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With Regard to Respecting Womanhood...

With regard to respecting womanhood, I'm not trying to be a white knight, just using pure honesty.

I have been here on GAG now for several months and have commented on numerous posts from others. I have read through even more than I have had time to comment on. The pattern I see emerging is a troubling one at best when it comes to the sexual topic. First of all, it may seem like I'm trying to beat up on my own gender here but its not the case because I also see plenty of women contribute to the problem I'm about to address by their making excuses for the behavior of the guys in their life, or their being completely sold in allowing disrespect of their-self in order to be accepted into the social norm.

I'm on a passionate tirade today because I have come across a post from a guy in his early 20's yet again who has addressed a woman's vulva as "hanging meat curtains." I also frequently read other posts where a girl is asking an honest question because she needs some reassurance that her body looks good, only to have some guy come on and tell her that she is not good enough by making statements toward her such as "no guy will go down on her or have sex unless she fixes her body." Is this really what we have come to as a society??? Is there any wonder why someone can go shoot up a school, abandon their child, or treat their significant other as an object, devoid of any feelings of sympathy or empathy, when our society has become so systematically dehumanized? I'm sure many will come up with many excuses as to why they feel they need to act this way but those excuses do not hold water! I may even be accused of "judging" for pointing out how judgmental this type of mentality is, but so be it.

The fact of the matter is that women, as imperfect of creatures as they may be, are still the greatest gift of mercy on the face of this earth to us men. For every imperfection they have, we men have about 100 more. With all the imperfections of a woman, there is a perfection and fairness to her that is out of this world divine and beautiful. She is someone who can nurture a child naturally. She has within her body the ability to facilitate the creation of life. She has the ability to be compassionate and loving. She is willing. She puts up with a brunt of some of the unfair things we put off on her, including our tireless sexual demands as learned through pornography.

A woman now days is the recipient of an increasingly overwhelming amount of pressure to perform and look a certain body style, which can never be satisfied because she can never win vs. what she is up against by the likes of modern pop fashion trends and pornography. This fictitious standard has been set so incredibly high that she is consumed with the thought in many cases that she must somehow be "perfect" every time she turns around. Exactly what is "perfect" and who sets this fictitious concept??? Throw that all in the mix with constant labeling her vulva and such with derogatory terms as a "hairy roast beaf sandwich" or calling her breasts "tits" and likening her to the udder of a cow, and then is it any wonder why she pays thousands in monthly body modifications, enhancements, unnecessary surgeries, and products? Is there any wonder as to why the fashion industry preys on this constant fear of rejection and shaming???

We are really lucky as men that women want to have anything to do with us whatsoever after all they are put through in this area. Yes, men are very driven by sight and vision which has good reason naturally. If something didn't drive us as attractive, it would be more difficult to get us to want to make a baby and continue our seed and way of life. Whether its known or not, young men at puberty come with a natural preset of mental wiring which drive him as to how the female body should appear naturally in order to attract him as a mate. When the thousands of daily images through pornography however is allowed to poison these mental presets and replace reality, everything within him changes. It is playing with fire. We as men have a responsibility to not toy with our natural passions beyond their limits and to keep it in check.

Just like the male body develops at puberty with pubic hair to signal a female that his body and glands are ready to ejaculate and produce seed, the female body also signals this same sign back to let him know that her body is ready to be penetrated and that she can now facilitate the creation of life. Pornography prevents this beautiful union and tells both that unnatural acts and looks are preferred. A man should want the woman in his life to appear as physically mature and as if she has attained womanhood. He should not have a fictitious benchmark as to how her labia should appear, whether inward or outward. He should find her beautiful no matter the color of her labia. Her pubic hair and female shaped hips should appear beautiful to him because she is a mature woman and its the correct mental image as designed by nature or nature's God, which ever way one chooses to believe.

At the end of the day, sex is meant to be the most loving and beautiful act between a man and woman possible. It is first and foremost an expression of love. It can be relaxing and intense as well as fun at times. It can also be stress relieving, so why then allow ourselves to be stressed out by something that should be so enjoyable and healing, by turning it into a body shaming session with degrading terminology, or making it into a violent, mechanical, painful, and degrading act? We can and should do better at this or our generation and the generation to come will be highly dysfunctional and unhappy, despite these wonderful gifts we have been given. I believe strongly that we as men will be held accountable if we do not treat all the women in our lives with the upmost respect and love as well as cherish and protect them as they deserve nothing less.

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  • Yup. Porn is a scourge on a genuine man-woman romantic relationship.
    And the guys will defend it as completely normal and acceptable. Even the girls are getting in on it. Sad really, they will have high difficulty finding satisfaction in their relationships.

    • I think a certain amount and type of porn is normal, and interest in seeing other people's naked bodies and things is also normal. But so much of what we have out there now is very distorted to show all women as submissive sluts who never need what regular women need to get off, and shows men always as dominating and defiling. Remember 70s porn where the actors looked like normal people? And everyone was having fun? I miss that.

    • Porn is a substitute. If you've had an economics course, you know what I mean by that. Don't you think most men would prefer to fuck a woman? The answer is Yes, by the way. BUT, women have made themselves undesirable, unapproachable, toxic, and dangerous. They've priced themselves out of the market for the average guy. So, what's left? Well, in civilized cuntries, he'd go get a whore. That's not an option in places like the US, not for the majority of men anyway. So it's off to Teh Interwebz to find porn. If women weren't so damn horrible, if they didn't consider 80% of men to be subhuman, these guys wouldn't be watching porn. But why should they spend a bunch of time and money trying to date a woman, when she'll take whatever he offers and then go fuck some thug? Men aren't stupid, we analyze people, situations, etc, subconscously, and act on our analyses. Most men can do a Cost-Benefit Analysis without ever having heard the term or having any formal training in it.

    • @Barrabus_the_Free - Well, yes, this is a loser mentality. There is still plenty of opportunity for normal man-woman romantic relationships if that is your desire. Or just MGTOW and bail. It's totally up to you. But I don't doubt what you're saying, this generation is lacking is normal, realistic expectations. The result of poor upbringing.

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  • Any time a woman expresses that she doesn't want to be treated like shit on GAG, there is a gaggle of man-babies to call her a feminazi. It's gotten so ridiculous.

    • I agree with your assessment of the situation where often this happens on many posts. My point however is to not bash on men or women but to respectfully bring about awareness and perhaps get everyone to take a step back and realize that we need to see our sexuality in a more healthy and respectful light. Most men and women need each other wheather they want to admit it or not so perhaps its time to make sure us guys are doing our part to be good and decent during sex or during courtship on a path that leads to eventual sex.

    • I entirely agree with you. Sex can be so sublime, so sacred, oh and just so excellent and juicy when partners are deeply engaged in what they do, accepting and loving one another, encouraging each other. It makes me really sad for a lot of these people who will never experience sex so good it can only be called a religious experience. I try to coach a lot of the young women here to demand pleasure, to own and appreciate their sexuality, to stand strong when pressured, to be in total control of what happens and when, so sex can be more than this kind of unsatisfying thing you just do as a duty.

    • Well said. When two people love each other, they will make it their priority to make sure the other is both well pleasured and also respected since its the ultimate display of love. The body of both will be respected and seen as beautiful as is too.

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  • First i want to point out that so fat ever girl that's has commented has been downvoted by a guy, and I bet it's because the women love what you said.

    But i also want to point out, guys are the same way, they want to make sure they are good enough for a girl with their "how do I look" or "is my dick big enough" and same type of questions.
    BUT going off that, the guys who post the would you rather "have a super fit muscular guy or average muscular guy" the majority of women want the average, non six pack kind of guy, but yet a lot of guys still want the skinny super model look, or the skinnier girls. Double standard.

    Girls on here do seem to get judged more and harsher, or they tell the truth on questions about guys and get called a lier (I have been mitiple times) then guys want to turn around and say men are superior, women are worthless, they wouldn't be here because of men and have no right to do this that and the other. And when we stand up for ourselves we are "man hating feminists"

    I love what you posted and it is super sweet, and women usually get the short end of the stick.

    BUT I think the base line is guys should treat women with respect AS WELL as women treating men with respect, it goes both ways, women are just as guilty as men in these situations, some (not all you wonderful men out there!) just take it top far sometimes

    • Far** not fat

    • Contrary to popular opinion, the male equivalent of an hourglass figure and a pretty face is an athletic body and a chiseled face, not sixpack abs. Women are absolutely visual when it comes to athletic bodies, square jawlines and piercing eyes. The only difference is women have been socially conditioned to be more shy about admitting they are visual, using terms like "chemistry" and inventing personality traits that the best friends of her object of affection would not recognize in him, while men will easily admit they are visual.

  • Great Take!
    I don't necessarily agree with every single point but I'm so happy to see a guy acknowledging the problem, because a lot of guys seem to think there's nothing wrong with that behaviour, or alternativley that men have it just as bad (like that makes it alright)

  • God bless you for this!!🙏 *_*
    great MyTake 😌

  • women have visual preferences too. its up to everyone to decide what they will or will not put up with. people who are shallow are going to attract the same. im not worried about that bc im not an asshole and i dont like assholes. i also dont like body hair so i understand it not being everyones thing. natural does not mean good. small pox are 'natural'. shaven is better in my opinion.

    its also not a trait of women to 'put u[p' with stiff. if it happens it happens but not bc a person is a woman. ad humans being socially based. e put up with many things to get along, unless/ until we dont. in my opinion people put up with way too much they should reject and make a big deal out of things that are really petty.

    • i dnt see this post as respecting womanhood bc its not really about women, its about what guys feel about genitalia. they feel what they feel.

    • you really just compared natural body hair to small pox? what the hell is wrong with you

  • I'm going to be completely honest, I don't see men tearing down women based upon there looks, in fact I see the exact opposite where women ask for men to judge them based upon their looks, to rank them and men as men are want to do are incredibly generous because we tend to be fairly reasonable in this department. Nothing like what you say there is. Maybe you just stumbled upon the select few who do not match this, but after being on this site for several years I can say that what your saying does not match what I have seen.

    As for their looks, are you suggesting men don't have pressure to look good? Are you actually going to argue that men just like going to the gym, dieting to get a six pack (steroid use is up, 4% of the male population will use them, about 1-2% will develop eating disorders as well comparative to the 3% in women)? Are you saying women don't out right state that they refuse to date a guy shorter then them? Are you going to make the claim that women don't expect men to be successful, to be "ambitious"(long term plan for wealth), to have a car, to be independent? Are you going to say that women do not attack a mans sexuality when they want to hurt him accusing him of being a virgin, claiming he can't get any? Accusing him of living in his parents basement? Because if your going to do that then you are completely ignoring everything that women do which is the same as what men do, worse in fact because while men are biologically wired to protect and cater to women, women are predisposed to use men (you can't have empathy for some one you send off to die, for some one you will readily abandon when in danger to save yourself).

    I have not seen any man on this site tell a woman to get plastic surgery, at least not enough to be note worthy, almost all have stated otherwise, that they shouldn't get plastic surgery, that they don't need make up, there is nothing wrong with small/large breasts etc. When was the last time you have seen a woman say the equivalent to a man? That he doesn't need to be tall? That he doesn't have to have a career? That he doesn't have to be in good shape? Rarely.

    No men do not have more issues then women, we have the same, and we have the same insecurities the differences is society and men pander to women pampering them and caring about them. No one gives a shit about men (probably why 78% of all suicides are male).

    • The fact is this "respect" for women is what has gotten us into this mess. Women are not goddesses, they are not saints, they are not angels, they are not perfect beings. They are humans, they shit they eat, they are selfish and self absorbed, they lie, manipulate and exploite, and like all human beings they have the potential for good things but only when they are held accountable and kept on the ground with the rest of us. Its you and men like you that are responsible for all of these problems in our world and between the sexs. Because you refuse to acknowledge the wrongs women do it creates bitterness and friction between the sex's, it convinces women that they can do no wrong there fore everything is the mans fault, it convinces her that she doesn't have to listen to what her man needs, that she doesn't have to think about any one but herself. That's why almost 80% of divorces are filed by women. Its why women are more likely to abuse their spouse.

    • Its why men have their children used against them like weapons either by the courts that keep them from seeing them when going through a divorce or by women who want to exploit the man and get more money from him so when he doesn't pay child support (or the amount she wants) she withholds his children from him. Your the problem. Of course women are going to be getting bigger and bigger heads when no one is willing to call them out when they do wrong, guys would be no different, the difference is that we are not inclined to cater to men like we do women. So I call bullshit on your take, its not about respecting woman hood. If you truly respected women you would call them out when they do wrong, you would not act as if they where children (I imagine your the type who also believes women should be treated as equals right? So why is it a mans responsibility to make a woman feel better about herself? Is it a womans responsibility to make a man feel better about himself?)

    • Your pandering to them and treating them like children instead of adults. So you are the problem, you are the one inflating their egos which allows them the mental justification to do horrible things and to be self absorbed and narcasistic which in turn makes men increasingly bitter and frustrated because they are treated like shit so they become increasingly hostile towards women, even the women who haven't done anything wrong. So I would ask that you not respect womanhood but rather respect woman and see them as the fully functional adults that they are.

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  • Disrespecting anyone is always bad, whoever or whatever sex they are. But in todays world more and more common. Perhaps because people have become less religious, thus less people are taught respecting others is a good thing.

    Personally however I think the pressure on men these days is higher than it has ever been.

    With regards to how popular being an independant career woman is these days. Look at Japan as an example.

    And how white men are being blamed for "the patriarchy", which I would have believed in before ww1 but now now.
    Also you tend to get more white knights promoting and spreading these ideas.

    Sometimes I get the feeling that all this feminism and anti man talk by the media is undermining men-woman relationships on purpose. And it is, marriage and birth rates are at an all time low in the developed world.

    Men go their own way and or red pilling is becoming more and more populair. Perhaps as a reaction to all of this.

    Eventually most of us are looking for a great partner. I hope we will come more together.

  • Agreed!

  • I kinda cried when I read this, I thought men didn't care about the pregnancy part ♥

    I kinda disagree with pornography. It's every form of entertainment: music, movies, programmes, all influence how men and women should look. The problem is we see model women more than average women.

    ----> then we get in a cycle that models are most beautiful because they are average of what men see daily. Average women are seen rarely thus liked or hated.

    We kinda need to promote healthy standards of looks.

    The topic on body hair is very annoying. Men saying leg hair is masculine on a woman... well having eyebrows and a nose must be masculine too. Just because we have similarities doesn't mean we become a man.

  • Sex is so over rated anyways. I see guys in my college literally ruining their lives just trying to get sex at the least and relationships at the most. They neglect their work and it's not fun hanging out with them because they are too concentrated on getting a woman. I'm glad I'm not in a relationship with a woman, too much hassle and just not for me.

  • Meh to be honest you sound like not too far from a screw up yourself.

    From what I've read, you're making men out to be complete evil and the root of all issues.

    I agree with you that pornography is screwing up men. I'd add to that by saying online dating is screwing up men too.

    HOWEVER for many of us, dating and relationships come with significant economic strings attached, in addition to being grossly inefficient. I don't want to toot my own horn but if I spent my teens and young adulthood in bars looking for a new girlfriend, I wouldn't be where I'm at right now, which is completing my Ph. D. in chemistry/applied mathematics. Instead I'd probably be one of these sad saps that's both lonely and has no career. At least now, I am building up a stable career AND have all the freedoms that come with that title, which happens to include plenty of women I meet on Tinder, etc.

  • There are two ways to dehumanize someone: Seeing them as above you and seeing them as below you. Both have disastrous results for the person being dehumanized.

    Women are people. Not goddesses, not sex objects. People. I appreciate the sentiment, but this doesn't help. We should all respect what part we play in reproduction, because both parts are needed, and the result is a new human life.

  • Eh porno has made women mostly obsolete. No longer is there a need to go to the trouble of going to a bar and settling for what you find when you can simply stay home and jack off to practically any woman you fantasize about after a few minutes of searching Pornhub (or a number of other free tube sites). In a few decades artificial Realdolls made of cloned bodies grown in labs (as opposed to the current silicone rubber) but pre-programmed with 3d crystal brains to be mechanical sex slaves will be even better than the real thing since none of them will cry or complain when I want a 3-some with a 2nd Realdoll and require none of the time and effort a real relationship requires. At the end of the day sex is just a fun activity, there's nothing special about it. Held accountable? Will be interesting to see how that happens when most men will generally care even less than they do now.

    • You charmer...

    • @Rissyanne The brutal truth sucks sometimes.

    • To a bitter person like yourself... yes I guess so. I hope you are your doll will be very happy... lol

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  • Mary me

    • :) <3

  • It really makes it harder in life when you encounter "men" like these who are still immature, superficial jerks. I wish there would be more men like you. Nice MyTake.

    I've always been and probably forever will be self-conscious of my body. Especially intimate parts and my breasts. It's an endless fight.

    • Hang in there sister. I'm sure you are beautiful and have nothing to apologize for or be ashamed of when it comes to your body. The right guy will come around and you will be happy because you both will learn to treat each other well. There are many good guys who are ready and willing to love a woman and there are many good women too. It takes both to protect each other's value and and reinforce respect. I keep hoping that the guys who are commenting here and taking my comments so hard will get the bigger picture that they just need to be respectful. Demand respect yes, but start on one's self first.

    • its easy to side with him when he is just bagging on himself and not you. mytake owner, you are NOT helping the situation. Women are human, making them seem above others may boost the egos of others, but there are some people both men and women, who do not need that crap

  • I totally agree, as a society we need to learn to integrate our sexuality into ourselves, not the other way around. It doesn't matter who started it, whether it was feminism or misogyny or whatever, it is time that we all start looking at each other as human beings, not objects for our sexual pleasure. Man and woman were made for each other, to love each other, and they have the miraculous ability to create new humans through that love. We need to understand that motherhood and the family is the fundamental and ordered structure of sexuality, not pleasure (not that there is anything wrong with the feel good part but it isn't the big picture.) The real happiness does not come from animal pleasure, it comes from creating a beautiful union between two people and the children that come from that union.

    This was a really good post.

  • In summary...

    Tell women they are beautiful, even those who are not.

    Treat women with the utmost respect, even those who do not deserve it.

    Women are immoral, only in so far as they facilitate the immorality of men.

    But, you are not singling out your own 'gender' (sex).

    You could be a traditionalist or a feminist. It is difficult to tell. But, really, there is not much difference, anyway. Both view men as the rightful slaves of women.

    • I am traditional. I am not feminist and think they are extreme just like I think that a guy who uses a woman as an object for his pleasure is extreme. Both are wrong. But to put a blanket statement that ether extreme represents their respective genders is also not correct so please do not take me out of context here.

    • Feminists use violence. The guys whom you condemn do not. There is a major difference. Stop white-knighting, and accept the fact that there are many evil women in the world, as indeed there are many evil men.

    • Sir, I am not white-knighting at all. Yes, there are both evil men and women. There are indeed men however who use violence all the time against women too. Violence or no violence though, is it right to address a woman's parts as "meat curtains"? I think you should re-read what I wrote and not see it as an attack against us guys but as a call for self inventory. How can we better ourselves? We must start within if we expect women to also realize where they go wrong.

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  • I think I love you. 😉

    • :) Thank you

  • The white knighting is intense in this little tirade of yours. None shall speak ill of m'lady's beef curtains!

    Hunourous or dereogatory nicknames for body parts predates our generation by millennia. Putting women on a pedestal and feeding insecure calls for validation and attention is not going to help things.

  • The guys who say stuff like that are very stupid and women can tell this right away. It is annoying to have to see but our real life experiences with men are usually better.

  • "For every imperfection they have, we men have about 100 more."
    I wonder how much hatred would you get if you said the sentence above the other way around. Like "For every imperfection we have, they women have about 100 more.".
    BUT now that you say men have 100 times more flaws it is okay.

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