Men Past 25 Who Never Got Love From Women Should Be Looking For Sex Not A Girlfriend

[Jose_R]

Past a certain age (25+ is a good one), a FA (forever alone) should be looking to get SEX with girls, not to find a girlfriend they can start, and maintain a relationship with.

And the reason for this is, most relationships always lead to a point where both parties fall "in love". The problem is that most women have been here many times. More or less all of them, when they were much younger - teens, into their 20s. By this point, detaching is relatively easy for them. They've been hurt, they know how to hurt (in all cases), and are pretty adept at monkey branching by now.

A FA who never touched pussy is going to be far more emotionally invested in a relationship than what is healthy. And when that girls cheats on him, or dumps him he is going to struggle, since he never got his training wheels off and learned to bang a woman without being dependent on establishing a relationship that demands his emotional investment.

So if you are a FA - do NOT get into any sort of loving relationship as your 1st crack at the pussy. Instead get in shape, increase your sexual value LEGITIMATELY (instead of relying on luck of finding that one girl who wants to be with you right off the bat) and THEN once you've raked up some experience, start thinking about a girlfriend.

[Bandit74]

I mostly agree.

Past 25 most girls have sent nudes, madeout with a few douzen guys , given random blow jobs, had maybe 2 -5 flings/one night stands and experimented all of her fantasies with their previous partners. At that point the fun exciting times are over and she is often looking for a guy to be serious and share responsibilities with (buying a house and raising kids).

As you said a guy who has never had sex before will probably be more emotionally invested in her and form more of an attachment than she will to him. At the point where the girls are FINISHED with their wild/fun phase and looking for responsibilities, he is at the point where is just now ready to START having fun. He will be one of around 6-12 guys she's done various things with, perhaps even things she will never want to do with him, meanwhile she will be his first and only for everything.

Its just a shit deal all around. The only way its worthwhile for an inexperienced 25 year old guy to look for a long-term relationship as his first try is if she's equally inexperienced and at the same stage that he is. Then its potentially a good deal. Otherwise I agree that he's better off having some casual flings to gain the life experiences most other girls his age has had, BEFORE settling down.

Only problem is its easier said than done since its more dificult for guys to get girls to desire sex outside of a relationship than it is to get them to desire sex inside of a relationship. The bar on sexual attraction is set higher for hookups/flings, plus the fact that most 25 year old girls are out of that hookup phase and most likely want guys to settle down with also adds to the degree of dificulty. Maybe aiming for girls in their early 20s is better.

However if you can manage to generate sexual desire outside of a relationship then its becomes easier to generate it inside of a relationship. Like if you can jump over a 4 foot hurdle, then obviously you can jump over the 3 foot hurdle since its lower. Plus you KNOW she's into you if she's agreeing to hookup with you. For longterm relationships girls are more likely to lower their standards on sexual attraction so if she only wanted you for a relationship you dont know if she truly lusts after you vs just seeing you as a stable reliable guy to settle down with. Often times girls have more sexual desire/attraction for their flings than they do for the guys they end up marrying.

[dipta]

I really disagree with you.
Nowadays, if a person reaches 25 yo (which is not even that old) and hasn't had a sexual relationship yet, it's probably because they have made a conscious decision of waiting for someone special or don't care to share their body with just anyone.
At this point, engaging in casual sex just because they're too old (according to your standards) it's the same thing as admitting defeat and giving up their principles and values, not to mention exposing themselves to STD and others.

Personally, that's not the kind of person I'm looking for. Guess I don't like sharing much.

[Transigence]

I guess you wouldn't understand because of how easily a sexual relationship comes to you. There are LOADS of guys 25+ who are virgins and not for lack of trying. Women are highly selective, and are only interested in about the top 20% of men, and their criteria are all pretty much the same (meaning the same 20%). This, in a "sexually liberated" society pretty much means that most men are going to be the last in their line.

[mikemx55]

"because they have made a conscious decision of waiting for someone special" I think most of the times (make it 99.999%) it's not really about their decision at all

[dipta]

@Transigence I don't think you can judge how easily a sexual relationship comes to me. Then again, if it's that easy and I still chose to wait, it must mean something. On another note, if those loads of guys are already actively trying to have sex by all means (read, casual sex), then this thread probably doesn't apply to them.

[dipta]

@mikemx55 I know many men who don't put sex on the top of their list. Some of them are inclusive very popular, but have high standards. I think it's more of a personality thing and the way you were brought up than anything else.

[Transigence]

You're right. I can't judge how easily a sexual relationship comes to you, but I can make broad sweeping generalizations about how easily they come to women as opposed to coming to men. It's pretty well understood that women are sexual selectors and men compete for women's attention. There's a HUGE disparity between the sex drives of men and women and this puts pretty much all sexual power in women's hands. There's really nothing a guy can do to both stay true to himself AND get into a sexual relationship most of the time. For men, you either sell out, play the fucking game, step on some heads, hurt some other people, or you just don't get to win. Women set the terms in the sex scene. Women completely control the dating scene and this shit show is EXACTLY what you all want.

[Wisenguber]

Crack at the pussy? LOL

[SunsetStar]

The big problem here is a lot of girls don't really value an "experienced" guy. It's mostly other guys who care that a guy has a bigger number. The kind of nice girl that you might want to build a serious relationship with is going to be really turned off if a guy has slept with a lot of girls before - she's going to see him as a player and not want to be with him. So the only girls he's going to get that way are girls who are just looking for casual sex and aren't invested in him at all.

[Scrambledagain]

Lol... that's the type of girls we need;) also this isn't about "I have more numbers than you so I'm better than you" it's about life experiences. A late bloomer misses out and needs to catch up. So if some guy for example has slept with 10 by the time he is 25 (which isn't much... it's just over 1 a year) then the 25 yr old who hasn't would need to bang 10 asap to match the former dude life experience.

[dudeman]

they can just date as young as possible. no guy should accept a used women for a wife.

[Spiorad_Aisce]

There is some logic in your argument but it is based on the guy falling for a certain type of girl or he is capable of enjoying the casual sex scene, some guys just aren't build that way. As I said sound advice for some guys but I believe there is also a group of guys who are better left to their own devices whether it is more right or wrong I am not too sure. I think you should go for what feels right to you, to go against your nature might not feel right.
I for one don't think I could handle or adapt to the whole casual sex scene but as I say that is just me and not everyone is like me.

[abundantlyrich]

Yes I reckon they should. Get loads of STDS and mouth herpes eventually or marry a fleshlight. Happy fleshlight playing.

[the_rake]

realistically though, girls are not going to casually bang the nice guy. it's just not in their DNA. if the nice guy wants a 'crack at the pussy' as you put it, a relationship is his only route. yes, I get that being nice means you treat women with respect and are going to want commitment at some point in your life but 'nice guys' are human just like you and me. nice guys are going to have sexual desires too, and yes there are going to be plenty of nice guys that don't mind giving the one night stand a try out.

[dudeman]

i agree.

[ChromAzonyx108]

Are you saying that's it's okay to use women as practice until you decide to get into a real relationship?

[Jose_R]

Yes. I'm saying that with both parties being aware it's a fling that a man should have consensual sex with a woman not looking for a relationship with him several times before they decide to jump head first into a relationship.

[ChromAzonyx108]

You make a good argument but I find it difficult to get past the idea of using a woman.

[0112358]

Define 'using women as practice'? If you're being very open about only being interested in casual fun, how is that inappropriate?

[ChromAzonyx108]

@0112358 If both people define from the beginning that it will only be casual then I suppose that would be appropriate. My concern was of sociopathically manipulating someone to get what you want (i. e. sex) but if both people benefit then that's okay. I'm just not a ONS kind of guy.

[0112358]

I would agree with your assessment, and I don't think I'm a ONS sort of guy either (married now but even if single). I might be a 'fwb and see if it goes anywhere' type of guy. Point is, i was sort of brainwashed growing up that basically manipulating women into sex was wrong (agreed), that 'no nice girl wanted casual sex (not true)' and that basically, any girl willing to have casual sex was clearly damaged and to have casual sex was exploitative. i realize now that was just propaganda to discourage premarital sex. Some guys are dirtbags. Don't be one. But beyond that, you need to figure it out for yourself what's right and wrong.

[Scrambledagain]

I agree in one way. It's just a really bad idea for a man to settle for the first girl he is successful with at that age you mention. Women should be practice going forward, not a goal.

[John_Doesnt]

This is probably true. I should learn about just screwing around first before attempting a relationship. Anything that can go wrong will go wrong and the first few relationships are going to fail no matter what.

[2tall2handle]

Ok, so what does it say for someone like me at 43 who was cheated on just before I got married? I am doomed to live the rest of my life alone? Whoever wrote this would seem to think so. I would hate to disagree with him, however yes I am still alone not for lack of trying to find a woman. However I have found many women to be superficial (only wanting nice cars, big houses), and not wanted a meaningful relationship.

[DaddyRollingStone]

Good advice for people who want to stay sad and lonely.

[TheAngryBanana]

meh fair enough i dont try to hard to attact women weither way I am too busy to even invest some time hahah :P

[Marinepilot]

That's completely wrong.

[skeptic007]

I agree with some of what you said but not in all things

[Noxifer626]

Don't tell people what to do. I hate those kinds of articles which act like they know everything.

[Benk111]

Almost nobody ends marries their first girlfriend, there for any first girlfriend or first girlfriend you had sex with is practice. Also if someone was good at getting casual sex they wouldn't be a vergin at 25 unless by choice and sex isn't everything.

[Jose_R]

I never mentioned marriage in this. When guys phuck their first girl they become attached and have a harder time letting go when the break up eventually comes with the 1st girlfriend. This wouldn't be the case if he has ONS, and some casual sex in order to not become as emotionally clingy/invested in a woman that he eventually wants a relationship with.

[Benk111]

even if it was casual sex since it's their first time it would still mean something.

[Jose_R]

It will but the basic understand of it's casual and not something serious is there. This is a lot different than spending months with a girl only for you to breakup

[Benk111]

yeah but with a girlfriend you get to have sex again if it takes you 25 years to have sex than casual sex isn't something you can just go out and get. just like @SunsetStar "The big problem here is a lot of girls don't really value an "experienced" guy. It's mostly other guys who care that a guy has a bigger number. The kind of nice girl that you might want to build a serious relationship with is going to be really turned off if a guy has slept with a lot of girls before - she's going to see him as a player and not want to be with him. So the only girls he's going to get that way are girls who are just looking for casual sex and aren't invested in him at all.". in the long run whether its casual sex or not it won't end up making a huge difference. also i've spoken to a few people who slept with people having one night stands as their first time and largely regretted it. so what your saying is unrealistic if guys could just go out and get casual sex than they would have had sex by 25.

[Jose_R]

"The big problem here is a lot of girls don't really value an "experienced" guy. It's mostly other guys who care that a guy has a bigger number. " Actual this isn't true when it comes to ONS. If a girl finds out your virgin before she gets to know you in a bar setting or casual place and she justs wants a hookup chances are she will not go for you. This isn't the case if she falls for you though. But just random hookups no girl is going to be thrill having to instruct a virgin on how to get her off. "The kind of nice girl that you might want to build a serious relationship with is going to be really turned off if a guy has slept with a lot of girls before - she's going to see him as a player and not want to be with him. " You don't have to sleep with a lots of girls. In fact women aren't turned off by guys who sleep around nearly as much as men are. It can actual work in your favor.

[Jose_R]

In short. Despite what women say and their protest against players who sleep around with this whole fuckboy stupidity most girls are actual more likely to go for you ifs he knows you have lots of women chasing you. It's a fact and one indicator of this is having a high kill count. Let's look at Brady Jenner. He's slept with over 100+ girls and yet is able to get a girl with a low kill count to be his girlfriend and she doesn't care. To address your issue on sleeping around. I'm not saying you need to become a man whore for women but get your dick wet at least a couple times. Maybe like 5-6 before you seriously start considering going into a relationship.

[Benk111]

my point is that virgin guys aren't usually able to have casual sex not that it is a waisted first time. everybody has difrent expectations and wants for their first time.

[Anonymous]

Looking for a relationship on your primes is one of the lamest thing you could do. You won't become any healthier attractive than you are now, why waste this chasing after onegina when you can get many vaginas.

[Anonymous]

I agree. Guys should stop focusing on trying to find Mrs. Right, and instead start looking for Mrs. Right Now. Otherwise they end up becoming really desperate, which only adds to their problem as women are either turned off by his desperation, or use the fact that he is desperate to take advantage of him.

[Anonymous]

I actually strongly agree.

I would say in general that guys should not get into serious relationships till they are confident in ability to generate attraction.

[Anonymous]

Any guy whos a virgin at 25 isn't going to be good at getting casual sex now are they?

[0112358]

Of course not. But they should fix that before they cling to the first relationship they get as they hit their late 20s and become more desireable as a 'settle down' target, or they will spend decades being exploited and unhappy