
Please read the whole take and not just the title before you reply, if it's too long then just move along to the next post... Thank you π
This Mytake is as a result of a recent question I posted in response to a reply I saw on a post where a male user told a female user if she jogs in leggings he wouldn't be shocked to hear she was the next jogger to be raped and murdered...
Why Do People Still Insist On Blaming Rape On The Way A Woman Dresses?
And some of the replies, the myths and misinformation people have about rape and sexual assault..
Which not only impacts victims and survivors of abuse, it also impacts what young people believe.... The reply that disturbed me the most was from a17 year old Female that said:
"what they wear depends if they want to get raped its their problem and wear decent clothes if you don't want to get raped"..
Even though the person in this video was in fact also 17 when she was raped wearing joggers and a jacket
We need to better educate people about the truth about sexual violence, how can people even think you're helping people protect themselves from being a victim if you're using myths and not true facts....

All myths and facts used in this take were from the following site:
https://www.ourresilience.org/what-you-need-to-know/myths-and-facts/
*Myth: Sexual assault is an act of lust and passion that canβt be controlled.
*Fact: Sexual assault is about power and control and is not motivated by sexual gratification
We need to educate that it's about power and control, and what you wear has less to do with becoming a victim of rape. Perpetrators are more likely to select victims they perceive as more passive or weak

The next two myths and facts further show that a lot of times perpetrators are more likely to go after more weak victims than scantily clad females:
*Myth: People with disabilities are at low risk for sexual assault.
*Fact: People with disabilities are victims of sexual assault twice as much as people without disabilities.
*Myth: If a parent teaches a child to stay away from strangers they wonβt get raped.
*Fact: 60% of child sexual abuse cases are perpetrated by someone the child knows outside the family, and 30% are assaulted by family
*Myth: Wearing revealing clothing, behaving provocatively, or drinking a lot means the victim was βasking for itβ.
*Fact: The perpetrator selects the victim- the victimβs behavior or clothing choices do not mean that they are consenting to sexual activity

As previously stated, not all victims of sexual violence are scantily clad drunk women walking alone down dark alleys π
*Myth: Sexual assaults most often occur in public or outdoors.
*Fact: 55% of rape or sexual assault victimizations occur at or near the victimβs home, and 12% occur at or near the home of a friend, relative, or acquaintance
This myth I feel is important because some men on here think men's rape is not talked about enough or people care less if a man is raped.
And if you watched the above video, you would see that men's clothing was part of the rape victims display
Myth: Men are not victims of sexual violence.
Fact: 1.5% of all men have been raped and 47% of bisexual men have experienced some form of unwanted sexual contact in their lifetime.

No rape is less important than the next whether it's a man, woman, child, elderly or disabled... Noone should have to go through rape and noone should get blamed by their gender, way of dress, sexual orientation...
The next myth is because people need to know that I'm not saying some sexual violence can't be prevented, it's the way people go about it... Teach real facts, not myths, educate yourself before trying to tell others how best to protect themselves....
* Myth: There is nothing we can do to prevent sexual violence.
*Fact: There are many ways you can help prevent sexual violence including intervening as a bystander to protect someone who may be at risk.
There are a few more myths and facts you can read from the above link, but I'm going to close with this last one because there's so much of this on this site and others
*Myth: A lot of victims lie about being raped or give false reports.
Fact: Only 2-8% of rapes are falsely reported, the same percentage as for other felonies

If you take anything away from this take I hope it's that 1-just because it's the internet, it's not okay to spread false information as fact...2-Be more mindful of who may be reading what you say, it may be a victim of sexual violence, it may be an impressionable young male or female being influenced by falsehoods they see on online forums... And lastly, this take or the topic of sexual violence is not about feminists, it's about a crime that shouldn't happen, but it does, so people not only need to know how to protect themselves, they need REAL truth..... Don't use gender divide or issues with feminists to blame or shame any victims of sexual violence whether it be a boy/ Man, girl/woman, elderly, disabled or Gay/lesbian/bi-sexual/transgender...
Nobody asks for or deserves sexual violence.....
As always, thanks for reading π
"Brainsbeforebeauty"π
What Girls & Guys Said
621This happened around 1:30 PM so yep daytime!
I'm very sorry you went through that. I appreciate you sharing that, people need to see it really does happen. You or nothing you did or write caused anything. The only person to blame is the horrible animal that did that. And you're not just a victim. You're a survivor πππΌ
*wore not write excuse typo, π
Thank you! And the typo is fine happens to me too!
When I turned the guy in, turned out he was a cop in my town ( I did not know that), what happened? I got criminally charged, still going through court hearings and this happened on 2017! :'(
Criminals charged with what?
I got charged with false reporting, I tried to get a PFA then got charged with perjury!
That's bad and sorry to hear about such terrible thing happening to you...
A cop doesn't have any privilege if he's a rapist, he will be judged and condemned just like anyone and if not more!
If it turns out that a woman made a false accusation about a cop, she will be punished and will pay the price a lot more than doing it for a regular citizen cause a cop is a man of the law and you just cannot draw this ugly picture about him if it's not real, since a lot of people have trust in him and have faith in him and he represents his country and it's laws...
In the end a rapist is a rapist no matter who he or she is and no matter what position they hold!
No... Victims can't lie about having been raped, because if they weren't, then they wouldn't be a "victim".
So no need to even bring up the stats, the statement disproves itself.
But in all seriousness, considering the nature of rape as a crime and the fact that the absolute majority of all reported cases end up in a stalemate since it's very difficult to prove one way or the other, it's practically impossible to know the exact number. How many of the unsolved cases were false accusations and how many were valid? The actual number, for all we know, could be all the way down at 0,5 % or it could be as high as 20 %.
The problem arises from the fact that the public feels the need to play judge. Whenever a new case is reported, half of the population will believe it without question and go after the accused with pitchforks, and the other half will defend the accused to every extent and automatically assume that the accuser is lying. Just leave it to the court. You don't know the story, you are not involved, you don't have all the facts, so it's not up to you to decide the validity of a claim like that.
Exactly!!! Well said!!!
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I had a friend once who had his whole life destroyed because he rejected a woman's advances. She accused him of rape and without any evidence, lost his job, his social life and most of his friends and even his family turned on him, taking her side.
When it was found out she lied about the whole thing, he didn't get his job back, all the friends and family that turned their back on him were all apologetic but he wasn't having any of it any of it.
Was she ever punished for lying? No. Because apparently if you're a woman you have the privilege to not face consequences for wasting the time of law enforcement and destroying an innocent mans life. So whenever I hear these feminists telling men to "check their privilege", all I can do is laugh because I know how hypocritical and full of shit they all are.
First read again
Myth: A lot of victims lie about being raped or give false reports.
Fact: Only 2-8% of rapes are falsely reported, the same percentage as for other felonies
You missed the KEY word a lot.. Norone said it didn't happen. But it doesn't happen as often as it's represented by people on line. And those weren't MY words, I didn't make these percentages up. They're percentages or reported false allegations
I don't approve, support, condone anyone falsely accusing someone and those that do should be criminally charged. And for you to say they never are isn't true. There are cases where the woman was charged.
And I'm no feminist. So please know what you're talking about before throwing out assumptions. Nowhere in this take did it say that a man's life being ruined by a lie is not devastating. But the myth people spread on here is all a woman has to do is lie about a rape and the man is immediately charged, jailed and that is not always the case. Not all men are rapists nor should they be treated like they are just like not all women are liars and will lie about being raped nor should they be treated like they are
"Because apparently if you're a woman you have the privilege to not face consequences for wasting the time of law enforcement and destroying an innocent mans life."
apnews.com/.../9ef0083d8b524fdf9aa71e4d91d5433f
www.nbcnewyork.com/.../
www.14news.com/.../
qz.com/.../
Oh and nowhere in this take did I tell men to check their privilege now did Iπ€ this was to clear up myths, falsehoods about rape and sexual violence which included boy/make victims of rape as well as girls, women.
And the untruths about false rape allegations. Didn't say they DON'T happen, but people are misrepresenting the truth about it, like you did with your claim women don't ever get charged for it, yet those links show that to be a false statement. There's also more cases than just those
The point you missed about this take, is that when people spread falsehoods, it's more detrimental to the people that actually are victims of these crimes...
They minds are made up and they will never see things any differently
You can say that again!! But I could give two shirts about them people. If it helps one person hello better defend themselves, or one person know that not everyone thinks it's their fault if something bad happened to them, then it was worth it to me
*help
I agree.
Just remember those ignorant people are not worth arguing with, cuz they just want to argue and spew hate.
And they can but if they come back with false claims, I will refute them π if people always back down or ignore, then the real issues never go away, do they π€·πΌββοΈ
Exactly!! Sad but true
*Fact: Sexual assault is about power and control and is not motivated by sexual gratification"
How is this known tho? I'm genuinely asking because I find this hard to believe.
Wouldn't it be the same way they analyze what makes people commit murder or how they test and analyze any behavior traits or patterns. Or how they diagnose mental illness?
I don't know. That's what I'm asking lol. I find it hard to believe that sexual gratification doesn't play a part.
Because you're thinking like a man. Not like a rapist would think.
Hey @jazzygirl0826, there's something I want to ask to you. Can you follow me back so that I can pm you, you can unfollow me later
Sorry they happened. It takes courage to share that. Shows you're a survivor π
<3 <3 <3
Thanks! Even though of course there's the idiots that don't like their "myths" being debunked so much easier to try to label me a "feminist" ππ Even though this take was because when people lie it can be very detrimental to real victims of crimes, of which Affects both MEN and WOMEN...
I get sexual violence happens to both, but the men who only mention women when rape comes up, umm they're more guilty of gender divide than me... Cuz it can and does happen to little boys as well as little girls, teenage boys as well as teenage girls, men and women n.. don't get how saying that makes me a feminist π€ lololol
Feminists: "Equality! Everyone has the right to be raped!" Can you imagine? XD
The myth that frustrates me most is that Men can't be raped. With that mentality they won't or don't dare to find much needed support. A friend and I used to watch some police series and one of episodes was about such a rape case, and he found it weird. It's not that he refused to believed it, but he was surprised that it happened. How it doesn't cross people's mind that it can happen, that it's always going to be a guy, how men can't get raped, is what pisses me off. It should be taken seriously like the other cases
To the first part, π€£π€£π€£
To the second, I agree π― the more people spout that men can't be raped, or say a "real" man can't get raped how weak are you, keeps more victims from reporting it..
Back in my days, some people would say if a guy got raped by a guy he must of really wanted it cuz if he didn't he should of been able to defend himself, or he must be secretly gay... And that was the most horrible shit I heard... Umm hello, someone can just as easily slip something in a man's drunk as a female's... Or knock em out and they come to being raped... Little boys can be abducted just as easily as little girls... Rape is rape no matter WHAT gender you are, and no man or woman or child should have to suffer through that... But if they do, no man, woman or child should be made to feel shame or blame for it... The shame or blame only belongs on the RAPIST o or PREDATOR...
It's not 2-8%. This is more feminist junk.
This is feminism circa 2015.
Slam out tid bids of "info" that require excessive effort to unpack. Declare confidently that they are facts. Gloss over the sources and never back down. Keep talking and stay on the attack so they can't ask questions and so that others can't hear anything else. Lace in accusations to keep them scared. Continue until they are exhausted and give up.
Feels almost nostalgic.
Really? I provided links and if you'd a looked at the link, you'd a saw where the sources of those statistics came from, and rape isn't about feminist, how is that when boys and men get raped too? And not only men are predators, women can be too... So get out of here with that gender shit... You people are so caught up in that gender shit, feminist crap you turn everything into that.
Gtfu,
"I provided links and if you'd a looked at the link, you'd a saw where the sources of those statistics came from"
I saw the sources, they are selected by ideological bias. For example, people who want to declare that women don't lie about rape firstly like to round numbers like 2-8% to be treated as if it's 0%, nevermind that it's actually 2-10% in the paper. And more importantly, the stipulation that is neglected is that the 2-10% is *provably or admittedly false* cases. Meaning those are the ones be absolutely *know* are fake, they do not represent the true number of false claims. If you reference other material that does try to address the accusations that appear false but can't be 100% verified the number shoots up to like 40%.
So acting like 2-10% is representative of the problem is to be deceptive.
Everyone should make sure to read their sources before committing to a conclusion.
"rape isn't about feminist, how is that when boys and men get raped too"
Oh but *manipulating* people using the topic of rape is very much a feminist thing.
"And not only men are predators, women can be too... So get out of here with that gender shit... "
I never said anything like that, so no, YOU get out of here with YOUR gender assumptions.
I don't have an issue understanding that men can be raped or that women can be perpetrators.
YOU are the one caught up in the idea that people don't understand that. You are talking about your own hangups, not mine.
Whatever, I don't have hang ups. Apparently you do... Why so triggered about an informational take. That was not attacking men. It was about misinformation.
And then too, false rape allegations are not the only thing misreported. How many ACTUAL rape cases go unreported? LOTS So actually, those numbers would be way higher. Especially for Male victims, because society makes it harder for males to feel comfortable reporting rape... And people spouting stupid shit on the internet don't help that, it makes it worse... But thanks for your reply... Have a nice day π
βWhy so triggered about an informational take.β
Because itβs misinformation. Should we not care about misinformation?
βIt was about misinformation.β
Youβre offering mis formation to fight things that you are misinformed on.
βHow many ACTUAL rape cases go unreported? LOTS So actually, those numbers would be way higher.β
And? So what? Thatβs not the information we are talking about. Thatβs a deflection.
It doesnβt excuse your contribution to misinformation.
Untrue! But okay agree to disagree
You calling it misinformation don't make it true... I don't see you providing anything to back up what you say, why is that? Why out of everything discussed in this take the only thing some men mentioned, was the false allegation myth π€ might that be cuz these the same men spreading false assumptions online. Telling people that a woman can just say she was raped and the guy will get arrested, jailed... UNTRUE... Saying women never get charged or jailed for making false allegations AGAIN UNTRUE... Do I think they should get stricter sentences, YES I DO but then so should the RAPISTS that get let out to reoffend.
If you would spend the time to read up on it more, maybe you would understand that they say the more falsehoods spread about false allegations, the harder it makes for them to weed out/investigate the actual false allegations...
βYou calling it misinformation don't make it trueβ
I know. Itβs your source that makes it untrue.
βI don't see you providing anything to back up what you say, why is that?β
Because youβre blind.
I referenced your own source.
βWhy out of everything discussed in this take the only thing some men mentioned, was the false allegation mythβ
I think itβs all pretty classic feminist manipulation. The false allegations one was just the example I picked out.
βTelling people that a woman can just say she was raped and the guy will get arrested, jailed... UNTRUE... Saying women never get charged or jailed for making false allegations AGAIN UNTRUE...β
Thatβs you making a strawman argument.
βIf you would spend the time to read up on it more,β
Iβm the one who actually read a source before commenting on it, soβ¦ noβ¦. u.
βthey say the more falsehoods spread about false allegations, the harder it makes for them to weed out/investigate the actual false allegationsβ
Well you should stop spreading misinformation then.
www.avoidjail.net/.../
I'm not the one doing so... But again agree to disagree. πππ
apnews.com/.../9ef0083d8b524fdf9aa71e4d91d5433f
www.military.com/.../...er-first-false-report.html
That's just to show some women do get charged, so when these guys say they don't, who's spreading false info π€ there's more cases, but think you get the point π€
Thatβs not an βagree to disagreeβ situation. I have a source, you do not.
Why are you taking to me about shit other guys might have said? Make the argument to them not me.
Besides, women do get more lenience *in general*. You are defining it as *all* instead of *some* is a straw man.
Bye now π
No need to get salty about it.
How could any person get in that frame of mind.
I taught myself at an early age to pay attention to what girls do, say, and think.
I learned how to seduce. The quickest way to get in a girls pantie is through her head.
This is more to clear up the myths about when where how and why rape happens.
And if it helps even one person to better protect themselves, then π€·πΌββοΈ
And I'm wide awake, but thank you
My perspective is that if the penalty is harsh enough it will inhibit some of the crime taking place. There will always be some that don't care about the consequences though.
While I agree with all of this I'd also like to see those who falsely accuse rape, that when found out they pay the same price as the falsely accused. DNA evidence has slowly being used to review old cases and there are guys rotting away in n prison for crimes they didn't commit. Their whole lives stolen as well.
Just to reiterate, I agree with everything you posted AND I'd like to see false accusers pay just as high a price.
I would agree. I've never disputed that false rape allegations are wrong and I fully support those guilty of that being charged.. I just don't like when some men user that to misrepresent how often that happens or to accuse all women as liars of rape or would do that just to get back at a men. I sure as hell would never do that and no female I ever knew would either and if they did I'd probably of beat their ass cuz it affects the men they lie about but it also had negative consequences for actual victims of rape
Nailed it... you're spot on.
Thanks π now if my typing out swyping was π€¦πΌββοΈπ€¦πΌββοΈ excuse the Swype typos lolol
And to confirm in their minds the validity of said conservative beliefs, they point to the clothing a victim was wearing, and say "ha! See? Revealing clothing is morally wrong, and here are the results of wearing said clothing."
The same goes with gays and trans people. Those with conservative beliefs need to confirm their beliefs by denying facts and clinging to what they believe.
They think revealing clothing and LGBT people are a sign if a degrading society. And will twist everything in reality to fit that belief.
They aren't even victim shaming. It goes deeper than that. I'm sure they feel bad for the victim. But if you dont see where they are coming from than you can't properly understand why they say what they say.
It doesn't matter why they say it if what they're saying is wrong though... And it's damaging to victims who report less rapes because of it as well as teaching falsehoods to youth who would better be served knowing real truth to better protect themselves from becoming a victim of sexual violence... But when people misstate how often people lie about rape, it affects victims who are afterward they won't be believed, and whether that's people's intentions or not, the reality is the more lies and myths are out our there, the more RAPISTS that go free to further victimize people
*afraid not afterward
It does matter. Because it allows you to understand your enemy so to speak. If you understand why they say what they say, you can tailor your message in a better way.
It's not wise to not seek to understand your enemy. Seek to understand, then to be understood, or so they say. It helps to know the truth just as you wish for them to know the truth.
If the goal is to show them the truth than you have to appeal to their values and beliefs. If you can't do that because you don't understand them, it is harder for the message you're trying to convey to get across.
They see their view as truth. And so they will say what they will say, because they believe something different and what they believe is not based on facts. It's based on cultural values that they do not want to let go of.
Saying "your comments are harmful doesn't phase them. Because they believe their comments are going to help other people to be careful in how they dress and thus prevent more. rapes. Or so they want to believe obviously. Just stating facts isn't good enough most of the time. It just doesn't work like that. People dont care about facts when the facts go against their values. You have to attack the values and demonstrate understanding of the values so that you can properly deconstruct them.
Well that's how I see it.
And lastly, in the same way you fear to acknowledge and understand their views, they fear to acknowledge yours as well. They would rather ignore you, just like you would rather ignore them.
But when you show them you understand what they believe and their perspective, you force them to have to reckon with the fact that not only do you understand them, yet still disagree. It makes it harder to avoid another persons view when they demonstrate to you that they understand you.
I did try that... That's why I mentioned about gay/lesbian/transgender because I know there's people that think that's a sin so they think that's God's way of punishing them..
The MGTOW guys that hate women will blame women because they think it shows that the feminist movement gives women weaker morals so they either say it's the woman's fault for thinking she can dress any way she wants and if she gets raped, she was asking for it or they'll say women are lying about rape to further paint men as evil and all rapists...
People are afraid to question their beliefs. If you challenge them directly and honestly, it shows how truly how afriad they are. And in my head, helps you more to see whether that person is open to having their minds changed.
If facts could have changed their minds, they would have by now. They know the statistics. They've all had them shown to them over and over and over and over again.
I think it helps you to see how people are afraid to change their views. And that in and of itself is empowering. Especially for the victim who feels attacked by their comments.
Oh I agree, even though in my previous post I linked two pictures of outfits worn by people at the time of their rape and two videos, one male user who wants to insist women wouldn't get raped if they didn't dress provacatively paid no attention to real proof but rather believed Another users images of women in tight revealing dresses even though those were just generic images found online and not actual rape victims π€·πΌββοΈ so obviously he wants to believe anything other than the truth even when supported by facts and evidence
Exactly lol. The lengths people will go to avoid challenging their beliefs is amazing lol. And everyone does it. Nobody is exempt. That's just the way it is I guess lol.
But i think over time some do change their beliefs. Slowly. It's never as fast as you want it to be though.
This is what I meant in a different question you asked recently, when I mentioned "feeding the monkeys" :
" a male user told a female user if she jogs in leggings he wouldn't be shocked to hear she was the next jogger to be raped and murdered..."
Whenever I respond to shit like that, it feels like I'm in front of the monkey cage at the zoo and feeding the monkeys, who in turn show their appreciation by masturbating. Guys spewing crap like his answer out of their mouths (penis) amounts to the same thing, don't you think?
Only if you think of that idiot, which I don't
I think if the young impressionable people who get brainwashed into believing lies if they keep saying the same lies spread around they start to believe it's true...
I don't really give at if people like what I say or do on here... I'm not going to stop saying what I have to say or being me... People just don't like when their BULLSHIT is debunked, but then maybe they should stop spreading it so thick, and then no worries right π€·πΌββοΈ
*seeing
Okay rape is not about feminists and I'm not a feminist... What does makes being raped have to do with feminists... You who says you're in the mental health field of all people should get that rapists and criminals don't always think rationally like normal people... But to admit that, lessens the bias you have against women and one less thing to blame women for our paint all women as liars...
Oh and also the first myth and fact this was the source which if you'd a chicken the link you'd a saw
Groth, A., Burgess, W., & Holmstrom, L. Rape: Power, anger, and sexuality. American Journal of Psychiatry, 134(11), 1239-43. Pubmed. gov
So then is all Psychiatry feminist propaganda then π€ so you're refuting the findings from your own profession π€
I'm aware of that article. I don't have to agree with it.
Let's agree to disagree about this, ok? I don't want to fight with you.
But you can't disagree without accusing people of things? I'm not s feminist. I'm sick of you men on here thinking anytime a female disagrees on here with a make is okay to falsely label her something she's not... Don't call me things I'm not, this take is not feminist propaganda, you can say that all you want, don't make it any more true! This covered rape of ALL victims, men women and children, so again π€·πΌββοΈ I'm not going to keep putting up with bs insults anytime someone disagrees... You should of started with the agree to disagree. That would of been more respectful.π€·πΌββοΈ
I wasn't accusing you personally of anything and I'm sorry if you took it that way. I know you're not a feminist we've talked too much for me to believe that. I simply was saying that I've heard all of the statistics you quoted before and they've usually come from feminists. Let's let this one just go okay?
You say let it go as still making false statements though, these statistics and percentages came from phycologists,
The US Department of Justice and The National Child Traumatic Stress Network
You are bringing your issues with feminists to a post that had nothing to do with feminists... But don't you see that's the whole issue and why takes like this pop up.
All people think about these days is their own hatred, bias and agendas in trying to prove the other gender wrong or bad by any means including spreading false information, not even caring what affect that can have on real victims or if it helps real criminals get away with crimes..
I'm sorry if you have an issue with women
I'm sorry if you have an Issue with feminists.
I don't like when feminists take things to the extreme and paint all men as bad or rapists.
But to say real facts and statistics is just feminist propaganda is where the line gets crossed.
I think there are serious questions regarding some of those statistics. They often get quoted just as you've done here, but hardly anybody looks at the foundations for them. I think the foundations for some of them are very shaky at best
I think I should be able to disagree with the data you've posted without you taking it personally. My critique of it which was very mild actually was not meant to be personal in any way and I hope you understand that. As I said before I don't want to fight about this. You have your point of view which are completely entitled to and I have my point of view which I'm also entitled to. My comments about feminists were perhaps poorly stated but my experience in the past has been that the people that tend to distort statistics are in fact feminists. That doesn't mean you're one of them.
You thinking that don't make it fact. So you know more than the people rape gets reported to. The people that work with victims of crime. The police, the courts?
Just because facts go against what you WANT to believe doesn't give you the right to say they're false. Are there some inaccuracies, of course, because not all crimes get reported. Wonder why, when people are so busy blaming victims, it makes people less likely to report a crime.
What message do you think a young girl reading all the bs people post online about how all women lie about Rape, or she shouldn't of dressed that way, she shouldn't of been drinking, she got was she deserved for not being careful will get? That if she gets raped, people will say she is lying or she deserved it. Or the young boy that gets raped, when people say men can't get raped, or being raped by a guy makes you gay, will he be afraid to report it?
I'm sorry but again, you bring in the profession you say you are, I'd think you if all people would understand that. Would care about the mental health of real victims more than your hatred of women or feminists.
I'm finding it difficult to reason with you. You are accusing me of things that are simply n. ot true. I don't hate women. I will admit to disliking feminists but that is because of the way they treat men, and I am a man. I am not blaming victims for anything. I think that statistics sometimes get distorted and exaggerated for political reasons. I am not BLAMING YOU FOR ANYTHING.
What will it take to make peace with you?
Did I say you were blaming me for anything? But you did bring up feminist right away which I still fail to get how this is a gender thing.. Rape don't just happen to women, rape happens to men as well this was about any rape or sexual violence that happens to anyone not just women... And I didn't "accuse" you of anything, I said IF you do, but I don't just say that because of this thread, but because of the negative things you've said about women on other posts not just this one... But don't you see, that when you lump all women as the same, you're doing the same thing to women that feminists do to men, men saying all women lie, all women this or all women that is just as sexist as when feminists do that to men... And just because one does it, doesn't make it okay for the other to. Just because some men bash all women, I don't resort to bashing all men, because it would be wrong, untrue, and not right to ask the great men out there... And I have no issue with you personally, nor did I make it that way... I've said nothing hateful, derogatory to you... I have respectfully argued my point.. And I did agree the statistics can't always be factual, but again if people would stop trying to make people feel shame or responsible for what happens to them, maybe more people would report sick crimes and the statistics would be more factual... But I still out more stock in statistics then claims on the internet without any proof, you know there's catfish and people that lie all the time in the internet right π€
My feelings regarding women are my own and don't extend to others. I will admit that I am not always happy about the way some women behave, and if you wish, I will be more than willing to expound on the origins of that in private, but not publicly. That said, I will tell you publicly that I completely lost my daughter due to my ex being mentally ill, and a biased, openly feminist Judge who did everything she could to make sure I would never see my child again, without any reason that I am aware of. I couldn't appeal her ruling because I would have needed $ 50,000 to do that and didn't have it. Between the Judge and my ex, I had no chance nor did my daughter. You cannot reasonably expect that this experience would have no effect on me.
I have no respect for women whi wears sh*tty slutty outfita and in my eyes they are just a bunch of cheap sexual objects...
I'm speaking from experience and i know how women thinks, the majority of them does something and when they are faced with the truth, they just deny it and make false claims!
I'm sure that you know these facts too miss brains muffins...
Oh I agree it can and does happen... But not too the percentage claimed on here...
But one false allegation is one too many the same as one rape is one too many. .
And I don't like to see women dress provacatively, and I agree that they open themselves up for more attention on just a sexual level than for their personality or mind, but that doesn't mean I'll ever say or someone if anyone saying they were asking for it because that's bull... I may not like it, you may not like it, so then I don't dress that way, and then you don't date women that dress that way... Just because someone doesn't approve of something doesn't justify them victim blaming someone
100% agree with you miss brains muffins π
A woman is more than just a body for sex, a woman is a person and love ain't only sexual, love means loving you for who you are, the way you speak, the way you act and the way you think, love is loving your whole presence and that makes an eternal marriage and since this generation is brought up wrong and see things only from a sexual way, it's causing the majority of marriages to end up in divorce or a boyfriend leaving his girlfriend cause he got what he wants which is SEX, i heard a lot of guys saying, what more can she gives, time to switch this girl, he got what he wants and bow he's bored!
I feed sad when i hear guys talking trash about women and this ugly behavior makes women wants revenge from men, one hit from here and on hit from there, made men and women hate each other and compete with eachother while the fact is that god created us to complete each other, take care of each other and love each other...
Right!
Thanks π
Thank you ππ€
For example... if a guy is hot enough, or famous, or rich enough... and he grabs a girl's ass and tells her to come to his hotel room, where he gets her drunk and fucks her... its generally acceptable to the girl, and she is more likely to be hoping to see him again.
If the same thing happens but she thinks he is undesirable, and nothing else changes about the situation, she is way more likely to accuse him of being a creep.
For example.. if Christian Gray in 50 Shades of Gray was a poor black guy from the streets... it would be a criminal minds episode instead of a best selling book and movie.
That is your assumption not fact. You do know the difference right?
Ya. But do you disagree?
Yes I do... See it's damned if so and damned if don't... And the females that do say they were raped or assaulted by rich or famous guys, how many are accused of lying to get money out of them. Did you ever think maybe that's why some women don't report those cases, because they don't want to get dragged though the mud and accused of lying, being put on trial not only by the courts but also by the public π€
See nowadays the victims are blamed more than the actual perpetrators π€·πΌββοΈ
I disagree. I think that was true before Me2. Not anymore.
You thinking something does not make it fact... And other people's claims without factual evidence to support what they're saying is also not fact. People user fake claims they see on the internet to further support their beliefs. Just because that's what people say on the internet, that's more believable than actual statistics? No people don't want to know the real truth, so they ignore proof that good against what they want to believe
And if my grandmother had wheels she would be a motorcycle.
And if you're Grandma got raped? Would you blame it on the way she was dressed? Or think she was lying? Would you be okay if other people said that about her or to her. Or any member of your family?
Did I say it was because of how she was dressed? I didn't say anything like that. You are conflating what I said because you have no way to refute it.
Not true. And refute what? Your fake beliefs? But see I already did show FACTUAL evidence that shows the percentage of false rape allegations... Where's the evidence to back up the claims you're making?
and I donβt necessarily agree with you about all your statistics, for one reason you are talking to a global community, the culture of which are very different. Some of the places that people live are very dangerous. So not telling a woman to walk around outside after dark is a very useful piece of advice. Personally I donβt think you are educated well enough to try and tell others what to believe or not to believe about such a contentious subject. Rape is terrible thatβs all you need to be telling others. And maybe listening and not judging people who tell you their stories, thatβs probably good advice too.
Excuse me I didn't make up those myths and facts... They are actual findings, so it's not my intelligence your insulting. And nowhere did I say don't tell people it's safe to walk alone at night. It said don't act like all rape happens in dark alleys because it's not true! Rape can happen anywhere at any time. Don't personally insult me or my level of education, because I will not put up with petty insults. You're insulting me and not the men who are saying that it's what a woman wears why she gets raped. That's what's intelligence you should be questioning. I've provided links, videos. So all those people are wrong but you people on the internet spreading fake claims with no proof just assumptions are right? So you know more than rape counselors, police, doctors and nurses that examine resist victims and document what they were wearing, where and how they got raped?
Have another drink brainy and relax. And sleep it off. Iβm not interested in arguing with you about your resources, and where you go you info, itβs just not practical. They need to discuss where they got their sample population from for this study.
Don't tell anyone what to do. Period. You can suggest things and offer them ideas on how to keep safe, but don't tell anyone to do anything.
I think to say OP is uneducated based off of data that has been researched and peer reviewed is a little silly, even if you disagree with it.
I'm done here... Where is any evidence of what you or anyone else is saying? I haven't seen any... You don't believe my research do your own. Look at actual reports from arrests, actual reports of what victims were wearing not what people say on social media sites. Talk to me again when you can do so without insults or insinuating I'm drunk, or need a drink because you don't want to believe actual facts of they don't agree with the negative biases thrown around carelessly on the internet.. But have a good night π
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
I think this is a useful start, rather than making any outlandish, or potentially unreliable statement about why people get raped, all is Iβm saying is this is too complex a topic. I think the scientific community would be on the fence too, personally I feel sorry for the people that came forward and immortalised that experience in such an art installation. Manetβs Olympia was provocative enough for me. I think some of them will regret doing it in the future.
All that link showed was that the reporting of rape cases can be misconstrued. Nowhere in that link you provided did it say anything about why someone is raped, or about what they were wearing our where they were raped. Nothing in there refuted or proceed false anything listed in this take.
I agree rape is a very complex issue, so to see people in the internet tell people that if they didn't wear provacative clothes they wouldn't get raped, or if they drink and get raped they were asking for it is ridiculous and not true. There's are way more complex reasons that rape happens and it is always the fault of the rapist...
*proved not proceeded
And also,
"And maybe listening and not judging people who tell you their stories, thatβs probably good advice too."π€π€?
Where the hell did I do that... Noone told actual stories except for one that agreed rape can happen anywhere carry it was her family member and I sure the hell didn't not listen or be supportive. Oh and the make user that said he was raped and then told a14 year old user that he hoped she got raped... No real rape victim would ever say that to another person and No I don't support a29 something make telling a teenage girl he hopes she gets raped do I removed/ reported that reply. Disagree with me, but don't make accusations about me that aren't true. Thank you;
Thatβs because I donβt care what people were wearing, that is probably not what Iβm interested in understanding, furthermore I agree with you that what people are wearing makes little difference in rape cases. But it does emphasis that the definition of rape comes in many themes, and the hat people are wearing does not seem to be one of those, so these people seem to me to have put themselves out on display for no real reason, besides The only people who say shit like she deserved it because her dress was short, are generally middle eastern, they got a different culture over there, they still living in the 16th century. Brainy you seriously got to get a life, stop listening to every horrible thing these trolls and evil little shits on sites like this say about everything.
See but people don't get people do listen and believe the garbage... Where do you think some people get there misguided votes from, it's not always from their life it's from made up bullshit they read on the internet and take as fact or truth. And don't worry about me and my life, I'm good worry about yours. I don't believe shit people say on the internet, because most of it is made up of of hatred, bias and trying to paint the opposite gender as bad because of their own agenda... But again younger impressionable users might. Why people should be more careful with what they say in public forums. And people shouldn't resort to insults or try to come at their intelligence. That's a tactic people user to try to discredit the validity of what someone is saying. One I wouldn't of expected you to resort to, but π€·πΌββοΈ
Yes, keep filtering out the garbage. Itβs good to be passionate about a topic, keep up the goodwork, and try not to let this little misunderstanding come between what is generally pleasant dialogue.
Misunderstanding? You insulted my level of education, since when are insults misunderstandings? But I accept your apology for the unfounded insults
Hahaha. Thanks
ππ lol
@monkeynutts I'm ngl, you look absolutely triggered.
Anyway, the point you made about generally middle eatern-ers telling women to cover up is a little silly I think. Maybe you're in a different area than I am, but I hear those things pretty often. From women and men. Can you have a discussion without sounding like a toddler please?
Sorry π€·πΌββοΈπ€
It's not a bad thing. Some people don't know the facts. And if even one person learns something it was worth it. To me sexual abuse is the worst kind.
Right!! That's what I said... I don't care about the insults I've gotten, the mad people that don't want to see their bullshit debunked. It ain't for/about them, it's about people that go through horrible abuses, and yeah if it reaches/helps just one person, that matters more than any insults disagrees out by angry bitter people π€·πΌββοΈ
And after sexual abuse is horrible because sometimes it goes on for years and years
*dishes
*Agree dang swiping mistakes lololol
People are bashing you for this? It's just factual information :|
Yeah but it's info that goes against what they say is truth..
Thanks! But you're not going to call me a feminist too ππ I'm so tired of people throwing that weird around anytime a make and female don't agree, she must be a feminist. Sorry, lol but geeshπ€¦πΌββοΈ lol
*word lol my phone hates me π€ͺ
Feminists unite!!! π
Smartass, lolol wouldn't you be called more a white Knight or cuck or simp if you agree with a female πππ at least on here π€·πΌββοΈπ€ͺ
I am proud of being a true feminist. π
But I'm not a feminist not it's rape about feminist because not all rape victims are females and not all perpetrators are males
People just try to turn everything on here into a gender war π€·πΌββοΈ
Yes i understand. I know exactly what you were talking about. Rape is not good at all. I have had friends who had that experience. I am very protective of my girl friends. In fact that's how i make girl friends often. Being a 6'2" tall big guy like a big bear of a man can scare away many guys from girls who they are trying to take advantage of. Sometimes a girl might think i could do something like that until anyone of my other girl friends reveals my big heart. These other guys just don't make sense to me. And you are very right about rape being about control. It is often the result by these men who are brought up believing that they are superior over women. That they are merely property. They also treat other men that way too especially of other color. Or what they consider a lower class. It's just not right.
Very true!! Well said!!! teddy bear π bear, elephant you like your own traveling petting zoo ππ
Yeah. "Petting" zoo π
Right! π
Thank you!! I'm just tired of people spouting falsehoods as facts because some people are believing them, and it can actually cause harm to those that do
This was a really nice take. Valid points. Although i don't think many people here would take this into account cause most here are catfishes or pervs
Thanks! and yeah, if it really was a 17 year old female, there's so many fake accounts on here, then it's truly messed up... And yeah some guys got "triggered" by the false allegations myth/fact because it doesn't support the false claims they make on here all the time
Ofc that's expected. I mean when a woman talks about rape, they start with their statistics and try to prove it's men who are the actual victims due to some rape allegations and they say that one reason is what makes a woman's life is easy. Misogynists probably
Right! Even though it's not just women that get raped. Makes no sense, men who say people don't talk about makes who get raped, will be there same ones to just bring up women or false allegations. Yet there's boys and men that get raped too, as well as disabled and elderly, yet they rarely get mentioned either π€·πΌββοΈ