Where do I go from here?

[Jjpayne]

Two gaggers left me something and from one gagger that is really smart and that I respect. I am just going to left the messages play out and talk after.

"Sorry but this is pretty sad, women are just like us men, humans, drooling over them, daydreaming about them, fantasizing and investing so much time to write things about them and express how much of holy being they are is, even though most women appreciate it, pretty thirsty and desperate.

Yes it is nice and manly to respect women and to acknowledge their importance and significance on our lives, but that doesn't mean we gotta worship them and see them as something so special and so unique that we gotta give so much unreasonable attention to, this is just feeding their ego, it's not just "expressing love for women" anymore, though that's already sad on its own.

I'm saying this not only from this Take, but from your behaviour on this website in general, it's pretty similar and I've seen Takes of yours like this one as well, having so much focus on females will definitely have a negative impact on your life in my opinion, tbh I'd call you a very polite, very nice pervert, that's not so bad but it is bad for yourself and your life.

You said you fantasize and do this stuff before you get a girl for your own, but I'm afraid that your behaviour might negatively impact that as well, it won't just make it harder for you to find a girl because you have them on such a high throne and you're too focused on them, it'll also give you hard time in such a relationship in case it's not with a girl playing you around because you love women so much and she'd charm you, as modesty, humbleness, and equality are very important factors in a relationship.

I get your message and your good intentions, but women aren't everything, neither are they half of everything, they are important yeah but distracting, get your priorities in check and suppress your focus on women and their bodies to more useful things, get yourself busy and keep your attention on things to make YOU a better and happier person, and surprise, the girl will come to you, that's the rule of love, it comes when you least expect it.

Stay safe and take care, nothing personal bro, okay?"

"This is exactly the kind of thought that runs through my mind every time I read something from this guy. Hope he reads this and takes the advice to heart."

"same here, he's a very nice and polite guy and I wish the best for him, he's not even ugly to be called an incel or something, all the good materials are there for him to become a really amazing and well-balanced man!"

"I agree, the only thing that poses a problem for him is his woman worshipping tendencies and his intense fascination with MtF transformation. I liked him a lot when I first came to know of him, he even gave me a shoutout in some video he posted on YouTube a while back, and I thought he was a pretty cool dude. But it got hard to like him when he started posting those very long and elaborate myTake stories about men magically turning into women or masculine girls turning into bimbos, not because his writing wasn’t good, but because I found the very nature of such stories incredibly disturbing, especially because one of them was about an underage girl on here who asked him to write about her. He is a really nice guy, but he just takes some things too far and focuses on some things more than he probably should. Like you said, he’s “a very nice, very polite pervert,” and I think that’s quite a fitting description."

"I just remembered those too, writing as a hobby is okay and I encourage it, but when it's accompanied with such fantasies and inappropriate disturbing subjects, it gets out of hand, his mind needs to be contained as being nice and polite isn't really enough."

I think the words that were the strongest were "a very nice, very polite pervert" I will have to read over these words again but this was not your average messages I felt the words to be fairly spot on.

I am feeling like a break from gag is best, it is far too tempting to get your mind going into all these no so good places.... But I am honestly eager to hear what others have to say about these words. Please be respect to those that said them and to me. But I would be interested at some constructive advice from others as well.

I want to be a force for good on here and I really want to know how I can most help others. I thought that by expressing myself that I would be able to release what was inside of me and maybe what was inside of others but now I think it can be a crutch used to glorify things that I need to adjust another way.

I think another question I have which may be a question itself how do I best deal with the struggles I have and what is the best direction for me to go.

[AmandaYVR]

Jj,
This makes me sad. I don't know what this is all about, but I worry that you are taking these couple of comments too much to heart.
I honestly don't know what they are referring to. This has not been my experience with you. I have very good, positive associations with your name, and with all our interactions. Your Panda Dub short story was an absolute gem. I think you are creative, imaginative, kind, and even romantic. You appreciate the beauty in the world, and you are able to find it, to zone in on it.
Of course, some males may say that if you are putting women up on a pedestal, being a white knight, etc. that some girls would come in and defend this, champion this. Well I can only speak for myself, and I do have my opinions about many things, many people. I do not believe all people are equal, or worthy of investing time or emotional energy in. But the ones that are, male, female, young, old, doesn't matter - life is richer and more fulfilling when we surround ourselves with positive people, intelligent people, fun people... you name it... and everyone has their preferences and style of what they like, and what brings meaning to their life. But regardless of that, I don't think it is debatable that you are a kind person, and you try to be a positive force on the site. I have enjoyed many interactions with you, whether they be about something arty or creative, philosphies of life... anything, really. I enjoy reading your comments and I've never noticed anything 'off' or unhealthy about you. As I say, I speak from my experience, my POV. I don't think you should leave gag. I don't think that would be the best thing for you, or gag. I don't know who these guys are who are saying this to you, and they are entitled to their opinions, but just consider that they could have their own experiences, their own histories and baggage that they themselves are not able to get past. Anybody who uses phrases such as 'bros before hoes' or 'putting the pussy on the pedestal' are already standing in an adversarial position against 55% of the population. How is that helpful? We are not at war with one another. Women are not perfect, men are not perfect, but to be a person who is able to look past the friction, the flaws, the different ways of looking at the world, and instead sees us as just humans, more similar than we are different... this is a valuable trait to have. If you desire women, that is a good thing. If someone women treat some men badly, then they are not good people. But this is all a two-way street. I don't buy into the whole concept that women are revered and men are condemned. That is just way too superficial an analysis for me. Simpler minds distill complex ideas down to a more manageable byte. And they seem to enjoy trying to recruit others, to build out their tribe. But be an individual, Jj. Use your own mind, your own heart, to see through to the other side. While these guys may possibly have believed they had your best interest in mind, their motivations, or their outlook, could be distorted. Keep that in mind. Any person, man or woman, who is kind, and generous of spirit, is always the better person in my book. Do we really all need to become hardened by life's hardships, by inequities, or intermittent episodes of not being treated well? It is a choice, how you handle adversity and hardship. It serves no purpose, does not good, to shut down, and go into fight mode. I think you are a sweetheart, and I think you should continue being you - stay open, express yourself, and have fun. Closing off, leaving, walking away, is not the answer. Stay here, and learn, grow, live. If you are unhappy with some things, just continue to work on them. The effort, alone, can make you into a better person.

[Jjpayne]

I'll have to read all that you said but it's a problem sometimes on gag to have connections with girls under 18 because sometimes they can be even more supportive than others and that helps to connect with them but it's tough because such a thing would never happen in real life. But my fiction writing is true and I did right a fiction in her honor based on being goth. It's tough... These stories help me to channel what I think about and get it out of my head and while it's placing a high value of women it's me having that desire... To wake up one day and to be a part of the female culture. It's a dangerous place to be because it denies who and what I am as a man. It's like I need to find a healthy way to channel these thoughts and feelings... To meet me in person im no where close to where I am on this site. This site is a way to engage other people in sexual questions and answers and thoughts in society that can be addressed no other place but here. Honestly, I really would appreciate a talk in person with a strong woman. And feel like I've been down this road before with other comments... But to really get all my feelings out... Maybe another mytake would be good, can you think of a venting mytake that would be helpful for me to write?

[AmandaYVR]

Ok. Now we are getting somewhere less abstract. So it is not just admiring women, but questionably unhealthy connections with them. Well, there are those (usually men) who will say that it is just basic biology to be attracted to younger women/'girls' actually, and it's very difficult to fight this basic biology. But I cannot in full good conscience dismiss your concerns about this, nor recommend that you do continue down that path. I am not one to emphasize or believe that all must adhere to strict (changing) social morays. Cultural shifts happen, and morality is not black and white, but complex, and highly influenced by a myriad of factors happening in society. But - a middlle aged man needs a mature adult as a partner and/or confidante, and as advanced in emotional maturity as some individuals may be (it does vary widely and we must not lump all people into such big boxes), an 18 yr old, etc. just does not have the life experience to be able to match a 35 yr old. Yet, when people are lonely and/or unsatisfied, and when the anonymity of the internet obfuscates many things which would normally inhibit people from interacting further... well you have a situation which is becoming all the more common. In one way, you are a free man, and you should not be condemned for following your heart, or desire, passion, inquisitiveness, whatever you want to call it in this particular case, but where will it lead, for you? Yes, I think ultimately to frustration. cont'd...

[AmandaYVR]

This site is an amazing venue for honest, explicit, revealing realizations about life. As others have said, I don't know where else you find this. But let's not underestimate the challenge or complexity of trying to navigate this. And no two people are exactlly alike, or in the same state or relationship status in their life, so therefore no handful of 'rules' or standards on how to govern oneself applies. I do see a sea change has occurred in society - we are all interacting less IRL, and have shifted our time and energy into the virtual world. Of course this is obviously bad for our physical health, this sedentary state, but the mental health effects are much less understood, much more obtuse. Everyone needs to question, and reconcile, what these effects are... on them. I'm sure it's clear by now that I believe there is much value in analyzing the world, society, culture, from a bird's eye view, not just so personally, in such a insular way, and from one's own psyche. Of course that is also valuable, but they must both be done, in order to have any objectivity, and understanding about oneself and the world. We have been around, apparently in this general form, for 50,000 years, and changed more in the past 100 years than in our entire history. cont'd...

[AmandaYVR]

"So, we are running 21st century software, our knowledge, on hardware that hasn’t been
upgraded for 50,000 years, and this lies at the core of many of our problems." - Ronald Wright, 'Surviving Progress' documentary. This is fabulous, I highly recommend it (which I did here What’s the most interesting documentary you’ve ever watched? ↗ ) And you'll see I also posted some videos about the dating landscape, which has been completely disrupted (by technology, basically). You see how the ideas, the hardware and software which we have created (well actually blame/champion the Silicon Valley boys, who are actually a relatively small group of people), are directing and influencing our entire culture? This is no small thing.
But technology is not inherently bad, or manipulative. It is the minds behind it, trying to hook us, addict us, that we need to worry about, be cognizant of. You can still be here, you can still use it, but you must develop a more mindful strategy (ies) in how you go about it. Just like how we learn other good habits in life (eating well, driving safely, being responsible with the pleasures of life).
I am not sure about a mytake that you could/should write. This is going a lot deeper now, this whole topic. I'll think about it some more...

[Jjpayne]

Wow! I'm going to need some time to process this and I was not attracted to her but I felt our friendship was a little closer than it should have been. It's tough when you have no one saying anything and then out of the blue someone complementing your work and asking for more... But I agree I really need a mature woman. Let me go and take all this in hold on

[Jjpayne]

That was amazing! Great insight! It's a lot to think about but what also makes it tough is there are many gaggers that are below 18 that are really smart.. I had thought at one point that gag should cut off or separate ages in that area because it's simply dangerous to have on here. I have not personally had a love interest but imagine the guy or girl that does with a minor... I'm trying to figure who I am and what I should be doing... I want to invest my time doing something of value not just for me but for others. And what does that look like? I'm not sure... Another hard piece is its hard to find any connection outside in the non digital world, it drives me crazy that I can have such good relationships with people on gag around my age yet can never have them in person... It's kind of like torture... The illusion of true relationship without it ever being one...

[AmandaYVR]

I honestly don't bump into that many gaggers who are below 18. I've seen a handful or more at 18 who are incredibly well-spoken (ha ha) and insightful, very impressive. But there are ways to interact with people, and encourage people, without it going down a path you ultimately know is not right/will feel guilty about. Yeah, I don't particularly like the comingling of all these topics, with minors. And let's assume that many of them are lying about their age and are younger than they are portraying. Sometimes one will slip up, and when really engaged in a back-and-forth, they say their real age, which clearly contradicts, and if you call them on it they say "it was a mistake" and they are apparently surprised they can't change it. Yeah right. They don't really have the common sense, yet, to understand that the advice we give them really does need to fit their age, not that of someone older. I notice some, essentially teenagers, ask very sexual questions, and it does seem a bit of an ethicall condundrum, how much detail to go into with them. I mean, it's a different world now - information is everywhere and it's not really realistic to try and keep it from people. But we also know that too-early exposure to things is not good for young minds. But this site is primarily filled with adults, so we all walk a fine line there. I can understand your dilemma. cont'd...

[AmandaYVR]

As far as compliments goes: yes, you men definitely are in an awkward/unfortunate position there. You get far fewer compliments in general, in life. When you get them from men, peers, they are genuine and sincere. Apparently they are often about showing props, respect, for work well done, skills, etc. That's great. Women, otoh, do tend to be more 'loose' with theirs, and it is clearly used often as a bonding mechanism that ultimately does often build deeper relationships. Plus, although there is competition in female society, it is not as competitive as with males, so we seem to find it easier to compliment. So what is a man to do, to think, when he receives a (rare) compliment from a female? What does it mean? No wonder there are questions about this often on this site (often coming from a work associate, who the man has some interest in and is desperately wondering if it's reciprocated, or just a general kindness - the answer is unfortunately we don't know at all. It could just as easily be either. Flip a coin, basically.) I like giving compliments to people, and also making observations about them. It's both wonderful to hear, and somewhat nerve-wracking, I guess, when it gets deep, but for most people saying something, they keep it light and it's easily digestible and not laced with something back-handed. So just try and take it for something nice, but not get your hopes up too much that it means something more. cont'd...

[AmandaYVR]

Only about 4-6% of the users on gag have actually met someone off of it IRL, and that number may even be high/not totally accurate. It's not a dating site. I totally understand your frustation, though, about things sort of being a tease... so close, yet still so far. Dating sites don't have as much as the stigma as they used to. Experiment with them too. Maybe combining both, you'll find a happy, somewhat satisfying medium. And as some of the men said, work on yourself - career, hobbies, skills, take classes, work out - all good advice. I don't believe that all women will find an eager guy a turn-off. It's not that simple. But yes, you do need to have some self of self, some sense of autonomy. (I believe it's the appeal of 'the bad boy' and why that topic gets brought up incessantly here and elsewhere. Because individuals, in a 'honey badger don't care' kind of way, are definitely 'cool'. But people also know that they are looking out for themselves first, so their appeal wears thin eventually, once the other person wants more, wants to feel like they are 'more' to them, which they are not.) Re: your "Another hard piece is its hard to find any connection outside in the non digital world, it drives me crazy that I can have such good relationships with people on gag around my age yet can never have them in person... It's kind of like torture... The illusion of true relationship without it ever being one..." I'm afraid there's not much to say in response to this. You said it beautifully and it is unfortunately heart-wrenching and all too true. It is one of the perils (?) of our time. Just know that you are not alone, in that boat.

[Capnjaques]

I love this! Very well said! 😍

[AmandaYVR]

@Capnjaques Thank you! 🐰

[nerms123]

I feel like there is a grain of truth in what they said but you definitely don’t have to accept all of it. For example it’s true you shouldn’t worship women and be careful about underage people but otherwise you should be who you are and do what you want. Also you definitely shouldn’t take this site too seriously. People just say random stuff on here all the time and no one knows who they really are or what they really think. However I think most people need a break from social media now and then so just do whatever feels right for you.

[AmandaYVR]

Great advice, nerms. Far more concise than I am (which I have difficulty with) but I think you said the important points.

[nerms123]

@AmandaYVR thanks 😊

[Jjpayne]

Thank you!

[englisc]

What are these struggles that you have? You mentioned in another comment that you wish to wake up one day and be a part of female culture, what do you mean by that?

[Jjpayne]

To just wake up female. That's quite a thing to have floating around in your mind. To look at social places for women and go I feel like I have more in common with that yet I'm banned to take part of it or shamed for the thought it.

[englisc]

Why do you want to wake up female?

[Jjpayne]

Something feels like to me I would more naturally enjoy that life style. Just throw on some clothes and head into the mall purposely talk with a girl there about fashion and then get a new look go to the salon and get something fun while comfortably talking with a girl that was doing my hair. Going to a food court and trying to sit next to girl to start up a conversation with them. It all comes down to acceptance, girls readily accept other girls faster than boys. To just have a fun conversation with girl in a bathroom would just be fun and interesting. Guys have many many restrictions while girls have them they are going away and are much less than guys I would think at the moment. Case in point, socially a girl can go anywhere in a mall and not get judged. Victoria's secret done, wedding dress shop done, preteen kids shop done, pregancy motherhood shop done, try doing that as a guy... Even try going close to the kids play area no happening... but a girl can go for a couple of minutes and have babysitting clout. Stuff like that

[englisc]

Do you think that some of this has to do with difficulties being a man? As in feeling like you can't comfortably talk to women? Do you struggle with that? Some of this also sounds like a bit of paranoia around being a man and masculinity itself, especially e. g. issues with shopping for kids. I've never had an issue with any of that. Sounds to me like this is kind of a "grass is greener" mentality. But you're obviously not a woman and never will be. If you ever were to try to be, you'd be a man in a dress and all the above things would apply to you anyway. In fact life would probably get harder for you.

[Jjpayne]

Yup, all I can do is fantasize about it... Can't change biology.. And yes connection with women has a significant part of it. It's the power and the pleasure of that gender too. I mean imagine walking down the hall in a tubetop dress and if you were in good shape you turn heads, especially if you have some killer heels hitting the floor. You could talk to any guy in that room and you have his help and undivided attention. There is something to be said about abusing or using that power the wrong way but it's powerful to think about...

[englisc]

So would you say this has a lot to do with feelng desired and gaining power from that? Are you straight?

[Jjpayne]

Yes I am straight and it's a little of both the feeling of power and being welcomed by women instead of avoided or restricted

[hahahmm]

Studies have shown that even hardcore feminists prefer sexist men. They don’t want azz kissers, no matter how much they tell you otherwise so your quest for women to give you something in exchange for worshipping them is doomed to fail. When you make your life all/mostly about women or sex, you fail. Unless you’ve already built yourself up in life to the point where you control everything about your life but in that case you probably would realize the cost of giving control to irrational & chaotic influences.

As far as women deserving respect: nope! Ladies deserve it. Just being female isn’t saying much. Same for males. If he’s not masculine MINDED, no respect is due.

[SydneySentinel]

Sweet Jj, don't let them get you down. Any time you bare your soul, there are still going to be people that are negative. Remember the positives. Be brave, even when it feels impossible. Your friends have got you ❤

[Jjpayne]

Thank you :)

[CandacePerry]

It ok take. I write my own mytake about men & woman. my own experience with past relationships

[Anpu23]

Some things about me, I am an absolute cad, I've slept with many women, worked as a professional Dom and have had a slew of on again off again "relationships" I've successfully had ONSs three multiple three ways and attended orgies. In other words I can get women. And my advice to you if you want love is simply to work on yourself. Become a better you. To focus on women is to lose any chance with them, instead become the best you you can be. Get an interesting hobby or two, work out, learn something, work on your career. And they will come to you.

[Gods_Gift]

Bang on.

[NickiB]

Don't let some judgmental people hurt you. I never seen anything wrong with your behavior.

[apple24]

I think people who are obviously obsessive have another type of problem like hoarders or extremely fat people

[Wowgirl30q]

Omg.

[October808]

You need a hobby.

[skyboy64]

Wow , that is umm kind of creepy but not trying to put you down , but you do needed help with a problem that I'm not equipped to tell you how to deal with it. The only way I can do is be a really good friend and talk and try to listen really good. O. k. That is why I was sent here to do , to listen to people and talk to people who needed to be a good friend. And I'm here 24/5 to talk to on this site and pages. Everybody men or women are most welcome doesn't matter what color you are or where you come from as along as it is in English since that is the only way I can talk not too loud please , just because I wears hearing aids, doesn't mean you get to yell at me for something. O. k. I can hear you or tried to anyway if I don't understand what you are saying I'll ask you to repeat yourself.

[Dean269]

Its ok to express yourself to ease the burden!

[Exorcist_Rampage]

That is true. Men and women enjoy the opposite sex's beauty.

[Anonymous]

I admire your desire to be a force of good, and I understand that your heart is in the right place with the whole putting females on a pedestal thing, but there is definitely some truth in what those guys said. We men have been over appreciating women and treating them as special since the dawn of time, but the time has come to let that go because it essentially amounts to benevolent sexism, and it's time to let that go. Women have essentially lost the right to be treated as special, and we need to start treating them as equals.

[AmandaYVR]

Two way street, Buddy. Change doesn't happen in a vacuum. If you don't like the way women act and treat men, maybe it has something to do with how men also treat women. You men have been essentially ruling the kingdom, in charge of government, making all the decisions, for most of our existence, and I'm not surprised you don't like it now that you are losing your tight hold of control.

[Opinion Owner]

@AmandaYVR Hmm, it would appear I struck a nerve? The way men and women treated each other in the (distant) past was a function of the realities of life back then. Both men and women benefited from it, and survived as a result of it. But men have not "ruled the kingdom" for quite some time now, and women, who represent slightly more than half the electorate, are equally responsible for who is in charge and what decisions are being made. But the point here is that women have been, and continue to be, placed on a pedestal by society, and especially by men when it comes to dating. And there is certainly no question that there is a sense of entitlement among many women to that behavior and a desire to perpetuate it. I have no desire to control anyone, nor do I believe either men or women should have any more control than the other, so you are off base on that comment. I am simply calling out some facts here that it seems many women don't want to hear, and I would argue that it is in fact women who seem to have a problem with letting go of some of the privileges they have enjoyed in the past. You have been treated as special for so long that you take it for granted, and you are obviously struggling with some aspects of the equality you now have. Do you disagree with any of that? If so, please speak up.

[AmandaYVR]

Yep. I disagree. But I am tired of getting into debates over this with anon males. it's not worth it. Reveal yourself, or forget it.

[Opinion Owner]

@AmandaYVR What in the world does being anon have to do with any of this? Unless you post your contact information and a photo of yourself, which I'm pretty sure you haven't, you are anon here too so I don't see how it has any relevance here whatsoever. My guess is you just don't have a solid argument so you're deflecting. Prove me wrong.

[AmandaYVR]

It's very different and you know it. You chose to anon this so you can go balls out with your opinions, without repercussions. You know as well as I that anons on this site (and all SM) have this reputation. Where there is zero at stake, meaning your reputation, self-control does not factor in. And I have been down this road before. Male anons arguing over gender politics is a war with no victors, only a blood bath in the end. You think I can't match your wits, knowledge, or analysis discussing this topic? I rarely post anon and I stand behind my comments and reputation. You do not. I am not threatened by you. But it would take too much energy to attempt to counter you, and solve nothing. And P. S. your "struck a nerve" (aka 'snowflake', triggered, etc.) comment is a common male cop-out. I've done and seen polls here proving that females welcome transparency, sometimes in even higher numbers than men (not on sex talk, but on other GAG Community tech/design topics.) I'll put it plainly for you - 'snowflakes' and self-control do not belong in the same box together. Females online exhibit much more self-control and less desire to debate topics than men, but this does not mean that ending a pointless argument can be attributed to being necessarily 'soft' or in the wrong. Correlation does not equal causation. Anyway, I came here to help Jj, not fight with a coward.

[Jjpayne]

Thank you @AmandaYVR and I'd agree to at least do a question or mytake about this "opinion owner" with your real proflie name, if you are serious about your stance let yourself be known and you would have a chance to make for at least a very interesting debate

[CarpetDenim]

@Jjpayne He doesn’t need to reveal his username to have an interesting debate with her, it’s already interesting. I think he’s right and that @AmandaYVR is deflecting now that she’s realized she doesn’t actually have an argument against him.

[CarpetDenim]

I also find it funny she’s complaining about his anon status and that she herself admits that “Male anons arguing over gender politics is a war with no victors” and that she’s “been down this road before,” as if he’s the one that has antagonized her and instigated the argument with her, or as if any blue anon has ever instigated an argument with her. They post their opinions first, they are the opinion owners, you have to go out of your way to reply to them to have any kind of interaction with them at all, much less have a full blown argument with them. That means you instigate these debates that you ADMIT are a waste of effort every single time, because you’re the one that replies to them and tries to counter whatever statement they’ve said in their initial opinion. If you had a problem with him being anonymous, you could have called him out for that right off the bat in your first reply, or, you could have simply left him alone and not replied at all. But you didn’t, you picked a fight with him based on his claim, not his anonymous status, and when he took the bait and, as I’m sure you weren’t expecting, excelled in delivering a rational, elaborate, and eloquently written counterargument, that’s when you decided to double back on the “Your argument means nothing because you chose to go anonymous” rhetoric. You can’t expect him to reveal his username and criticize him for posting anonymously when you’re the one that chose to start shit on his opinion. You saw he was anonymous, you have the belief that arguing with anonymous users is a waste of time and that no one ever wins, so why did you reply? Why did you start a fight with someone you don’t see a point in fighting with? He’s not obligated to reveal himself to you. You started this, it’s no one’s fault but yours if you decide in the middle of a debate that you don’t like arguing with the opponent you voluntarily chose to start an argument with.

[CarpetDenim]

Oh boy, I didn’t even see the part where you mentioned that women “exhibit much more self-control and less desire to debate topics than men.” I was too stirred up and annoyed by the rest of this thread to even notice that. But holy shit lmao, really? “I came here to help Jj, not fight with a coward.” Now THAT is bloody rich. I can’t even believe you would say something like that when YOU’RE THE ONE THAT STARTED THE ARGUMENT. You ANTAGONIZED him, baited him to counter you. But, because he turned out to be too smart for you and because he outmaneuvered you in the argument you started, which honestly was laughably easy for him given how flawed your first reply was, he’s a coward who is somehow responsible for distracting you from your purpose of helping Jj? How fucking ridiculous.

[Opinion Owner]

@CarpetDenim Thank you so much for chiming in here. You did a far, far better job of expressing the very same thoughts and frustrations I was feeling about this silliness from @AmandaYVR than I ever could have. You rock! @Jjpayne Dude, I have no bone to pick with you in this argument. I'll just say that the whole anon thing is absurd and if ever I did decide to make a MyTake about this topic, which I may do if I find the time, I would still do it anonymously because it encourages a focus on the issues and the discussion and debate rather than personal shit. Over and over again I see people resort to criticizing a poster's anonymous status when they have nothing else of value to say, and that's exactly what @AmandaYVR did here. As CarpetDenim rightly pointed out, AmandaYVR was just deflecting, nothing more.

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@AmandaYVR Wow. Just wow. I don't even know where to begin addressing all the garbage you have posted here in response to what I believe are very valid and important points about gender issues. Saying it's a war with no victors is a cowardly cop out, and of course completely false. Imagine if we had said the same thing about the gender politics women faced 100 years ago. As a woman your age who should know better, I find it sad and disingenuous of you that you would just dismiss something so important. You offered nothing of substance or value, and instead chose to respond with childishness, pettiness and sexism. Not cool. I will be honest and say I'm really surprised and disappointed in you because before now I was a fan of a lot of what you have written here at GAG. I know you can do better than this because I've seen you do it. But now I've seen this side of you and it's just sad. You are not what I though you were. You should probably choose to go anon more often if you are going to be this immature. You're a hypocrite, and I know you are savvy enough to now what I mean by that and that I am right when I say it. I hope you got a chance to read CarpetDenim's comments here because she was 100% spot on. I appreciate that she saved me having to make the points she made, and I wouldn't have done nearly as well anyway. But she is right, and you were wrong. I would welcome it if you want to discuss the actual issues that started this conversation and offer some valid counter arguments, but of course leave out the sexism and pettiness this time. But if you cannot do that, I would ask that you please just don't respond.