Gender Roles Are Natural...

What If I Told You Gender Roles Are Natural?

Let me explain...

**Here is a very triggering meme below just to get you rustled up and excited**

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Introduction...

I'm going to start out this take by giving you an example to consider instead of a formal introduction. The title of this take is self explanatory, so let's dive right into it. Let's consider the debate with women getting tattoos.

My Stance...

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Women have to have a certain body type and swagger to pull off tattoos. There is a difference in dynamic here and I'm not just going to negate that to sound politically correct. I have 3 tattoos, all of which I can hide with a shirt. (Well my shoulder one sort of sneaks out of my sleeve but not too much).


For men, tattoos are masculine and they almost always symbolize a story. That projects rugged wisdom and experience, which is masculine. My tattoos are military and they have stories. Chicks have always been down to hear them when my shirt comes off. It's not that feminine for a woman to have a bunch of rugged ass stories permanently written on their body.

Consider that women are very emotional beings and are turned on by much more so than solely the physical perspective. Men are in polar opposition of this. Men are much more simple than that in regards to attraction.


I realize as I get older, these tattoos will start to fade. Even with faded tattoos, I'll still be able to pull it off as sexy to a lot of women. That's due to the fact that it's emotionally stimulating to them. It projects and image of a man with wisdom and rugged stories just as I stated before. Men can pull off rugged... Women? Not so much.


A woman's physical attractiveness is based on purity. No, not in the sense of virginity or innocence. I'm talking about that soft and radiant skin, feminine facial features, and a body that screams fertility. I'm talking about that certain glow that attractive women have. You know what I'm talking about...

I can't say that I'd enjoy a spontaneous hand job in the car as much from my girlfriend if she had bigger callouses than me. I can't say that I'd be as sexually attracted to my girlfriend if she sounded like Hulk Hogan in the sac. "ALRIGHT BROTHER.. I'M READY.. LET'S DO THIS."

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This same concept goes with a bunch of tattoos on her skin. I'm attracted to my girlfriends femininity. By default, tattoos are not that feminine.


Having said all that, my chick loves my scars, loves my callouses, and loves my tattoos. She actually loves my bent ass nose from wrestling/fights in the past (Can't really see in my pic). She has heard all of my fight stories and she loves them. She absolutely despises "pretty boys". Not because she couldn't get them before. She is a fucking knockout, much prettier than me forsure. She just likes masculine men.


I digress. I guess what I'm getting at is that women appreciate masculinity in a man and men appreciate femininity in a woman. Tattoos by default are not very feminine for the reasons I've stated.


Concluding on this example, I'm a man and I'm fucking happy to be a man. I have tattoos, I cuss, I have scars, I've gotten in fights, I'm rough, and I'm loud. That's me and if you don't approve then I don't really care.

Let's Talk Logic...

I don't hate men who are feminine by nature, but I do see them as weak. Now femininity is very vague in the basic sense of the word. It's very fluid and it's interpretation is almost always dependent upon personal discretion. I'm using this word in the basic sense of it's definition.

I think being submissive and passive as a man is personally pathetic. It sort of goes hand in hand with this counter-argument in which gender roles are to be considered a social construct. Let's logically break down why this is not applicable in even the slightest sense.

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KEY WORDS: Constructed through cultural or social practice

When you try and correlate this into gender roles, it's flawed logic. It's flawed logic for the sole fact that masculinity for the most part is the result of biological science. Let's look at the two major ones here.

1) Men have a very different hormonal structure in comparison to women.

(source: https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2012/02/11440/male-and-female-behavior-deconstructed )

2) Men have have a different neurological layout than women.

(source: https://www.columbia.edu/itc/anthropology/v1007/jakabovics/mf2.html )

Men are significantly different than women in a lot of different ways and this isn't my opinion. This is based on factual information. Here is a video of more random facts about our differences, that might not be directly applicable to gender roles, but still carry a point.

Let's Digest This Logic...

1) Why Third-Wave Feminism Is Bullshit...

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This is the whole issue with modern day feminism. The logic of modern day feminism is that it completely deviates from what would be considered rational logic. Modern day feminist want to believe that they are completely the same as men. Feminist might not believe this at surface level, but if you actually look at the feminist agenda, it's literal embodiment is based on that very idea.

This is just false on so many levels. We will never be the same because biology won't allow us to be the same. That's not to say that one gender is superior or inferior, but rather to say that we are different. That's not sexism. That's just logic.

There are men that certainly differentiate from what I just told you. There is no generic man, or generic woman. I realize this but I also realize that there are still significant differences between men and women. A feminine man is still going to be significantly different than your average woman, just as a masculine woman is still going to be significantly different than an average man. I'm referencing this statement in regards to biological facts.

2) Why are we attempting to favor femininity in men?

Consider this... If a man deviates on a biological level from what is considered masculine, then by logic, he would be considered genetically inferior.


According to the National Institutes of Health, the normal range of testosterone for a man is 300ng/dl to 1,200 ng/dL (nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL). If a man has a testosterone count of 115ng/dl, then he would be considered significantly below average in comparison the the your every day man, thus making him genetically inferior. He would be genetically inferior for the sole fact that he has a severe disadvantage in life. That's not an opinion of mine either. That's factual information that actually go hand in hand with almost every theory in the real of sociology itself. That's why these people are sort of out-casted. That's why some people are naturally intolerant to these sort of things.

3) Women, stop shaming traditional masculinity...

There is absolutely no benefit in rewarding these types of people in society by delusional favoring. Stop shaming the traditional masculine man! Acceptance is absolutely necessary for people who differentiate, and if you have any sort of empathy, then you would agree. Having said that, the issue arises when society attempts to shame those who are not of inferiority status.

I see this all time. A great example of this is when girls attempts to bring down masculine men by saying that what they are doing is a result of overcompensation, and/or a small penis. If you drive a truck, you have a small penis. If you workout, then you have a small penis. If you have shoot guns, you have small penis. If you do anything remotely masculine, then by misguided influential default, you have a small penis. That's absolutely ridiculous.

4) Men, stop shaming traditional masculinity...

Another example of this would be in regards to men shaming other men for acting in any which way that would be considered masculine. To the insecure feminine man, masculinity is intimidating.

Let's talk about the overused term 'developed'. Yes... "developed". A lot of men who are feminine by nature like to shame other men who are not by derogatory means. They do this by claiming that masculine men are of neanderthal status, and they themselves, are developed and educated. They synonymously correlate "developed" with sitting in an air conditioned room at university all day utilizing their brain. If you don't abide by that definition of development, then you are considered of neanderthal status and/or a 'meathead'.

Let's talk about reality here for a second. The key to the pursuit of happiness is a well rounded life. I'm 23 years old and at first glance, you would probably make your assumption that I match the criteria of a meathead. I'm also in engineering, and I do study for hours on end in a air conditioned lab. That being said, I like to do other things as well. Mind blowing shit right?

The reason why the feminine man does this, is because the masculine man is a direct reflection of what they strive be, but cannot for whatever reason. The issue arises when they intentionally attempt to bring you down by using these negative stereotypes in a derogatory manner. That within itself fits the criteria of what we call insecurity. That's when I have an issue. That's when I realize that this feminization of men propaganda is pushed too far. I see this all too often.

5) Concluding as to why gender roles are not a "social construct"...

By this logic, what I just mentioned would actual be intertwined with a social construct. That being said, the social construct part is set on the foundation of cold hard facts. That's why masculinity and femininity is not a social construct. Some of it's variables are applicable to the definition, but nothing more than that.

If you look at history, it evidently proves this to be true. Yes we are much more developed and that's a common response to this whole argument. It doesn't matter though, history is history, and we are still human beings. No amount of social awareness will change out the foundation of our biological wiring.

The social construct variable to this argument is simply responsive. Society is responsive to our biological wiring. Again, this is why masculinity and femininity by itself is not a social construct and never will be.

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We're Getting Too Soft. Stop Adhering!

I grew up in an environment where being overly emotional was shamed. My dad spanked me and pulled the belt when I talked back or did something stupid. When I broke up with my girlfriend at the time for cheating on me when I was younger, I told my dad. He saw me depressed and called me one day and told me grab my fucking balls and move on. I did. It snapped me back into reality. I sincerely thank my dad for all that tough love today because it molded me into the man I am. It made me into a stronger version of myself. I personally think that a lot of men these days are too emotional, and too soft. I think it's a mistake to reward that kind of behavior and shame in opposition.

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1) It's Called Banter... Calm Down Becky...

My senior year of high school, I enlisted in the Marine Corps. I left right after graduation. You can probably assume that I've been surrounded by hyper masculinity to the extreme just from knowing that about me.

If you were skinny, then they made fun of you. If you talked like a nerdy bitch, then they made fun of you. If you didn't get pussy, then they would make fun of you. If you fucked up doing simple things, then they would make fun of you. The list goes on...

You see, this was all in good humor though. If someone was personally making fun of you then that meant they liked you. My roommate here at university is a virgin and I call him a pussy all the time for it. He in return makes fun of me for a lot of other things. We laugh about it. It's called banter. It's called men being men. A lot of men don't have thick enough skin to even joke around like that anymore. I personally think that is pathetic that we can't even joke around like that without someone getting all butthurt and beat up about it.

2) Story Time...

I remember the first account I had on here. I answered this guys question. I sort of made a joke at this guy in reference to my answer. He was twenty-four years old and wearing a Pokemon T-Shirt in his profile pic. I was expecting this guy to make fun of my nose or some shit in which I would of laughed. No. This grown ass man wrote me a goddamn novel as to how he has the right to express his individuality in any way that he see's fit. He said my comment was offensive and went onto tell me about his broken childhood and how Pokemon was apparently his only escape. I was staring at my computer like this...

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It was a strong "what the.. fuck?" I actually ran into a similar scenario on here just a couple days ago. Cringed so hard that I turned into a fucking raisin.

3) Stop taking yourself so seriously everyone... Stop this politically correct bullshit!

Here is an example from what I see on gag in which you can all relate to.

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It's entirely up to your judgement as to whether or not you deem my humor funny. In my opinion, people should be able to laugh at themselves a little more instead of taking themselves so seriously all the time.

I'm vulgar. I'm loud. I joke around. That's me. I'm not going to filter everything I say in attempt to satisfy everyone else. I'm going to be myself. Life is too short for that. Enjoy life. Learn to relax and laugh at yourself once in a while.

Here is an example of how it should be in my opinion. Here is an example of someone rational.

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Concluding...

Men...

This might be hard to realize, but women actually like feeling feminine. They actually like you slapping their ass unexpectedly. They like it when you have the ability to take control of a situation with ease. Embrace your manly ways, don't hold them back. Women love that shit.

Am I implying that you adhere to anything other than what is natural? Nope!

Trying to act and adhere to any type of masculinity with effort? That's all false dominance boyos, the girl needs to actually trust you to submit to you. Fabrication will turn a woman away from you very quickly. If she likes you, and is truly submissive towards you, then she will trust and respect you and your judgement. That doesn't come instantly, but rather through time.

Seriously, just act like a mensch. It's really not that hard. Act like a man, put all the bullshit aside, stand your ground while acting within the best interest of the two of you. Do this and your girl will respect you as a man. You need to be the leader. What kind of leader lets trivial guidelines get in the way of his better judgment? Be you... Be a fucking man...

Women...

This might be hard to realize, but men actually like feeling masculine. They actually like it when you give them a massage and home cooked meal when they get home from a long day. Not because you feel obligated to, but for the fact that you like to make your man feel like a king. By nature, you're much more nurturing than a man. Accept that. Embrace it. Men love that shit.

Am I implying that you adhere to anything other than what is natural? Nope!

Be genuine within yourself and with your intentions towards him. Be unapologetic in your feelings for the fact that you're entitled to them. Be genuinely interested in your man's life and his success. Compliment him when you feel it's compliment worthy. Be a badass bitch who isn't afraid to stick up for yourself. Make your man feel good about himself in every way. You're a team ready to dominate the fucking world together. No times to be playing games of trying to prove a point of where you stand as a woman. Games are for children.

Lettuce be real...

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Who do you want by your side when shit goes down? What kind of man will you be looking at?

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BOOM.

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You know what I like?

I like how my girlfriend and I have a dynamic in which we both know our place as me the man, and as her the woman. I lead and she trusts my judgement and ability to lead.

...Triggered?

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  • The problem with your arguments is that you're committing a logical fallacy called "passing the buck". When you say "tattoos are manly because they tell stories of rugged wisdom and experience", that's essentially the same as saying "my proof for god's existence is that the bible says so". The follow-up question would obviously be: why are experience and "rugged wisdom" (whatever that means) manly? Are you saying women can't be experienced or it's inappropriate for women to be experienced/wise? You believe you're solving a problem - but in fact you're just creating a new one.
    Personally, I think tattoos are neither feminine nor masculine. They're just ugly as fuck and a shame for the natural purity of every human body.
    If gender roles are natural, please explain to me what is so inherently feminine about high heels. And when you're done doing that, please also explain to me what's so inherently masculine about high heels because you will be surprised to hear that high heels were originally worn exclusively by men and considered very masculine.

    Also, the belief that feminists want the sexes to be "the same" is completely wrong. Feminists want the sexes to be equal, not "the same". There's a difference. When you have three children, you treat them all equally but you don't treat them the same.

    Finally: "I lead and she trusts my judgement and ability to lead." You sound exactly like a dictator trying desperately to justify his totalitarian regime. "Come on guys, I'll lead you and protect you and you can follow me, kiss my ass and be thankful for my merciful protection." Yeah uh... how about fuck that. I prefer democracy.

    • Apologize for the late response. I got so many notifications that I couldn't reply to them all. I usually get to all the opposing ones with the most upvotes first. Okay, here is where you're wrong. Fallacies are to be categorized as illegitimate arguments or irrelevant points. Every single one of my points has fits the criteria in direct opposition of what would be considered illegitimate or irrelevant. Now when we break this down, it generally falls into two categories... formal, and informal.

    • Formal is to be described in a scenario like "Women have a different hormonal structure/endocrine system than men, and hormones play a vital role in personality" That is a fact and there absolutely no denying that. It's what we call a formal fact. Informal on the other hand is to be synomously recognized as inductive reasoning. What I presented in this take is formal in a persuasive twist to challenge your thinking. So by definition that would make it inductive correct? Now on what grounds are you to render all of which I said invalid? You can't really claim confirmation bias because I've added a personal insight on it. I'm not just throwing facts that fit my narrative at everyone. I'm throwing facts and explaining the reasoning with personal insight.

    • I've explained the logic as to tattoos are masculine. By no means could my logic be compared to "my proof for god's existence is that the bible says so". You took one part of my logic as to why, and attempted to apply it in this false pretense narrative that makes me sound if speaking on the foundation of inflatable confirmation bias. I mean you completley negated my whole reasoning as to how this is intertwined with the reasoning as to why women are attracted certain things and why men are attracted to certain things.. biologically.

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  • "I personally think that is pathetic that we can't even joke around like that without someone getting all butthurt"

    ^^ Totally agreed.

    I mean, SRSLY

    Some boys just totes overreact to banter, nawmean? Like that dude on here who wrote this:
    ""If you drive a truck, you have a small penis. If you workout, then you have a small penis. If you have shoot guns, you have small penis. If you do anything remotely masculine, then by misguided influential default, you have a small penis. That's absolutely ridiculous."

    Hmmmm
    3.bp.blogspot.com/.../cheryl-hmmm-gif1oje1.gif

    ... I mean, you know those kinds of comments aren't *serious*, right?
    (Unless they're coming from the "usual suspects", aka hardcore SJW types, who politicize literally everything anyone ever says... but, reacting to those types is a mistake anyway, since you're just giving them yr attention which is exactly what they're after.)

    From the rest of us, those kinds of comments are just typical girlfriend humor. Sardonic, bitchy, ironic, more than a little bit self-effacing (most of the time we roast boys because WE fell for them!)... and funny as hell.

    It's called banter. Calm down, Becky.
    <3

    • The difference between banter and genuinely insulting is the intent behind it. While that varies within someones discretion, I view it as this... If the intent is driven by insecurity and hatred, then it would be an insult. If the intent is a joke in which you can both laugh, then it's banter. Nerdy women trying to insult you from any angle possible in attempt to prove a point is not to be considered banter in my opinion. I tell women I have a 2.3 inch penis. If anyone understands banter, then it's me. However it's easy to determine whether they are joking with you or are actually trying to take shots at you with the intent to actually inflict harm with ulterior motives based on insecurity. I can tell by the way they respond to me saying I have a 2.3 inch cock. If they respond with another insult by jerk reaction saying something like you're insecure because you use steroids.. then they are insecure and trying to bring you down.

    • There is a difference. You blindly looking at something of what I wrote at surface level doesn't change that. Calm Down Becky <3

    • "However it's easy to determine whether they are joking with you or are actually trying to take shots at you with the intent to actually inflict harm with ulterior motives based on insecurity" ^^ But *is* it, tho? I think this is a pretty accurate summary when the quips are being delivered BY BOYS. Boys are usually pretty black-and-white about whether they're joking -- for the same reason why male animals, too, are pretty fucking clear on what's an aggressive gesture vs. what's a "play signal". When it comes to WOMEN'S humor, tho, this is... not accurate. You're framing this as "joking with you" VERSUS "taking shots at you" (because **between boys** those are pretty much mutually exclusive) -- but, women's verbal jabs are VERY rarely just one or the other of those. When a woman throws shade at a boy, it's almost always ambiguous, because that's THE WHOLE POINT is to see how YOU are going to react to it. Is she joking? Or is she emasculating you? The point is that

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  • ooh, someone has a different opinion from mine! totes triggered.

    my only issue with gender roles is if someone's being forced into them. if you and your girlfriend are happy with your current arrangement, that's great; if she has hobbies or goals that she's suppressing just to squeeze herself into your narrow-minded view of what a woman should be, that's where i see a problem.

    i do think it's sad that everyone's triggered by everything these days. third-wave 'feminism' is cancer and needs to die.

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  • Good job amigo 😄 love it

  • Interesting mytake

  • Great take... could've been shorter though. can't believe i read the whole thing...
    When you said Gender roles, i was thinking you meant in relationships because thats usually where its at mostly...
    but this was just Gender definitions/actions...
    Not to be nitpicky or "butthurt"... i dont really care about the title or the messenger... thing is, did i get the message? Fuckin yea I did.
    And i preach it everyday to these little boys crying over girls and acting like they are from another fuckin planet, and these girls trying so hard to make their men more "feminine"...
    I LOVED this line "who do you want on your side when shit goes down?"
    thats the thing these moron girls these days dont seem to understand, we aren't robots or slaves or transformers willing to know what to do, when to do, how to do it and all that shit... Hell, feminism was stemmed from this very same stupid logic... women want it all.. and not just all... just all the GOOD shit. Thats why im an avid supporter.. they should get equality. I'd love to be able to slap the fuck out of some loud mouth bitch and know im not going to the clink. You dont see one guy mouthing off to another claiming he can't be hit, he will be instantly KTFO.
    Women claim to want effeminate guys, but when shit goes down, thats when they start knocking on the VERY SAME DOOR of manhood that They closed.
    Thats why i preach to these little boys and inexperienced men... keep your fucking masculinity.. because all women know how to do is destroy shit. They only want what is good FOR NOW, then later, try to change it.
    Be a man, Be unwavering, and like you said... Unapologetic.
    As for the women, smh, sometimes i just feel sorry for them. It must be horrible knowing that your gender as a whole is just classified as a certain word. Sad part, not many of them even try to change it. I've always said, If you want a man, be a woman, if you want a woman, be a man.
    I've never seen a bitch get a Man before, its always a pimp lol.. or a dungeon master... and I've never seen some wussy guy get a woman, its usually a Domina.
    Those sides eventually cancel themselves out.

    Difference between Men and Women?
    Women try the same shit over and over again expecting different results, while blaming the object...(hmm.. where have i heard that before?)
    Men, for every failure, change something in Order to gain better results from the Next object.

  • I didn't think I'd read about tattoos in this take, but I disagree that most men can pull tattoos off. I don't think they look good in general and men look much better "pure" and exactly like you said about women you have to be a very specific type to not look completely stupid

    "I think being submissive and passive as a man is personally pathetic" -- that's not logic, that's your opinion without explanation
    And yes some things are biological but A LOT of them are also not. For example having long hair or wearing dresses is generally seen as feminine. And it's founded on no biology whatsoever. It's just social construct. And you gave the example of driving a big truck later in your take. That is not biological, that's an entirely social construct.

    Masculinity is generally seen as a set of qualities that are valuable in men in society. And those qualities have changed. For a long time having a strong, healthy body was basically a guarantee for a good income. That's not longer true. In todays world men need to be more cooperative, more compassionate and empathetic in order to succeed, than they might have needed to be 100 years ago. So it makes sense that we encourage those qualities

    I agree with your conclusion tho.

    • ""I think being submissive and passive as a man is personally pathetic" I explained in detail as to why I think it's pathetic actually. Re-read the whole part about men being genitally inferior. I never claimed that most men can pull off tattoos. I simply made a statement as to why tattoos are masculine. This whole thing of comparing us to Neanderthal status is never a good argument. I realize that we are developed but that development is still intrinsic within our biological wiring. Times change, but our biological wiring will not. Men will always be men and women will always be women.

    • Woman, historically, have prioritized beauty above all else. Through most of human history, in most cultures, a young woman's only asset was herself. Her entire future, her station, her children, everything; all depend on who she married. And short of coming from money already, her best asset was her beauty. Woman also didn't fight. They didn't hunt. They had fewer reasons not to have long hair, as well as more reasons to have it.. Men didn't. Long hair on a man can be attractive too, but beauty was fundamentally less important to a man. His status was determined by other factors. Work, largely. So physical beauty was less important. And in fact, obviously displays the prioritizing of beautify could make a man appear decadent and soft. Good for princes and the gentry, bad for the working man

    • So in no short amount of time long hair became inextricably bound up with femininity. It's not inherently feminine either.. But it shares enough borders with enough things that are feminine (youth, beauty, fertility and health, decadence (or at least a lifestyle removed from the physical roles and occupations that require short hair) that it has become feminine itself. It still stems from our biological wiring.

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  • Why were my brother and I having this same conversation a few weeks ago? Variations within the human race don't have to make 1 trait lesser than another, it just means that we have more tools at our disposal as an entire species. If females are stronger in some aspect of life then we should use those advantages to their fullest and vice versa with males. I can understand why some people are frustrated w/ societal expectations, judgments, stigmas, etc. but people also need to get some self-awareness.

  • This is the most I've read in a long time. Lol. This was an interesting read my friend - you've got a way of articulating yourself. Overall good work.

  • They can be natural sure, but they shouldn't be "forced" upon people.

    • Natural can NOT be forced by definition. it makes zero sense. why would you need to work out to be muscular if it was natural? if tattoos were naturally masculine, I suppose every boy should be born with a tattoo.

    • @Heroinne "forced"

  • Seems like guys in here have some kind of impulse to make one rule apply to any course of action. I e it is good for men to be human beings bc to be human is masculine. Just seems really contrived, and the constant need to prove how everyone naturally IS suspect. To me. I mean if what is IS then let it be. Trying to prove it makes it seem like it's not so Much belief but the need to think/ feel that way.

    As for tattoos, I wear washable ones that way it will never get old give me cancer nor will I get tired of it. And in my opinion, anyone who likes you should LOVE hearing stories about you. Regardless of your gender.

    It's horrible to not appreciate a full personality. If a guy can not appreciate a full person ( femininity is usually described as something like 1/2 a person imo) then it's better to be a lesbian if you want a relationship lol

    • There nothing to prove because what he said is reality. He backed it up with science, intelligence and unless you're a very illogical person, you'll dispute that. I think the problem is women are to emotional to accept the truth. Maybe you hate that fact that he said that women and men aren't the same but look you're a woman so try to find joy in your feminity. It's very important.

  • Which is why I never shave my chest.

  • While I don't agree with many things in this, I do agree that people need to toughen up a bit, but on the other side, watch what they say
    "And that dress is so ugly!" Like really? It's not something to complain about. They aren't even wearing the dress, you are, so why does it matter?
    On the other side, people should watch what they say about people's family or people's personalities and such like that because you never really know how that can affect someone. Also, I think being racist is getting ridiculous now. No, you should not be racist. But if someone ways "well, black men are good at sports" calm down, that's not racist. It's just a simple statement. I think people are putting way too much energy into it.

  • This was so poorly written (and made even worse by all the embedded images) that I didn't waste time reading it. Read www.jlakes.org/ch/web/The-elements-of-style.pdf

    • So you didn't read yet you say it's poorly written? I'm not following your logic here. No I'm not going read 109 fucking pages right now lmao. If you have something you would like to oppose, then by all means oppose me. I'll respond. You coming in here telling me my take was poorly written without even reading it doesn't really add any value.

    • I read enough to know that your writing needs a lot of work.

    • What part? You're welcome to elaborate. To be honest, this is what I'm getting at.. I think that you don't like the very idea of this take and strongly oppose it. Instead of opposing you, you attempt to try and insult me in a condescending manner thinking It has some power over me or the argument itself. It doesn't. It's like you're shooting an empty shell at me. There is no firepower when you literally don't articulate one thing.

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  • This is fantastic.

  • And this is why feminism is a thing.

    I think you make a very good point but took some wrong directions to get there. Though I have an individual preference for gender roles, there is such a thing as equality. Feminism isn't about women believing they are the same as men. We understand the biological, emotional and mental differences between us and men. We accept and embrace it. Any other kind of feminism than this isn't true feminism at all.

    This whole taking things seriously has gotten out of hand so I wholly agree with you on that. These days, everything is a trigger.

    Anyway, well written take and, as I said, I know where you're coming from - but there are some things pertaining to women that I don't appreciate. Just a personal opinion in regards to my gender, nothing more. And not something to hate on you for because, in so many ways, you're right.

    • Any group with multiple definitions is defective. You say that your own feminism is the real feminism but unfortunately it's a minority. Since you have equal rights already, don't you think it's time to drop that label. If you want a label, how about egalitarism. Feminism is a hypocritical group for the sole benifit of women. And if you call yourself a feminist, I can't take you seriously.

  • As a woman, thank you! I'm so tired of people calling me anti-woman when I say I
    would like a traditional marriage with the husband and wife each having a role.

  • If that's how you want yourself to be and your girlfriend likes that about you then cool story brah:)

    But the majority of your take is coming from your G. I. D. That's general insecurity disorder there muscle man ;)

    so overall you think things like showing emotions, not being physical strong, not getting pussy all hours of the day, and daring to be anything but a meat headed, testosterone driven Dullard as worthy of being called less of a man? Worthy of being bullied "all in good fun"? Seriously that's fucked up BRAH

    You need your masculinity worn on your sleeves because you'd have absolutely zero personality without it. "I'm a goddamn MAN!" Is all you have to define you, and that is what's truly pathetic.

    "Man" and "woman" are words that define gender not personhood. If you can't look at someone and see them as a person first and foremost you are missing anything that could be called genuine empathy. I pity you.

    I also find it ironic that you bashed a guy for delivering a "novel" explaining individuality to you, then had to write this long ass my take to validate how Manly you are and how much of a dweeb he was. Nice job there.

    • Are you going to oppose anything or just throw cheap shots at me? You really have no idea who I am yet you're insulting me because we have a view in which we disagree with. I've probably experienced a lot more life than you. I'm open minded but you're just throwing insults at me.

    • Worthy of being bullied "all in good fun"? Seriously that's fucked up BRAH If you think that is fucked up, then you would not fit into any military lifestyle. That's Marine Corps culture. I enlsited to serve a purpose higher than myself and I grew accustom to their culture in time. I can differentiate the Marine Corps to civilian life. It was simply a reference. I'm quite confident in myself. Again, you have no idea who I am. You're just insulting me. Who are you to diagnose me with G. I. D. ? lmao. You're just calling me pathetic because I have a difference of opinion on a topic than you. That's a little bit irrational, wouldn't you say?

    • @Chico_brah You spoke the truth! I think the problem is feminism has taught women to be assertive and say whatever bullshit they want without thinking. She's just in a very miserable and pathetic state and by you saying that men and women are not the same, you worsened it. So she hates you for that.

  • Tl;dr

    But I up voted you anyway. 🙋

  • See, I agree with a vast majority with what was said here - despite me being notably effeminate. I've been currently getting into a work out routine because feeling masculine is very satisfying (plus exercise itself is rewarding, yay neurotransmitters) and I wasn't comfortable with my body.
    Sexual dimorphism is a noted phenomena - despite what SJWs spout - and I fully recognise and understand the limitations of each gender. However, I will have to note something, but please correct me if I misunderstood, there are of course some women out there who genuinely prefer being masculine (commonly referred to as 'dykes' or something) and there are some women who prefer effeminate men (some of my exes for example). There are also some men who prefer being effeminate and/or prefer masculine women (a close friend of mine is a dom with her BF). These are due to biological/physiological influences. It has been noted that the more older male siblings a boy has before being born - the higher the likelihood of them being gay or at least effeminate. This has been theorised as a sort of evolved familial glue system, but again, is purely speculative at this point in time.
    I guess what I'm rambling about is that I agree with a vast majority of your post (I prefer effeminate girls, and I strive to be masculine despite my biology) but I must disagree on some specifics. Everything else - I'm down with.

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    Well written.

    For most of the mart of your myTake, you were speaking about masculinity and femininity on behalf of gender roles to navigate your points (which is fine).

    I think gender roles are as socially constructed as they are natural. Because, we humans are social animals; we are capable of acting beyond our primitive impulses and urges. The problem we have is our sense of rational thought. Unlike any other animal who are very primitive in their thoughts at best, we are not like this and actively choose not to as we all (well most) believe this would be a detriment to our species as a whole.

    Society is concept we created as humans, just like language and other things along these lines. Ultimately, as a species, our "supposed" priority is to reproduce. The best genes for our best offspring. The problem is that probably 4000 or more years ago, acts which were done to go towards the idea of reproduction probably will be shunned by the people of today (and will be considered barbaric and unattractive).
    This could suggest that the place holders for what traits are placed in the gender roles are always changing and this is natural but is naturally influenced from how we comprehend things as a social species.

  • It's hard for you to talk about gender roles when you pump steroids through your veins daily to be the "Alpha" male (as you call it). Yet you always say to me "I'm gonna tell on you".
    You are giving advice by saying that people are too soft but then you are reporting and cop calling as if you cannot take care of yourself.
    Weeks ago you said you were messing around in the Marine corps and you talked of being a hero and doing something risking your safety for the country. Then I showed you that a total of 3 people died in the year of your heroic warzone area. Then I showed you 2 murdered within 3minutes on the block of my ghetto.

    You can't write about stuff you have not experienced. you are just a college kid. you need experience.

    • You're absolutely ridiculous dude. I'll address everything you've said here. 1) Steroid Use Okay, I've discussed this a couple times on this forum. Steroids for the bodybuilder is used simply as a tool to raise the ceiling of your genetic potential. You reach a certain point where you just can't bigger and grow anymore because your natural generics will not allow you to.

    • I'm open about my performance enhancement use because I feel too many people lie about it and that's exactly what is wrong with the fitness industry. "Buy this supplement and you can look like me!!" No, that's far from the truth. They are robbing naive teenagers of their money. Fake naturals try to take some false credit telling guys they can look like them if they just eat right and train hard. That's fucking bullshit and it's giving guys false hope to an unobtainable physique. When people tell me they admire my physique I usually like followup by telling them I use performance enhancing drugs because they won't look like me if they train naturally.

    • Performance enhancing drugs in bodybuilding is simply a tool to raise the ceiling of your genetic potential. I gained a ridiculous amount of muscle naturally. You reach a point where you can't get any bigger though. I reached that point. I decided to move forward because I have good genetics for this sport. You don't take performance enhancers and suddenly become jacked. I know TONS of dudes who take shit and still look like crap. They are forgetting that I'm force feeding myself 5000 to 6000 calories some days. They are forgetting that I'm training some days for two hours at a time on verge passing out. They forget all that and say "Oh it's because he takes this". That's bullshit. My blood work shows that I'm as healthy as a natural athlete in his prime. Blood work doesn't lie. My lipid panel is fine. Literally everything is in check and above average. I'm not going to die anytime soon, so I'm sorry to disappoint.

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