Homosexuality and Psychology

Sigmund Frued
Sigmund Frued

I read a question on here and the opinions people posted and I was just baffled on the general mentality.

What surprised me even more is their non-response to facts I am actually stating.

See, as someone who has always been into psychology and as someone queer this topic concerns me a lot.

Now, I have read psychology in French, so I am going to try and translate the technical words in English.

While growing up, the child identifies himself to a parent and consider the second the object of his love.

For a straight girl, this means she will identify to her mum and try to mimic her by wearing makeup and so. She will also consider her dad as the object of her love and wants to win his affection.

Now, if the girl actually believes that she has won her dad over her mum, she will become hysteric.

For a boy, if he wins his mother over his dad, he will have OCD.

To elaborate, OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) is pretty much the result of a deep feeling of guilt that you need to amend for. The guy feels guilty and dirty that he got his mum and feels that he needs to tidy up to not feel dirty anymore.

So to resume, this phase in your life is called Oedipus which is tied to the phallic stage as well.

For girls, it starts at around 3 years old and for guys it starts a bit later.

This stage is the last stage you go through. Before that you have the oral and anal stage.

To try to explain it in a simple example, when you go through stress if you feel you are going to vomit then you had a fixation at the oral stage. If you feel you are going to have diarrhea, then you have problems in the anal stage. This phenomenon is called regression, and it means you go back to a stage where you were an infant…

Those issues are mainly caused by the mother, if she is late to feed her baby or doesn’t do it with good humor it is going to affect him negatively.

This is a paragraph taken from an article:

The Oral Stage

Age Range: Birth to 1 Year

Erogenous Zone: Mouth

During the oral stage, the infant's primary source of interaction occurs through the mouth, so the rooting and sucking reflex is especially important. The mouth is vital for eating, and the infant derives pleasure from oral stimulation through gratifying activities such as tasting and sucking.

Because the infant is entirely dependent upon caretakers (who are responsible for feeding the child), the child also develops a sense of trust and comfort through this oral stimulation.

The primary conflict at this stage is the weaning process--the child must become less dependent upon caretakers. If fixation occurs at this stage, Freud believed the individual would have issues with dependency or aggression. Oral fixation can result in problems with drinking, eating, smoking, or nail-biting.

For the anal phase, it is related to the reaction your parents have when they see and clean your poop.

This is a paragraph taken from an article:

The Anal Stage

Age Range: 1 to 3 years

Erogenous Zone: Bowel and Bladder Control

During the anal stage, Freud believed that the primary focus of the libido was on controlling bladder and bowel movements. The major conflict at this stage is toilet training--the child has to learn to control his or her bodily needs. Developing this control leads to a sense of accomplishment and independence.

According to Freud, success at this stage is dependent upon the way in which parents ​approach toilet training. Parents who utilize praise and rewards for using the toilet at the appropriate time encourage positive outcomes and help children feel capable and productive. Freud believed that positive experiences during this stage served as the basis for people to become competent, productive, and creative adults.

However, not all parents provide the support and encouragement that children need during this stage. Some parents instead punish, ridicule or shame a child for accidents.

According to Freud, inappropriate parental responses can result in negative outcomes. If parents take an approach that is too lenient, Freud suggested that an anal-expulsive personality could develop in which the individual has a messy, wasteful, or destructive personality. If parents are too strict or begin toilet training too early, Freud believed that an anal-retentive personality develops in which the individual is stringent, orderly, rigid, and obsessive.

And finally the last paragraph to be quoted:

The Phallic Stage

Age Range: 3 to 6 Years

Erogenous Zone: Genitals

Freud suggested that during the phallic stage, the primary focus of the libido is on the genitals. At this age, children also begin to discover the differences between males and females.​

Freud also believed that boys begin to view their fathers as a rival for the mother’s affections. The Oedipus complex describes these feelings of wanting to possess the mother and the desire to replace the father. However, the child also fears that he will be punished by the father for these feelings, a fear Freud termed castration anxiety.

The term Electra complex has been used to described a similar set of feelings experienced by young girls. Freud, however, believed that girls instead experience penis envy.

Eventually, the child begins to identify with the same-sex parent as a means of vicariously possessing the other parent. For girls, however, Freud believed that penis envy was never fully resolved and that all women remain somewhat fixated on this stage. Psychologists such as Karen Horney disputed this theory, calling it both inaccurate and demeaning to women. Instead, Horney proposed that men experience feelings of inferiority because they cannot give birth to children, a concept she referred to as womb envy.

Now to resume, based on the last stage homosexuality happens when for instance the girl considers her mum as the object of her desire. There is still no clue as to why this phenomenon happens and homosexuality can’t be treated nor is it considered an illness to be treated.

Example of mental illnesses are bipolarity, schizophrenia, and so on.

You also have personality disorders like OCD, paranoia, hysteric etc…

Note to self that a disorder is different from an illness.

Some topics are still on debate today, for instance autism, and transsexuals -> They are related with the distress of fragmentation.

Homosexuality and Psychology

Finally, you should know that all those stages repeat themselves in puberty.

Reference: https://www.verywellmind.com/freuds-stages-of-psychosexual-development-2795962

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  • Others may not understand it but at the end of the day you do... we may not have concrete scientific proof of certain situations but clearly no one wakes up one morning and chooses this... its simply what your brain wants and you follow it, like the rest of us

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  • Just like volleyball. You begin with a position in the court, but soon you rotate to another position. Then you end up being the server. Yet then you move and begin again.
    The same thing happens at a nude resort, but there you have no clothes on to hide in.
    Maybe it would be better to play checkers.

    • I am not sure I follow you sry😅

  • This seems a bit out there...

    • What do you mean though?

    • The whole failing to get along with one parent leading to some OCD and what not. Although my relationship with both of my parents is okay, I think I've always gotten along better with my mom. Don't feel dirty.

    • Getting along is different then wanting to be her lover. This is how we actually discover our sexuality at a young age and it is totally normal. The role of the parent is to know where to draw the limit. Also everyone has issues while growing up due to their parents. Because our parents aren't perfect and they have definitely screwed us up in certain way. Reason why therapy is actually good because it makes you aware of it, you can be able to distance yourself from their influence to finally make peace with it.

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  • You must know as someone with an interest in psychology then that Freud has been pretty much completely discredited

    • Not true but there are different theories that contradict themselves. One of the critics is his own daughter. You even have 2 types of therapy psychoanalyst and cognitive. And in the end he is the father of psychoanalysis.

    • If you go yo the Harvard Psychology department and talk like freud is still relevant you get laughed at. I know because my school Psychologist had a PHD from Harvard

    • Well good for him. But from what I read and heard and experienced since I have been i therapy is that one, his theories weren't discedited but more his form of therapy. People in the states go through CBT more. Some of his theories have even been expanded by people like jacques lacan or melanie klein etc... Also finay you can't really discredit his work when his theories still affect the works of a lot if new theorists.

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  • Sorry, I didn't read all of it, just the first part - but which bit is the question about homosexuality?
    The way I know oedipus/electra complex RESOLVED is by winning the opposite sex parent over (though you are right that there is a feeling of guilt involved - but I believe the whole thing gets to a healthy state when you are forgiven by the same-sex parent, which also explains why children with just one parent regularly believe they are doing something 'wrong' while dating/winning the opposite sex over (i. e. taking daddy away from mom, or mom away from dad/some other authority figure).

  • Most male gays were abused as a child by men. Makes one almost wonder if the first real sexual experience one has defines the rest of their life? It would make a good reason to wait for marriage to have sex, that's for sure. Too bad this is too taboo to actually have studied and put out to people as my common sense and personal experience tend to make me think its true.

    • *Most male gays were abused as a child by men.* Should be easy to prove.

  • Have Freud's theories not been either discredited or debunked?

    • Noo some don't follow him but others do

    • That's not really responding to what I said.

    • I really don't have the patience to repeat my arguments Just scroll down to the comment section

  • Freud is pseudo science, period. Most of his stuff has been disproven. Psycho analysis can't even be proven how it works, its not scientific.

    • all of psychology can't be proven scientifically anw XD it is based on experience and trials. It is not physics

    • It can be helped with neurochemistry.

  • Thanks for information

  • I wasn't aware that homosexuality was psychologically evaluated that much.

  • Vous parlez Français? Si oui pouvez vous l expliquer en gros ce que vous dites dans votre question? Je ne parle pas assez bien anglais pour tout comprendre😅

    • oui bien sure, en bref je suis entrain de montrer le lien entre la psychologie et l'homosexualite. L'orientation sexuelle commence au stade d'oedipe. L'enfant s'identifie a un parent, et considere l'autre comme objet d'amour. L'homosexuel par exemple prend son pere comme objet d'amour et essaye de gagner son affection. Il va y avoir une rivalite entre lui et sa mere meme.

    • Au merci Beaucoup, et tout ça ce passerais au niveau inconscient?

    • Oui c'est pas un choix conscient que quelqu'un fait

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