a rape claim. I hold yet again that rape is rarely a sexual crime at its heart. It is anger, control, humiliation hatred of women in the majority of stranger rape cases. Has nothing to do with looking at a breast while breast feeding.

[SmolAngerChild]

Preach cause it seems like nobody else will.-.

[Rawrzz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKgrYVtYSCk

Nope. Rape paranoia culture.

[mrfoox]

I agree on you on this, I've come across too many men and women who tries to justify rape, and it makes me sick... The amount of comments on this thread with upset males also saddens me 😔

[SüßeJäger]

I think rapists and child molesters should be executed. They're not fixable.

[QuestionMan]

Agreed

[Panay]

I wouldn't wuite agree with that. Imagine a desperate nerdy 16 year old. He gets pissed at a party, and there's a girl alone in the bedroom who doesn't really want it but is too drunk to really fight him either. He fucks her, then next morning realises what he's don, feels like shit and does everything he can to make it better. Now this is still disgusting behaviour and there's no excuse. This guy clearly has some major issues, but I definitely wouldn't say he should be executed.

[SüßeJäger]

@Panay obviously there would be different degrees just like everything else. If you kill someone, your not going to always be executed. Anything from execution to a ruling of justifiable homicide could be possible and justifiable homicide is legal.

[Panay]

i'm just generally against capital punishment-it's too final, and imagine the issues they'd have with false cases. Corporal punishment on the other hand...

[SüßeJäger]

@Panay I don't mind corporal punishment. I think it would work well for these little 15 year old pricks that go around spray painting stuff. The first time, they should have to wash it off while wearing nothing but a pink thong and then sing "I'm a little tea cup" in front of the town with the dance and all. The second time, add an ass whippin. Capital punishment should be used with caution in certain cases where there is no question of guilt. I think releasing someone who is guilty is better than executing or giving life in prison to an innocent person. I do think the victim should have the right to decide the fate of the guilty when capital punishment is an option.

[Panay]

Nah I'd say for extreme punishments basically use them as slaves. Productive for society, don't need as much looking after as they would in prison, but less harsh and (arguably) uncivilised than execution.

[SüßeJäger]

@Panay that is a good idea in many ways. Most states have some for of a chain gang where they have prisoners do the shit jobs. At the same time, some of that would be great but too much would cost jobs cuz slave labor is cheaper than paying a person to do it.

[Panay]

give them jobs that no one wants, or potentially dangerous work. and leave anything they do open for anyone else to apply for.

[SüßeJäger]

@Panay I agree

[M_A_X]

@Panay You can't say "they should all be executed" one minute and then say "there are different degrees" the next, buddy. You have to watch those broad statements.

[SüßeJäger]

@M_A_X I never said they should all be executed. Read it again. There's always different degrees on breaking laws. They are automatically built in through judges and prosecutors deciding intent, how it happened, why it happened etc.

[LovelyComputerVirus]

I was raped when I was 13 and my rape never even went to trial because he was "a horny teenager just trying to have some fun"... Thank you for writing this.

[Spiorad_Aisce]

I totally agree with your statement no justification for rape or sexual assault within the parameters of your take. It is such an emotive issue, you have to be careful in what language you, there are cases of false rape accusations such as people who had sex and regretted it who resort to assault accusations to cover their tracks and also a philosophy that every guy who hits on a girl is a pervert regardless on how polite they were.
We can a 100% agree nothing justifies sexual assault/rape no matter what the victim does but I feel a grey area must be highlighted which affects men and genuine assault/rape victims.
That said I have no figures to hand but I would surmise that the very vast majority of claims of assault/rape are legitimate probably well into the high 90s percents but a small grey area exists.
What I am saying the behaviour of certain groups in our society is appalling but that doesn't make every person of that group a potential rapist.
In conclusion, your logic is totally sound and holds water but don't allow it to be hijacked and pushed too far so that positions become polarised. I say this a lot about the more controversial topics on here. explore what you have in common rather than your differences. As a group all agree sexual assault/rape is wrong, what can be done as a society to change attitudes that facilitate or give people an "Out" legally or societally. As a group you will find a lot of common ground/behaviours that will be deemed inappropriate or indefensible.
Really when it comes down to it we want the victims to get a fair process and to prevent as many future incidents as possible,

[M_A_X]

That's a very valid point. There are many false rape accusations that occur, and the sad thing is, you don't see women getting mad at the females who report false rapes, when you'd think that would be the most appalling thing to them.

[Josht11]

I agree that some of the people you mentioned are retarded especially that professor I'm sure he'd like to know that rapists tend to prey more on those who are covered up and are less confident. However you gotta agree that rape has become like the ultimate crime these days especially with feminists, people are calling for no evidence to convict rapists just look at the ghomeshi and duke lacrosse team cases.

Finally your bottom image is very misleading and actually BULLSHIT first of sexual assault is a very broad term I'm having trouble finding accurate sexual assault stats and I can't be arsed searching longer but the every 2 mins is almost definitely bollocks this is assuming that all reported cases are 100% accurate. Secondly saying 97% of the perpetrators won't spend a single day in jail is very suspicious language if they don't go to jail then how are they perpetrators they haven't been convicted they are innocent until proven guilty, only with rape does this thing happen where evidence isn't required and people actually think there's a rape culture.

[AleDeEurope]

Bullshit. There's no rape culture. Stop trying to make it a thing cause it's not.
Sexual assault isn't rape, don't even compare them, cause touching a girl's breast, or a man's chest, without consent, is sexual assault, and that is not traumatizing like rape.

NOTHING justifies rape and sexual assault, I do agree on that. It is wrong and those people should be put in jail. But how are you gonna put someone in jail when you don't have prove of their actions? If there's no signs that they were raped, and it's your word against their's, how can you expect the judge to send the other person to jail? You can't, it's impossible cause you can't send a person to jail just because of what someone says, unless that someone is a witness, that's different.

Again, there's no rape culture, that will mean that most people get raped, and that this isn't condemned, which is absolute bullshit, cause if in prisons, rapists and child molesters get treated like shit by other inmates, if criminals are against those actions, the rest of the population is too.

And by the way, most rape statistics are lies, cause it doesn't match up with the rest of the stats.

[Chief16]

I know right, women are being raped faster than infants being born. Lol, some genius must've taken all the estimated rapes in a year and divided it by the number of minutes in a year, to get some average. And used it as a punchline to astonish people who can't use common sense.

[jacquesvol]

"There's no rape culture." But:
rainn.org/files/uploadedFiles/SA_statistics.jpg
rainn.org/.../frequency-of-sexual-assault
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rainn.org/files/uploadedFiles/Reporting.jpg
rainn.org/.../reporting-rates
You're safe If you... BUT
rainn.org/files/uploadedFiles/aboutoffenders.jpg
rainn.org/.../sexual-assault-offenders

[AleDeEurope]

@Chief16 According to the FBI's crimes statistics, less that 100 thousand women raped in 2014. That's 0.03% of women in the US got raped. Not even 1%. But apparently, 1 in 5 US women will get raped in their lifetime. Please, can someone explain how is that even possible? Do those people even know basic mathematics?

[AleDeEurope]

@jacquesvol 293,000 sexual assaults (which is NOT the same as rape) in a year is 0.09% of the population. How can THAT be considered rape culture? Not even 1% of the population gets sexually assaulted, and even less get raped. Yes, rape and sexual assault is awful, it needs to be stopped, but you can't stop it with lies.

[jacquesvol]

@AleDeEurope
"Out of every 100 instances of rape, only 7 lead to an arrest, and only 3 are referred to prosecutors" rainn.org/.../working-with-the-criminal-justice-system
-IF the cops throw the rape kits away without testing: www.theguardian.com/.../sexual-assault-rape-kit-backlog-ignored-destroyed
-IF the cops don't refer cases to the DA or
-IF the DA doesn't prosecute because it's low priority, then you get low rape stats, of course.

[AleDeEurope]

@jacquesvol But the stats aren't of how many arrests were made, it's about how many rapes occurred. Yes, I know some rapes aren't reported, but they still take them into account in the estimates. Stop looking at that website, and check the FBI's.

[Chief16]

@AleDeEurope nobody is justifying rape, let alone encourage it, its the mass hysteria and the media drive to make the headlines, because at the end of the day, sex sells, no matter how crude, disturbing or vile it is.

[jacquesvol]

rape culture doesn't exist in america All rapists live in Antarctica and Arabia.

[M_A_X]

@jacquesvol Rape is not "rape culture" old man. Quit abusing logical fallacies to make faux points

[FakeName123]

@jacquesvol

Meanwhile this is what RAINN says about Rape-Culture: “In the last few years, there has been an unfortunate trend towards blaming “rape culture” for the extensive problem of sexual violence on campuses. While it is helpful to point out the systemic barriers to addressing the problem, it is important to not lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime”

rainn.org/.../rainn-urges-white-house-task-force-to-overhaul-colleges-treatment-of-rape

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

All the people saying "if I leave my door open and I get robbed it's my fault"
Are you fucking joking? The girl isn't sitting her with her vagina open, and even if she was that doesn't give you the right to touch her. So because your door is open it's justified for me to go in and steal your belongings, you were asking for it right? I shouldn't face any penalties? A guy got raped but he had a visible erection in his pants before so he clearly asked for it right? Why else would he have an erection if he didn't want to have sex? How can you be so ignorant to make comments like that?

Someone mentioned rape being natural. Animals also kill each other for territory and mates, do we do that too, I mean we should because it's only natural right? Like really, are you really using animals to justify rape? That's sickening.

[M_A_X]

Yeah, here's the thing. If you leave your door unlocked, you make it easier for the criminal, and someone who may not have broken into your car if it was locked, might do it. Do you not understand this? Nobody is saying it's justified or your fault, but you're making it easier for them if they're that kind of person.

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

@M_A_X a person who rapes will usually rape regardless of what a girl is wearing, they are sick individuals. Just because it is easier doesn't mean it's fine. A lot of the people here are saying it's justified, the girl is practically inviting him in. Something you learn as a girl: a perv will perv regardless of what you wear. Just yesterday I walked to Starbucks from my house in jeans and a tee shirt, no way suggestive or sexy and I had a man roll down his window and whistle at me. Was I asking for it? No the guy is just a creep. Thus, your example doesn't make sense to me. How is me wearing a pair of shorts "making it easier" for me to get raped. I live in So. Cal it gets hot, should I just wear jeans and sweats in 100°+ weather so guys don't feel the need to harass me?

[M_A_X]

Yeah, that's not really always true. Some rapists will rape no matter what you wear, some will only do it if you're wearing something specific. If you found out there was a serial killer who was only killing women with blonde hair, would you dye your hair brown or black, or take the risk?

[M_A_X]

Some people who are mentally ill have triggers. Some rapists only rape women who are walking alone at night. There are lots of possibilities. I don't know which college teacher told you that, but you should slap him for being an idiot

[jacquesvol]

@M_A_X If all girls started wearing high quality steel chastity belts with double locks and alarm sirens there'd be less rape, indeed. Those whores without chastity belts or with chesp ones

[jacquesvol]

... or with cheap copies were just ASKING to be raped! (Sarcadm)

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

@M_A_X no college teacher told me that I'm talking f from experience amd what I've seen. It's clear to me you will probably never understand since you are not a woman. You don't seem to understand that you could wear a nun outfit and guys will still comment and look at you and whistle.

[M_A_X]

That's also a logical fallacy "You won't understand because you're not a woman", when this has nothing to do with being a woman, it has to do with being able to understand your surroundings on a basic level. You lack logic skills Oh, so now looking and whistling is the same as raping you?

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

@M_A_X no you don't understand what it's like, it's not a fallacy. We are talking about women being raped and people saying we ask for it because we decided to wear a skirt. Men get raped too but you rarely hear "it's because he was too provocative, look at his shirt, he was begging to be raped". And no whistling is not the same but it's showing that as a girl it doesn't matter what you wear, men will still oggle you and the same goes for rape. If someone is sick, they will think like that no matter what you wear. And here you are going with the surroundings "you should've been more careful" bs. If I'm walking home at night for what ever reason, it's my fault if I get raped? Okay then, if you walk home at night and you get stabbed it's also your fault. After all, what were you thinking walking home at night, you were begging to be stabbed.

[M_A_X]

It actually is a fallacy, because even a child can see the one thing in the room that all the adults are missing. lolol What? So men can't be raped? Even though the majority of rapes in the world happen to men, in prisons? Uh, yeah, people look at other people. If you're going to say you've never looked at a sexy man you're flat out a liar. Once again, how does men whistling prove it doesn't matter what you wear? You're saying that if they whistle at you, it means they would rape you. Also, 15 year olds should be better with grammar. Your point doesn't sound convincing when you can't even use commas. ONCE AGAIN, nobody is saying it's your fault. You are just twisting words around to fit your backwards points, with no logic involved, just like most feminists. Then again, this is what I get for trying to argue with a 15 year old who knows nothing about the world. IF YOU get raped walking home at night, it's your parents fault, because you shouldn't even be allowed

[M_A_X]

You need to learn what a strawman fallacy is, and stop abusing them

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

@M_A_X victory. You started making comments about things that have nothing to do with my argument, that means you've run out of things to say. I never said men couldn't be raped by the way, but it's rarely blamed on what they wear (they instead face other issues with society). Even in my original comment I mentioned men being raped quote "A guy got raped but he had a visible erection in his pants before so he clearly asked for it right? Why else would he have an erection if he didn't want to have sex?". But since you've run out of things to say, you've decided to turn the tables and put words in my mouth, criticize my grammar (this isn't a bloody English paper, so my grammar isn't extremely significant) and of course use the old "your 15 so you don't know anything". How disappointing that it's so hard to have an actual serious conversation with "adults" on this website without them going to the the "you're a kid" argument as soon as they run out of things to say.

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

Can't wait till I turn 18 since, according to all the adults on here, a wizard will magically change me into a genius who knows everything about the universe!

[M_A_X]

So your argument then is, if a girl's pussy is wet, she wants to be raped? I'm so glad you think you won because I brought up that you're 15 years old, when I clearly had line after line of relevant and logical facts on the matter.

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

@M_A_X that was a quote out of context, read my original comment, it's called sarcasm... And I had a logical line of reasoning too but it's irrelevant because I'm a stupid kid and you disagree with me! Obviously you won, that's why all you could do is talk about my age and grammar instead of the actual subject.

[M_A_X]

No, I won because you haven't refuted a single point that I've made. I'll post again so you have no excuse to ignore it Once again, how does men whistling prove it doesn't matter what you wear? You're saying that if they whistle at you, it means they would rape you. Also, 15 year olds should be better with grammar. Your point doesn't sound convincing when you can't even use commas. ONCE AGAIN, nobody is saying it's your fault. You are just twisting words around to fit your backwards points, with no logic involved, just like most feminists. Then again, this is what I get for trying to argue with a 15 year old who knows nothing about the world. IF YOU get raped walking home at night, it's your parents fault, because you shouldn't even be allowed

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

@M_A_X "Once again, how does men whistling prove it doesn't matter what you wear? You're saying that if they whistle at you, it means they would rape you." Do I have to explain this AGAIN? I'm saying people will comment on a girl no matter what she wears, a rapist will do the same regardless of what the girl wears. Little girls who are 7 get raped, they are wearing clothes for 7 years olds, a sick bastard will rape a 7 year old just like he'll rape a girl in a mini skirt. I never said whistling equates to rape, I'm saying girls get unwanted attention no matter what they are wearing. I am a 15 year old girl, I do not need to be whistled at or called mamacita or baby or asked sexual things. I never said it equates to rape, I'm just showing from actual experience that a girl will get unwanted and inappropriate sexual attention regardless what she's wearing.

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

Me walking home was a hypothetical situation, here let me put it so you understand. An adult woman is walking home alone at night, she gets raped, is it her fault? Calling out technicalities is so pointless "it's your parents fault for letting you outside", are you happy now that it's an adult woman in our HYPOTHETICAL situation? Saying that my parents shouldn't have let me out was beyond the point, you knew what I was getting at but you didn't have anything intelligent to reply back. "Also, 15 year olds should be better with grammar. Your point doesn't sound convincing when you can't even use commas." Again, this is not a bloody English paper, I only care about grammar in my classes. You can ask my teacher about my grammar in school or you can just look at my 97% given it's a college level English class. And again, you just pointed something out that is beside the point because you had nothing intelligent to say.

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

"ONCE AGAIN, nobody is saying it's your fault" Yeah, it's not my fault but you keep saying that the woman is making it easier for the rapist which is basically saying, "well it's sort of her fault for being so inviting in that skirt, it's not her fault entirely but she's sort of asking to be raped since she's showing so much skin". You are also saying it's about paying attention to the situation which brings me back to the walking home at night alone point, her walking home does not mean she is partially to blame for her rape. "You are just twisting words around to fit your backwards points, with no logic involved, just like most feminists. " Where? Show me where, don't just make random statements and act like you don't need to back it up. Feminist reference, wow, that's such an insult, and that has everything to do with what we are talking about.

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

"Then again, this is what I get for trying to argue with a 15 year old who knows nothing about the world." Again with the age crap. Can't wait to be 18 so the wizard of wisdom can somehow magically give me a brain and opinions just like every adult. June 18, 2018 I'll just be a simple, idiotic, pneumatic little 17 year old girl and on June 19, 2000 I'll be a wise, clever, intelligent 18 year old adult who knows everything! Can't wait.

[M_A_X]

Yes, and that is a strawman fallacy. I see you still haven't looked it up. You said the same thing that I just said "if a man whistles at you, that means a rapist would rape you" I'm just going to give up on you at this point, because you think that "Not taking precautions to prevent something = it's your fault". You have no idea what logic is or how to utilize it, so I'm giving up on this conversation with you. I've told you over and over what fallacies you're committing, and you don't care. You don't care if you're thinking the proper, logical way, you're just interested in your own BS backwards, illogical thinking.

[M_A_X]

"Where, just show me where I'm twisting things around" "ONCE AGAIN, nobody is saying it's your fault" Yeah, it's not my fault but you keep saying that the woman is making it easier for the rapist which is basically saying, "well it's sort of her fault for being so inviting in that skirt, it's not her fault entirely but she's sort of asking to be raped since she's showing so much skin". You are also saying it's about paying attention to the situation which brings me back to the walking home at night alone point, her walking home does not mean she is partially to blame for her rape. Right the fuck there, and all over the rest of this conversation.

[marksmith311]

I said that as well, it is natural, we are the same as animals in many senses, besides women like to use animals to justify judging male appearances and that is even more stupid because all animals look the same so it can't form a basis to defend judging human appearances.

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

@marksmith311 I've never heard a woman use that as a reason, not once. And not liking a dude's appearance for "animal" reasons being okay =/= rape for "animal" reasons being okay. Preference and attraction and rape are two very different things.

[marksmith311]

Some silly little girl tried defend judging male appearances to by talking about peacocks by the way they show their feathers and birds singing. For a start all animals of the same breed look exactly the same whereas as humans all look different so you cannot compare. And on your point rape, attraction leads to rape, i thought that was what the discussion was about.

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

@marksmith311 well male peacocks look much different than females but I don't see how that would correlate to human attraction especially considering how we are all attracted to different things.

[Sara413]

Don't bother with these dick bags lady. You're not gonna get anywhere with them and you're just gonna give yourself a fucking anyeurism... they keep using word like "logic" and "fallacy" but they have no fucking clue what either of those things mean. Max here has contradicted himself numerous times in this and other threads. He has no logical progression of thought. He merely says whatever he can think of that could possibly justify rape as ok, shame victims as responsible or take whatever an actual reasoned, informed person says and try to turn it around by intentionally misinterpreting their words. The guy's a fuckin neck beard. He's a lost cause. Just don't waste any more of your time.

[Doofey]

@Sara413 I mean he actually correctly cited logical fallacies that were being invoked. It's pretty clear cut. If you don't know what logical fallacies are you should look them up rather than ignore them or make the claim that he doesn't understand logic. Logical fallacies are academically established arguments that employ faulty reasoning. I don't understand why you wrote "fallacies" like this is a mde up concept.

[Doofey]

@Sara413 also if you can't have a conversation with someone you disagree with without resorting to calling them a neckbeard who is justifying rape and shaming victims you should reconsider how you communicate with people. Minds won't change when you act like that. What we need is an open and calm discussion rather than blind accusations and anger.

[jacquesvol]

@MaiNameIsSunshine Indeed.

[jacquesvol]

@M_A_X that doesn't make the criminal no less criminal. Easier? So? The terror attacks in Nice, Berlin, London Copenhagen were very easy. Does that imply ANY responsiblity on behalf of the victims?

[SakuraChii]

No one deserves to be raped and it shouldn't be jusitifed. That should be the end of the discussion.

[M_A_X]

I don't think any of you know what "justified" means. Nobody says "you were dressing slutty so it's okay that you got raped". The point being made is that dressing slutty might make some rapist more likely to rape you. Again, we'll go back to the car metaphor because I have enough common sense to use it properly. If your car door is locked, you're probably less likely to get robbed, since it will be more difficult to do, and less enticing. If you leave your car door unlocked, you're more likely to get robbed because of how enticing and easy you've made it for the criminal. Maybe a guy who would have passed your car by if it had been locked, would break in if it's not. Do you understand this?

[jacquesvol]

@M_A_X Thus you say girls get raped because they look good? My mom was raped at age 70.

[M_A_X]

@jacquesvol Yeah, keep lying to yourself old man. Keep on doing that. Ignore the points I make and twist them around to meet your biased feminist propaganda philosophy. You don't know how to argue any actual facts, so just keep your bullshit up. You should honestly be ashamed at your age that you haven't learned more

[M_A_X]

@jaqcuesvol You might as well stop trying to talk to me on Lumos' post. She blocked me after making sure she gets the last word in, because she's a narcissist like I described in a previous mytake, and isn't here to discuss things, but only to push her own biased propaganda. Then again, you seem to be as well, so

[jacquesvol]

@M_A_X I agree with lumos answer. and by the way Chief16 blocked me... :)

[M_A_X]

@jacquesvol You agree with what? That asking women to take precautions is victim blaming?

[CandyStripes77]

@M_A_X well sure, it's more likely to have things happen when you don't follow the rules. But... what's the point you're making? If she dresses really slutty and makes it more possible for guys to do things... well, so?

[M_A_X]

@CandyStripes77 Well, so? What are you trying to do? Get me to say she deserves it if she doesn't take precautions? Nobody deserves it, but if you don't take precautions, you can't be that worried about it in the first place

[jacquesvol]

@M_A_X your jeans are so tight around your ass and your bulge is showing. Isn't that enticing the Gay Bros Gang to give you a good anal gangbang?

[M_A_X]

@jacquesvol That totally sounds like something a non-sexist social justice warrior would say. Bravo. You've proven you're a piece of shit, bro

[M_A_X]

@jacquesvol I like how you make jokes about gay rape. Clearly you're against rape. Best SJW ever. You've helped prove that you're a living lie. Congratulations. I only wish the whole internet could see it and take part in my joy. I've been trying to prove you're a sexist bastard for awhile now, but you done went and done it for me, bravo, sir. I applaud your rape jokes, and I hope all the misguided feminists who see your post unfollow you.

[jacquesvol]

@M_A_X WHO is the sexist bastard? Tip: use a mirror.

[jacquesvol]

@M_A_X Insults say more about the person who insults. Very interesting.

[CandyStripes77]

@M_A_X I just meant her taking precautions don't change how psychos think. And I've read most rapes are done by family and friends, so you could say there isn't a rape culture... but since most victims don't get justice, I could see why people would keep bringing it up.

[M_A_X]

@CandyStripes77 You've read incorrect statistics. Most victims of rape don't get justice for the same reasons that people who get their cars broken into don't. Shit is hard to prove, and again, the statistics of how many rapes there are, are greatly inflated

[M_A_X]

@jacquesvol Yes, keep talking. Quickly cover up the fact that you made a rape joke

[jacquesvol]

@M_A_X I don't joke.

[jacquesvol]

hazoplmeught Everyone has a different idea about how 'sluts' dress & look and Afghan women in burqa get raped too.

[jacquesvol]

@hazoplmeught

[hazoplmeught]

@jacquesvol yeah thats true and thats why (im sorry im in psychology and this reference if fresh off the brain cause i just learned it sorry for lack of ideas) people are labeled with a psychological disorder (again only reference in mind, im in psychology though) based on country. Schizophrenia in Africa and in Western countries are not diagnosed with the same traits because any label is given according to culture if u know what i mean. sorry for what happened to your mom though.

[hazoplmeught]

if she knows what she has on is regarded as dressing like a slut yshe shouldn't be suprised when someone says it

[CandyStripes77]

@M_A_X I've heard the definition of rape was expanded to include men and the lgbt, so that could explain high statistics. But that's a good thing.

[jacquesvol]

@hazoplmeught If it's insulting, that's not covered by the 1st Amendment.

[hazoplmeught]

@jacquesvol wait im lost/confused, whats if insulting?

[jacquesvol]

@hazoplmeught Slander or libel

[hazoplmeught]

@jacquesvol slander and libel are false statements, i learned that in healthcare here is a definition Under common law, to constitute defamation, a claim must generally be false and have been made to someone other than the person defamed. Some common law jurisdictions also distinguish between spoken defamation, called slander, and defamation in other media such as printed words or images, called libel. I guess you are talking about the asking questions from the other thread? i dnt think that is illegal for a police officer. On this thread i only talkled about how a woman is dressed, it might be another one u are talking about?

[jacquesvol]

@hazoplmeught Well try saying the sentence you have in mind to the next cop you meet and you'll discover the limits of the 1st Amendment when he or she throws the book at you. :D

[hazoplmeught]

@jacquesvol i would be respectful, i feel like ur responding to the wrong person cause i still can't find the part where i mentioned 1st amendment here. Can u tell me what i said

[hazoplmeught]

@jacquesvol oh calling someone a slut isn't under first because it isn't respectful. I wasn't saying one should say that to a girl, she just shouldn't be suprised

[bobbyxXxX]

There is such a thing as 'just' rape.

[KHaskins]

Acknowledging that there are things someone could have done to lessen the likelihood of being raped/robbed/whatever is not the same as victim-blaming.

Peter Kassig could have avoided being kidnapped and beheaded by ISIS simply by not going to Syria. Saying this is NOT in any way the same as saying he DESERVED what happened to him. He felt strongly enough about helping people devastated by the war there to risk his life doing it.

Going to a frat party and getting black-out drunk increases the risk of something bad happening. Going to a gang neighborhood wearing the wrong colors increases the risk of getting shot. It's ugly, it's wrong, it does nothing to absolve the perpetrators... it's cold, hard fact.

We have to live in the world that actually exists, not the world as we'd like it to be (by all means, try to change it, but don't lose sight of reality). All one can do is be self-aware, decide for themselves what level of personal risk we're comfortable with in our own lives, and make decisions accordingly.

[Mesonfielde]

Women are only blamed for putting themselves to unnecessary risk. After all, if you drink yourself to oblivion and being passed out surrounded by immoral horny twats who don't value females as human beings, what do you expect? This is why kids shouldn't waltz to the disco every weekend and yet they do it anyways.

[WalterRadio]

There is no such thing as a "rape culture".

There is plenty such thing as stupidity among women and idiots among men.

If you don't want to be raped, you can avoid 99% of the causes by:
1. Don't get drunk.
2. Don't be alone with a man you don't intend to have sex with.
3. Be aware of your surroundings.
4. Carry a gun.

Take responsibility for your own self.

[Rainie_]

Its not as simple as that. What about people who are raped by family members? Or what about if they were raped by their friend or their boyfriend/girlfriend even, people who they thought they could trust? Or what about a teacher? Or rape that happens in jail? You really CANNOT always avoid 99% of the causes. And carrying a gun is not just going to solve all problems, its illegal in most countries anyway.

[WalterRadio]

@Rainie_ You have listed 6 types. three of those are in my avoidance list. Thank the God of your choice, that I live in a country and State where I can and do carry a gun. I know a number of women in my State who carry guns too. Don't get me wrong. I think true assault rapists (those that jump out of the bushes upon a jogger, or break into a home) should be executed and those that rape young children should be castrated. I am saying that these are really quite rare in modern countries.

[ComDom]

Rape culture is delusion. None of the backing is valid. Rape is routinely punished and it is also declining. Also the stats Feminists often use are blatantly false.

Could dressing provocatively increase the likelihood of being raped? Maybe. Better to be safe than sorry especially if you're in a dangerous area. Could drinking increase the likelihood a potential rape victim not correctly remembering the situation? Yes? Could it lead them to do testing to see if they had been roofied. Yes.

Also when cops investigate a rape accusation they aren't going to assume. The purpose of an investigation is to determine the truth. So they will ask as many questions as needed to reach viable conclusions. I never hear people trying to justify rape, ever... like literally ever. Unless it's a comedian or something.

Now here's the part I don't understand. Feminist claim to want to be equal but when they are taught how to be equal and protect themselves they want nothing to do with it. They want to be protected by an external entity, i. e. the law or men. Men are taught routinely not to go to dangerous places... because it reduces the chance we'll get mugged or killed. We're also taught to lock our doors. We don't complain about that. We accept it.

New conspiracy theory... Feminists actually want a Patriarchy. Or a Matriarchy?

[damnwinter]

You're not alone in this. You and all the so-called social activists are never alone in this because your opinion is shared by a lot of showy people all around the world who impose their opinions on others and think that a woman can showe her butt in a man's face, call it seductive dancing and expect not to be touched. The very meaning of the word seductive implies an invitation, otherwise why would it be intentionally seductive if not to SEDUCE someone?
That being said I am not saying that there is sth wrong with you, but if you think again carefully, you'll see that the world won't come to an end if some women try behaving decently for a change. :)

[Pampered]

Smh there is no rape culture. Feminists and their fabrications... always wanting to be a victim at all times. Men get raped WAY more than women do in the US. Rather than focusing on petty male comments expressing their innocent sexual expression towards women, why don't we focus on what can actually be helped.. the poor male victims in prison being offered limited help from male predators. If they ask for help and are put in PC (with child molesters/killers and rapists), they're automatically put on a hit list and are killed without hesitation when the opportunity arises. Prison is a very scary, very real place for a lot of men who are in prison in the first place for PETTY crimes like marijuana possession. Feel bad for them, not for women who get their tit grabbed for whipping it out in public. Not saying it's justified but it's really not a big deal compared to all the men suffering in prison..

[CandyStripes77]

I agree prison hurts a lot of innocent people, but how could you help a prisoner? I didn't know prison rape was so high. Men get raped more?

[Jms9000]

This is a very simple thing. As long as men believe, in their souls, that they are inherently "superior" to women, that women are "tings" that can be possessed (or claimed; as in "stand aside fellas, that one's MINE") and are assumed to be subservient, weak and in need of "protection" rape will always be a supported position on a large side of the curve.

Our world has to stop telling boys and girls that women are naturally made by God as weak, incapable of independence, and constantly vulnerable to every form of violence - hero-worship is one of the greatest fallacies in our culture. If women are weak and in need of protection, then any man who does anything "protective" for a woman deserves sex in return, right? NO.

Rape is an active choice made by a morally corrupt person to take the ability of another person to decide their own fate away from them.

Any argument that anyone can "ask to be raped" is morally bankrupt. There is NEVER a time or place or situation in which a desire to dominate anyone is an excuse or justification for rape. What kind of bottom feeding limbic-brain scum actually says " my biology makes me want sex and if I can't have a consensual relationship I'll just take sex in any form that appears before me,"?

Rape is a choice no one HAS to make.

[dwright9224]

I agree.

[Hellboy71]

There is not justification for rape, and I wish this movement to legalize rape would go away. It's absolute idiocy. Women deserve to be treated the same as any man does. You don't really hear about men being raped, except maybe in prison. And there is a lot of BS going on with everything related to sexual assault, just a look, does not make sexual assault, and there are even cases, where a man accidentally bumps into a woman on a moving bus, or subway train, and he gets charged with sexual assault. Everything is out of control right now, things need to be changed for the better. Just like frivolous lawsuits, if you spill coffee on yourself and you get burnt it's your fault not the restaurants. So, if you are on a bus or subway train, you should expect people to accidentally bump into you, or if you are breastfeeding in public, people are going to look. Hell there was a woman, at a zoo, who went into a corner and had an orangutan watching her, I'm sure some would have tried pressing charges against the orangutan, or the zoo.

[abundantlyrich]

I do agree with rape culture existing 👌🏼